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7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.
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7/16/2016 11:10:01 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?!
Jovian It's not working, all you do is prove your ignorance!

There is ZERO PROOF the world by accident, somehow all fell together perfectly! The odds of an accident creating all of the universe and you in it, cannot be fathomed.
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7/16/2016 11:12:13 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 11:10:01 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?!
Jovian It's not working, all you do is prove your ignorance!

There is ZERO PROOF the world by accident, somehow all fell together perfectly! The odds of an accident creating all of the universe and you in it, cannot be fathomed.

Is it perfect? I guess we watch passively when people choke on food then. Why thwart a perfect creation by saving their lives?
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7/16/2016 11:19:38 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Maybe god has a mean sense of humor.
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7/16/2016 11:23:21 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 11:12:13 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:10:01 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?!
Jovian It's not working, all you do is prove your ignorance!

There is ZERO PROOF the world by accident, somehow all fell together perfectly! The odds of an accident creating all of the universe and you in it, cannot be fathomed.

Is it perfect? I guess we watch passively when people choke on food then. Why thwart a perfect creation by saving their lives?

Why do we help a person having a heart attack? Whack-Oh!
Why do people bleed when cut...? A perfect God should not have made blood!!

FACT: All of man is corrupted!!! We live in a corrupted world!!! Adam the first "PERFECT" man made sure of that!
FACT: God made us with "Free Will" this means, you are capable of loving! You cannot love if you do not have "Free Will"! No one can force you to "love" not even God can! If he forced you (gave you a love potion) then your love would not be true love!

Jovian Adam the "PERFECT" man "Freely" chose not to love, thus he sinned! Man (Adam) brought corruption and death into God' perfect world!

God made us in his image... God is LOVE!

Only man can love! Dogs, cats, monkey, snake chicken snail pigs fly's etc cannot love, but they also cannot hate!
We are born corrupted because our Father Adam is corrupted, you cannot form perfection out of corrupted material!
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7/16/2016 11:37:19 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 11:23:21 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:12:13 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:10:01 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?!
Jovian It's not working, all you do is prove your ignorance!

There is ZERO PROOF the world by accident, somehow all fell together perfectly! The odds of an accident creating all of the universe and you in it, cannot be fathomed.

Is it perfect? I guess we watch passively when people choke on food then. Why thwart a perfect creation by saving their lives?

Why do we help a person having a heart attack? Whack-Oh!
Why do people bleed when cut...? A perfect God should not have made blood!!

FACT: All of man is corrupted!!! We live in a corrupted world!!! Adam the first "PERFECT" man made sure of that!

FACT: God made us with "Free Will" this means, you are capable of loving! You cannot love if you do not have "Free Will"! No one can force you to "love" not even God can! If he forced you (gave you a love potion) then your love would not be true love!

Jovian Adam the "PERFECT" man "Freely" chose not to love, thus he sinned! Man (Adam) brought corruption and death into God' perfect world!

God made us in his image... God is LOVE!

Only man can love! Dogs, cats, monkey, snake chicken snail pigs fly's etc cannot love, but they also cannot hate!
We are born corrupted because our Father Adam is corrupted, you cannot form perfection out of corrupted material!

Where is your proof of Adam having a non-chokable larynx? Do you have his skeleton somewhere? Where in the Bible is it specified about his larynx? And why should we be punished for what a distant ancestor did? Are you also supporting the North Korean prisoning system? In that country, if you get jailed, then your two upcoming generations become jailed too. In Christianity however, we are maaaaaaaaany generations after Adam.
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7/17/2016 1:18:22 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Yes, if it was to serve as an alternative to the vagina there really should have been provision for another means to breath. :-)
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7/17/2016 7:51:13 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 11:10:01 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?!
Jovian It's not working, all you do is prove your ignorance!

There is ZERO PROOF the world by accident, somehow all fell together perfectly! The odds of an accident creating all of the universe and you in it, cannot be fathomed.

That's right...who ever said the universe and or life were an accident? This is the number one invention by theists to have something to mock atheists over. There is ZERO, yes ZERO, but ZERO proof that the universe and life were created. If there is, please let me know and we can be both be rich.
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7/17/2016 7:53:52 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 7:51:13 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:10:01 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?!
Jovian It's not working, all you do is prove your ignorance!

There is ZERO PROOF the world by accident, somehow all fell together perfectly! The odds of an accident creating all of the universe and you in it, cannot be fathomed.

That's right...who ever said the universe and or life were an accident? This is the number one invention by theists to have something to mock atheists over. There is ZERO, yes ZERO, but ZERO proof that the universe and life were created. If there is, please let me know and we can be both be rich.

Explain bread?
Hitler- If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.

Stalin- Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas.

Machiavelli- It is better to be feared than loved, if you cannot be both.

Ivan the Terrible- "I will not see the destruction of the Christian converts who are loyal to me, and to my last breath I will fight for the Orthodox faith
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7/17/2016 9:32:48 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 7:53:52 AM, SJM wrote:
At 7/17/2016 7:51:13 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:10:01 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?!
Jovian It's not working, all you do is prove your ignorance!

There is ZERO PROOF the world by accident, somehow all fell together perfectly! The odds of an accident creating all of the universe and you in it, cannot be fathomed.

That's right...who ever said the universe and or life were an accident? This is the number one invention by theists to have something to mock atheists over. There is ZERO, yes ZERO, but ZERO proof that the universe and life were created. If there is, please let me know and we can be both be rich.

Explain bread?

Take grain (wheat usually) grind to flour, add water, (maybe add yeast and salt) heat resulting dough.
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7/17/2016 12:08:10 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 7:53:52 AM, SJM wrote:
At 7/17/2016 7:51:13 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:10:01 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?!
Jovian It's not working, all you do is prove your ignorance!

There is ZERO PROOF the world by accident, somehow all fell together perfectly! The odds of an accident creating all of the universe and you in it, cannot be fathomed.

That's right...who ever said the universe and or life were an accident? This is the number one invention by theists to have something to mock atheists over. There is ZERO, yes ZERO, but ZERO proof that the universe and life were created. If there is, please let me know and we can be both be rich.

Explain bread?

Currently there is $US1.3 million up for grabs for anyone who can prove the existence of God or any other spiritual being. So far nobody has claimed it.
So perhaps you could take some photos of God's footsteps where he was walking along one day with his arms full of rubble and accidentally tripped over and made the universe. Then you could photograph where he landed in a clay pit then flicked off the clay from his face which by chance hit the earth and coincidentally formed the shape of a man.
Message the photos to me and I will share you 60/40 ok?
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7/17/2016 12:25:01 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 12:08:10 PM, Willows wrote:
At 7/17/2016 7:53:52 AM, SJM wrote:
At 7/17/2016 7:51:13 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:10:01 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?!
Jovian It's not working, all you do is prove your ignorance!

There is ZERO PROOF the world by accident, somehow all fell together perfectly! The odds of an accident creating all of the universe and you in it, cannot be fathomed.

That's right...who ever said the universe and or life were an accident? This is the number one invention by theists to have something to mock atheists over. There is ZERO, yes ZERO, but ZERO proof that the universe and life were created. If there is, please let me know and we can be both be rich.

Explain bread?

Currently there is $US1.3 million up for grabs for anyone who can prove the existence of God or any other spiritual being. So far nobody has claimed it.
So perhaps you could take some photos of God's footsteps where he was walking along one day with his arms full of rubble and accidentally tripped over and made the universe. Then you could photograph where he landed in a clay pit then flicked off the clay from his face which by chance hit the earth and coincidentally formed the shape of a man.
Message the photos to me and I will share you 60/40 ok?

Are our feelings physical?
Hitler- If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.

Stalin- Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas.

Machiavelli- It is better to be feared than loved, if you cannot be both.

Ivan the Terrible- "I will not see the destruction of the Christian converts who are loyal to me, and to my last breath I will fight for the Orthodox faith
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7/17/2016 12:32:00 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 11:23:21 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:12:13 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:10:01 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?!
Jovian It's not working, all you do is prove your ignorance!

There is ZERO PROOF the world by accident, somehow all fell together perfectly! The odds of an accident creating all of the universe and you in it, cannot be fathomed.

Is it perfect? I guess we watch passively when people choke on food then. Why thwart a perfect creation by saving their lives?

Why do we help a person having a heart attack? Whack-Oh!
Why do people bleed when cut...? A perfect God should not have made blood!!

FACT: All of man is corrupted!!! We live in a corrupted world!!! Adam the first "PERFECT" man made sure of that!
FACT: God made us with "Free Will" this means, you are capable of loving! You cannot love if you do not have "Free Will"! No one can force you to "love" not even God can! If he forced you (gave you a love potion) then your love would not be true love!


How do you define free will?
Jovian Adam the "PERFECT" man "Freely" chose not to love, thus he sinned! Man (Adam) brought corruption and death into God' perfect world!

God made us in his image... God is LOVE!

Only man can love! Dogs, cats, monkey, snake chicken snail pigs fly's etc cannot love, but they also cannot hate!
We are born corrupted because our Father Adam is corrupted, you cannot form perfection out of corrupted material!
"This is the true horror of religion. It allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions, what only lunatics could believe on their own." Sam Harris
Life asked Death "Why do people love me but hate you?"
Death responded: "Because you are a beautiful lie, and I am the painful truth."
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7/17/2016 1:04:49 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 12:25:01 PM, SJM wrote:
At 7/17/2016 12:08:10 PM, Willows wrote:
At 7/17/2016 7:53:52 AM, SJM wrote:
At 7/17/2016 7:51:13 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:10:01 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?!
Jovian It's not working, all you do is prove your ignorance!

There is ZERO PROOF the world by accident, somehow all fell together perfectly! The odds of an accident creating all of the universe and you in it, cannot be fathomed.

That's right...who ever said the universe and or life were an accident? This is the number one invention by theists to have something to mock atheists over. There is ZERO, yes ZERO, but ZERO proof that the universe and life were created. If there is, please let me know and we can be both be rich.

Explain bread?

Currently there is $US1.3 million up for grabs for anyone who can prove the existence of God or any other spiritual being. So far nobody has claimed it.
So perhaps you could take some photos of God's footsteps where he was walking along one day with his arms full of rubble and accidentally tripped over and made the universe. Then you could photograph where he landed in a clay pit then flicked off the clay from his face which by chance hit the earth and coincidentally formed the shape of a man.
Message the photos to me and I will share you 60/40 ok?

Are our feelings physical?

I think it is a lobster on a telephone.
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7/17/2016 1:05:37 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 1:04:49 PM, Willows wrote:
At 7/17/2016 12:25:01 PM, SJM wrote:
At 7/17/2016 12:08:10 PM, Willows wrote:
At 7/17/2016 7:53:52 AM, SJM wrote:
At 7/17/2016 7:51:13 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:10:01 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?!
Jovian It's not working, all you do is prove your ignorance!

There is ZERO PROOF the world by accident, somehow all fell together perfectly! The odds of an accident creating all of the universe and you in it, cannot be fathomed.

That's right...who ever said the universe and or life were an accident? This is the number one invention by theists to have something to mock atheists over. There is ZERO, yes ZERO, but ZERO proof that the universe and life were created. If there is, please let me know and we can be both be rich.

Explain bread?

Currently there is $US1.3 million up for grabs for anyone who can prove the existence of God or any other spiritual being. So far nobody has claimed it.
So perhaps you could take some photos of God's footsteps where he was walking along one day with his arms full of rubble and accidentally tripped over and made the universe. Then you could photograph where he landed in a clay pit then flicked off the clay from his face which by chance hit the earth and coincidentally formed the shape of a man.
Message the photos to me and I will share you 60/40 ok?

Are our feelings physical?

I think it is a lobster on a telephone.

crap, nvm
Hitler- If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.

Stalin- Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas.

Machiavelli- It is better to be feared than loved, if you cannot be both.

Ivan the Terrible- "I will not see the destruction of the Christian converts who are loyal to me, and to my last breath I will fight for the Orthodox faith
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7/17/2016 11:20:09 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 7:51:13 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:10:01 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?!
Jovian It's not working, all you do is prove your ignorance!

There is ZERO PROOF the world by accident, somehow all fell together perfectly! The odds of an accident creating all of the universe and you in it, cannot be fathomed.

That's right...who ever said the universe and or life were an accident? This is the number one invention by theists to have something to mock atheists over. There is ZERO, yes ZERO, but ZERO proof that the universe and life were created. If there is, please let me know and we can be both be rich.

Proof there is a design... Man is to complex to be random.. proof enough for you?!
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7/17/2016 11:47:08 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 12:32:00 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:23:21 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:12:13 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:10:01 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?!
Jovian It's not working, all you do is prove your ignorance!

There is ZERO PROOF the world by accident, somehow all fell together perfectly! The odds of an accident creating all of the universe and you in it, cannot be fathomed.

Is it perfect? I guess we watch passively when people choke on food then. Why thwart a perfect creation by saving their lives?

Why do we help a person having a heart attack? Whack-Oh!
Why do people bleed when cut...? A perfect God should not have made blood!!

FACT: All of man is corrupted!!! We live in a corrupted world!!! Adam the first "PERFECT" man made sure of that!
FACT: God made us with "Free Will" this means, you are capable of loving! You cannot love if you do not have "Free Will"! No one can force you to "love" not even God can! If he forced you (gave you a love potion) then your love would not be true love!


How do you define free will?
Jovian Adam the "PERFECT" man "Freely" chose not to love, thus he sinned! Man (Adam) brought corruption and death into God' perfect world!

God made us in his image... God is LOVE!

Only man can love! Dogs, cats, monkey, snake chicken snail pigs fly's etc cannot love, but they also cannot hate!
We are born corrupted because our Father Adam is corrupted, you cannot form perfection out of corrupted material!

SamStevens good question.. How do you define free will?
First.. Man is made in God' image!
Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

Second .. God is LOVE!
1 John 4:16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

Third.. To obey God is to love God!
1 John 5:3 In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,

Forth.. Adam did not love God!
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die."

SamStevens no one can force you to love!!
THINK: 1) If I pay you eighteen dollars will you love me?! OR 2) If you refuse to love me I will punch you right in your face! FACT: Love must be freely given or it is not true love!! Even God cannot force anyone to love!!! IF..
SamStevens if God gave someone a pill or a potion to make them love then their love would NOT be true love!

THUS.....
Thus free will.... God had to allow man to have free will to make man in his image!!BUT....
SamStevens but, here is the clincher, with free will man has the option to hate!! Only man can hate or Love, all because man has free will!

Free Will gives man the choice as Adam made a choice to NOT love God. God removed Adam from the Garden because ONLY those with LOVE can be in heaven! God did not kill Adam; Adam died because he lost access to the Tree Of Life!
22 And the Lord God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

SamStevens Jesus the second Adam is "LIFE" come down from heaven, all who eat his will live forever!
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7/18/2016 2:02:01 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 12:32:00 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:23:21 PM, Dogknox wrote:
YOU THERE... Did you read post #17?
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7/18/2016 6:45:18 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 11:20:09 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/17/2016 7:51:13 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:10:01 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?!
Jovian It's not working, all you do is prove your ignorance!

There is ZERO PROOF the world by accident, somehow all fell together perfectly! The odds of an accident creating all of the universe and you in it, cannot be fathomed.

That's right...who ever said the universe and or life were an accident? This is the number one invention by theists to have something to mock atheists over. There is ZERO, yes ZERO, but ZERO proof that the universe and life were created. If there is, please let me know and we can be both be rich.

Proof there is a design... Man is to complex to be random.. proof enough for you?!
Complex in comparison to what?
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7/18/2016 11:14:25 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 11:20:09 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/17/2016 7:51:13 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:10:01 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?!
Jovian It's not working, all you do is prove your ignorance!

There is ZERO PROOF the world by accident, somehow all fell together perfectly! The odds of an accident creating all of the universe and you in it, cannot be fathomed.

That's right...who ever said the universe and or life were an accident? This is the number one invention by theists to have something to mock atheists over. There is ZERO, yes ZERO, but ZERO proof that the universe and life were created. If there is, please let me know and we can be both be rich.

Proof there is a design... Man is to complex to be random.. proof enough for you?!

That is not proof at all, it is an incorrect and illogical assertion.
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7/18/2016 12:10:43 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

oh really wow!! i thought there was big fart and all became into being...
Never fart near dog
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7/18/2016 10:46:48 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/18/2016 11:14:25 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/17/2016 11:20:09 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/17/2016 7:51:13 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:10:01 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?!
Jovian It's not working, all you do is prove your ignorance!

There is ZERO PROOF the world by accident, somehow all fell together perfectly! The odds of an accident creating all of the universe and you in it, cannot be fathomed.

That's right...who ever said the universe and or life were an accident? This is the number one invention by theists to have something to mock atheists over. There is ZERO, yes ZERO, but ZERO proof that the universe and life were created. If there is, please let me know and we can be both be rich.

Proof there is a design... Man is to complex to be random.. proof enough for you?!

That is not proof at all, it is an incorrect and illogical assertion.
Willows You are wrong: If the earth was without a moon, the distance of the moon from us or it's speed was different then we would not exist!
OR the distance form the sun is PERFECT one way or the other we would not be here! The tilt of the earth, the speed of rotation the speed around the sun, having large planets beyond the earth, water, and the exact amount of water, Antarctica at the pole.. etc etc.. etc.. etc.. any small deviation and we would not be here!
The perfect manner the human body was put together! Never mind the complexity of just the eye for just one example! All of this and much more is way to complex to come together by accident!

The odds are beyond comprehension to think it was a coincidence!
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7/18/2016 10:56:56 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

You are going to die someday. Might be tonight. Concentrate on that. There "is no afterlife", so you might have a week left. What are you going to do with that time?
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7/18/2016 11:00:57 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/18/2016 10:46:48 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/18/2016 11:14:25 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/17/2016 11:20:09 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/17/2016 7:51:13 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:10:01 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?!
Jovian It's not working, all you do is prove your ignorance!

There is ZERO PROOF the world by accident, somehow all fell together perfectly! The odds of an accident creating all of the universe and you in it, cannot be fathomed.

That's right...who ever said the universe and or life were an accident? This is the number one invention by theists to have something to mock atheists over. There is ZERO, yes ZERO, but ZERO proof that the universe and life were created. If there is, please let me know and we can be both be rich.

Proof there is a design... Man is to complex to be random.. proof enough for you?!

That is not proof at all, it is an incorrect and illogical assertion.
Willows You are wrong: If the earth was without a moon, the distance of the moon from us or it's speed was different then we would not exist!
OR the distance form the sun is PERFECT one way or the other we would not be here! The tilt of the earth, the speed of rotation the speed around the sun, having large planets beyond the earth, water, and the exact amount of water, Antarctica at the pole.. etc etc.. etc.. etc.. any small deviation and we would not be here!
The perfect manner the human body was put together! Never mind the complexity of just the eye for just one example! All of this and much more is way to complex to come together by accident!

The odds are beyond comprehension to think it was a coincidence!

Firstly, evolution is not random. That is a false assertion. Educate yourself.

Secondly, you are looking at things backwards. An intelligent species could only arise in conditions which were favourable to produce it. That should be obvious. For that species to then look at those conditions and assert that they had to have been created by intent is a fallacy.
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7/18/2016 11:06:31 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/18/2016 10:56:56 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

You are going to die someday. Might be tonight. Concentrate on that. There "is no afterlife", so you might have a week left. What are you going to do with that time?

What would you suggest, waste it by kowtowing to a non-existent entity or quivering in fear and yearning for death to not really be death?
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7/18/2016 11:15:58 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/18/2016 11:00:57 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 7/18/2016 10:46:48 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/18/2016 11:14:25 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/17/2016 11:20:09 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/17/2016 7:51:13 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:10:01 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?!
Jovian It's not working, all you do is prove your ignorance!

There is ZERO PROOF the world by accident, somehow all fell together perfectly! The odds of an accident creating all of the universe and you in it, cannot be fathomed.

That's right...who ever said the universe and or life were an accident? This is the number one invention by theists to have something to mock atheists over. There is ZERO, yes ZERO, but ZERO proof that the universe and life were created. If there is, please let me know and we can be both be rich.

Proof there is a design... Man is to complex to be random.. proof enough for you?!

That is not proof at all, it is an incorrect and illogical assertion.
Willows You are wrong: If the earth was without a moon, the distance of the moon from us or it's speed was different then we would not exist!
OR the distance form the sun is PERFECT one way or the other we would not be here! The tilt of the earth, the speed of rotation the speed around the sun, having large planets beyond the earth, water, and the exact amount of water, Antarctica at the pole.. etc etc.. etc.. etc.. any small deviation and we would not be here!
The perfect manner the human body was put together! Never mind the complexity of just the eye for just one example! All of this and much more is way to complex to come together by accident!

The odds are beyond comprehension to think it was a coincidence!

Firstly, evolution is not random. That is a false assertion. Educate yourself.

Secondly, you are looking at things backwards. An intelligent species could only arise in conditions which were favorable to produce it. That should be obvious. For that species to then look at those conditions and assert that they had to have been created by intent is a fallacy.

dee-em ????
You make no sense, you are putting the cart before the horse! The PERFECT favorable conditions had to happen first!!! This alone is mind boggling in it's self; THEN...... And only then, out of all the animals these perfect favorable impossible conditions produced "A Man"! He had to come out on top of all of these species that only by random chance could even exist!
Then out of this accident of random chance, man came to be!!!???
Not likely, not possible!
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7/18/2016 11:42:07 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/18/2016 11:15:58 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/18/2016 11:00:57 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 7/18/2016 10:46:48 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/18/2016 11:14:25 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/17/2016 11:20:09 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/17/2016 7:51:13 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:10:01 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?!
Jovian It's not working, all you do is prove your ignorance!

There is ZERO PROOF the world by accident, somehow all fell together perfectly! The odds of an accident creating all of the universe and you in it, cannot be fathomed.

That's right...who ever said the universe and or life were an accident? This is the number one invention by theists to have something to mock atheists over. There is ZERO, yes ZERO, but ZERO proof that the universe and life were created. If there is, please let me know and we can be both be rich.

Proof there is a design... Man is to complex to be random.. proof enough for you?!

That is not proof at all, it is an incorrect and illogical assertion.
Willows You are wrong: If the earth was without a moon, the distance of the moon from us or it's speed was different then we would not exist!
OR the distance form the sun is PERFECT one way or the other we would not be here! The tilt of the earth, the speed of rotation the speed around the sun, having large planets beyond the earth, water, and the exact amount of water, Antarctica at the pole.. etc etc.. etc.. etc.. any small deviation and we would not be here!
The perfect manner the human body was put together! Never mind the complexity of just the eye for just one example! All of this and much more is way to complex to come together by accident!

The odds are beyond comprehension to think it was a coincidence!

Firstly, evolution is not random. That is a false assertion. Educate yourself.

Secondly, you are looking at things backwards. An intelligent species could only arise in conditions which were favorable to produce it. That should be obvious. For that species to then look at those conditions and assert that they had to have been created by intent is a fallacy.

dee-em ????
You make no sense, you are putting the cart before the horse! The PERFECT favorable conditions had to happen first!!! This alone is mind boggling in it's self; THEN...... And only then, out of all the animals these perfect favorable impossible conditions produced "A Man"! He had to come out on top of all of these species that only by random chance could even exist!
Then out of this accident of random chance, man came to be!!!???
Not likely, not possible!

As I said you are looking at things backwards. You are like a lottery winner who examines the millions of tickets in the draw and the lottery apparatus and concludes that the odds of their ticket being drawn were millions to one, therefore there had to have been divine intervention. It's fallacious reasoning.

Consider this. Assume that the universe is entirely natural. Out of those billions of galaxies each with billions of suns, life happens to arise on one of the planets circling a sun. First that life is very simple and then over billions of years more complex lifeforms evolve through evolution. Eventually in the last 500 million years a species arises with a large brain capable of consciousness. It then developed science and technology, looks back at the process by which it came into existence and says, nah, nature couldn't have produced me because the conditions were just too perfect. That is you. By definition life will evolve to suit the conditions it finds itself in. That is not coincidence, it is the only way it could be. All life on this planet has to be superbly adapted to the temperature, pressure and water/gas mixture which comprised its environment. It couldn't be any other way.
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7/19/2016 1:12:35 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/18/2016 11:42:07 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 7/18/2016 11:15:58 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/18/2016 11:00:57 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 7/18/2016 10:46:48 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/18/2016 11:14:25 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/17/2016 11:20:09 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/17/2016 7:51:13 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:10:01 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?!
Jovian It's not working, all you do is prove your ignorance!

There is ZERO PROOF the world by accident, somehow all fell together perfectly! The odds of an accident creating all of the universe and you in it, cannot be fathomed.

That's right...who ever said the universe and or life were an accident? This is the number one invention by theists to have something to mock atheists over. There is ZERO, yes ZERO, but ZERO proof that the universe and life were created. If there is, please let me know and we can be both be rich.

Proof there is a design... Man is to complex to be random.. proof enough for you?!

That is not proof at all, it is an incorrect and illogical assertion.
Willows You are wrong: If the earth was without a moon, the distance of the moon from us or it's speed was different then we would not exist!
OR the distance form the sun is PERFECT one way or the other we would not be here! The tilt of the earth, the speed of rotation the speed around the sun, having large planets beyond the earth, water, and the exact amount of water, Antarctica at the pole.. etc etc.. etc.. etc.. any small deviation and we would not be here!
The perfect manner the human body was put together! Never mind the complexity of just the eye for just one example! All of this and much more is way to complex to come together by accident!

The odds are beyond comprehension to think it was a coincidence!

Firstly, evolution is not random. That is a false assertion. Educate yourself.

Secondly, you are looking at things backwards. An intelligent species could only arise in conditions which were favorable to produce it. That should be obvious. For that species to then look at those conditions and assert that they had to have been created by intent is a fallacy.

dee-em ????
You make no sense, you are putting the cart before the horse! The PERFECT favorable conditions had to happen first!!! This alone is mind boggling in it's self; THEN...... And only then, out of all the animals these perfect favorable impossible conditions produced "A Man"! He had to come out on top of all of these species that only by random chance could even exist!
Then out of this accident of random chance, man came to be!!!???
Not likely, not possible!

As I said you are looking at things backwards. You are like a lottery winner who examines the millions of tickets in the draw and the lottery apparatus and concludes that the odds of their ticket being drawn were millions to one, therefore there had to have been divine intervention. It's fallacious reasoning.

Consider this. Assume that the universe is entirely natural. Out of those billions of galaxies each with billions of suns, life happens to arise on one of the planets circling a sun. First that life is very simple and then over billions of years more complex lifeforms evolve through evolution. Eventually in the last 500 million years a species arises with a large brain capable of consciousness. It then developed science and technology, looks back at the process by which it came into existence and says, nah, nature couldn't have produced me because the conditions were just too perfect. That is you. By definition life will evolve to suit the conditions it finds itself in. That is not coincidence, it is the only way it could be. All life on this planet has to be superbly adapted to the temperature, pressure and water/gas mixture which comprised its environment. It couldn't be any other way.

dee-em yes there is a marked evolution, as thing evolved and changed!!! Yes evolved within species not from a monkey to man! Nature evolves and changes with it's environment! But first we needed the environment to begin with!!!
You said (and rightly so) the universe is entirely natural. Out of those billions of galaxies each with billions of suns, life happens to arise on one of the planets circling a sun.

I reply: Out of those billions.... a billion things could have gone wrong!!! I say: Out of the billions a billion things had to go right!!!! NOW what are the odds of that to happen??!
Billions of suns in each of the billions of Galaxies.. and out of these billions of billions all had to fall into place perfectly for us (You and Me) to come along!! This is what I mean... You assume it all happened by chance, then you assume out of the chance of it all coming together.. We came along again by chance! THIS is putting the cart before the horse!!!!

You assume we have arrived by CHANCE out of the billions!!!
I say.. Out of the Billions the "Chance" is that much smaller to have happened! I say the chance of us all falling into place is so extreme it should not be considered as "CHANCE"! It is proof of a higher being a designer involved to mitigate any chance!!!
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7/19/2016 6:36:52 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/19/2016 1:12:35 AM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/18/2016 11:42:07 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 7/18/2016 11:15:58 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/18/2016 11:00:57 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 7/18/2016 10:46:48 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/18/2016 11:14:25 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/17/2016 11:20:09 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/17/2016 7:51:13 AM, Willows wrote:

That's right...who ever said the universe and or life were an accident? This is the number one invention by theists to have something to mock atheists over. There is ZERO, yes ZERO, but ZERO proof that the universe and life were created. If there is, please let me know and we can be both be rich.

Proof there is a design... Man is to complex to be random.. proof enough for you?!

That is not proof at all, it is an incorrect and illogical assertion.
Willows You are wrong: If the earth was without a moon, the distance of the moon from us or it's speed was different then we would not exist!
OR the distance form the sun is PERFECT one way or the other we would not be here! The tilt of the earth, the speed of rotation the speed around the sun, having large planets beyond the earth, water, and the exact amount of water, Antarctica at the pole.. etc etc.. etc.. etc.. any small deviation and we would not be here!
The perfect manner the human body was put together! Never mind the complexity of just the eye for just one example! All of this and much more is way to complex to come together by accident!

The odds are beyond comprehension to think it was a coincidence!

Firstly, evolution is not random. That is a false assertion. Educate yourself.

Secondly, you are looking at things backwards. An intelligent species could only arise in conditions which were favorable to produce it. That should be obvious. For that species to then look at those conditions and assert that they had to have been created by intent is a fallacy.

dee-em ????
You make no sense, you are putting the cart before the horse! The PERFECT favorable conditions had to happen first!!! This alone is mind boggling in it's self; THEN...... And only then, out of all the animals these perfect favorable impossible conditions produced "A Man"! He had to come out on top of all of these species that only by random chance could even exist!
Then out of this accident of random chance, man came to be!!!???
Not likely, not possible!

As I said you are looking at things backwards. You are like a lottery winner who examines the millions of tickets in the draw and the lottery apparatus and concludes that the odds of their ticket being drawn were millions to one, therefore there had to have been divine intervention. It's fallacious reasoning.

Consider this. Assume that the universe is entirely natural. Out of those billions of galaxies each with billions of suns, life happens to arise on one of the planets circling a sun. First that life is very simple and then over billions of years more complex lifeforms evolve through evolution. Eventually in the last 500 million years a species arises with a large brain capable of consciousness. It then developed science and technology, looks back at the process by which it came into existence and says, nah, nature couldn't have produced me because the conditions were just too perfect. That is you. By definition life will evolve to suit the conditions it finds itself in. That is not coincidence, it is the only way it could be. All life on this planet has to be superbly adapted to the temperature, pressure and water/gas mixture which comprised its environment. It couldn't be any other way.

dee-em yes there is a marked evolution, as thing evolved and changed!!! Yes evolved within species not from a monkey to man!

No. No biologist has ever suggested monkey to man. However, the evidence shows that we have a common ancestor. This is not in dispute whether you accept it or not.

Nature evolves and changes with it's environment! But first we needed the environment to begin with!!!

Every planet of the trillions that must exist has an environment. A percentage of those will have liquid surface water. The Earth happens to be one of them (Mars was too). So our particular kind of life (carbon based) developed on our particular planet. What is your point?

You said (and rightly so) the universe is entirely natural. Out of those billions of galaxies each with billions of suns, life happens to arise on one of the planets circling a sun.

I reply: Out of those billions.... a billion things could have gone wrong!!! I say: Out of the billions a billion things had to go right!!!! NOW what are the odds of that to happen??!

Are the odds of winning a lottery any more fantastic? Yet someone wins the lottery on a regular basis. Lucky for us the Earth won the celestial lottery and life developed here. Again, what is hard to believe?

Billions of suns in each of the billions of Galaxies.. and out of these billions of billions all had to fall into place perfectly for us (You and Me) to come along!!

You talk as if we were the desired product and part of a plan. Don't be silly. We are here because of a particular path taken by evolution with our ape ancestors. We are no more special than any other species which has ever existed, apart from our bigger brains. Life begets life. Any sentient creature which arose, no matter what it looked like, might imagine itself special too but it would still be fallacious reasoning.

This is what I mean... You assume it all happened by chance, then you assume out of the chance of it all coming together.. We came along again by chance! THIS is putting the cart before the horse!!!!

How? Of course it happened by chance. We weren't even around 500,000 years ago. The last ice age nearly wiped us out. How can you possibly think that we as a species are any more significant than any other?

You assume we have arrived by CHANCE out of the billions!!!

Please. This is just plucking probabilities out of thin air and then applying them retrospectively. I have no idea what billions you are talking about and neither do you.

I say.. Out of the Billions the "Chance" is that much smaller to have happened! I say the chance of us all falling into place is so extreme it should not be considered as "CHANCE"!

An assertion based on nothing. We have no idea how prevalent life is in the universe. We do know that once life arises it progresses from simple to more complex through the process of evolution and it fills every possible niche in the ecosystem of the planet. We just happen to be a species which developed consciousness. Great for us, but in terms of the universe no big deal.

It is proof of a higher being a designer involved to mitigate any chance!!!

Nonsense. You are still looking at things backwards. Stop thinking that the universe was made to produce you. The Earth was not moulded to accomodate humans. Humans (and all other species) evolved to survive and flourish in the environment on Earth. We are made of elements readily available on the crust of the planet. We breathe the particular atmospheric mix of gases the Earth happens to have. No coincidence. It is the only way it could be.
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7/19/2016 11:02:49 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/18/2016 10:46:48 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/18/2016 11:14:25 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/17/2016 11:20:09 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/17/2016 7:51:13 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:10:01 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/16/2016 11:02:37 PM, Jovian wrote:
It is the very example of how the universe was designed. Think about how it was designed, and you will start drooling and become a theist. Isn't it the most perfect design ever? The trachea close to the esophagus, allowing 2000 deaths every year in America caused by choking! Wow wow wow! This is the ultimate proof of the universe having been designed. Designed by someone with an IQ above 100 000 000 000 000 000 000.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?!
Jovian It's not working, all you do is prove your ignorance!

There is ZERO PROOF the world by accident, somehow all fell together perfectly! The odds of an accident creating all of the universe and you in it, cannot be fathomed.

That's right...who ever said the universe and or life were an accident? This is the number one invention by theists to have something to mock atheists over. There is ZERO, yes ZERO, but ZERO proof that the universe and life were created. If there is, please let me know and we can be both be rich.

Proof there is a design... Man is to complex to be random.. proof enough for you?!

That is not proof at all, it is an incorrect and illogical assertion.
Willows You are wrong: If the earth was without a moon, the distance of the moon from us or it's speed was different then we would not exist!
OR the distance form the sun is PERFECT one way or the other we would not be here! The tilt of the earth, the speed of rotation the speed around the sun, having large planets beyond the earth, water, and the exact amount of water, Antarctica at the pole.. etc etc.. etc.. etc.. any small deviation and we would not be here!
The perfect manner the human body was put together! Never mind the complexity of just the eye for just one example! All of this and much more is way to complex to come together by accident!

The odds are beyond comprehension to think it was a coincidence!

That's completely right. The human eye and the human body did not come together by accident and it certainly was no coincidence. You are beginning to use a bit of logic. I take it then that you have done a bit of biological research.