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The Heavenly line between bliss & bereavement

Axon85
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7/11/2016 4:24:02 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
The following question is directed at theists who believe in a literal heaven (a place of eternal bliss) and a literal hell (a place of eternal torment).

We are often told that one of the joys of heaven is the reunification with loved ones. However, within the traditional heaven/hell schemes of monotheism this won't always happen. Imagine the following scenario. A person awakes in front of the pearly gates. She rushes into heaven praising the name of God and calling the names of loved ones... only to find that her loved ones did not meet god's standards and have been cast into the lake of everlasting fire. How can this person now spend an eternity in bliss knowing that everyone she has ever loved and cared for will be subjected to the worst torment imaginable for all of eternity? Does god perform some sort of memory wipe or a "spiritual lobotomy" to sever one's emotional connection with these fallen souls? How could happiness be achieved under such circumstances?
VirBinarus
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7/12/2016 9:22:40 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 4:24:02 AM, Axon85 wrote:
The following question is directed at theists who believe in a literal heaven (a place of eternal bliss) and a literal hell (a place of eternal torment).

We are often told that one of the joys of heaven is the reunification with loved ones.

Firstly, one of the main reasons we are often told that is just as a comfort when we are grieving . A far, far greater joy, is just being with God. In fact, that is what makes heaven so good.

However, within the traditional heaven/hell schemes of monotheism this won't always happen. Imagine the following scenario. A person awakes in front of the pearly gates. She rushes into heaven praising the name of God and calling the names of loved ones... only to find that her loved ones did not meet god's standards and have been cast into the lake of everlasting fire. How can this person now spend an eternity in bliss knowing that everyone she has ever loved and cared for will be subjected to the worst torment imaginable for all of eternity?

Let's throw Luke 14:26 into the mix
"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple."

As a christian we should be kind to everyone round us, and treat them with respect, but hate the sin that almost defines humanity in this world. The day when humanity is free of sin, is a great victory.

Does god perform some sort of memory wipe or a "spiritual lobotomy" to sever one's emotional connection with these fallen souls?

nope

How could happiness be achieved under such circumstances?

Because God is there, with us. While it would be better if we could keep people, it is a great victory when sin is finally shut off into hell, and that is definitely something we can celebrate.
"Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing."
1 thessalonians, 5:11
Axon85
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7/13/2016 10:15:17 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/12/2016 9:22:40 PM, VirBinarus wrote:
At 7/11/2016 4:24:02 AM, Axon85 wrote:
The following question is directed at theists who believe in a literal heaven (a place of eternal bliss) and a literal hell (a place of eternal torment).

We are often told that one of the joys of heaven is the reunification with loved ones.

Firstly, one of the main reasons we are often told that is just as a comfort when we are grieving . A far, far greater joy, is just being with God. In fact, that is what makes heaven so good.

However, within the traditional heaven/hell schemes of monotheism this won't always happen. Imagine the following scenario. A person awakes in front of the pearly gates. She rushes into heaven praising the name of God and calling the names of loved ones... only to find that her loved ones did not meet god's standards and have been cast into the lake of everlasting fire. How can this person now spend an eternity in bliss knowing that everyone she has ever loved and cared for will be subjected to the worst torment imaginable for all of eternity?

Let's throw Luke 14:26 into the mix
"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple."

As a christian we should be kind to everyone round us, and treat them with respect, but hate the sin that almost defines humanity in this world. The day when humanity is free of sin, is a great victory.

Does god perform some sort of memory wipe or a "spiritual lobotomy" to sever one's emotional connection with these fallen souls?

nope

How could happiness be achieved under such circumstances?

Because God is there, with us. While it would be better if we could keep people, it is a great victory when sin is finally shut off into hell, and that is definitely something we can celebrate.

So would it be possible for a person in heaven to experience bereavement or depression? I have a difficult time imaging a mother frolicking around heaven whilst knowing that a beloved child is being hideously tortured... for eternity. Such happiness seems pathologically detached from anything I would consider human or humane.