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Pandit
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6/27/2016 2:30:25 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
What do you make of the following :

Carvaka does not believe in any spiritual values. Of the four purusharthas or human
values, Carvaka rejects the two values of "Dharma" and "Moksha". Therefore, the
human effort is only for the attainment of sensual pleasure (kama) and wealth (artha),
which is the means to get pleasure. Briefly said, it is crude Hedonism. Carvaka is
aware that pleasure is often accompanied by pain. They say that no one throws the
grain because it has the husk. Does one stop plucking a rose because there is thorn;
does one stop eating fish because there is bone and scales? A wife or child who
creates heaven on earth, when they depart there is bound to be pain. But the life of
one with no love in his heart is also miserable and barren. Carvaka admits that there is
sorrow everywhere "in king"s palaces and beggar"s huts. Still this world of ours is not
full of misery.The amount of pleasure is greater than pain.If it were not so, why would
people desire to live and get frightened to die? It is important to enjoy the pleasure
and to avoid pain, which is invariably associated with it.We should not forego pleasure
for the fear of pain. According to Carvaka, one"s aim in life should be to get maximum
amount of pleasure. The advice is to make the best of a bad bargain, and to enjoy .


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PureX
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6/27/2016 6:59:14 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
The problem with this idea, that I see, is that it does not define pleasure or pain. And it is through the definition of these, I think, that we will find the greater wisdom, and the future of humanity.

For example, there are two causes of pain: that which is unavoidable, and that which is avoidable. Also, that which results from human choice, and that which results from circumstances beyond the realm of our control. And generally speaking, suffering caused by our own poor choices tends to be the more difficult to endure, as we know that this suffering was, is, or should have been avoidable. Such that we feel quilt, anger, resentment, humiliation and embarrassment along with suffering of the actual wound, itself.

Likewise, there are pleasures that come to us purely by happenstance, and pleasures that come to us through our own diligent effort. And there are pleasures that come to us freely and unentangled, while there are others that come to us because other people have suffered a loss on their behalf. And all these extenuating conditions can and will define the degree, and even the nature of our pleasure.

The point here, being, that to conceive of life in terms of pleasure and pain, as if these were elemental opposites, worthy of defining all human experience, would be very naive, indeed. Because pleasure and pain are just words indicating huge categories of human experience that are as complex and inter-related as they are conceptually opposed.

"Hedonism", then, is the ideology of the idiot, and the ignoramus. An ideology for people who choose not to think beyond the simplest levels of their own self-awareness. They reduce humanity to the intellectual and spiritual level a dumb animal. And as such I would consider hedonism a "retarded" philosophy, and hedonists to be intellectually and spiritually retarded human beings.

However, I would want to add that I have rarely, if ever, come across a human being that claimed or could be considered, purely, a hedonist. We all have hedonistic tendencies, but none of us, that I am aware of, have been singularly motivated by those hedonistic tendencies. In fact, I suspect that a pure hedonist would be labeled insane by the rest of us; perhaps as a 'severe narcissist' or a "chronic sociopath". We humans are complex intellectual creatures, and hedonism is too simple of an ideology to fully express that complexity.
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6/28/2016 12:33:08 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 2:30:25 PM, Pandit wrote:
What do you make of the following :

Carvaka does not believe in any spiritual values. Of the four purusharthas or human
values, Carvaka rejects the two values of "Dharma" and "Moksha". Therefore, the
human effort is only for the attainment of sensual pleasure (kama) and wealth (artha),
which is the means to get pleasure. Briefly said, it is crude Hedonism. Carvaka is
aware that pleasure is often accompanied by pain. They say that no one throws the
grain because it has the husk. Does one stop plucking a rose because there is thorn;
does one stop eating fish because there is bone and scales? A wife or child who
creates heaven on earth, when they depart there is bound to be pain. But the life of
one with no love in his heart is also miserable and barren. Carvaka admits that there is
sorrow everywhere "in king"s palaces and beggar"s huts. Still this world of ours is not
full of misery.The amount of pleasure is greater than pain.If it were not so, why would
people desire to live and get frightened to die? It is important to enjoy the pleasure
and to avoid pain, which is invariably associated with it.We should not forego pleasure
for the fear of pain. According to Carvaka, one"s aim in life should be to get maximum
amount of pleasure. The advice is to make the best of a bad bargain, and to enjoy .


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Pretty much the equivalent of western atheism/satanism/paganism. It's creation worship and is rooted in the denial of truth. People who adopt this mentality create great evil in the world, because they are easily bribed away from the truth by the lusts of the flesh.

This way of life tends to be very good for a lot of different types of business. People are encouraged to adopt this way of thinking, because in the minds of the elites, it makes it justifiable to do nasty acts of active and passive violent condemnation towards people.

Yes, it's really true. A corrupt and wicked country is just asking for calamity.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,