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7/15/2016 12:26:36 AM
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It is the worst of cases when a person who is supposedly in charge of a child's morality abuses that child in a completely immoral manner.

The latest exposure is the Jewish religion in Australia, with one long serving rabbi answering the question "Did you know that it was wrong to handle a child's genitalia, who was in your care." The answer "Not at the time, I didn't, No."

Charges have been recommended.

Catholics priests who have spent the major part of their missionary life molesting your children are now jailed, and are continuing to be jailed. The excuse that "A few bad eggs cannot bring the church into disrepute" is no longer worth mentioning as the number increase each day, from a few to many, world wide.

Although the JWs were investigated for their Biblical following of investigating child sexual abuse within the organisation by a Commission who did not understand he Bible's instruction on the matter, the Commission has not issued any recommendation for charges against the organisation. Changes were recommended, but not criminal charges.

The Boy Scouts movement has been shamed on this issue and charges have been laid.

The Salvation is "Sorry" for its involvement in abuse of children in its care. The case continues.

Muslims are religiously abusing young girls, and perpetrators are serving time in Australia.

There will be more, and IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration.
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7/15/2016 3:54:27 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/15/2016 12:26:36 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
It is the worst of cases when a person who is supposedly in charge of a child's morality abuses that child in a completely immoral manner.

The latest exposure is the Jewish religion in Australia, with one long serving rabbi answering the question "Did you know that it was wrong to handle a child's genitalia, who was in your care." The answer "Not at the time, I didn't, No."

Charges have been recommended.

Catholics priests who have spent the major part of their missionary life molesting your children are now jailed, and are continuing to be jailed. The excuse that "A few bad eggs cannot bring the church into disrepute" is no longer worth mentioning as the number increase each day, from a few to many, world wide.

Although the JWs were investigated for their Biblical following of investigating child sexual abuse within the organisation by a Commission who did not understand he Bible's instruction on the matter, the Commission has not issued any recommendation for charges against the organisation. Changes were recommended, but not criminal charges.

The Boy Scouts movement has been shamed on this issue and charges have been laid.

The Salvation is "Sorry" for its involvement in abuse of children in its care. The case continues.

Muslims are religiously abusing young girls, and perpetrators are serving time in Australia.

There will be more, and IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration.

A Good Tree doesn't produce Bad fruits, hence even the Botchtower, by their own fatal admission, is a BAD Tree -

Shocking as it is, even some who have been prominent in Jehovah's organization have succumbed to immoral practices, including homosexuality, wife swapping, and child molesting. It is to be noted, also, that during the past year, 36,638 individuals had to be disfellowshipped from the Christian congregation, the greater number of them for practicing immorality. (*** w86 1/1 13 Days Like "the Days of Noah" ***)
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7/15/2016 5:34:16 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/15/2016 12:26:36 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
It is the worst of cases when a person who is supposedly in charge of a child's morality abuses that child in a completely immoral manner.

The latest exposure is the Jewish religion in Australia, with one long serving rabbi answering the question "Did you know that it was wrong to handle a child's genitalia, who was in your care." The answer "Not at the time, I didn't, No."

Charges have been recommended.

Catholics priests who have spent the major part of their missionary life molesting your children are now jailed, and are continuing to be jailed. The excuse that "A few bad eggs cannot bring the church into disrepute" is no longer worth mentioning as the number increase each day, from a few to many, world wide.

Although the JWs were investigated for their Biblical following of investigating child sexual abuse within the organisation by a Commission who did not understand he Bible's instruction on the matter, the Commission has not issued any recommendation for charges against the organisation. Changes were recommended, but not criminal charges.

Non-criminal charges were recommended?
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7/15/2016 6:03:40 AM
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At 7/15/2016 5:34:16 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/15/2016 12:26:36 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
It is the worst of cases when a person who is supposedly in charge of a child's morality abuses that child in a completely immoral manner.

The latest exposure is the Jewish religion in Australia, with one long serving rabbi answering the question "Did you know that it was wrong to handle a child's genitalia, who was in your care." The answer "Not at the time, I didn't, No."

Charges have been recommended.


Catholics priests who have spent the major part of their missionary life molesting your children are now jailed, and are continuing to be jailed. The excuse that "A few bad eggs cannot bring the church into disrepute" is no longer worth mentioning as the number increase each day, from a few to many, world wide.

Although the JWs were investigated for their Biblical following of investigating child sexual abuse within the organisation by a Commission who did not understand the Bible's instruction on the matter, the Commission has not issued any recommendation for charges against the organisation. Changes were recommended, but not criminal charges.

Non-criminal charges were recommended?

ME: Please read!!! No criminal charges were recommended. As a matter of interest that Commission was pleased with the way that The JWs handled investigations, and of counseling the victim to take the matter to the Authorities.

After recent events here in Australia, I would think that The Department of Child Services (DOCS) deserve to be put before the Commission and properly investigated.

A Very young boy was murdered after a long history of violence by his father was ignored by DOCS. A sister of the mother, the grandmother and neighbors all reported the child's abuse up to 18 months before he was killed. It is under investigation now.
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7/15/2016 6:11:02 AM
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At 7/15/2016 3:54:27 AM, Composer wrote:
At 7/15/2016 12:26:36 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
It is the worst of cases when a person who is supposedly in charge of a child's morality abuses that child in a completely immoral manner.

The latest exposure is the Jewish religion in Australia, with one long serving rabbi answering the question "Did you know that it was wrong to handle a child's genitalia, who was in your care." The answer "Not at the time, I didn't, No."

Charges have been recommended.

Catholics priests who have spent the major part of their missionary life molesting your children are now jailed, and are continuing to be jailed. The excuse that "A few bad eggs cannot bring the church into disrepute" is no longer worth mentioning as the number increase each day, from a few to many, world wide.

Although the JWs were investigated for their Biblical following of investigating child sexual abuse within the organisation by a Commission who did not understand he Bible's instruction on the matter, the Commission has not issued any recommendation for charges against the organisation. Changes were recommended, but not criminal charges.

The Boy Scouts movement has been shamed on this issue and charges have been laid.

The Salvation Army is "Sorry" for its involvement in abuse of children in its care. The case continues.

Muslims are religiously abusing young girls, and perpetrators are serving time in Australia.

There will be more, and IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration.

A Good Tree doesn't produce Bad fruits, hence even the Botchtower, by their own fatal admission, is a BAD Tree -

Shocking as it is, even some who have been prominent in Jehovah's organization have succumbed to immoral practices, including homosexuality, wife swapping, and child molesting. It is to be noted, also, that during the past year, 36,638 individuals had to be disfellowshipped from the Christian congregation, the greater number of them for practicing immorality. (*** w86 1/1 13 Days Like "the Days of Noah" ***)

Virtually every Watchtower contains some kind of reference.
w861/1p.30Jehovah"SimplyGrand!

If we fully recognize him as being a Grand Instructor, we will not doubt or criticize the methods of instruction Jehovah"s "faithful and discreet slave" class is using today. Rather, we will support disciplinary actions that are sometimes necessary in instructing, and at the same time attempt to derive as much benefit as possible from the fine teaching aids God"s visible organization provides.

ME: You just prattle on, not an ounce of fact in anything you say.
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7/15/2016 6:11:10 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/15/2016 6:03:40 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 7/15/2016 5:34:16 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/15/2016 12:26:36 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
It is the worst of cases when a person who is supposedly in charge of a child's morality abuses that child in a completely immoral manner.

The latest exposure is the Jewish religion in Australia, with one long serving rabbi answering the question "Did you know that it was wrong to handle a child's genitalia, who was in your care." The answer "Not at the time, I didn't, No."

Charges have been recommended.



Catholics priests who have spent the major part of their missionary life molesting your children are now jailed, and are continuing to be jailed. The excuse that "A few bad eggs cannot bring the church into disrepute" is no longer worth mentioning as the number increase each day, from a few to many, world wide.

Although the JWs were investigated for their Biblical following of investigating child sexual abuse within the organisation by a Commission who did not understand the Bible's instruction on the matter, the Commission has not issued any recommendation for charges against the organisation. Changes were recommended, but not criminal charges.

Non-criminal charges were recommended?

ME: Please read!!! No criminal charges were recommended. As a matter of interest that Commission was pleased with the way that The JWs handled investigations, and of counseling the victim to take the matter to the Authorities.

After recent events here in Australia, I would think that The Department of Child Services (DOCS) deserve to be put before the Commission and properly investigated.

A Very young boy was murdered after a long history of violence by his father was ignored by DOCS. A sister of the mother, the grandmother and neighbors all reported the child's abuse up to 18 months before he was killed. It is under investigation now.

Soooooooo .... you have a bungling governmental system in Australia that doesn't work? Sounds like we banished some Democrats over there to run things.
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7/15/2016 6:31:02 AM
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At 7/15/2016 6:11:02 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
ME: You just prattle on, not an ounce of fact in anything you say.

Shocking as it is, even some who have been prominent in Jehovah's organization have succumbed to immoral practices, including homosexuality, wife swapping, and child molesting. It is to be noted, also, that during the past year, 36,638 individuals had to be disfellowshipped from the Christian congregation, the greater number of them for practicing immorality. (*** w86 1/1 13 Days Like "the Days of Noah" ***)

It is a fact they admitted they are internally corrupt!
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7/15/2016 6:57:44 AM
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At 7/15/2016 12:26:36 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
It is the worst of cases when a person who is supposedly in charge of a child's morality abuses that child in a completely immoral manner.

The latest exposure is the Jewish religion in Australia, with one long serving rabbi answering the question "Did you know that it was wrong to handle a child's genitalia, who was in your care." The answer "Not at the time, I didn't, No."

Charges have been recommended.

Catholics priests who have spent the major part of their missionary life molesting your children are now jailed, and are continuing to be jailed. The excuse that "A few bad eggs cannot bring the church into disrepute" is no longer worth mentioning as the number increase each day, from a few to many, world wide.

Although the JWs were investigated for their Biblical following of investigating child sexual abuse within the organisation by a Commission who did not understand he Bible's instruction on the matter, the Commission has not issued any recommendation for charges against the organisation. Changes were recommended, but not criminal charges.

The Boy Scouts movement has been shamed on this issue and charges have been laid.

The Salvation is "Sorry" for its involvement in abuse of children in its care. The case continues.

Muslims are religiously abusing young girls, and perpetrators are serving time in Australia.

There will be more, and IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration.

http://news.bbc.co.uk...
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7/15/2016 8:35:17 AM
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At 7/15/2016 12:26:36 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
It is the worst of cases when a person who is supposedly in charge of a child's morality abuses that child in a completely immoral manner.

I agree.

Although the JWs were investigated for their Biblical following of investigating child sexual abuse within the organisation by a Commission who did not understand he Bible's instruction on the matter, the Commission has not issued any recommendation for charges against the organisation. Changes were recommended, but not criminal charges.

That's a gross understatement, Peter. Just so we're clear on how severe the findings are, and how obdurate the JWs have been in ignoring them, I quote the following, bolding mine:
Counsel assisting the child sex abuse royal commission has made damning submissions of 77 potential findings regarding the Jehovah"s Witness organisation.

They include that the policy of shunning those who leave the organisation is in conflict with the belief that Jehovah God is a compassionate god.

In submissions published today, Angus Stewart SC said the Jehovah"s Witness organisation receives three to four reports of allegations of child sexual abuse each month and since 1950 the Jehovah"s Witness organisation has received allegations of child sexual abuse against 1006 of its members relating to at least 1800 victims.

He submitted in that period, the organisation has not reported a single allegation to the police or other authorities, even though 579 of those against whom allegations were made confessed to having committed child sexual abuse.

He submitted it was open for the commission to find that it is the policy and practice of the Jehovah"s Witness organisation in Australia not to report allegations of child sexual abuse to the police or other authorities unless required by law to do so.

"There is therefore an element of hypocrisy in the Jehovah"s Witness organisation claiming credit for having obtained clearances for working with children for its elders and ministerial servants, but at the same time not reporting the offences of its elders and ministerial servants which would prevent them from being able to obtain working with children clearance," Mr Stewart said.

Submissions by Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia rejected or amended almost all of the suggested findings.


-- The Australian Sep 1, 2015 [http://www.theaustralian.com.au...]

There will be more, and IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration.
That would be the UN which penned the 58 year-old Universal Declaration of Human Rights -- the first global expression of human dignity, including a right to freedom of religion, and which now has the effect of international law after all member nations have ratified at least one treaty, and 80% have ratified four or more?

That antireligious UN, Peter?

And who in the UN is proposing such a revolutionary change? Please name them.
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7/15/2016 9:15:36 AM
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At 7/15/2016 12:26:36 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
It is the worst of cases when a person who is supposedly in charge of a child's morality abuses that child in a completely immoral manner.

The latest exposure is the Jewish religion in Australia, with one long serving rabbi answering the question "Did you know that it was wrong to handle a child's genitalia, who was in your care." The answer "Not at the time, I didn't, No."

Charges have been recommended.

Catholics priests who have spent the major part of their missionary life molesting your children are now jailed, and are continuing to be jailed. The excuse that "A few bad eggs cannot bring the church into disrepute" is no longer worth mentioning as the number increase each day, from a few to many, world wide.

Although the JWs were investigated for their Biblical following of investigating child sexual abuse within the organisation by a Commission who did not understand he Bible's instruction on the matter, the Commission has not issued any recommendation for charges against the organisation. Changes were recommended, but not criminal charges.

The Boy Scouts movement has been shamed on this issue and charges have been laid.

The Salvation is "Sorry" for its involvement in abuse of children in its care. The case continues.

Muslims are religiously abusing young girls, and perpetrators are serving time in Australia.

There will be more, and IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration.

I think anyone interested in the JW movement would benefit from watching the Governing Body member's testimony made under oaf to the Royal Commission. Just because the Australian body might have deemed other organizations guilty to a higher degree, does not exempt the Jehovah's Witnesses.

The Two-witnesses rule is obviously crass with regard to paedophilia. It again shows just how inane some bible verses are and the degree of incompetence imbued in them as means to cope with contemporary life.

The JW is a repugnant malign cult. JW apologists who indulge in online proselytism act in open defiance of Governing Body's direct instructions and as such cover themselves under the veil of hypocrisy.
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7/15/2016 11:43:45 PM
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At 7/15/2016 9:15:36 AM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/15/2016 12:26:36 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
It is the worst of cases when a person who is supposedly in charge of a child's morality abuses that child in a completely immoral manner.

The latest exposure is the Jewish religion in Australia, with one long serving rabbi answering the question "Did you know that it was wrong to handle a child's genitalia, who was in your care." The answer "Not at the time, I didn't, No."

Charges have been recommended.

Catholics priests who have spent the major part of their missionary life molesting your children are now jailed, and are continuing to be jailed. The excuse that "A few bad eggs cannot bring the church into disrepute" is no longer worth mentioning as the number increase each day, from a few to many, world wide.

Although the JWs were investigated for their Biblical following of investigating child sexual abuse within the organisation by a Commission who did not understand he Bible's instruction on the matter, the Commission has not issued any recommendation for charges against the organisation. Changes were recommended, but not criminal charges.

The Boy Scouts movement has been shamed on this issue and charges have been laid.

The Salvation is "Sorry" for its involvement in abuse of children in its care. The case continues.

Muslims are religiously abusing young girls, and perpetrators are serving time in Australia.

There will be more, and IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration.

I think anyone interested in the JW movement would benefit from watching the Governing Body member's testimony made under oaf to the Royal Commission. Just because the Australian body might have deemed other organizations guilty to a higher degree, does not exempt the Jehovah's Witnesses.

ME: Right at this pint I leave you, as you have clearly iterated your Intelligence ....OAF! You are an absolute oaf.

The Two-witnesses rule is obviously crass with regard to paedophilia. It again shows just how inane some bible verses are and the degree of incompetence imbued in them as means to cope with contemporary life.

The JW is a repugnant malign cult. JW apologists who indulge in online proselytism act in open defiance of Governing Body's direct instructions and as such cover themselves under the veil of hypocrisy.
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7/15/2016 11:44:53 PM
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At 7/15/2016 11:43:45 PM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 7/15/2016 9:15:36 AM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/15/2016 12:26:36 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
It is the worst of cases when a person who is supposedly in charge of a child's morality abuses that child in a completely immoral manner.

The latest exposure is the Jewish religion in Australia, with one long serving rabbi answering the question "Did you know that it was wrong to handle a child's genitalia, who was in your care." The answer "Not at the time, I didn't, No."

Charges have been recommended.

Catholics priests who have spent the major part of their missionary life molesting your children are now jailed, and are continuing to be jailed. The excuse that "A few bad eggs cannot bring the church into disrepute" is no longer worth mentioning as the number increase each day, from a few to many, world wide.

Although the JWs were investigated for their Biblical following of investigating child sexual abuse within the organisation by a Commission who did not understand he Bible's instruction on the matter, the Commission has not issued any recommendation for charges against the organisation. Changes were recommended, but not criminal charges.

The Boy Scouts movement has been shamed on this issue and charges have been laid.

The Salvation is "Sorry" for its involvement in abuse of children in its care. The case continues.

Muslims are religiously abusing young girls, and perpetrators are serving time in Australia.

There will be more, and IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration.

I think anyone interested in the JW movement would benefit from watching the Governing Body member's testimony made under oaf to the Royal Commission. Just because the Australian body might have deemed other organizations guilty to a higher degree, does not exempt the Jehovah's Witnesses.

ME: Right at this point I leave you, as you have clearly iterated your Intelligence ....OAF! You are an absolute oaf.

The Two-witnesses rule is obviously crass with regard to paedophilia. It again shows just how inane some bible verses are and the degree of incompetence imbued in them as means to cope with contemporary life.

The JW is a repugnant malign cult. JW apologists who indulge in online proselytism act in open defiance of Governing Body's direct instructions and as such cover themselves under the veil of hypocrisy.
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7/16/2016 12:20:37 AM
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At 7/15/2016 8:35:17 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 7/15/2016 12:26:36 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
It is the worst of cases when a person who is supposedly in charge of a child's morality abuses that child in a completely immoral manner.

I agree.

Although the JWs were investigated for their Biblical following of investigating child sexual abuse within the organisation by a Commission who did not understand he Bible's instruction on the matter, the Commission has not issued any recommendation for charges against the organisation. Changes were recommended, but not criminal charges.

That's a gross understatement, Peter. Just so we're clear on how severe the findings are, and how obdurate the JWs have been in ignoring them, I quote the following, bolding mine:
Counsel assisting the child sex abuse royal commission has made damning submissions of 77 potential findings regarding the Jehovah"s Witness organisation.

They include that the policy of shunning those who leave the organisation is in conflict with the belief that Jehovah God is a compassionate god.

In submissions published today, Angus Stewart SC said the Jehovah"s Witness organisation receives three to four reports of allegations of child sexual abuse each month and since 1950 the Jehovah"s Witness organisation has received allegations of child sexual abuse against 1006 of its members relating to at least 1800 victims.

He submitted in that period, the organisation has not reported a single allegation to the police or other authorities, even though 579 of those against whom allegations were made confessed to having committed child sexual abuse.

ME: How many were reported to the police by the 'victim or the parents or guardian. The Jws would have made those recommendations to the 'victim' at the time they discussed the abuse with the persons involved. The JWs are not a law of the land authority adn if a perpetrator doesn't come to a hearing, they have no legal recourse to force that to happen.

He submitted it was open for the commission to find that it is the policy and practice of the Jehovah"s Witness organisation in Australia not to report allegations of child sexual abuse to the police or other authorities unless required by law to do so.

"There is therefore an element of hypocrisy in the Jehovah"s Witness organisation claiming credit for having obtained clearances for working with children for its elders and ministerial servants, but at the same time not reporting the offences of its elders and ministerial servants which would prevent them from being able to obtain working with children clearance," Mr Stewart said.

ME: Do you read this last quote as the hypocrisy because they do not report matters to the police? I would see that as a problem with the law, not the JWs. They are the most law abiding group of people in the world, and if everyone is so outraged that the organisation does not report sexual abuse to the law, then they should change the law and not expect the JWs to go against their scriptural beliefs.

Submissions by Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia rejected or amended almost all of the suggested findings.


ME: Everyone investigated at the Royal Commission has that right.

-- The Australian Sep 1, 2015 [http://www.theaustralian.com.au...]

ME: In all the cases I have quoted, is said that in the Jws case No Criminal Charges were proposed or recommended. For a person to have the ego to Judge Jehovah on his compassion is beyond any humans station in life.

I simply wrote the facts on the religions I looked at in regard to criminal charges. Child sexual abuse and immorality in general is high on the JWs list of things not tolerated. With something as serious as this subject, if there was any doubt as to if criminal charges should be laid, or recommend, the Commission has that right to make those recommendations. The matter is then sent to the DPP and if they believe they have legitimate cases of criminal negligence they can proceed into the law courts...This never happened with the Jw's. That is all I said, anything else is only scandal mongering. IMO

There will be more, and IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration.
That would be the UN which penned the 58 year-old Universal Declaration of Human Rights -- the first global expression of human dignity, including a right to freedom of religion, and which now has the effect of international law after all member nations have ratified at least one treaty, and 80% have ratified four or more?

ME: And there only five countries with the right of veto.

That antireligious UN, Peter?

ME: Read Revelation The beast will destroy the harlot that has been riding on its back, completely devouring it, eating up its fleshy parts...etc. I have not quoted word for word because you wont understand this prophecy without the ability to understand. Also in Revelation it states , They will do this because God will put it in their hearts to do so.

And who in the UN is proposing such a revolutionary change? Please name them.
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7/16/2016 1:32:59 AM
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At 7/15/2016 12:26:36 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
It is the worst of cases when a person who is supposedly in charge of a child's morality abuses that child in a completely immoral manner.

The latest exposure is the Jewish religion in Australia, with one long serving rabbi answering the question "Did you know that it was wrong to handle a child's genitalia, who was in your care." The answer "Not at the time, I didn't, No."

Charges have been recommended.

Catholics priests who have spent the major part of their missionary life molesting your children are now jailed, and are continuing to be jailed. The excuse that "A few bad eggs cannot bring the church into disrepute" is no longer worth mentioning as the number increase each day, from a few to many, world wide.

Although the JWs were investigated for their Biblical following of investigating child sexual abuse within the organisation by a Commission who did not understand he Bible's instruction on the matter, the Commission has not issued any recommendation for charges against the organisation. Changes were recommended, but not criminal charges.

The Boy Scouts movement has been shamed on this issue and charges have been laid.

The Salvation is "Sorry" for its involvement in abuse of children in its care. The case continues.

Muslims are religiously abusing young girls, and perpetrators are serving time in Australia.

There will be more, and IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration

2% of Catholic priests hardly condemns all of them, or the entire Church. To say otherwise requires bigotry.
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7/16/2016 3:53:15 AM
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At 7/16/2016 1:32:59 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/15/2016 12:26:36 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
It is the worst of cases when a person who is supposedly in charge of a child's morality abuses that child in a completely immoral manner.

The latest exposure is the Jewish religion in Australia, with one long serving rabbi answering the question "Did you know that it was wrong to handle a child's genitalia, who was in your care." The answer "Not at the time, I didn't, No."

Charges have been recommended.

Catholics priests who have spent the major part of their missionary life molesting your children are now jailed, and are continuing to be jailed. The excuse that "A few bad eggs cannot bring the church into disrepute" is no longer worth mentioning as the number increase each day, from a few to many, world wide.

Although the JWs were investigated for their Biblical following of investigating child sexual abuse within the organisation by a Commission who did not understand he Bible's instruction on the matter, the Commission has not issued any recommendation for charges against the organisation. Changes were recommended, but not criminal charges.

The Boy Scouts movement has been shamed on this issue and charges have been laid.

The Salvation is "Sorry" for its involvement in abuse of children in its care. The case continues.

Muslims are religiously abusing young girls, and perpetrators are serving time in Australia.

There will be more, and IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration

2% of Catholic priests hardly condemns all of them, or the entire Church. To say otherwise requires bigotry.

ME: I am going to say other wise, but I am not bigoted, as you will see from the figures from the Catholic Church itself.

The number of practicing priests in 2015 is recorded at 11,700. 2% is 234 must be just Australian figures.

The number of defrocked clergy last year for sexual abuse of children was 410,000 world wide. When do we start to say the Catholic Church is the most culpable religious organisation in regards to sexual abuse of Children?

Condemn the Jw's if you wish, but to call them the names some of you use is certainly lack of knowledge and down right bigotry

http://cara.georgetown.edu...

The information on this site comes from the Vatican, I have no doubt that some cases have not yet been investigated or reported. George Pell comes to mind.
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7/16/2016 4:13:30 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 3:53:15 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 7/16/2016 1:32:59 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/15/2016 12:26:36 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
It is the worst of cases when a person who is supposedly in charge of a child's morality abuses that child in a completely immoral manner.

The latest exposure is the Jewish religion in Australia, with one long serving rabbi answering the question "Did you know that it was wrong to handle a child's genitalia, who was in your care." The answer "Not at the time, I didn't, No."

Charges have been recommended.

Catholics priests who have spent the major part of their missionary life molesting your children are now jailed, and are continuing to be jailed. The excuse that "A few bad eggs cannot bring the church into disrepute" is no longer worth mentioning as the number increase each day, from a few to many, world wide.

Although the JWs were investigated for their Biblical following of investigating child sexual abuse within the organisation by a Commission who did not understand he Bible's instruction on the matter, the Commission has not issued any recommendation for charges against the organisation. Changes were recommended, but not criminal charges.

The Boy Scouts movement has been shamed on this issue and charges have been laid.

The Salvation is "Sorry" for its involvement in abuse of children in its care. The case continues.

Muslims are religiously abusing young girls, and perpetrators are serving time in Australia.

There will be more, and IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration

2% of Catholic priests hardly condemns all of them, or the entire Church. To say otherwise requires bigotry.

ME: I am going to say other wise, but I am not bigoted, as you will see from the figures from the Catholic Church itself.

The number of practicing priests in 2015 is recorded at 11,700. 2% is 234 must be just Australian figures.

The number of defrocked clergy last year for sexual abuse of children was 410,000 world wide. When do we start to say the Catholic Church is the most culpable religious organisation in regards to sexual abuse of Children?

Condemn the Jw's if you wish, but to call them the names some of you use is certainly lack of knowledge and down right bigotry

http://cara.georgetown.edu...

The information on this site comes from the Vatican, I have no doubt that some cases have not yet been investigated or reported. George Pell comes to mind.

Your 11,000 assumes retired priests cannot commit crimes or be arrested for previous crimes. Looks like my 2% figure is accurate.
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7/16/2016 7:11:35 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 12:20:37 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 7/15/2016 8:35:17 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
How many were reported to the police by the victim or the parents or guardian.
That information again: Since 1950 the Jehovah's Witness organisation has received allegations of child sexual abuse against 1006 of its members relating to at least 1800 victims. He submitted in that period, the organisation has not reported a single allegation to the police or other authorities even though 579 [...] confessed to having committed child sexual abuse.

You mean the JW parents or guardian of the JW kid looked after by JW staff? So you believe this is a false finding, Peter? The JWs reported these matters through the parents, but a conspiracy in the Royal Commission is reporting otherwise?

I would see that as a problem with the law, not the JWs.
False dichotomy: because self-regulation has failed miserably and spectacularly, the law will need to make JWs and other religious organisations accountable for not reporting a crime that decency would require JWs to report, and to which they'd already committed -- and which ordinary parents and citizens would report if they had reasonable suspicion, much less a confession.

Submissions by Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia rejected or amended almost all of the suggested findings.
Everyone investigated at the Royal Commission has that right.
Has the right to be unrepentant about their hypocrisy, and the expense of child safety?

IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration.
That would be the UN which penned the 58 year-old Universal Declaration of Human Rights -- the first global expression of human dignity, including a right to freedom of religion, and which now has the effect of international law after all member nations have ratified at least one treaty, and 80% have ratified four or more?
ME: And there only five countries with the right of veto.
That's the UN Security Council, not the General Assembly, and the treaties are ratified and the legislation already passed. Do you even research these matters?

That antireligious UN, Peter?
ME: Read Revelation
Because a book of prophecies you can't authenticate means you don't have to research your claims about the UN?

And who in the UN is proposing such a revolutionary change? Please name them.
No research, no answer.
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7/16/2016 7:32:00 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 4:13:30 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/16/2016 3:53:15 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 7/16/2016 1:32:59 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/15/2016 12:26:36 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
It is the worst of cases when a person who is supposedly in charge of a child's morality abuses that child in a completely immoral manner.

The latest exposure is the Jewish religion in Australia, with one long serving rabbi answering the question "Did you know that it was wrong to handle a child's genitalia, who was in your care." The answer "Not at the time, I didn't, No."

Charges have been recommended.

Catholics priests who have spent the major part of their missionary life molesting your children are now jailed, and are continuing to be jailed. The excuse that "A few bad eggs cannot bring the church into disrepute" is no longer worth mentioning as the number increase each day, from a few to many, world wide.

Although the JWs were investigated for their Biblical following of investigating child sexual abuse within the organisation by a Commission who did not understand he Bible's instruction on the matter, the Commission has not issued any recommendation for charges against the organisation. Changes were recommended, but not criminal charges.

The Boy Scouts movement has been shamed on this issue and charges have been laid.

The Salvation is "Sorry" for its involvement in abuse of children in its care. The case continues.

Muslims are religiously abusing young girls, and perpetrators are serving time in Australia.

There will be more, and IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration

2% of Catholic priests hardly condemns all of them, or the entire Church. To say otherwise requires bigotry.

ME: I am going to say other wise, but I am not bigoted, as you will see from the figures from the Catholic Church itself.

The number of practicing priests in 2015 is recorded at 11,700. 2% is 234 must be just Australian figures.

The number of defrocked clergy last year for sexual abuse of children was 410,000 world wide. When do we start to say the Catholic Church is the most culpable religious organisation in regards to sexual abuse of Children?

Condemn the Jw's if you wish, but to call them the names some of you use is certainly lack of knowledge and down right bigotry

http://cara.georgetown.edu...

The information on this site comes from the Vatican, I have no doubt that some cases have not yet been investigated or reported. George Pell comes to mind.

Your 11,000 assumes retired priests cannot commit crimes or be arrested for previous crimes. Looks like my 2% figure is accurate.

Great! Two pervy christian cults arguing over which does most to protect their child abusing high priests.
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7/16/2016 8:07:03 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/15/2016 12:26:36 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
It is the worst of cases when a person who is supposedly in charge of a child's morality abuses that child in a completely immoral manner.

The latest exposure is the Jewish religion in Australia, with one long serving rabbi answering the question "Did you know that it was wrong to handle a child's genitalia, who was in your care." The answer "Not at the time, I didn't, No."

Charges have been recommended.

Catholics priests who have spent the major part of their missionary life molesting your children are now jailed, and are continuing to be jailed. The excuse that "A few bad eggs cannot bring the church into disrepute" is no longer worth mentioning as the number increase each day, from a few to many, world wide.

Although the JWs were investigated for their Biblical following of investigating child sexual abuse within the organisation by a Commission who did not understand he Bible's instruction on the matter, the Commission has not issued any recommendation for charges against the organisation. Changes were recommended, but not criminal charges.

The Boy Scouts movement has been shamed on this issue and charges have been laid.

The Salvation is "Sorry" for its involvement in abuse of children in its care. The case continues.

Muslims are religiously abusing young girls, and perpetrators are serving time in Australia.

There will be more, and IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration.

What a HILARIOUS post coming from a member of an evil cult!
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7/16/2016 9:45:17 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 7:11:35 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 7/16/2016 12:20:37 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 7/15/2016 8:35:17 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
How many were reported to the police by the victim or the parents or guardian.
That information again: Since 1950 the Jehovah's Witness organisation has received allegations of child sexual abuse against 1006 of its members relating to at least 1800 victims. He submitted in that period, the organisation has not reported a single allegation to the police or other authorities even though 579 [...] confessed to having committed child sexual abuse.

You mean the JW parents or guardian of the JW kid looked after by JW staff? So you believe this is a false finding, Peter? The JWs reported these matters through the parents, but a conspiracy in the Royal Commission is reporting otherwise?

I would see that as a problem with the law, not the JWs.
False dichotomy: because self-regulation has failed miserably and spectacularly, the law will need to make JWs and other religious organisations accountable for not reporting a crime that decency would require JWs to report, and to which they'd already committed -- and which ordinary parents and citizens would report if they had reasonable suspicion, much less a confession.

Submissions by Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia rejected or amended almost all of the suggested findings.
Everyone investigated at the Royal Commission has that right.
Has the right to be unrepentant about their hypocrisy, and the expense of child safety?

ME: What gives you the pious right to make that judgment?

IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration.
That would be the UN which penned the 58 year-old Universal Declaration of Human Rights -- the first global expression of human dignity, including a right to freedom of religion, and which now has the effect of international law after all member nations have ratified at least one treaty, and 80% have ratified four or more?
ME: And there only five countries with the right of veto.
That's the UN Security Council, not the General Assembly, and the treaties are ratified and the legislation already passed. Do you even research these matters?

That antireligious UN, Peter?
ME: Read Revelation
Because a book of prophecies you can't authenticate means you don't have to research your claims about the UN?

And who in the UN is proposing such a revolutionary change? Please name them.
No research, no answer.
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7/16/2016 9:58:36 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 7:11:35 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 7/16/2016 12:20:37 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 7/15/2016 8:35:17 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
How many were reported to the police by the victim or the parents or guardian.
That information again: Since 1950 the Jehovah's Witness organisation has received allegations of child sexual abuse against 1006 of its members relating to at least 1800 victims. He submitted in that period, the organisation has not reported a single allegation to the police or other authorities even though 579 [...] confessed to having committed child sexual abuse.

You mean the JW parents or guardian of the JW kid looked after by JW staff? So you believe this is a false finding, Peter? The JWs reported these matters through the parents, but a conspiracy in the Royal Commission is reporting otherwise?

I would see that as a problem with the law, not the JWs.
False dichotomy: because self-regulation has failed miserably and spectacularly, the law will need to make JWs and other religious organisations accountable for not reporting a crime that decency would require JWs to report, and to which they'd already committed -- and which ordinary parents and citizens would report if they had reasonable suspicion, much less a confession.

Submissions by Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia rejected or amended almost all of the suggested findings.
Everyone investigated at the Royal Commission has that right.
Has the right to be unrepentant about their hypocrisy, and the expense of child safety?

IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration.
That would be the UN which penned the 58 year-old Universal Declaration of Human Rights -- the first global expression of human dignity, including a right to freedom of religion, and which now has the effect of international law after all member nations have ratified at least one treaty, and 80% have ratified four or more?
ME: And there only five countries with the right of veto.
That's the UN Security Council, not the General Assembly, and the treaties are ratified and the legislation already passed. Do you even research these matters?

ME: Do you ever think things through...It would logically be the Security Council that would have this vote. It would be for world peace proposals, But I do not know, as the Bible does not say the reason, just the fact that it will.

You are so busy nit-picking and avoiding answers yourself, you think that everyone else is of the same ilk.

That antireligious UN, Peter?
ME: Read Revelation
Because a book of prophecies you can't authenticate means you don't have to research your claims about the UN?

ME: Biblical writers of the time did not know that the UN would be called the UN, so it replaces it with the "Beast"...World governments, the "10 headed Beast of Revelation", but once again you do not think things through, you are hungry for the retort, pouncing like a vulture on the last scrap of a field mouse.

And who in the UN is proposing such a revolutionary change? Please name them.
No research, no answer.

ME: Do you wish me to embark of your style of answer where one becomes bogged down with meaningless words, thus avoiding an answer. At least I have been frugal with my verbosity...Try it, it's good for you.
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7/16/2016 10:43:37 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 9:58:36 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 7/16/2016 7:11:35 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 7/16/2016 12:20:37 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 7/15/2016 8:35:17 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
How many were reported to the police by the victim or the parents or guardian.
That information again: Since 1950 the Jehovah's Witness organisation has received allegations of child sexual abuse against 1006 of its members relating to at least 1800 victims. He submitted in that period, the organisation has not reported a single allegation to the police or other authorities even though 579 [...] confessed to having committed child sexual abuse.

You mean the JW parents or guardian of the JW kid looked after by JW staff? So you believe this is a false finding, Peter? The JWs reported these matters through the parents, but a conspiracy in the Royal Commission is reporting otherwise?

I would see that as a problem with the law, not the JWs.
False dichotomy: because self-regulation has failed miserably and spectacularly, the law will need to make JWs and other religious organisations accountable for not reporting a crime that decency would require JWs to report, and to which they'd already committed -- and which ordinary parents and citizens would report if they had reasonable suspicion, much less a confession.

Submissions by Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia rejected or amended almost all of the suggested findings.
Everyone investigated at the Royal Commission has that right.
Has the right to be unrepentant about their hypocrisy, and the expense of child safety?

IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration.
That would be the UN which penned the 58 year-old Universal Declaration of Human Rights -- the first global expression of human dignity, including a right to freedom of religion, and which now has the effect of international law after all member nations have ratified at least one treaty, and 80% have ratified four or more?
ME: And there only five countries with the right of veto.
That's the UN Security Council, not the General Assembly, and the treaties are ratified and the legislation already passed. Do you even research these matters?

ME: Do you ever think things through...It would logically be the Security Council that would have this vote. It would be for world peace proposals, But I do not know, as the Bible does not say the reason, just the fact that it will.

You are so busy nit-picking and avoiding answers yourself, you think that everyone else is of the same ilk.

That antireligious UN, Peter?
ME: Read Revelation
Because a book of prophecies you can't authenticate means you don't have to research your claims about the UN?

ME: Biblical writers of the time did not know that the UN would be called the UN, so it replaces it with the "Beast"...World governments, the "10 headed Beast of Revelation", but once again you do not think things through, you are hungry for the retort, pouncing like a vulture on the last scrap of a field mouse.

And who in the UN is proposing such a revolutionary change? Please name them.
No research, no answer.

ME: Do you wish me to embark of your style of answer where one becomes bogged down with meaningless words, thus avoiding an answer. At least I have been frugal with my verbosity...Try it, it's good for you.

Who wants to be bogged down with boring stuff like facts.
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7/16/2016 11:59:58 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 7:32:00 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/16/2016 4:13:30 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/16/2016 3:53:15 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 7/16/2016 1:32:59 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/15/2016 12:26:36 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
It is the worst of cases when a person who is supposedly in charge of a child's morality abuses that child in a completely immoral manner.

The latest exposure is the Jewish religion in Australia, with one long serving rabbi answering the question "Did you know that it was wrong to handle a child's genitalia, who was in your care." The answer "Not at the time, I didn't, No."

Charges have been recommended.

Catholics priests who have spent the major part of their missionary life molesting your children are now jailed, and are continuing to be jailed. The excuse that "A few bad eggs cannot bring the church into disrepute" is no longer worth mentioning as the number increase each day, from a few to many, world wide.

Although the JWs were investigated for their Biblical following of investigating child sexual abuse within the organisation by a Commission who did not understand he Bible's instruction on the matter, the Commission has not issued any recommendation for charges against the organisation. Changes were recommended, but not criminal charges.

The Boy Scouts movement has been shamed on this issue and charges have been laid.

The Salvation is "Sorry" for its involvement in abuse of children in its care. The case continues.

Muslims are religiously abusing young girls, and perpetrators are serving time in Australia.

There will be more, and IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration

2% of Catholic priests hardly condemns all of them, or the entire Church. To say otherwise requires bigotry.

ME: I am going to say other wise, but I am not bigoted, as you will see from the figures from the Catholic Church itself.

The number of practicing priests in 2015 is recorded at 11,700. 2% is 234 must be just Australian figures.

The number of defrocked clergy last year for sexual abuse of children was 410,000 world wide. When do we start to say the Catholic Church is the most culpable religious organisation in regards to sexual abuse of Children?

Condemn the Jw's if you wish, but to call them the names some of you use is certainly lack of knowledge and down right bigotry

http://cara.georgetown.edu...

The information on this site comes from the Vatican, I have no doubt that some cases have not yet been investigated or reported. George Pell comes to mind.

Your 11,000 assumes retired priests cannot commit crimes or be arrested for previous crimes. Looks like my 2% figure is accurate.

Great! Two pervy christian cults arguing over which does most to protect their child abusing high priests.

The subject of protection hasn't come up, so your argument falls flat on its face. Secondly, I wouldn't call a 2% membership enough to call the whole thing "pervy".
If that was the only issue, then vote moderation could be avoided more often, since a vote in which the voter does explain sufficiently how at least one point a debater made swung their vote, would be considered sufficient. -Airmax
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7/16/2016 12:19:42 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 11:59:58 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/16/2016 7:32:00 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/16/2016 4:13:30 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/16/2016 3:53:15 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 7/16/2016 1:32:59 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/15/2016 12:26:36 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
It is the worst of cases when a person who is supposedly in charge of a child's morality abuses that child in a completely immoral manner.

The latest exposure is the Jewish religion in Australia, with one long serving rabbi answering the question "Did you know that it was wrong to handle a child's genitalia, who was in your care." The answer "Not at the time, I didn't, No."

Charges have been recommended.

Catholics priests who have spent the major part of their missionary life molesting your children are now jailed, and are continuing to be jailed. The excuse that "A few bad eggs cannot bring the church into disrepute" is no longer worth mentioning as the number increase each day, from a few to many, world wide.

Although the JWs were investigated for their Biblical following of investigating child sexual abuse within the organisation by a Commission who did not understand he Bible's instruction on the matter, the Commission has not issued any recommendation for charges against the organisation. Changes were recommended, but not criminal charges.

The Boy Scouts movement has been shamed on this issue and charges have been laid.

The Salvation is "Sorry" for its involvement in abuse of children in its care. The case continues.

Muslims are religiously abusing young girls, and perpetrators are serving time in Australia.

There will be more, and IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration

2% of Catholic priests hardly condemns all of them, or the entire Church. To say otherwise requires bigotry.

ME: I am going to say other wise, but I am not bigoted, as you will see from the figures from the Catholic Church itself.

The number of practicing priests in 2015 is recorded at 11,700. 2% is 234 must be just Australian figures.

The number of defrocked clergy last year for sexual abuse of children was 410,000 world wide. When do we start to say the Catholic Church is the most culpable religious organisation in regards to sexual abuse of Children?

Condemn the Jw's if you wish, but to call them the names some of you use is certainly lack of knowledge and down right bigotry

http://cara.georgetown.edu...

The information on this site comes from the Vatican, I have no doubt that some cases have not yet been investigated or reported. George Pell comes to mind.

Your 11,000 assumes retired priests cannot commit crimes or be arrested for previous crimes. Looks like my 2% figure is accurate.

Great! Two pervy christian cults arguing over which does most to protect their child abusing high priests.

The subject of protection hasn't come up, so your argument falls flat on its face. Secondly, I wouldn't call a 2% membership enough to call the whole thing "pervy".

Keep on defending your pervy clergy.
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7/16/2016 12:24:55 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 12:19:42 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:59:58 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/16/2016 7:32:00 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/16/2016 4:13:30 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/16/2016 3:53:15 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 7/16/2016 1:32:59 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/15/2016 12:26:36 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
It is the worst of cases when a person who is supposedly in charge of a child's morality abuses that child in a completely immoral manner.

The latest exposure is the Jewish religion in Australia, with one long serving rabbi answering the question "Did you know that it was wrong to handle a child's genitalia, who was in your care." The answer "Not at the time, I didn't, No."

Charges have been recommended.

Catholics priests who have spent the major part of their missionary life molesting your children are now jailed, and are continuing to be jailed. The excuse that "A few bad eggs cannot bring the church into disrepute" is no longer worth mentioning as the number increase each day, from a few to many, world wide.

Although the JWs were investigated for their Biblical following of investigating child sexual abuse within the organisation by a Commission who did not understand he Bible's instruction on the matter, the Commission has not issued any recommendation for charges against the organisation. Changes were recommended, but not criminal charges.

The Boy Scouts movement has been shamed on this issue and charges have been laid.

The Salvation is "Sorry" for its involvement in abuse of children in its care. The case continues.

Muslims are religiously abusing young girls, and perpetrators are serving time in Australia.

There will be more, and IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration

2% of Catholic priests hardly condemns all of them, or the entire Church. To say otherwise requires bigotry.

ME: I am going to say other wise, but I am not bigoted, as you will see from the figures from the Catholic Church itself.

The number of practicing priests in 2015 is recorded at 11,700. 2% is 234 must be just Australian figures.

The number of defrocked clergy last year for sexual abuse of children was 410,000 world wide. When do we start to say the Catholic Church is the most culpable religious organisation in regards to sexual abuse of Children?

Condemn the Jw's if you wish, but to call them the names some of you use is certainly lack of knowledge and down right bigotry

http://cara.georgetown.edu...

The information on this site comes from the Vatican, I have no doubt that some cases have not yet been investigated or reported. George Pell comes to mind.

Your 11,000 assumes retired priests cannot commit crimes or be arrested for previous crimes. Looks like my 2% figure is accurate.

Great! Two pervy christian cults arguing over which does most to protect their child abusing high priests.

The subject of protection hasn't come up, so your argument falls flat on its face. Secondly, I wouldn't call a 2% membership enough to call the whole thing "pervy".

Keep on defending your pervy clergy.

Whatever. This conversation with you is over. Have a nice day.
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7/16/2016 12:36:50 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 12:24:55 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/16/2016 12:19:42 PM, desmac wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:59:58 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/16/2016 7:32:00 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/16/2016 4:13:30 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/16/2016 3:53:15 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 7/16/2016 1:32:59 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/15/2016 12:26:36 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
It is the worst of cases when a person who is supposedly in charge of a child's morality abuses that child in a completely immoral manner.

The latest exposure is the Jewish religion in Australia, with one long serving rabbi answering the question "Did you know that it was wrong to handle a child's genitalia, who was in your care." The answer "Not at the time, I didn't, No."

Charges have been recommended.

Catholics priests who have spent the major part of their missionary life molesting your children are now jailed, and are continuing to be jailed. The excuse that "A few bad eggs cannot bring the church into disrepute" is no longer worth mentioning as the number increase each day, from a few to many, world wide.

Although the JWs were investigated for their Biblical following of investigating child sexual abuse within the organisation by a Commission who did not understand he Bible's instruction on the matter, the Commission has not issued any recommendation for charges against the organisation. Changes were recommended, but not criminal charges.

The Boy Scouts movement has been shamed on this issue and charges have been laid.

The Salvation is "Sorry" for its involvement in abuse of children in its care. The case continues.

Muslims are religiously abusing young girls, and perpetrators are serving time in Australia.

There will be more, and IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration

2% of Catholic priests hardly condemns all of them, or the entire Church. To say otherwise requires bigotry.

ME: I am going to say other wise, but I am not bigoted, as you will see from the figures from the Catholic Church itself.

The number of practicing priests in 2015 is recorded at 11,700. 2% is 234 must be just Australian figures.

The number of defrocked clergy last year for sexual abuse of children was 410,000 world wide. When do we start to say the Catholic Church is the most culpable religious organisation in regards to sexual abuse of Children?

Condemn the Jw's if you wish, but to call them the names some of you use is certainly lack of knowledge and down right bigotry

http://cara.georgetown.edu...

The information on this site comes from the Vatican, I have no doubt that some cases have not yet been investigated or reported. George Pell comes to mind.

Your 11,000 assumes retired priests cannot commit crimes or be arrested for previous crimes. Looks like my 2% figure is accurate.

Great! Two pervy christian cults arguing over which does most to protect their child abusing high priests.

The subject of protection hasn't come up, so your argument falls flat on its face. Secondly, I wouldn't call a 2% membership enough to call the whole thing "pervy".

Keep on defending your pervy clergy.

Whatever. This conversation with you is over. Have a nice day.

Yippee. The liar runs again.
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7/16/2016 11:01:13 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/15/2016 11:43:45 PM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 7/15/2016 9:15:36 AM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/15/2016 12:26:36 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
It is the worst of cases when a person who is supposedly in charge of a child's morality abuses that child in a completely immoral manner.

The latest exposure is the Jewish religion in Australia, with one long serving rabbi answering the question "Did you know that it was wrong to handle a child's genitalia, who was in your care." The answer "Not at the time, I didn't, No."

Charges have been recommended.

Catholics priests who have spent the major part of their missionary life molesting your children are now jailed, and are continuing to be jailed. The excuse that "A few bad eggs cannot bring the church into disrepute" is no longer worth mentioning as the number increase each day, from a few to many, world wide.

Although the JWs were investigated for their Biblical following of investigating child sexual abuse within the organisation by a Commission who did not understand he Bible's instruction on the matter, the Commission has not issued any recommendation for charges against the organisation. Changes were recommended, but not criminal charges.

The Boy Scouts movement has been shamed on this issue and charges have been laid.

The Salvation is "Sorry" for its involvement in abuse of children in its care. The case continues.

Muslims are religiously abusing young girls, and perpetrators are serving time in Australia.

There will be more, and IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration.

I think anyone interested in the JW movement would benefit from watching the Governing Body member's testimony made under oaf to the Royal Commission. Just because the Australian body might have deemed other organizations guilty to a higher degree, does not exempt the Jehovah's Witnesses.

ME: Right at this pint I leave you, as you have clearly iterated your Intelligence ....OAF! You are an absolute oaf.

Says the inane JW apologist.

What I'm not, though, is a rationalizer of the actions of a paedophile-harbouring cult, like yourself. Notice the difference?


The Two-witnesses rule is obviously crass with regard to paedophilia. It again shows just how inane some bible verses are and the degree of incompetence imbued in them as means to cope with contemporary life.

The JW is a repugnant malign cult. JW apologists who indulge in online proselytism act in open defiance of Governing Body's direct instructions and as such cover themselves under the veil of hypocrisy.
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7/17/2016 9:43:18 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 10:43:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 7/16/2016 9:58:36 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 7/16/2016 7:11:35 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 7/16/2016 12:20:37 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 7/15/2016 8:35:17 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
How many were reported to the police by the victim or the parents or guardian.
That information again: Since 1950 the Jehovah's Witness organisation has received allegations of child sexual abuse against 1006 of its members relating to at least 1800 victims. He submitted in that period, the organisation has not reported a single allegation to the police or other authorities even though 579 [...] confessed to having committed child sexual abuse.

You mean the JW parents or guardian of the JW kid looked after by JW staff? So you believe this is a false finding, Peter? The JWs reported these matters through the parents, but a conspiracy in the Royal Commission is reporting otherwise?

I would see that as a problem with the law, not the JWs.
False dichotomy: because self-regulation has failed miserably and spectacularly, the law will need to make JWs and other religious organisations accountable for not reporting a crime that decency would require JWs to report, and to which they'd already committed -- and which ordinary parents and citizens would report if they had reasonable suspicion, much less a confession.

ME: Just what does the above mean? I suggested that the law make it law for any organisation to report sexual abuse...Actual or suspected. That would not stop t he organisation from investigating the matter first, but they would be compelled to report that a case is being investigated.

Submissions by Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia rejected or amended almost all of the suggested findings.
Everyone investigated at the Royal Commission has that right.
Has the right to be unrepentant about their hypocrisy, and the expense of child safety?

ME: YOU say that, not me.

IMO the thought that the UN will ban all religion soon, is starting to gain some consideration.
That would be the UN which penned the 58 year-old Universal Declaration of Human Rights -- the first global expression of human dignity, including a right to freedom of religion, and which now has the effect of international law after all member nations have ratified at least one treaty, and 80% have ratified four or more?
ME: And there only five countries with the right of veto.
That's the UN Security Council, not the General Assembly, and the treaties are ratified and the legislation already passed. Do you even research these matters?

ME: Do you ever think things through...It would logically be the Security Council that would have this vote. It would be for world peace proposals, But I do not know, as the Bible does not say the reason, just the fact that it will.

You are so busy nit-picking and avoiding answers yourself, you think that everyone else is of the same ilk.

That antireligious UN, Peter?

ME: Let me ask you a biblical question. Satan offered Jesus all the Kingdoms of the world if Jesus would do an act of abeyance to Satan. Now lwt's say that I will offer you the Sydney Harbour Bridge at no cost to you other than you tell the world how wonderful I am, what would you response be?

Would you say, you don't own the bridge, you can't offer it to me or anyone else..

However, let's say that I did have total ownership of he bridge, and you knew that as a fact, would you accept the offer, or would you reject it as you don't know how wonderful I really am lol? Or would you realize that if you accepted the offer you would be compromised beyond your purpose on earth.

Jesus did not choose the first option, as he knew that Satan did own and control all the kingdoms, governments of this world. Some religions have been in close affiliation with world government, even being the government as a religion. In all the systems of man's government, which one would you say it supported by Jehovah?

If you think that God supports man's attempt at running the world, why would he set up the Heavenly Kingdom and make Jesus the King.

God can destroy the world governments, and will along with all false religion, but it is necessary to have some of the attributes of the governments in tact until the time will come when they will be wiped out completely


ME: Read Revelation
Because a book of prophecies you can't authenticate means you don't have to research your claims about the UN?

ME: Biblical writers of the time did not know that the UN would be called the UN, so it replaces it with the "Beast"...World governments, the "10 headed Beast of Revelation", but once again you do not think things through, you are hungry for the retort, pouncing like a vulture on the last scrap of a field mouse.

And who in the UN is proposing such a revolutionary change? Please name them.
No research, no answer.

ME: Do you wish me to embark of your style of answer where one becomes bogged down with meaningless words, thus avoiding an answer. At least I have been frugal with my verbosity...Try it, it's good for you.

Who wants to be bogged down with boring stuff like facts.