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Fatihah
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7/17/2016 3:14:30 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
It seems that when discussing religion and other ideologies and philosophies in regards to what should be morally and ethically acceptable it, always boils down to what is natural and what is socialized in males and females. Some will say that men and women are a certain way naturally, which is why it is wrong to do so and so. Others say it is not natural but nurtured or socialized to think these standards. Some may suggests or say that there is no natural difference between males and females emotionally or psychologically while others say there is a clear distinction.

I believe that there is a natural difference between males and females emotionally and psychologically in humans. We are the same, except that males are naturally less sensitive and more inclined to fight. This is the natural difference. This is why women are naturally attracted to men sexually and vice versa. This is why men tend to want to be more in control and seek power.

However, humans can be socialized into behaving differently and not to act on their most natural inclinations. This is why there are women who are just as strong and even stronger than men emotionally and psychologically and are less sensitive and fearful compared to other men in regards to combat. This is why there is homosexuality, where people have same sex attraction rather than the opposite gender. Yet despite this, there is still a vast difference between males and females emotionally and psychologically when you compare a group of men with a group of women no matter the study. This indicates that there is a natural difference that causes these vast differences. Otherwise, if it was just social conditions, then the results would be closely related and the same when the conditions are the same.

Is there a natural difference emotionally and psychologically between males and females in humans and if so, how does social conditions change or shape these differences?
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7/17/2016 3:24:58 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 3:14:30 PM, Fatihah wrote:
It seems that when discussing religion and other ideologies and philosophies in regards to what should be morally and ethically acceptable it, always boils down to what is natural and what is socialized in males and females. Some will say that men and women are a certain way naturally, which is why it is wrong to do so and so. Others say it is not natural but nurtured or socialized to think these standards. Some may suggests or say that there is no natural difference between males and females emotionally or psychologically while others say there is a clear distinction.

I believe that there is a natural difference between males and females emotionally and psychologically in humans. We are the same, except that males are naturally less sensitive and more inclined to fight. This is the natural difference. This is why women are naturally attracted to men sexually and vice versa. This is why men tend to want to be more in control and seek power.

However, humans can be socialized into behaving differently and not to act on their most natural inclinations. This is why there are women who are just as strong and even stronger than men emotionally and psychologically and are less sensitive and fearful compared to other men in regards to combat. This is why there is homosexuality, where people have same sex attraction rather than the opposite gender. Yet despite this, there is still a vast difference between males and females emotionally and psychologically when you compare a group of men with a group of women no matter the study.

Yes, it's easy to assert such things especially when you don't provide any studies.

This indicates that there is a natural difference that causes these vast differences. Otherwise, if it was just social conditions, then the results would be closely related and the same when the conditions are the same.

Is there a natural difference emotionally and psychologically between males and females in humans and if so, how does social conditions change or shape these differences?
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7/17/2016 3:28:04 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 3:14:30 PM, Fatihah wrote:
It seems that when discussing religion and other ideologies and philosophies in regards to what should be morally and ethically acceptable it, always boils down to what is natural and what is socialized in males and females. Some will say that men and women are a certain way naturally, which is why it is wrong to do so and so. Others say it is not natural but nurtured or socialized to think these standards. Some may suggests or say that there is no natural difference between males and females emotionally or psychologically while others say there is a clear distinction.

I believe that there is a natural difference between males and females emotionally and psychologically in humans. We are the same, except that males are naturally less sensitive and more inclined to fight. This is the natural difference. This is why women are naturally attracted to men sexually and vice versa. This is why men tend to want to be more in control and seek power.

However, humans can be socialized into behaving differently and not to act on their most natural inclinations. This is why there are women who are just as strong and even stronger than men emotionally and psychologically and are less sensitive and fearful compared to other men in regards to combat. This is why there is homosexuality, where people have same sex attraction rather than the opposite gender. Yet despite this, there is still a vast difference between males and females emotionally and psychologically when you compare a group of men with a group of women no matter the study. This indicates that there is a natural difference that causes these vast differences. Otherwise, if it was just social conditions, then the results would be closely related and the same when the conditions are the same.

Is there a natural difference emotionally and psychologically between males and females in humans and if so, how does social conditions change or shape these differences?

Don't you mean socialization instead of Socialism?
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7/17/2016 3:34:05 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
I haven't read any of this but the controlling principle of socialism is a more equal distribution of the wealth extracted from the Earth's resources, that includes humans.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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7/17/2016 3:59:08 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 3:28:04 PM, Omniverse wrote:

Don't you mean socialization instead of Socialism?

Response: given that socialism does have a different meaning than the one I'm intending, yes. A better word would have been socialization.
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7/17/2016 4:10:57 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 3:59:08 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/17/2016 3:28:04 PM, Omniverse wrote:

Don't you mean socialization instead of Socialism?

Response: given that socialism does have a different meaning than the one I'm intending, yes. A better word would have been socialization.
idiots are a dime a dozen.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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7/17/2016 4:18:39 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 3:24:58 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

Yes, it's easy to assert such things especially when you don't provide any studies.

Response: Likewise.
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7/17/2016 4:46:56 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 4:18:39 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/17/2016 3:24:58 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

Yes, it's easy to assert such things especially when you don't provide any studies.

Response: Likewise.

What does that mean? You didn't provide any studies to support your assertions. Do you not understand that simple concept?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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7/17/2016 4:52:46 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 4:46:56 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

What does that mean? You didn't provide any studies to support your assertions. Do you not understand that simple concept?

Response: You didn't provide a study to refute my assertion, thus you have no logical basis to ask for a study when you have no study to show otherwise. Do you not understand that simple concept?
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7/17/2016 4:55:11 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 4:46:56 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 7/17/2016 4:18:39 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/17/2016 3:24:58 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

Yes, it's easy to assert such things especially when you don't provide any studies.

Response: Likewise.

What does that mean? You didn't provide any studies to support your assertions. Do you not understand that simple concept?

https://www.youtube.com...

if u know what i mean
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DanneJeRusse
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7/17/2016 5:20:19 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 4:55:11 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 7/17/2016 4:46:56 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 7/17/2016 4:18:39 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/17/2016 3:24:58 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

Yes, it's easy to assert such things especially when you don't provide any studies.

Response: Likewise.

What does that mean? You didn't provide any studies to support your assertions. Do you not understand that simple concept?

https://www.youtube.com...

if u know what i mean

Yes, you are showing us you're an immature child.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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7/17/2016 5:21:10 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 4:52:46 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/17/2016 4:46:56 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

What does that mean? You didn't provide any studies to support your assertions. Do you not understand that simple concept?

Response: You didn't provide a study to refute my assertion, thus you have no logical basis to ask for a study when you have no study to show otherwise. Do you not understand that simple concept?

Ah, I see, this thread is just troll bait.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
Fatihah
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7/17/2016 5:23:10 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 5:21:10 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

Ah, I see, this thread is just troll bait.

Response: You're right since I keep attracting the greatest troll. Though the intent is an actual dialogue.
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7/17/2016 5:29:07 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 5:23:10 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/17/2016 5:21:10 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

Ah, I see, this thread is just troll bait.

Response: You're right since I keep attracting the greatest troll. Though the intent is an actual dialogue.

That was never your intent, troll.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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7/17/2016 6:08:57 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
You seem to be asking about genetic predisposition for behavior and how it relates to socialized behavior, and that's a very big, complicated, and inter-related ball of ideas. I think you're gong to need to narrow it down to a set of questions that are more specific to whatever it is that you're interested in investigating.
Fatihah
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7/17/2016 6:26:04 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 6:08:57 PM, PureX wrote:
You seem to be asking about genetic predisposition for behavior and how it relates to socialized behavior, and that's a very big, complicated, and inter-related ball of ideas. I think you're gong to need to narrow it down to a set of questions that are more specific to whatever it is that you're interested in investigating.

Response: My interest is whether there is a natural difference between males and females both emotionally and psychologically.
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7/17/2016 9:17:46 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 6:26:04 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/17/2016 6:08:57 PM, PureX wrote:
You seem to be asking about genetic predisposition for behavior and how it relates to socialized behavior, and that's a very big, complicated, and inter-related ball of ideas. I think you're gong to need to narrow it down to a set of questions that are more specific to whatever it is that you're interested in investigating.

Response: My interest is whether there is a natural difference between males and females both emotionally and psychologically.
Yes there is. The egalitarian western society of the moment refuses to see the obvious however, pretending that males and females are exactly alike in all ways.
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7/17/2016 9:45:30 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 9:17:46 PM, janesix wrote:

Yes there is. The egalitarian western society of the moment refuses to see the obvious however, pretending that males and females are exactly alike in all ways.

Response: We may disagree on much, but it seems we can agree at least on this aspect. What is the natural difference then, emotionally and psychologically, between males and females?
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7/17/2016 9:50:34 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 9:45:30 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/17/2016 9:17:46 PM, janesix wrote:

Yes there is. The egalitarian western society of the moment refuses to see the obvious however, pretending that males and females are exactly alike in all ways.

Response: We may disagree on much, but it seems we can agree at least on this aspect. What is the natural difference then, emotionally and psychologically, between males and females?

For one thing women are much more emotional than men. Men are much better leaders than women, and are much more logical and reasonable than women.
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7/17/2016 9:55:35 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 9:50:34 PM, janesix wrote:
At 7/17/2016 9:45:30 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/17/2016 9:17:46 PM, janesix wrote:

Yes there is. The egalitarian western society of the moment refuses to see the obvious however, pretending that males and females are exactly alike in all ways.

Response: We may disagree on much, but it seems we can agree at least on this aspect. What is the natural difference then, emotionally and psychologically, between males and females?

For one thing women are much more emotional than men. Men are much better leaders than women, and are much more logical and reasonable than women.

Response: Interesting. I agree that women are more sensitive emotionally than men as well. I am surprised that you believe men are naturally more logical and reasonable. I think men and women are naturally equal in this department but because women are more sensitive, their emotions tend to take over rather than logic., which is also why men may be better leaders. However, a woman can be just as strong emotionally and logically as men if socialized into being so.
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7/18/2016 3:02:51 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
As long as people believe that there is no natural difference emotionally and psychologically between male and female humans, there will always be a conflict with religion and other ideologies about the different rules and treatment of men and women in different societies and communities.
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7/18/2016 1:46:33 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/17/2016 6:26:04 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/17/2016 6:08:57 PM, PureX wrote:
You seem to be asking about genetic predisposition for behavior and how it relates to socialized behavior, and that's a very big, complicated, and inter-related ball of ideas. I think you're gong to need to narrow it down to a set of questions that are more specific to whatever it is that you're interested in investigating.

Response: My interest is whether there is a natural difference between males and females both emotionally and psychologically.

Of course there is. Males are naturally far more aggressive than females. Males and females are naturally attracted to different forms and shapes. Males and females naturally exhibit very different problem-solving skills. These are just the few I've heard of. I'm sure if you search the question on line, you'll find more. There have been many studies.
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7/18/2016 1:54:57 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
Will you look at that?
Men and women are different, I'm fckin' glad about that.
It's so pathetic when the weak minded men use that difference to claim there is no equality. They are usually the same feeble minded men who require a religion to use as a crutch.
Poor things.
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7/18/2016 1:55:55 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/18/2016 1:46:33 PM, PureX wrote:
At 7/17/2016 6:26:04 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/17/2016 6:08:57 PM, PureX wrote:
You seem to be asking about genetic predisposition for behavior and how it relates to socialized behavior, and that's a very big, complicated, and inter-related ball of ideas. I think you're gong to need to narrow it down to a set of questions that are more specific to whatever it is that you're interested in investigating.

Response: My interest is whether there is a natural difference between males and females both emotionally and psychologically.

Of course there is. Males are naturally far more aggressive than females. Males and females are naturally attracted to different forms and shapes. Males and females naturally exhibit very different problem-solving skills. These are just the few I've heard of. I'm sure if you search the question on line, you'll find more. There have been many studies.

Response: Do you believe that males are naturally less sensitive and more inclined to fight than females?
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7/18/2016 3:21:49 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/18/2016 1:55:55 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/18/2016 1:46:33 PM, PureX wrote:
At 7/17/2016 6:26:04 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/17/2016 6:08:57 PM, PureX wrote:
You seem to be asking about genetic predisposition for behavior and how it relates to socialized behavior, and that's a very big, complicated, and inter-related ball of ideas. I think you're gong to need to narrow it down to a set of questions that are more specific to whatever it is that you're interested in investigating.

Response: My interest is whether there is a natural difference between males and females both emotionally and psychologically.

Of course there is. Males are naturally far more aggressive than females. Males and females are naturally attracted to different forms and shapes. Males and females naturally exhibit very different problem-solving skills. These are just the few I've heard of. I'm sure if you search the question on line, you'll find more. There have been many studies.

Response: Do you believe that males are naturally less sensitive and more inclined to fight than females?

Probably not less sensitive, just far more inclined to use violence as a way of 'solving problems'.
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7/18/2016 3:50:55 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/18/2016 3:21:49 PM, PureX wrote:

Probably not less sensitive, just far more inclined to use violence as a way of 'solving problems'.

Response: Well, it seems that different people will have a different understanding and answer to the question of whether there is a natural difference emotionally and psychologically between male and female humans.

However, if you acknowledge there is a natural difference between males and females, yet cannot prove the difference, how can a religion be wrong for applying a different standard for males and females?
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7/18/2016 3:59:13 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/18/2016 3:50:55 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/18/2016 3:21:49 PM, PureX wrote:

Probably not less sensitive, just far more inclined to use violence as a way of 'solving problems'.

Response: Well, it seems that different people will have a different understanding and answer to the question of whether there is a natural difference emotionally and psychologically between male and female humans.

However, if you acknowledge there is a natural difference between males and females, yet cannot prove the difference, how can a religion be wrong for applying a different standard for males and females?

We can and have amassed tested evidence for these natural differences. And religions can apply whatever standards they want to whatever they want. Just as we can happily ignore them.