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M0nK3Y
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6/19/2016 12:29:06 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
...of their religion. It's their experience in nature, or with academia, that makes them intellectual; their religion has no part in thier intelligence, in fact religion is detrimental to their intelligence on the account it isn't useful.
Willows
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6/19/2016 12:51:14 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/19/2016 12:29:06 PM, M0nK3Y wrote:
...of their religion. It's their experience in nature, or with academia, that makes them intellectual; their religion has no part in thier intelligence, in fact religion is detrimental to their intelligence on the account it isn't useful.

I think that perhaps your logic is a bit flawed here.
For some people I think that religion can act as a catalyst enabling them to be more enlightened thus able to absorb relevant information.
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6/19/2016 2:42:47 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/19/2016 12:29:06 PM, M0nK3Y wrote:
...of their religion. It's their experience in nature, or with academia, that makes them intellectual; their religion has no part in thier intelligence, in fact religion is detrimental to their intelligence on the account it isn't useful.

I have to agree, though I think it has less to do with intelligence and more to do with the utter demolition of any critical thought and scepticism toward the religion you were born into, making people appear to be stupid.

You don't have to have an IQ below 90 to be brainwashed since childhood is basically what I'm saying.
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AWSM0055
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6/19/2016 2:44:45 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/19/2016 12:51:14 PM, Willows wrote:
At 6/19/2016 12:29:06 PM, M0nK3Y wrote:
...of their religion. It's their experience in nature, or with academia, that makes them intellectual; their religion has no part in thier intelligence, in fact religion is detrimental to their intelligence on the account it isn't useful.

I think that perhaps your logic is a bit flawed here.
For some people I think that religion can act as a catalyst enabling them to be more enlightened thus able to absorb relevant information.

Yeah sure, such as creationism, flat earthism, conspiracy theories and sky fairies.
"Evolution proves necessity is the mother of invention" - David Henson

"Calling my atheism a religion, is like calling my non-stamp-collecting a hobby" - MagicAintReal 2016

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Matt8800: "When warring men kidnap damsels of the enemy, what do they do?"

Jerry947: "They give them the option of marriage."

Matt8800: "Correct! You won idiot of the year award!"

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6/21/2016 9:45:04 PM
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No, Abraham Lincoln read the bible front to back and this actually strengthened his mind, and Ashkenazi Jews have 17 more I.Q. points than gentiles on average.
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6/21/2016 9:51:32 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/19/2016 12:29:06 PM, M0nK3Y wrote:
...of their religion. It's their experience in nature, or with academia, that makes them intellectual; their religion has no part in thier intelligence, in fact religion is detrimental to their intelligence on the account it isn't useful.

Thanks for a good laugh.
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6/21/2016 9:51:59 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
Super symmetry

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Binary code in the equations

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brontoraptor
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6/21/2016 9:53:49 PM
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Most geniuses are theists.

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bulproof
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6/22/2016 5:34:11 AM
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At 6/21/2016 9:53:49 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Most geniuses are theists.
And then there's you as a counterweight.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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6/22/2016 6:38:20 AM
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At 6/19/2016 12:29:06 PM, M0nK3Y wrote:
religion has no part in their intelligence
Monkey, we can measure the efficacy of intelligence in the adaptation to solving new problems, and we can measure its potential in the acquisition of effective knowledge and methods needed to do so.

If we were to divide the concerns of the world into the physical, social and psychological, I think it's fair to say that religious doctrine has offered virtually no useful physical intelligence: no reliable knowledge, no effective doctrinal methods, no great insights, no significant problems solved through revelation or worship. Although religion has stimulated investigations at times, pretty much every physical prediction or explanation has been made in error, and trying to verify and defend those predictions has wasted a lot of time of otherwise bright people, crippling them intellectually.

However, socially, religion has been very effective -- especially among hunter-gatherer and pre-industrial groups -- at building social cohesion and cooperation, and instituting law, even among people of disparate languages, governance and custom. I think social intelligence -- getting societies to scale effectively -- is perhaps the strongest of religion's achievements.

Psychologically though I think religion has been awful -- even worse than its performance on matters physical. Its social achievements have come largely at the psychological costs of frustration, anguish, cruelty, fear and disrespect, and it has been a tool of individual oppression, manipulation and deceit for its entire existence. It's hard to see that people will be more miserable and worse balanced when they're tormented less by clergy.

So we do seem smarter physically and psychologically without the doctrinal impediments of religion, and it's telling that in the developed world, most religious have abandoned the larger part of their physical and psychological doctrines in favour of better secular information. Many religious would still like to believe that religion is needed socially, but developed, democratic societies have spent some centuries now making religion optional, and to the extent that measures like peace, cooperation, prosperity and the reduction of violent crime are indications, I think we may be able to do without religion socially too.

But I wouldn't say that the religious aren't intelligent over all. Most religious are smart enough to use secular thought when it's kinder, more just and more reliable, and only a small proportion of atavistic hold-outs think life is better without.

So sure: the doctrinally devout are weaker at natural sciences and psychology because of the impediments of their ancient doctrines, but even they tend to have quite high social intelligence. Religion has been one of our most successful social institutions, and I wouldn't write any devout off as citizens, no matter how deluded and intellectually insular they might sometimes seem.