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janesix
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7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.
matt8800
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7/11/2016 3:21:12 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

No, I think most people that are Christian are so because their community and/or family is Christian. If they lived in Pakistan, they would be Muslim. They didn't choose their religion. The geography of their birth chose it for them.

The rest just comes along with the package.
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7/11/2016 4:18:52 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

Matt is correct. However it is certainly a seductive idea and must have been important in gaining converts in the early days of proto-christanity.
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7/11/2016 4:59:35 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

I think the idea that if you don't believe in Jesus, what ever you think believe that means you will be tortured in fire for eternity probably has something to do with it too.
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7/11/2016 10:21:29 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

So, the Muslims are offering a fantastic introductory offer....you get to sleep with 72 virgins which I think is pretty good (although the 72 virgins wouldn't think so)
desmac
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7/11/2016 10:45:14 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 10:21:29 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

So, the Muslims are offering a fantastic introductory offer....you get to sleep with 72 virgins which I think is pretty good (although the 72 virgins wouldn't think so)

Does this offer apply to female converts to Islam too?
Deb-8-A-Bull
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7/11/2016 10:49:49 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
A christian wouldn't open a suspicious email.
But a promise of afterlife accommodation, thier all for it.
Their so lucky their religion wasn't created yesterday.
Willows
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7/11/2016 10:51:57 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 10:45:14 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:21:29 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

So, the Muslims are offering a fantastic introductory offer....you get to sleep with 72 virgins which I think is pretty good (although the 72 virgins wouldn't think so)

Does this offer apply to female converts to Islam too?

For sure...so long as they are lesbians.
desmac
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7/11/2016 10:54:18 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 10:51:57 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:45:14 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:21:29 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

So, the Muslims are offering a fantastic introductory offer....you get to sleep with 72 virgins which I think is pretty good (although the 72 virgins wouldn't think so)

Does this offer apply to female converts to Islam too?

For sure...so long as they are lesbians.

They don't have to teach 72 virgin guys how to do it?
Harikrish
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7/11/2016 1:14:12 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 10:45:14 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:21:29 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

So, the Muslims are offering a fantastic introductory offer....you get to sleep with 72 virgins which I think is pretty good (although the 72 virgins wouldn't think so)

Does this offer apply to female converts to Islam too?

Why do you thing your wife converted you impotent fool.
desmac
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7/11/2016 1:41:57 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 1:14:12 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:45:14 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:21:29 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

So, the Muslims are offering a fantastic introductory offer....you get to sleep with 72 virgins which I think is pretty good (although the 72 virgins wouldn't think so)

Does this offer apply to female converts to Islam too?

Why do you thing your wife converted you impotent fool.

She hasn't mentioned a conversion, she does not pray 5 times a day, she does not wear a veil in public or a scarf and her diet still includes pork products. So whatever fantasies you have about her are wrong. Just as you always are.
Harikrish
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7/11/2016 1:46:32 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 1:41:57 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:14:12 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:45:14 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:21:29 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

So, the Muslims are offering a fantastic introductory offer....you get to sleep with 72 virgins which I think is pretty good (although the 72 virgins wouldn't think so)

Does this offer apply to female converts to Islam too?

Why do you thing your wife converted you impotent fool.

She hasn't mentioned a conversion, she does not pray 5 times a day, she does not wear a veil in public or a scarf and her diet still includes pork products. So whatever fantasies you have about her are wrong. Just as you always are.

Because she already found her 72 lovers you retard. Her wish has been fulfilled.
desmac
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7/11/2016 2:09:50 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 1:46:32 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:41:57 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:14:12 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:45:14 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:21:29 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

So, the Muslims are offering a fantastic introductory offer....you get to sleep with 72 virgins which I think is pretty good (although the 72 virgins wouldn't think so)

Does this offer apply to female converts to Islam too?

Why do you thing your wife converted you impotent fool.

She hasn't mentioned a conversion, she does not pray 5 times a day, she does not wear a veil in public or a scarf and her diet still includes pork products. So whatever fantasies you have about her are wrong. Just as you always are.

Because she already found her 72 lovers you retard. Her wish has been fulfilled.

That makes about the same amount of sense aes you usually do, IE none
Harikrish
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7/11/2016 2:30:43 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 2:09:50 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:46:32 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:41:57 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:14:12 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:45:14 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:21:29 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

So, the Muslims are offering a fantastic introductory offer....you get to sleep with 72 virgins which I think is pretty good (although the 72 virgins wouldn't think so)

Does this offer apply to female converts to Islam too?

Why do you thing your wife converted you impotent fool.

She hasn't mentioned a conversion, she does not pray 5 times a day, she does not wear a veil in public or a scarf and her diet still includes pork products. So whatever fantasies you have about her are wrong. Just as you always are.

Because she already found her 72 lovers you retard. Her wish has been fulfilled.

That makes about the same amount of sense aes you usually do, IE none
You are just trying to punish her by going after her grandchildren. She never told you about her conversion and you never asked her about the 72 different men in her life. Ignorance is bliss.
desmac
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7/11/2016 2:44:38 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 2:30:43 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:09:50 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:46:32 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:41:57 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:14:12 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:45:14 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:21:29 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

So, the Muslims are offering a fantastic introductory offer....you get to sleep with 72 virgins which I think is pretty good (although the 72 virgins wouldn't think so)

Does this offer apply to female converts to Islam too?

Why do you thing your wife converted you impotent fool.

She hasn't mentioned a conversion, she doesn't j not pray 5 times a day, she does not wear a veil in public or a scarf and her diet still includes pork products. So whatever fantasies you have about her are wrong. Just as you always are.

Because she already found her 72 lovers you retard. Her wish has been fulfilled.

That makes about the same amount of sense aes you usually do, IE none
You are just trying to punish her by going after her grandchildren. She never told you about her conversion and you never asked her about the 72 different men in her life. Ignorance is bliss.

Whatevva, troll.
Harikrish
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7/11/2016 5:24:26 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 2:44:38 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:30:43 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:09:50 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:46:32 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:41:57 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:14:12 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:45:14 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:21:29 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

So, the Muslims are offering a fantastic introductory offer....you get to sleep with 72 virgins which I think is pretty good (although the 72 virgins wouldn't think so)

Does this offer apply to female converts to Islam too?

Why do you thing your wife converted you impotent fool.

She hasn't mentioned a conversion, she doesn't j not pray 5 times a day, she does not wear a veil in public or a scarf and her diet still includes pork products. So whatever fantasies you have about her are wrong. Just as you always are.

Because she already found her 72 lovers you retard. Her wish has been fulfilled.

That makes about the same amount of sense aes you usually do, IE none
You are just trying to punish her by going after her grandchildren. She never told you about her conversion and you never asked her about the 72 different men in her life. Ignorance is bliss.

Whatevva, troll.
I wonder if the reason you harass Fatihah is because you suspect he converted your wife when she was 6 years old. He seems to know what your wife liked when she was 6.
desmac
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7/11/2016 5:33:05 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 5:24:26 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:44:38 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:30:43 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:09:50 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:46:32 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:41:57 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:14:12 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:45:14 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:21:29 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

So, the Muslims are offering a fantastic introductory offer....you get to sleep with 72 virgins which I think is pretty good (although the 72 virgins wouldn't think so)

Does this offer apply to female converts to Islam too?

Why do you thing your wife converted you impotent fool.

She hasn't mentioned a conversion, she doesn't j not pray 5 times a day, she does not wear a veil in public or a scarf and her diet still includes pork products. So whatever fantasies you have about her are wrong. Just as you always are.

Because she already found her 72 lovers you retard. Her wish has been fulfilled.

That makes about the same amount of sense aes you usually do, IE none
You are just trying to punish her by going after her grandchildren. She never told you about her conversion and you never asked her about the 72 different men in her life. Ignorance is bliss.

Whatevva, troll.
I wonder if the reason you harass Fatihah is because you suspect he converted your wife when she was 6 years old. He seems to know what your wife liked when she was 6.

Wattevva turns you on, troll.
Harikrish
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7/11/2016 7:40:19 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 5:33:05 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 5:24:26 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:44:38 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:30:43 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:09:50 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:46:32 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:41:57 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:14:12 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:45:14 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:21:29 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

So, the Muslims are offering a fantastic introductory offer....you get to sleep with 72 virgins which I think is pretty good (although the 72 virgins wouldn't think so)

Does this offer apply to female converts to Islam too?

Why do you thing your wife converted you impotent fool.

She hasn't mentioned a conversion, she doesn't j not pray 5 times a day, she does not wear a veil in public or a scarf and her diet still includes pork products. So whatever fantasies you have about her are wrong. Just as you always are.

Because she already found her 72 lovers you retard. Her wish has been fulfilled.

That makes about the same amount of sense aes you usually do, IE none
You are just trying to punish her by going after her grandchildren. She never told you about her conversion and you never asked her about the 72 different men in her life. Ignorance is bliss.

Whatevva, troll.
I wonder if the reason you harass Fatihah is because you suspect he converted your wife when she was 6 years old. He seems to know what your wife liked when she was 6.

Wattevva turns you on, troll.

Maybe that is why Fatihah cannot say it in public what your wife liked when she was 6. Why don't you keep that private between you two. Remember this is a religion forum.
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7/11/2016 7:46:09 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.
Um how does a Christian become Christian if they're already Christian?
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7/11/2016 8:25:18 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 7:40:19 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 5:33:05 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 5:24:26 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:44:38 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:30:43 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:09:50 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:46:32 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:41:57 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:14:12 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:45:14 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:21:29 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

So, the Muslims are offering a fantastic introductory offer....you get to sleep with 72 virgins which I think is pretty good (although the 72 virgins wouldn't think so)

Does this offer apply to female converts to Islam too?

Why do you thing your wife converted you impotent fool.

She hasn't mentioned a conversion, she doesn't j not pray 5 times a day, she does not wear a veil in public or a scarf and her diet still includes pork products. So whatever fantasies you have about her are wrong. Just as you always are.

Because she already found her 72 lovers you retard. Her wish has been fulfilled.

That makes about the same amount of sense aes you usually do, IE none
You are just trying to punish her by going after her grandchildren. She never told you about her conversion and you never asked her about the 72 different men in her life. Ignorance is bliss.

Whatevva, troll.
I wonder if the reason you harass Fatihah is because you suspect he converted your wife when she was 6 years old. He seems to know what your wife liked when she was 6.

Wattevva turns you on, troll.

Maybe that is why Fatihah cannot say it in public what your wife liked when she was 6. Why don't you keep that private between you two. Remember this is a religion forum.

Whatevva, troll.
Harikrish
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7/11/2016 8:38:55 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 8:25:18 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 7:40:19 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 5:33:05 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 5:24:26 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:44:38 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:30:43 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:09:50 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:46:32 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:41:57 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:14:12 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:45:14 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:21:29 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

So, the Muslims are offering a fantastic introductory offer....you get to sleep with 72 virgins which I think is pretty good (although the 72 virgins wouldn't think so)

Does this offer apply to female converts to Islam too?

Why do you thing your wife converted you impotent fool.

She hasn't mentioned a conversion, she doesn't j not pray 5 times a day, she does not wear a veil in public or a scarf and her diet still includes pork products. So whatever fantasies you have about her are wrong. Just as you always are.

Because she already found her 72 lovers you retard. Her wish has been fulfilled.

That makes about the same amount of sense aes you usually do, IE none
You are just trying to punish her by going after her grandchildren. She never told you about her conversion and you never asked her about the 72 different men in her life. Ignorance is bliss.

Whatevva, troll.
I wonder if the reason you harass Fatihah is because you suspect he converted your wife when she was 6 years old. He seems to know what your wife liked when she was 6.

Wattevva turns you on, troll.

Maybe that is why Fatihah cannot say it in public what your wife liked when she was 6. Why don't you keep that private between you two. Remember this is a religion forum.

Whatevva, troll.

In the meantime leave her grandchildren alone.
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7/11/2016 8:40:16 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus?

Interesting thing is that Bible says the condition is this:

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

It is free gift, but only for righteous. So there will be no evildoer in the heaven, don"t worry about that.
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7/11/2016 8:46:38 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 8:40:16 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus?

Interesting thing is that Bible says the condition is this:

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

It is free gift, but only for righteous. So there will be no evildoer in the heaven, don"t worry about that.
What is righteous?
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7/11/2016 8:48:23 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 8:38:55 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 8:25:18 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 7:40:19 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 5:33:05 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 5:24:26 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:44:38 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:30:43 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:09:50 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:46:32 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:41:57 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:14:12 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:45:14 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:21:29 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

So, the Muslims are offering a fantastic introductory offer....you get to sleep with 72 virgins which I think is pretty good (although the 72 virgins wouldn't think so)

Does this offer apply to female converts to Islam too?

Why do you thing your wife converted you impotent fool.

She hasn't mentioned a conversion, she doesn't j not pray 5 times a day, she does not wear a veil in public or a scarf and her diet still includes pork products. So whatever fantasies you have about her are wrong. Just as you always are.

Because she already found her 72 lovers you retard. Her wish has been fulfilled.

That makes about the same amount of sense aes you usually do, IE none
You are just trying to punish her by going after her grandchildren. She never told you about her conversion and you never asked her about the 72 different men in her life. Ignorance is bliss.

Whatevva, troll.
I wonder if the reason you harass Fatihah is because you suspect he converted your wife when she was 6 years old. He seems to know what your wife liked when she was 6.

Wattevva turns you on, troll.

Maybe that is why Fatihah cannot say it in public what your wife liked when she was 6. Why don't you keep that private between you two. Remember this is a religion forum.

Whatevva, troll.

In the meantime leave her grandchildren alone.

Whatevva turns you on, troll.
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7/11/2016 8:51:32 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 8:48:23 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 8:38:55 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 8:25:18 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 7:40:19 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 5:33:05 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 5:24:26 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:44:38 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:30:43 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:09:50 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:46:32 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:41:57 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 1:14:12 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:45:14 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:21:29 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

So, the Muslims are offering a fantastic introductory offer....you get to sleep with 72 virgins which I think is pretty good (although the 72 virgins wouldn't think so)

Does this offer apply to female converts to Islam too?

Why do you thing your wife converted you impotent fool.

She hasn't mentioned a conversion, she doesn't j not pray 5 times a day, she does not wear a veil in public or a scarf and her diet still includes pork products. So whatever fantasies you have about her are wrong. Just as you always are.

Because she already found her 72 lovers you retard. Her wish has been fulfilled.

That makes about the same amount of sense aes you usually do, IE none
You are just trying to punish her by going after her grandchildren. She never told you about her conversion and you never asked her about the 72 different men in her life. Ignorance is bliss.

Whatevva, troll.
I wonder if the reason you harass Fatihah is because you suspect he converted your wife when she was 6 years old. He seems to know what your wife liked when she was 6.

Wattevva turns you on, troll.

Maybe that is why Fatihah cannot say it in public what your wife liked when she was 6. Why don't you keep that private between you two. Remember this is a religion forum.

Whatevva, troll.

In the meantime leave her grandchildren alone.

Whatevva turns you on, troll.

Perverts like you turn us off.
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7/11/2016 9:04:36 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

If that is what most Christians become Christian for they will be extremely disappointed, because apart from a chosen few who, if they prove faithful go to heaven to rule alongside the Christ, the destiny of all mankind is perfect eternal human life on the restored earth post armageddon.

As the Bible teaches, the earth was made for man, ad man for the earth, heaven doesn't enter into the equation other than as the seat of the government that rules over all faithful Christians everywhere.

The teaching you describe is very much a part of Apostate, or false, Christianity.

Those of us who strive to be truly Christian do so as much for the sake of the entire human race, of which we are a part, as to please and show respect for our God and Creator, "the God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ", Jehovah.

In striving towards that dual goal we are working towards the fulfilment of what Christ described as the two most important commands in the Law.

You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart, your whole mind, and your whole being. (Deuteronomy 6:5), and You must love your fellow man as yourself (part of Leviticus 19:18).

Two 100% inseparable laws which cannot be fulfilled without also fulfilling the other also.

The inevitable reward for diligently working towards fulfilling them is being part of the global brotherhood that doing so creates, which will eventually be the only human society allowed to enjoy the restored earth.
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7/12/2016 11:49:11 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

Lol once again you seem to be clueless when it comes to Christian theology, which probably means most of your perceptions are here-say rather than reading and gathering for yourself. You seem to be always stuck on one particular theology over another and that is why it's easy to see you never really put any real time in this. You just repeat the same old straw men and misrepresentations.
Remember what I said about abiding? there is no "free pass", one has to abide in what they attain. To abide in something means to continue in, to stay in accordance with...in others words it's in present tense. Meaning you don't just believe a few beliefs or say a few words to obtain something. I'm not going to link this time, I want to make sure you actually read it the passage below clearly distinguishes your concern for you. To believe in Jesus means to abide in what He portrayed, all of it not just some of it, belief HAS to be accompanied by action for one is dead without the other. The moment one abandons abiding in that is the moment they lose what they received.
John 15
15 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

In other words there are no free rides Jane. I can take you deeper than this into scripture if you want.
Also, I can't speak for everyone but squeaking into Heaven is not the objective. Do you love any of your boyfriends just so you can get into their fine crib? Oh wait...don't answer that lol, you get the point. I love God not for what He has, I actually love HIM, not His stuff. I abide in God because I love God.
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7/12/2016 12:01:58 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/12/2016 11:49:11 AM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

Lol once again you seem to be clueless when it comes to Christian theology, which probably means most of your perceptions are here-say rather than reading and gathering for yourself. You seem to be always stuck on one particular theology over another and that is why it's easy to see you never really put any real time in this. You just repeat the same old straw men and misrepresentations.
Remember what I said about abiding? there is no "free pass", one has to abide in what they attain. To abide in something means to continue in, to stay in accordance with...in others words it's in present tense. Meaning you don't just believe a few beliefs or say a few words to obtain something. I'm not going to link this time, I want to make sure you actually read it the passage below clearly distinguishes your concern for you. To believe in Jesus means to abide in what He portrayed, all of it not just some of it, belief HAS to be accompanied by action for one is dead without the other. The moment one abandons abiding in that is the moment they lose what they received.
John 15
15 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.



In other words there are no free rides Jane. I can take you deeper than this into scripture if you want.
Also, I can't speak for everyone but squeaking into Heaven is not the objective. Do you love any of your boyfriends just so you can get into their fine crib? Oh wait...don't answer that lol, you get the point. I love God not for what He has, I actually love HIM, not His stuff. I abide in God because I love God.

Correction excuse me... you always seem stuck on one particular "doctrine", not theology, sorry. Why do you take only one irrational doctrine out of many and cling to it?? why not read the Gospels and epistles for yourself? that's the point anyway... for it to apply to yourself ,not them.
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7/12/2016 1:44:43 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 9:04:36 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

If that is what most Christians become Christian for they will be extremely disappointed, because apart from a chosen few who, if they prove faithful go to heaven to rule alongside the Christ, the destiny of all mankind is perfect eternal human life on the restored earth post armageddon.

The conditions on earth were never perfect Floods, earthquakes, droughts, pestilence etc. etc. If the earth was made perfect in the beginning,there would be no need for a makeover. Why are humans punished for Gods sloppy mistakes?
God stacked the odds against humans so they would not succeed. But humans are resilient and have come a long way without God's help.
It is those who still rely on God that are struggling. You are a good example. You cannot even keep your family together. 4 divorces and a fifth cheating wife.

1 Timothy 5:8 Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

1 Timothy 3:5 (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?)

As the Bible teaches, the earth was made for man, ad man for the earth, heaven doesn't enter into the equation other than as the seat of the government that rules over all faithful Christians everywhere.

The teaching you describe is very much a part of Apostate, or false, Christianity.

Those of us who strive to be truly Christian do so as much for the sake of the entire human race, of which we are a part, as to please and show respect for our God and Creator, "the God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ", Jehovah.

In striving towards that dual goal we are working towards the fulfilment of what Christ described as the two most important commands in the Law.

You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart, your whole mind, and your whole being. (Deuteronomy 6:5), and You must love your fellow man as yourself (part of Leviticus 19:18).

Two 100% inseparable laws which cannot be fulfilled without also fulfilling the other also.

The inevitable reward for diligently working towards fulfilling them is being part of the global brotherhood that doing so creates, which will eventually be the only human society allowed to enjoy the restored earth.
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7/12/2016 2:03:05 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 2:38:55 AM, janesix wrote:
Is this why most Christians become or stay Christian? The free pass into Heaven with the only requirement being belief in Jesus? No punishment for even the worst sins. I find the whole idea repugnant.

As a Catholic, I agree with you. Such a belief is completely unbiblical.
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