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Cerebral_Narcissist
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12/24/2010 12:25:56 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Inspired by a recent video.

Try as I might I can not entirely reconcile myself to the (stereo?)typical atheist lack of respect for religion, or the claim that religion is ultimately to the detriment of mankind.

It is not simply a case that I dislike my atheism and that I harbour a desire for the sweet comfort of child like faith.

Simply, politeness and common sense encourages me to strive towards some respect for religion.

Why should I try to convince a little old lady that she will not find herself in a happy afterlife where she will be reunited with her late husband and favourite cat? Her views are of paramount importance to her, a source of comfort, and cause me no harm. Why on earth should I not at least affect the trappings of respect for that?

Should I really rally against the horrors of a anglican tea party with the same vehemence as a papal paedophile ring?
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12/24/2010 4:24:09 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
@ C_N

That's my take on it too. I will argue the veracity of a certain position within religion, but not necessarily rail against the religion itself.
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12/24/2010 4:48:32 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I completely agree with you. I would never go out of my way to try to take away something that brings comfort, hope and joy to a person.
rogue
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12/24/2010 8:40:31 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I don't think we should disrespect religious people. I think every human should be treated with respect. I would like them to question their faith. I wish the world was at least agnostic or open to God not being real. I think that organized religion is harmful to the world more than it is good.
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12/24/2010 10:26:07 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
we need to get rid of all these morals! these people who think they're happier cos they've religion, aren't. let's ask 'em again about how happy they were once we've found ourselves a bit of sense, have religion gone and opium dens and brothels everywhere. let's see what they say then.
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12/24/2010 10:38:02 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 10:26:07 PM, badger wrote:
we need to get rid of all these morals! these people who think they're happier cos they've religion, aren't. let's ask 'em again about how happy they were once we've found ourselves a bit of sense, have religion gone and opium dens and brothels everywhere. let's see what they say then.

That's the one of the least sensible things I've ever heard.
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Mirza
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12/24/2010 10:39:22 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 10:26:07 PM, badger wrote:
we need to get rid of all these morals! these people who think they're happier cos they've religion, aren't. let's ask 'em again about how happy they were once we've found ourselves a bit of sense, have religion gone and opium dens and brothels everywhere. let's see what they say then.
At least many of us don't find joy in intoxication where we behave like animals.
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12/24/2010 10:40:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 10:38:02 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:26:07 PM, badger wrote:
we need to get rid of all these morals! these people who think they're happier cos they've religion, aren't. let's ask 'em again about how happy they were once we've found ourselves a bit of sense, have religion gone and opium dens and brothels everywhere. let's see what they say then.

That's the one of the least sensible things I've ever heard.

how is it?
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wamba
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12/24/2010 10:42:12 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 10:39:22 PM, Mirza wrote:
I have never been drunk before and therefore have no concept of what I'm trying to discuss.

Oh ok.
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12/24/2010 10:49:14 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 10:45:09 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
I would definitely say that I'm a militant atheist.
Would militant atheists actually fight against religion/religious people in a physical sense?

No jesting please, thanks.
Cody_Franklin
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12/24/2010 10:51:29 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 10:49:14 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:45:09 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
I would definitely say that I'm a militant atheist.
Would militant atheists actually fight against religion/religious people in a physical sense?

No jesting please, thanks.

Nope. Our weapons of choice would be a microphone and, optionally, a podium and/or visual aid.

In fact, the only time that we would fight against the religious is if they specifically targeted us first. We would, of course, fight defensively, as any prudent person or group would.
Mirza
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12/24/2010 10:53:07 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 10:51:29 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:49:14 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:45:09 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
I would definitely say that I'm a militant atheist.
Would militant atheists actually fight against religion/religious people in a physical sense?

No jesting please, thanks.

Nope. Our weapons of choice would be a microphone and, optionally, a podium and/or visual aid.

In fact, the only time that we would fight against the religious is if they specifically targeted us first. We would, of course, fight defensively, as any prudent person or group would.
Good for you.
Korashk
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12/24/2010 10:53:15 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 10:49:14 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:45:09 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
I would definitely say that I'm a militant atheist.

Would militant atheists actually fight against religion/religious people in a physical sense?

That is far from the norm and a militant atheist would likely be ostracized from the rest of their militant atheist community for doing so (if said community existes) and would definitely be condemned for their actions by the atheist community at large.
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12/24/2010 10:53:30 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 10:51:29 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:49:14 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:45:09 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
I would definitely say that I'm a militant atheist.
Would militant atheists actually fight against religion/religious people in a physical sense?

No jesting please, thanks.

Nope. Our weapons of choice would be a microphone and, optionally, a podium and/or visual aid.

In fact, the only time that we would fight against the religious is if they specifically targeted us first. We would, of course, fight defensively, as any prudent person or group would.

i'm also one of those! just a lazy one...
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Cody_Franklin
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12/24/2010 10:54:10 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 10:53:07 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:51:29 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:49:14 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:45:09 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
I would definitely say that I'm a militant atheist.
Would militant atheists actually fight against religion/religious people in a physical sense?

No jesting please, thanks.

Nope. Our weapons of choice would be a microphone and, optionally, a podium and/or visual aid.

In fact, the only time that we would fight against the religious is if they specifically targeted us first. We would, of course, fight defensively, as any prudent person or group would.
Good for you.

http://www.ted.com...
badger
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12/24/2010 10:54:18 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 10:53:30 PM, badger wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:51:29 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:49:14 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:45:09 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
I would definitely say that I'm a militant atheist.
Would militant atheists actually fight against religion/religious people in a physical sense?

No jesting please, thanks.

Nope. Our weapons of choice would be a microphone and, optionally, a podium and/or visual aid.

In fact, the only time that we would fight against the religious is if they specifically targeted us first. We would, of course, fight defensively, as any prudent person or group would.

i'm also one of those! just a lazy one...

and my granny can believe whatever she wants to.
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Mirza
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12/24/2010 10:55:41 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 10:54:10 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:53:07 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:51:29 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:49:14 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:45:09 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
I would definitely say that I'm a militant atheist.
Would militant atheists actually fight against religion/religious people in a physical sense?

No jesting please, thanks.

Nope. Our weapons of choice would be a microphone and, optionally, a podium and/or visual aid.

In fact, the only time that we would fight against the religious is if they specifically targeted us first. We would, of course, fight defensively, as any prudent person or group would.
Good for you.

http://www.ted.com...
Thanks, but please refer to rather less hypocritical atheists, and some who are rather a tiny bit more humble.

As a side note, I am a militant Muslim!
badger
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12/24/2010 11:00:25 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 10:55:41 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:54:10 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:53:07 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:51:29 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:49:14 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:45:09 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
I would definitely say that I'm a militant atheist.
Would militant atheists actually fight against religion/religious people in a physical sense?

No jesting please, thanks.

Nope. Our weapons of choice would be a microphone and, optionally, a podium and/or visual aid.

In fact, the only time that we would fight against the religious is if they specifically targeted us first. We would, of course, fight defensively, as any prudent person or group would.
Good for you.

http://www.ted.com...
Thanks, but please refer to rather less hypocritical atheists, and some who are rather a tiny bit more humble.

As a side note, I am a militant Muslim!

oh you're fucked now.. there's probably some government fella on his way to where you live right now.. jason bourne kinda job.
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Cody_Franklin
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12/24/2010 11:02:01 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 10:55:41 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:54:10 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:53:07 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:51:29 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:49:14 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:45:09 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
I would definitely say that I'm a militant atheist.
Would militant atheists actually fight against religion/religious people in a physical sense?

No jesting please, thanks.

Nope. Our weapons of choice would be a microphone and, optionally, a podium and/or visual aid.

In fact, the only time that we would fight against the religious is if they specifically targeted us first. We would, of course, fight defensively, as any prudent person or group would.
Good for you.

http://www.ted.com...
Thanks, but please refer to rather less hypocritical atheists, and some who are rather a tiny bit more humble.

1. Hypocritical how?

2. Dawkins' character has no bearing on what his message is. Don't ad hominem him, seriously.

3. Even taking his character as being relevant, the fact that he isn't spinelessly tolerant doesn't mean he's hubristic. It just means that he's not going to bend over backwards not to upset anyone. I'd rather have his personality than that of a fumbling shyster.

As a side note, I am a militant Muslim!

Militant Muslims usually employ bombs and rifles, not microphones and PowerPoint.
belle
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12/24/2010 11:03:37 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 10:55:41 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:54:10 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:53:07 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:51:29 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:49:14 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/24/2010 10:45:09 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
I would definitely say that I'm a militant atheist.
Would militant atheists actually fight against religion/religious people in a physical sense?

No jesting please, thanks.

Nope. Our weapons of choice would be a microphone and, optionally, a podium and/or visual aid.

In fact, the only time that we would fight against the religious is if they specifically targeted us first. We would, of course, fight defensively, as any prudent person or group would.
Good for you.

http://www.ted.com...
Thanks, but please refer to rather less hypocritical atheists, and some who are rather a tiny bit more humble.

As a side note, I am a militant Muslim!

just curious, why do you think dawkins is a hypocrite?
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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12/24/2010 11:04:20 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 11:02:25 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/24/2010 11:01:14 PM, badger wrote:
we can curse :)

SERIOUSLY? :D

i tried to say i swear to fvck but it said no profanities :(
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Cody_Franklin
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12/24/2010 11:06:12 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 11:04:20 PM, badger wrote:
At 12/24/2010 11:02:25 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/24/2010 11:01:14 PM, badger wrote:
we can curse :)

SERIOUSLY? :D

i tried to say i swear to fvck but it said no profanities :(

Oh, yeah. I actually found out a long while ago that you can say "fucked". Apparently, that isn't blocked.
badger
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12/24/2010 11:06:57 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 11:06:12 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/24/2010 11:04:20 PM, badger wrote:
At 12/24/2010 11:02:25 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/24/2010 11:01:14 PM, badger wrote:
we can curse :)

SERIOUSLY? :D

i tried to say i swear to fvck but it said no profanities :(

Oh, yeah. I actually found out a long while ago that you can say "fucked". Apparently, that isn't blocked.

well i'll be fucked...
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Mirza
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12/24/2010 11:08:32 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 11:02:01 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
1. Hypocritical how?
He attacks what he doesn't know a tiny bit about, and if you question his own beliefs, he never lets anyone but himself define them. Hypocrisy. If he thinks he can make a point, let him confront people who will show him the truth of what he is lying about.

2. Dawkins' character has no bearing on what his message is. Don't ad hominem him, seriously.
His character is arrogant. If he thinks he can ridicule religious people who never ever harm him just because he disagrees with them, he can slap himself and be ashamed. Don't ad hominem him? What a deceit. I am kind toward him. People like him deserve far more attacks than you think.

3. Even taking his character as being relevant, the fact that he isn't spinelessly tolerant doesn't mean he's hubristic. It just means that he's not going to bend over backwards not to upset anyone. I'd rather have his personality than that of a fumbling shyster.
Doesn't matter, if he thinks he has a point to make and others should accept it, then he should also accept what others say. Does he think he is right? Please, you all "militant atheists" can call him or any other of the "four horsemen" to debate people who know what they are talking about, and we will see who is on the winning side. Do you know how much RD lies? It is such nonsense.

Militant Muslims usually employ bombs and rifles, not microphones and PowerPoint.
Thanks, you proved my point of argumentation.