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RedAtheist912
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7/7/2016 9:35:45 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
God is a being that transcends reality, they say. Why can't we find God in the natural world? Because God is beyond it.

That is what many theists say when asked to produce evidence for God.

So, just to ask, do theists have some kind of supernatural ability, enabling them to reach out beyond our little planet, beyond all the stars and galaxies, reaching out to another dimension as to claim definitely that there is this other realm that an omniscient, omnipotent, metaphysical being exists?

How is it that being in a certain religion lets you know more about what is outside the universe than others who are not in a religion?
brontoraptor
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7/7/2016 3:48:38 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/7/2016 9:35:45 AM, RedAtheist912 wrote:
God is a btheists are smarter. eing that transcends reality, they say. Why can't we find God in the natural world? Because God is beyond it.

That is what many theists say when asked to produce evidence for God.

So, just to ask, do theists have some kind of supernatural ability, enabling them to reach out beyond our little planet, beyond all the stars and galaxies, reaching out to another dimension as to claim definitely that there is this other realm that an omniscient, omnipotent, metaphysical being exists?

How is it that being in a certain religion lets you know more about what is outside the universe than others who are not in a religion?

Theists are smarter. You asked.
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VirBinarus
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7/7/2016 4:15:13 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/7/2016 3:48:38 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/7/2016 9:35:45 AM, RedAtheist912 wrote:
God is a btheists are smarter. eing that transcends reality, they say. Why can't we find God in the natural world? Because God is beyond it.

That is what many theists say when asked to produce evidence for God.

So, just to ask, do theists have some kind of supernatural ability, enabling them to reach out beyond our little planet, beyond all the stars and galaxies, reaching out to another dimension as to claim definitely that there is this other realm that an omniscient, omnipotent, metaphysical being exists?

How is it that being in a certain religion lets you know more about what is outside the universe than others who are not in a religion?

Theists are smarter. You asked.

Being smart does not help you find God one bit. The only way we know about him is through him telling us about him, which is handily written down in the Bible.
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ethang5
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7/7/2016 5:50:10 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/7/2016 9:35:45 AM, RedAtheist912 wrote:
God is a being that transcends reality, they say. Why can't we find God in the natural world? Because God is beyond it.

That is what many theists say when asked to produce evidence for God.

So, just to ask, do theists have some kind of supernatural ability, enabling them to reach out beyond.....

No. But God does.

Jhn 14:18 - I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Jhn 14:21 - ...I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jhn 14:23 - If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
RuvDraba
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7/11/2016 11:16:00 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/7/2016 9:35:45 AM, RedAtheist912 wrote:
How is it that being in a certain religion lets you know more about what is outside the universe than others who are not in a religion?
And what is the quality of knowledge being claimed?

Is it the same as the knowledge required of a doctor before writing a prescription?

Is it really?

The knowledge of a doctor comes from extensive experiments by world-leading researchers, validated by an endless array of independent testing, the results assembled into courses meeting independently-reviewed national standards, studied by an academically distinguished candidate for years before being tested by professionals who swear to DO NO HARM with their knowledge -- nor let others do harm with false information.

That's the level of testing we expect before we'll let a GP write a prescription and risk giving us the wrong pill.

So what level of testing is appropriate for people claiming to know how our life-choices affect all eternity?

Wrong pill: years of extensive experiment
Opinion about eternity: read a passage in a book written by an author the book itself often doesn't name.

Wrong pill: academically distinguished candidate undergoing years of extensive examination
Opinion about eternity: average guy read a book and decided he wanted a job telling others what was in it

If an average Joe started prescribing pills on the conviction that he was 'called' to do so, yet knew nothing about how the pills were produced, had never seen them tested independently, wrote his prescriptions based on how good it made him feel to do so, and explained he knew they worked because a stranger told him so, would you take the pill, or spit it out?

If you'd spit it out, please spare a kind thought for atheists who do the same.
RedAtheist912
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7/11/2016 11:32:36 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 11:16:00 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 7/7/2016 9:35:45 AM, RedAtheist912 wrote:
How is it that being in a certain religion lets you know more about what is outside the universe than others who are not in a religion?
And what is the quality of knowledge being claimed?

Is it the same as the knowledge required of a doctor before writing a prescription?

Is it really?

The knowledge of a doctor comes from extensive experiments by world-leading researchers, validated by an endless array of independent testing, the results assembled into courses meeting independently-reviewed national standards, studied by an academically distinguished candidate for years before being tested by professionals who swear to DO NO HARM with their knowledge -- nor let others do harm with false information.

That's the level of testing we expect before we'll let a GP write a prescription and risk giving us the wrong pill.

So what level of testing is appropriate for people claiming to know how our life-choices affect all eternity?

Wrong pill: years of extensive experiment
Opinion about eternity: read a passage in a book written by an author the book itself often doesn't name.

Wrong pill: academically distinguished candidate undergoing years of extensive examination
Opinion about eternity: average guy read a book and decided he wanted a job telling others what was in it

If an average Joe started prescribing pills on the conviction that he was 'called' to do so, yet knew nothing about how the pills were produced, had never seen them tested independently, wrote his prescriptions based on how good it made him feel to do so, and explained he knew they worked because a stranger told him so, would you take the pill, or spit it out?

If you'd spit it out, please spare a kind thought for atheists who do the same.

Well said