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7/14/2016 5:50:26 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 5:23:43 PM, UUU wrote:
Can there be a character of god or an Ideal Quality?

What would the method be to determine the character or qualities of a possible god?
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7/14/2016 5:51:57 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 5:23:43 PM, UUU wrote:
Can there be a character of god or an Ideal Quality?

Sure...why not?
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7/14/2016 5:53:07 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 5:50:26 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:23:43 PM, UUU wrote:
Can there be a character of god or an Ideal Quality?

What would the method be to determine the character or qualities of a possible god?

Observe it's principles of course. Since God is not a material object.
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7/14/2016 6:01:22 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 5:53:07 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:50:26 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:23:43 PM, UUU wrote:
Can there be a character of god or an Ideal Quality?

What would the method be to determine the character or qualities of a possible god?

Observe it's principles of course. Since God is not a material object.

What principals?

How would we attribute said principals to god?
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7/14/2016 6:04:01 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 6:01:22 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:53:07 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:50:26 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:23:43 PM, UUU wrote:
Can there be a character of god or an Ideal Quality?

What would the method be to determine the character or qualities of a possible god?

Observe it's principles of course. Since God is not a material object.

What principals?

How would we attribute said principals to god?
They get very confused.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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7/14/2016 6:04:57 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 6:01:22 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:53:07 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:50:26 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:23:43 PM, UUU wrote:
Can there be a character of god or an Ideal Quality?

What would the method be to determine the character or qualities of a possible god?

Observe it's principles of course. Since God is not a material object.

What principals?

Spiritual principles, the principles that govern the spiritual domain, God's "Kingdom" whatever you want to call it.


How would we attribute said principals to god?

God is the only one who could ordain them. They don't ordain themselves ya know...
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7/14/2016 6:05:33 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 6:04:01 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:01:22 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:53:07 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:50:26 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:23:43 PM, UUU wrote:
Can there be a character of god or an Ideal Quality?

What would the method be to determine the character or qualities of a possible god?

Observe it's principles of course. Since God is not a material object.

What principals?

How would we attribute said principals to god?
They get very confused.

Yes, atheists get very confused by simple things.
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7/14/2016 6:30:38 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 6:05:33 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:04:01 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:01:22 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:53:07 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:50:26 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:23:43 PM, UUU wrote:
Can there be a character of god or an Ideal Quality?

What would the method be to determine the character or qualities of a possible god?

Observe it's principles of course. Since God is not a material object.

What principals?

How would we attribute said principals to god?
They get very confused.

Yes, atheists get very confused by simple things.

Right.
Because Christianity would be a shinning example of lack of confusion, given that it is just one big denomination, not 33 000, and everyone absolutely agrees on what those alleged divine attributes are, and on everything else, as a matter of fact.

Christian condescendence is like hot air.
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7/14/2016 6:33:38 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 6:30:38 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:05:33 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:04:01 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:01:22 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:53:07 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:50:26 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:23:43 PM, UUU wrote:
Can there be a character of god or an Ideal Quality?

What would the method be to determine the character or qualities of a possible god?

Observe it's principles of course. Since God is not a material object.

What principals?

How would we attribute said principals to god?
They get very confused.

Yes, atheists get very confused by simple things.

Right.
Because Christianity would be a shinning example of lack of confusion, given that it is just one big denomination, not 33 000, and everyone absolutely agrees on what those alleged divine attributes are, and on everything else, as a matter of fact.

I'm not confused, "33 000 denominations" is irrelevant to scripture. Besides, what is wrong with variety to accommodate believers??? different strokes for different folks, who cares what they say about one another, that's not our business.

Christian condescendence is like hot air.

Can we be friends yet lol?
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7/14/2016 6:48:29 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 6:33:38 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:30:38 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:05:33 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:04:01 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:01:22 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:53:07 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:50:26 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:23:43 PM, UUU wrote:
Can there be a character of god or an Ideal Quality?

What would the method be to determine the character or qualities of a possible god?

Observe it's principles of course. Since God is not a material object.

What principals?

How would we attribute said principals to god?
They get very confused.

Yes, atheists get very confused by simple things.

Right.
Because Christianity would be a shinning example of lack of confusion, given that it is just one big denomination, not 33 000, and everyone absolutely agrees on what those alleged divine attributes are, and on everything else, as a matter of fact.

I'm not confused, "33 000 denominations" is irrelevant to scripture. Besides, what is wrong with variety to accommodate believers??? different strokes for different folks, who cares what they say about one another, that's not our business.


So Christianity is exactly like any other human belief that has branched out over the centuries? So it features the exact same degree of sectarian division one would expect from any other entirely human endeavour which has received no guidance whatsoever from the Holy Spirit?

Roger that.

Christian condescendence is like hot air.

Can we be friends yet lol?

There's a certain number of, let's call it that, discrepancies between the two of us that make a pint down the local pub an impossibility.
So sorry.
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7/14/2016 6:51:26 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 6:48:29 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:33:38 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:30:38 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:05:33 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:04:01 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:01:22 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:53:07 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:50:26 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:23:43 PM, UUU wrote:
Can there be a character of god or an Ideal Quality?

What would the method be to determine the character or qualities of a possible god?

Observe it's principles of course. Since God is not a material object.

What principals?

How would we attribute said principals to god?
They get very confused.

Yes, atheists get very confused by simple things.

Right.
Because Christianity would be a shinning example of lack of confusion, given that it is just one big denomination, not 33 000, and everyone absolutely agrees on what those alleged divine attributes are, and on everything else, as a matter of fact.

I'm not confused, "33 000 denominations" is irrelevant to scripture. Besides, what is wrong with variety to accommodate believers??? different strokes for different folks, who cares what they say about one another, that's not our business.


So Christianity is exactly like any other human belief that has branched out over the centuries? So it features the exact same degree of sectarian division one would expect from any other entirely human endeavour which has received no guidance whatsoever from the Holy Spirit?

No, people have branched out, scripture remains the same.


Roger that.

Christian condescendence is like hot air.

Can we be friends yet lol?

There's a certain number of, let's call it that, discrepancies between the two of us that make a pint down the local pub an impossibility.
So sorry.

Are you sure about that? alcohol is the only thing we could find common ground on? well, I may be willing to drink some beer with ya if that's all you need.
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7/14/2016 6:53:02 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 6:48:29 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:33:38 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:30:38 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:05:33 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:04:01 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:01:22 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:53:07 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:50:26 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:23:43 PM, UUU wrote:
Can there be a character of god or an Ideal Quality?

What would the method be to determine the character or qualities of a possible god?

Observe it's principles of course. Since God is not a material object.

What principals?

How would we attribute said principals to god?
They get very confused.

Yes, atheists get very confused by simple things.

Right.
Because Christianity would be a shinning example of lack of confusion, given that it is just one big denomination, not 33 000, and everyone absolutely agrees on what those alleged divine attributes are, and on everything else, as a matter of fact.

I'm not confused, "33 000 denominations" is irrelevant to scripture. Besides, what is wrong with variety to accommodate believers??? different strokes for different folks, who cares what they say about one another, that's not our business.


So Christianity is exactly like any other human belief that has branched out over the centuries? So it features the exact same degree of sectarian division one would expect from any other entirely human endeavour which has received no guidance whatsoever from the Holy Spirit?

Roger that.

Christian condescendence is like hot air.

Can we be friends yet lol?

There's a certain number of, let's call it that, discrepancies between the two of us that make a pint down the local pub an impossibility.
So sorry.

I happen to think we could be friends despite that, my beliefs should not dictate our friendship. Is that how you dictate friendships in reality??
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7/14/2016 6:53:38 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 6:51:26 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:48:29 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:33:38 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:30:38 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:05:33 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:04:01 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:01:22 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:53:07 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:50:26 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:23:43 PM, UUU wrote:
Can there be a character of god or an Ideal Quality?

What would the method be to determine the character or qualities of a possible god?

Observe it's principles of course. Since God is not a material object.

What principals?

How would we attribute said principals to god?
They get very confused.

Yes, atheists get very confused by simple things.

Right.
Because Christianity would be a shinning example of lack of confusion, given that it is just one big denomination, not 33 000, and everyone absolutely agrees on what those alleged divine attributes are, and on everything else, as a matter of fact.

I'm not confused, "33 000 denominations" is irrelevant to scripture. Besides, what is wrong with variety to accommodate believers??? different strokes for different folks, who cares what they say about one another, that's not our business.


So Christianity is exactly like any other human belief that has branched out over the centuries? So it features the exact same degree of sectarian division one would expect from any other entirely human endeavour which has received no guidance whatsoever from the Holy Spirit?

No, people have branched out, scripture remains the same.

And yet they all claim to adhere to that same scripture.
This is simply beyond hilarious.



Roger that.

Christian condescendence is like hot air.

Can we be friends yet lol?

There's a certain number of, let's call it that, discrepancies between the two of us that make a pint down the local pub an impossibility.
So sorry.

Are you sure about that? alcohol is the only thing we could find common ground on? well, I may be willing to drink some beer with ya if that's all you need.
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7/14/2016 6:54:45 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 6:53:38 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:51:26 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:48:29 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:33:38 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:30:38 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:05:33 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:04:01 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:01:22 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:53:07 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:50:26 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:23:43 PM, UUU wrote:
Can there be a character of god or an Ideal Quality?

What would the method be to determine the character or qualities of a possible god?

Observe it's principles of course. Since God is not a material object.

What principals?

How would we attribute said principals to god?
They get very confused.

Yes, atheists get very confused by simple things.

Right.
Because Christianity would be a shinning example of lack of confusion, given that it is just one big denomination, not 33 000, and everyone absolutely agrees on what those alleged divine attributes are, and on everything else, as a matter of fact.

I'm not confused, "33 000 denominations" is irrelevant to scripture. Besides, what is wrong with variety to accommodate believers??? different strokes for different folks, who cares what they say about one another, that's not our business.


So Christianity is exactly like any other human belief that has branched out over the centuries? So it features the exact same degree of sectarian division one would expect from any other entirely human endeavour which has received no guidance whatsoever from the Holy Spirit?

No, people have branched out, scripture remains the same.

And yet they all claim to adhere to that same scripture.

Why do you care? it's not about them, it's about you.

This is simply beyond hilarious.

Are you saying I'm funny lol?



Roger that.

Christian condescendence is like hot air.

Can we be friends yet lol?

There's a certain number of, let's call it that, discrepancies between the two of us that make a pint down the local pub an impossibility.
So sorry.

Are you sure about that? alcohol is the only thing we could find common ground on? well, I may be willing to drink some beer with ya if that's all you need.
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7/14/2016 7:06:07 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 6:53:38 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:51:26 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:48:29 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:33:38 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:30:38 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:05:33 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:04:01 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:01:22 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:53:07 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:50:26 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:23:43 PM, UUU wrote:
Can there be a character of god or an Ideal Quality?

What would the method be to determine the character or qualities of a possible god?

Observe it's principles of course. Since God is not a material object.

What principals?

How would we attribute said principals to god?
They get very confused.

Yes, atheists get very confused by simple things.

Right.
Because Christianity would be a shinning example of lack of confusion, given that it is just one big denomination, not 33 000, and everyone absolutely agrees on what those alleged divine attributes are, and on everything else, as a matter of fact.

I'm not confused, "33 000 denominations" is irrelevant to scripture. Besides, what is wrong with variety to accommodate believers??? different strokes for different folks, who cares what they say about one another, that's not our business.


So Christianity is exactly like any other human belief that has branched out over the centuries? So it features the exact same degree of sectarian division one would expect from any other entirely human endeavour which has received no guidance whatsoever from the Holy Spirit?

No, people have branched out, scripture remains the same.

And yet they all claim to adhere to that same scripture.
This is simply beyond hilarious.

What's so hard for you to comprehend about people's opinions not being relevant to scripture? doctrines, churches, opinions ect to not dictate scripture. And as a matter of fact the scripture supports unity within the church, there is to be no divisions. However, the scriptures don't get what they want, it only teaches what it wants.
Do you see the difference? denominations have no bearing on scripture, it's just opinions and preference.



Roger that.

Christian condescendence is like hot air.

Can we be friends yet lol?

There's a certain number of, let's call it that, discrepancies between the two of us that make a pint down the local pub an impossibility.
So sorry.

Are you sure about that? alcohol is the only thing we could find common ground on? well, I may be willing to drink some beer with ya if that's all you need.
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7/14/2016 7:13:42 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 7:06:07 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:53:38 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:51:26 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:48:29 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:33:38 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:30:38 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:05:33 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:04:01 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:01:22 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:53:07 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:50:26 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:23:43 PM, UUU wrote:
Can there be a character of god or an Ideal Quality?

What would the method be to determine the character or qualities of a possible god?

Observe it's principles of course. Since God is not a material object.

What principals?

How would we attribute said principals to god?
They get very confused.

Yes, atheists get very confused by simple things.

Right.
Because Christianity would be a shinning example of lack of confusion, given that it is just one big denomination, not 33 000, and everyone absolutely agrees on what those alleged divine attributes are, and on everything else, as a matter of fact.

I'm not confused, "33 000 denominations" is irrelevant to scripture. Besides, what is wrong with variety to accommodate believers??? different strokes for different folks, who cares what they say about one another, that's not our business.


So Christianity is exactly like any other human belief that has branched out over the centuries? So it features the exact same degree of sectarian division one would expect from any other entirely human endeavour which has received no guidance whatsoever from the Holy Spirit?

No, people have branched out, scripture remains the same.

And yet they all claim to adhere to that same scripture.
This is simply beyond hilarious.

What's so hard for you to comprehend about people's opinions not being relevant to scripture? doctrines, churches, opinions ect to not dictate scripture. And as a matter of fact the scripture supports unity within the church, there is to be no divisions. However, the scriptures don't get what they want, it only teaches what it wants.
Do you see the difference? denominations have no bearing on scripture, it's just opinions and preference.

I've explained this to you a thousand times. You don't have to agree, really - though reasonability would certainly advise - but at least try to understand what I've so plainly stated.

All of this sectarianism doesn't surprise in the least. I am not surprised. It's exactly what I would have expected. I do however take it as a strong indication of absence of any divine guidance. If true, Christianity wouldn't fall short. It would be special and different from secular movements. In reality, it's only differently fragmented and especially atomized.




Roger that.

Christian condescendence is like hot air.

Can we be friends yet lol?

There's a certain number of, let's call it that, discrepancies between the two of us that make a pint down the local pub an impossibility.
So sorry.

Are you sure about that? alcohol is the only thing we could find common ground on? well, I may be willing to drink some beer with ya if that's all you need.
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7/14/2016 7:17:18 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 7:13:42 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/14/2016 7:06:07 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:53:38 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:51:26 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:48:29 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:33:38 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:30:38 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:05:33 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:04:01 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 7/14/2016 6:01:22 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:53:07 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:50:26 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 5:23:43 PM, UUU wrote:
Can there be a character of god or an Ideal Quality?

What would the method be to determine the character or qualities of a possible god?

Observe it's principles of course. Since God is not a material object.

What principals?

How would we attribute said principals to god?
They get very confused.

Yes, atheists get very confused by simple things.

Right.
Because Christianity would be a shinning example of lack of confusion, given that it is just one big denomination, not 33 000, and everyone absolutely agrees on what those alleged divine attributes are, and on everything else, as a matter of fact.

I'm not confused, "33 000 denominations" is irrelevant to scripture. Besides, what is wrong with variety to accommodate believers??? different strokes for different folks, who cares what they say about one another, that's not our business.


So Christianity is exactly like any other human belief that has branched out over the centuries? So it features the exact same degree of sectarian division one would expect from any other entirely human endeavour which has received no guidance whatsoever from the Holy Spirit?

No, people have branched out, scripture remains the same.

And yet they all claim to adhere to that same scripture.
This is simply beyond hilarious.

What's so hard for you to comprehend about people's opinions not being relevant to scripture? doctrines, churches, opinions ect to not dictate scripture. And as a matter of fact the scripture supports unity within the church, there is to be no divisions. However, the scriptures don't get what they want, it only teaches what it wants.
Do you see the difference? denominations have no bearing on scripture, it's just opinions and preference.

I've explained this to you a thousand times. You don't have to agree, really - though reasonability would certainly advise - but at least try to understand what I've so plainly stated.

What have you plainly stated that I missed or didn't understand? I think it's the other way around my friend.

All of this sectarianism doesn't surprise in the least. I am not surprised. It's exactly what I would have expected. I do however take it as a strong indication of absence of any divine guidance. If true, Christianity wouldn't fall short. It would be special and different from secular movements. In reality, it's only differently fragmented and especially atomized.

Christianity doesn't fall short, come on man, there is no indication of anything of what you have presented, make some sense please. Anyways, I'm not interested in everything being a war, can't we just talk rationally? you haven't given me much to work with yet.




Roger that.

Christian condescendence is like hot air.

Can we be friends yet lol?

There's a certain number of, let's call it that, discrepancies between the two of us that make a pint down the local pub an impossibility.
So sorry.

Are you sure about that? alcohol is the only thing we could find common ground on? well, I may be willing to drink some beer with ya if that's all you need.