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Atheist morality arguments are meaningless

brontoraptor
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7/11/2016 3:24:30 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
Why Atheist Morality Arguments are Meaningless-

(John 9:41)
Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

*

(1 John 1:8)
If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.

*

(Proverbs 20:9)
Who can say, "I have cleansed my heart, I am pure from my sin"?

*

(Proverbs 30:12)
There is a kind who is pure in his own eyes, Yet is not washed from his filthiness.

*

(1 John 1:10)
If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

*

(Galatians 5:4)
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

*

(Luke 18:9-14)
And He also told this parable to some people who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and viewed others with contempt: "Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. "The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: 'God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. read more.
'I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.' "But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, the sinner!' "I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."

*

(Matthew 21:31)
"Which of the two did what his father wanted?" "The first," they answered. Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.
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7/11/2016 3:37:27 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
Have you got any support for your stupid claim?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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7/11/2016 3:56:51 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 3:24:30 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Why Atheist Morality Arguments are Meaningless-

So your just going to close your ears to atheists arguments on morality.

Great way to keep one self in check by being open to challenge and revision.
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7/11/2016 4:01:29 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 3:56:51 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 7/11/2016 3:24:30 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Why Atheist Morality Arguments are Meaningless-

So your just going to close your ears to atheists arguments on morality.

Great way to keep one self in check by being open to challenge and revision.

Instead of doing your usual stick of bullsh*t, I dunno go learn something.

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Ramshutu
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7/11/2016 4:20:14 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 3:24:30 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Why Atheist Morality Arguments are Meaningless-

(John 9:41)
Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

*

(1 John 1:8)
If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.

*

(Proverbs 20:9)
Who can say, "I have cleansed my heart, I am pure from my sin"?

*

(Proverbs 30:12)
There is a kind who is pure in his own eyes, Yet is not washed from his filthiness.

*

(1 John 1:10)
If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

*

(Galatians 5:4)
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

*

(Luke 18:9-14)
And He also told this parable to some people who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and viewed others with contempt: "Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. "The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: 'God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. read more.
'I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.' "But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, the sinner!' "I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."

*

(Matthew 21:31)
"Which of the two did what his father wanted?" "The first," they answered. Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.

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7/11/2016 4:20:37 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 3:24:30 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Why Atheist Morality Arguments are Meaningless-

(John 9:41)
Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

*

(1 John 1:8)
If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.

*

(Proverbs 20:9)
Who can say, "I have cleansed my heart, I am pure from my sin"?

*

(Proverbs 30:12)
There is a kind who is pure in his own eyes, Yet is not washed from his filthiness.

*

(1 John 1:10)
If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

*

(Galatians 5:4)
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

*

(Luke 18:9-14)
And He also told this parable to some people who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and viewed others with contempt: "Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. "The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: 'God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. read more.
'I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.' "But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, the sinner!' "I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."

*

(Matthew 21:31)
"Which of the two did what his father wanted?" "The first," they answered. Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.

Religionists need to get this through their thick heads: if you quote scripture to an atheist it is as if you had said nothing at all. They don't care what is in your old book.
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7/11/2016 4:22:24 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 3:37:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
Have you got any support for your stupid claim?

Of course he has. His ladybird book of scriptural nonsense.
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7/11/2016 5:33:23 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 3:24:30 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Why Atheist Morality Arguments are Meaningless-

(John 9:41)
Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

*

(1 John 1:8)
If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.

*

(Proverbs 20:9)
Who can say, "I have cleansed my heart, I am pure from my sin"?

*

(Proverbs 30:12)
There is a kind who is pure in his own eyes, Yet is not washed from his filthiness.

*

(1 John 1:10)
If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

*

(Galatians 5:4)
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

*

(Luke 18:9-14)
And He also told this parable to some people who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and viewed others with contempt: "Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. "The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: 'God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. read more.
'I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.' "But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, the sinner!' "I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."

*

(Matthew 21:31)
"Which of the two did what his father wanted?" "The first," they answered. Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.

atheism doesn't make any claims about morality
RuvDraba
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7/11/2016 8:31:21 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 3:24:30 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Why Atheist Morality Arguments are Meaningless (to Bronto):

1) You cannot respect morality until you can respect the person;
2) Sanctimony respects no morality but its own;
3) Morality is the first target of vilification;
4) Hypocrisy lays its own failings at other doors;
5) Malignance is no friend to morality in the first place.
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7/11/2016 9:14:35 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 3:24:30 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Why Atheist Morality Arguments are Meaningless-

(John 9:41)
Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

*

(1 John 1:8)
If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.

*

(Proverbs 20:9)
Who can say, "I have cleansed my heart, I am pure from my sin"?

*

(Proverbs 30:12)
There is a kind who is pure in his own eyes, Yet is not washed from his filthiness.

*

(1 John 1:10)
If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

*

(Galatians 5:4)
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

*

(Luke 18:9-14)
And He also told this parable to some people who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and viewed others with contempt: "Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. "The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: 'God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. read more.
'I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.' "But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, the sinner!' "I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."

*

(Matthew 21:31)
"Which of the two did what his father wanted?" "The first," they answered. Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.

Are you humble bronto? Are you getting into heaven?
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7/11/2016 9:27:33 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
Really, anything that comes out of the mouth of someone who professes atheism might as well be arbitrary.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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7/11/2016 9:29:32 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 3:56:51 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 7/11/2016 3:24:30 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Why Atheist Morality Arguments are Meaningless-

So your just going to close your ears to atheists arguments on morality.

Great way to keep one self in check by being open to challenge and revision.

I have never seen an atheist make an argument for how their worldview of evolved pond scum can account for objective morality. Then again, I have never seen an atheist make an argument that they are nothing but determinist machines in their own worldview.
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7/11/2016 10:00:28 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 3:24:30 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Why Atheist Morality Arguments are Meaningless-

(John 9:41)
Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

*

(1 John 1:8)
If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.

*

(Proverbs 20:9)
Who can say, "I have cleansed my heart, I am pure from my sin"?

*

(Proverbs 30:12)
There is a kind who is pure in his own eyes, Yet is not washed from his filthiness.

*

(1 John 1:10)
If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

*

(Galatians 5:4)
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

*

(Luke 18:9-14)
And He also told this parable to some people who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and viewed others with contempt: "Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. "The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: 'God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. read more.
'I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.' "But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, the sinner!' "I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."

*

(Matthew 21:31)
"Which of the two did what his father wanted?" "The first," they answered. Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.

Most atheists understand morality comes from within, which is called a conscience. Not from a book of fairy tales.
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7/11/2016 10:44:47 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 9:29:32 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 7/11/2016 3:56:51 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 7/11/2016 3:24:30 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Why Atheist Morality Arguments are Meaningless-

So your just going to close your ears to atheists arguments on morality.

Great way to keep one self in check by being open to challenge and revision.

I have never seen an atheist make an argument for how their worldview of evolved pond scum can account for objective morality. Then again, I have never seen an atheist make an argument that they are nothing but determinist machines in their own worldview.

just gonna leave this here, http://www.debate.org...
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7/11/2016 10:46:06 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 9:29:32 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 7/11/2016 3:56:51 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 7/11/2016 3:24:30 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Why Atheist Morality Arguments are Meaningless-

So your just going to close your ears to atheists arguments on morality.

Great way to keep one self in check by being open to challenge and revision.

I have never seen an atheist make an argument for how their worldview of evolved pond scum can account for objective morality. Then again, I have never seen an atheist make an argument that they are nothing but determinist machines in their own worldview.

Also, look into Immanuel Kant's Categorical Imperative
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7/11/2016 11:12:55 PM
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If atheists were logical, they'd all be sociopaths. The ones who don't act like sociopaths must not be very good at critical thinking.
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7/11/2016 11:37:27 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 9:29:32 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 7/11/2016 3:56:51 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 7/11/2016 3:24:30 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Why Atheist Morality Arguments are Meaningless-

So your just going to close your ears to atheists arguments on morality.

Great way to keep one self in check by being open to challenge and revision.

I have never seen an atheist make an argument for how their worldview of evolved pond scum can account for objective morality. Then again, I have never seen an atheist make an argument that they are nothing but determinist machines in their own worldview.

I've never seen a theist prove that their gods exist.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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7/11/2016 11:40:59 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 11:12:55 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
If atheists were logical, they'd all be sociopaths. The ones who don't act like sociopaths must not be very good at critical thinking.
Critical thinking mentioned by a theist, more fantasy world stuph.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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7/12/2016 7:15:48 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 9:29:32 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 7/11/2016 3:56:51 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 7/11/2016 3:24:30 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Why Atheist Morality Arguments are Meaningless-

So your just going to close your ears to atheists arguments on morality.

Great way to keep one self in check by being open to challenge and revision.

I have never seen an atheist make an argument for how their worldview of evolved pond scum can account for objective morality. Then again, I have never seen an atheist make an argument that they are nothing but determinist machines in their own worldview.

How many sodomites have you executed, Vicey?
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7/12/2016 10:13:46 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
Most atheists understand morality comes from within, which is called a conscience. Not from a book of fairy tales.

Really? Prove this by, first, proving there exists a thing called a conscience; second, that you have one; third, that you morality comes from this; fouth, that this is a basis for morality and fifth, that the Bible is a book of "fairy tales"? Good luck. You may be the first to do so.
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7/12/2016 10:15:57 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/12/2016 10:13:46 AM, ViceRegent wrote:
Most atheists understand morality comes from within, which is called a conscience. Not from a book of fairy tales.

Really? Prove this by, first, proving there exists a thing called a conscience; second, that you have one; third, that you morality comes from this; fouth, that this is a basis for morality and fifth, that the Bible is a book of "fairy tales"? Good luck. You may be the first to do so.

Why do you disobey your god's commandments, Vicey?
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7/12/2016 10:20:40 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/12/2016 10:13:46 AM, ViceRegent wrote:
Most atheists understand morality comes from within, which is called a conscience. Not from a book of fairy tales.

Really? Prove this by, first, proving there exists a thing called a conscience; second, that you have one; third, that you morality comes from this; fouth, that this is a basis for morality and fifth, that the Bible is a book of "fairy tales"? Good luck. You may be the first to do so.

Really? You don't have a conscience?
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7/12/2016 12:06:43 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/12/2016 10:20:40 AM, janesix wrote:
At 7/12/2016 10:13:46 AM, ViceRegent wrote:
Most atheists understand morality comes from within, which is called a conscience. Not from a book of fairy tales.

Really? Prove this by, first, proving there exists a thing called a conscience; second, that you have one; third, that you morality comes from this; fouth, that this is a basis for morality and fifth, that the Bible is a book of "fairy tales"? Good luck. You may be the first to do so.

Really? You don't have a conscience?

It is hilarious that not a single atheist can prove anything they believe to be true. They always have to introduce red herrings and straw men. Such is the life of being mentally ill.
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7/12/2016 12:12:34 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/12/2016 12:06:43 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 7/12/2016 10:20:40 AM, janesix wrote:
At 7/12/2016 10:13:46 AM, ViceRegent wrote:
Most atheists understand morality comes from within, which is called a conscience. Not from a book of fairy tales.

Really? Prove this by, first, proving there exists a thing called a conscience; second, that you have one; third, that you morality comes from this; fouth, that this is a basis for morality and fifth, that the Bible is a book of "fairy tales"? Good luck. You may be the first to do so.

Really? You don't have a conscience?

It is hilarious that not a single atheist can prove anything they believe to be true. They always have to introduce red herrings and straw men. Such is the life of being mentally ill.

Is it moral to ignore the commands of your god, vicey?
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7/12/2016 1:59:48 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 3:24:30 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Why Atheist Morality Arguments are Meaningless-

(John 9:41)
Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

*

(1 John 1:8)
If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.

*

(Proverbs 20:9)
Who can say, "I have cleansed my heart, I am pure from my sin"?

*

(Proverbs 30:12)
There is a kind who is pure in his own eyes, Yet is not washed from his filthiness.

*

(1 John 1:10)
If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

*

(Galatians 5:4)
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

*

(Luke 18:9-14)
And He also told this parable to some people who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and viewed others with contempt: "Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. "The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: 'God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. read more.
'I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.' "But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, the sinner!' "I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."

*

(Matthew 21:31)
"Which of the two did what his father wanted?" "The first," they answered. Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.

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7/13/2016 1:39:51 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 11:40:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 7/11/2016 11:12:55 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
If atheists were logical, they'd all be sociopaths. The ones who don't act like sociopaths must not be very good at critical thinking.
Critical thinking mentioned by a theist, more fantasy world stuph.

You misspelled "stuff." It's only one syllable too. You must be an atheist.
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7/13/2016 7:49:29 AM
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At 7/13/2016 1:39:51 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 7/11/2016 11:40:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 7/11/2016 11:12:55 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
If atheists were logical, they'd all be sociopaths. The ones who don't act like sociopaths must not be very good at critical thinking.
Critical thinking mentioned by a theist, more fantasy world stuph.

You misspelled "stuff." It's only one syllable too. You must be an atheist.
Intentionally and you fell in, you must be a theist.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin