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7/19/2016 9:26:05 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
Many people in many countries fear Muslims and are trying to come up with ways to protect themselves from terrorist attacks.

One concept, spouted by an Australian politician, now gaining support is to stop Muslim immigration into this country.

What do Australian think about the Muslim population?:

All Muslims are potential terrorists. Muslims come to this country to escape the hazards of their old country and then try to change this country to suit their desires.

Even Muslims born here do not want to assimilate with the rest of the Australian Nation. There are more reasons why the average Australian, the ones of Australian heritage and the newer ones with multi cultural back grounds have different ideas, but none are based on religious belief, just the fear that the Crazy, Jehad's have stirred up in the world.

The concept of a Caliphate combined with the war lord history of Islam, which started with Abraham's son Ishmael, from his wife's slave girls offering to bear the Matriarch a child, began on a tribal, war lord institution that has continued down through the ages.

Muslims kill Muslims and have no problem with that as t hey cover it by being a different denomination of Islam. So do the so called Christians.

I do not believe that it is within the governments of the world's capability to solve this problem, where ISIS wants to kill the infidels, establish a Caliphate and rule the world after they bring on the Apocalypse. They d o not have it in their hearts to cooperate with each other let alone anyone else.

So, how do governments address the problem of terrorist attacks?:

Research the existing Muslim groups in the community and find those that are in favour of Shari law. Put these ones on a close security watch list (It is already done now anyway). Then with immigration of further Muslims research their past and any one that agrees with any part of Shari law should have the entry declined.

This is not discrimination, it is the same as putting out a grass fire before it burns your house down.

If there was the concern, that the do gooders and the Muslim groups that wish to make out that they are hard done by, they would be more helpful in rooting out the Shari, Brain Washed Radicals.

Muslims, in the Camel driving industry, were here in this country in the 1800s, as was many other ethnic groups, so who can stand up and say...Go Home!!!!

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7/19/2016 2:16:21 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/19/2016 9:26:05 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
Many people in many countries fear Muslims and are trying to come up with ways to protect themselves from terrorist attacks.

One concept, spouted by an Australian politician, now gaining support is to stop Muslim immigration into this country.

What do Australian think about the Muslim population?:

All Muslims are potential terrorists. Muslims come to this country to escape the hazards of their old country and then try to change this country to suit their desires.

Even Muslims born here do not want to assimilate with the rest of the Australian Nation. There are more reasons why the average Australian, the ones of Australian heritage and the newer ones with multi cultural back grounds have different ideas, but none are based on religious belief, just the fear that the Crazy, Jehad's have stirred up in the world.

The concept of a Caliphate combined with the war lord history of Islam, which started with Abraham's son Ishmael, from his wife's slave girls offering to bear the Matriarch a child, began on a tribal, war lord institution that has continued down through the ages.

Muslims kill Muslims and have no problem with that as t hey cover it by being a different denomination of Islam. So do the so called Christians.

I do not believe that it is within the governments of the world's capability to solve this problem, where ISIS wants to kill the infidels, establish a Caliphate and rule the world after they bring on the Apocalypse. They d o not have it in their hearts to cooperate with each other let alone anyone else.

So, how do governments address the problem of terrorist attacks?:

Research the existing Muslim groups in the community and find those that are in favour of Shari law. Put these ones on a close security watch list (It is already done now anyway). Then with immigration of further Muslims research their past and any one that agrees with any part of Shari law should have the entry declined.

This is not discrimination, it is the same as putting out a grass fire before it burns your house down.

If there was the concern, that the do gooders and the Muslim groups that wish to make out that they are hard done by, they would be more helpful in rooting out the Shari, Brain Washed Radicals.

Muslims, in the Camel driving industry, were here in this country in the 1800s, as was many other ethnic groups, so who can stand up and say...Go Home!!!!

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Send the Muslims back home and we start becoming no better than those murderous, heavy-handed regimes. We have an open democratic society called the free world and by imposing hard rules as to what kind of people or religions we tolerate is exactly what those terrorists want us to do.
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7/19/2016 2:26:24 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
It's only the permanently bewildered ie christians who fear muslims. Those of us who are enlightened don't bother with that crap.
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7/19/2016 5:23:48 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/19/2016 9:26:05 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
Many people in many countries fear Muslims and are trying to come up with ways to protect themselves from terrorist attacks.

brainwashed propoganda number 1 - muslims = relations to terrorisim always.


One concept, spouted by an Australian politician, now gaining support is to stop Muslim immigration into this country.

after they destroy the muslim world they created war zones, massacres and they pointing fingers at needy ppl fleeing from what they created.


What do Australian think about the Muslim population?:


All Muslims are potential terrorists. Muslims come to this country to escape the hazards of their old country and then try to change this country to suit their desires.

i see u dont know anything about ppl. "all" means u r an idiot. even if u take 2 ppl they have drastic differences for why they behaving the way they do. from pshychology, childhood to health status to wealth...


Even Muslims born here do not want to assimilate with the rest of the Australian Nation.

yeah u asked them one by one or u hear such nonsense from the media propoganda.

There are more reasons why the average Australian, the ones of Australian heritage and the newer ones with multi cultural back grounds have different ideas, but none are based on religious belief, just the fear that the Crazy, Jehad's have stirred up in the world.

such stupidity... Australian "heritage" just some years ago before the europeans came to this land to take it by force, rape, massacre and genecide from some ppl by the name of aborigines. and what stupid ideas u have about jihad. before u start to chant please explain what is the meaning of "jihad" from what u have understood. dont go to google search. and which "jihad" is taking of the world? r u joking me? its the empire of US is taking the world they have 1000+ military bases all over the world where do u find "jihadist" military bases from other lands of themselves?


The concept of a Caliphate combined with the war lord history of Islam, which started with Abraham's son Ishmael, from his wife's slave girls offering to bear the Matriarch a child, began on a tribal, war lord institution that has continued down through the ages.

r u serious? what is caliphate please explain again without internet searching. what it has to do iwth abraham for gods sake.


Muslims kill Muslims and have no problem with that as t hey cover it by being a different denomination of Islam. So do the so called Christians.

which muslims do that? how many out of 1.8 billion of muslims all over the world. 1 out of 5 ppl is a muslim worldwide.


I do not believe that it is within the governments of the world's capability to solve this problem, where ISIS wants to kill the infidels, establish a Caliphate and rule the world after they bring on the Apocalypse. They d o not have it in their hearts to cooperate with each other let alone anyone else.

ISIS is created by United snakes of America and his whores. they get funded by them.


So, how do governments address the problem of terrorist attacks?:

how do u address that u always find military occupation in muslims lands by the west and u dont find any muslim military invading even 1 non muslim land? please explain.


Research the existing Muslim groups in the community and find those that are in favour of Shari law. Put these ones on a close security watch list (It is already done now anyway). Then with immigration of further Muslims research their past and any one that agrees with any part of Shari law should have the entry declined.

its not "shari" its shariah. please explain what is shariah? which law? who dicide it?


This is not discrimination, it is the same as putting out a grass fire before it burns your house down.

"To generalize is to be an idiot" - William Blake

If there was the concern, that the do gooders and the Muslim groups that wish to make out that they are hard done by, they would be more helpful in rooting out the Shari, Brain Washed Radicals.

i dont know ppl who r more charitable than muslims. your pathetic logic kills me.


Muslims, in the Camel driving industry, were here in this country in the 1800s, as was many other ethnic groups, so who can stand up and say...Go Home!!!!

which muslims?? lol!! "camel driving industry"... wow amazing how the media can make zombies out of ppl


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so from your first post i see u dont know about politics, religion and islam, propoganda and media manipulation, your idiotic pathetic generalisations misleading face value misrepresenting lies and smearing just shows u r from the common ppl. TV news is your brain good luck with that.
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7/19/2016 7:07:44 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/19/2016 9:26:05 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
Many people in many countries fear Muslims and are trying to come up with ways to protect themselves from terrorist attacks.

One concept, spouted by an Australian politician, now gaining support is to stop Muslim immigration into this country.

What do Australian think about the Muslim population?:

All Muslims are potential terrorists. Muslims come to this country to escape the hazards of their old country and then try to change this country to suit their desires.

Even Muslims born here do not want to assimilate with the rest of the Australian Nation. There are more reasons why the average Australian, the ones of Australian heritage and the newer ones with multi cultural back grounds have different ideas, but none are based on religious belief, just the fear that the Crazy, Jehad's have stirred up in the world.

The concept of a Caliphate combined with the war lord history of Islam, which started with Abraham's son Ishmael, from his wife's slave girls offering to bear the Matriarch a child, began on a tribal, war lord institution that has continued down through the ages.

Muslims kill Muslims and have no problem with that as t hey cover it by being a different denomination of Islam. So do the so called Christians.

I do not believe that it is within the governments of the world's capability to solve this problem, where ISIS wants to kill the infidels, establish a Caliphate and rule the world after they bring on the Apocalypse. They d o not have it in their hearts to cooperate with each other let alone anyone else.

So, how do governments address the problem of terrorist attacks?:

Research the existing Muslim groups in the community and find those that are in favour of Shari law. Put these ones on a close security watch list (It is already done now anyway). Then with immigration of further Muslims research their past and any one that agrees with any part of Shari law should have the entry declined.

This is not discrimination, it is the same as putting out a grass fire before it burns your house down.

If there was the concern, that the do gooders and the Muslim groups that wish to make out that they are hard done by, they would be more helpful in rooting out the Shari, Brain Washed Radicals.

Muslims, in the Camel driving industry, were here in this country in the 1800s, as was many other ethnic groups, so who can stand up and say...Go Home!!!!

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perhaps because those countries you talk about invade islamic lands and kill muslims there. that's why they worth fear of muslim menace.
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7/19/2016 7:08:45 PM
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Send the Muslims back home and we start becoming no better than those murderous, heavy-handed regimes. We have an open democratic society called the free world and by imposing hard rules as to what kind of people or religions we tolerate is exactly what those terrorists want us to do.

well we have to send them back to iraq, syria and afganisthan since america, russia and nato await them there.
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7/19/2016 7:53:49 PM
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At 7/19/2016 9:26:05 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
Many people in many countries fear Muslims and are trying to come up with ways to protect themselves from terrorist attacks.

One concept, spouted by an Australian politician, now gaining support is to stop Muslim immigration into this country.

What do Australian think about the Muslim population?:

All Muslims are potential terrorists. Muslims come to this country to escape the hazards of their old country and then try to change this country to suit their desires.

Even Muslims born here do not want to assimilate with the rest of the Australian Nation. There are more reasons why the average Australian, the ones of Australian heritage and the newer ones with multi cultural back grounds have different ideas, but none are based on religious belief, just the fear that the Crazy, Jehad's have stirred up in the world.

The concept of a Caliphate combined with the war lord history of Islam, which started with Abraham's son Ishmael, from his wife's slave girls offering to bear the Matriarch a child, began on a tribal, war lord institution that has continued down through the ages.

Muslims kill Muslims and have no problem with that as t hey cover it by being a different denomination of Islam. So do the so called Christians.

I do not believe that it is within the governments of the world's capability to solve this problem, where ISIS wants to kill the infidels, establish a Caliphate and rule the world after they bring on the Apocalypse. They d o not have it in their hearts to cooperate with each other let alone anyone else.

So, how do governments address the problem of terrorist attacks?:

Research the existing Muslim groups in the community and find those that are in favour of Shari law. Put these ones on a close security watch list (It is already done now anyway). Then with immigration of further Muslims research their past and any one that agrees with any part of Shari law should have the entry declined.

This is not discrimination, it is the same as putting out a grass fire before it burns your house down.

If there was the concern, that the do gooders and the Muslim groups that wish to make out that they are hard done by, they would be more helpful in rooting out the Shari, Brain Washed Radicals.

Muslims, in the Camel driving industry, were here in this country in the 1800s, as was many other ethnic groups, so who can stand up and say...Go Home!!!!

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Response: Many thinkers agree that the vast majority of Muslims are still peaceful and not terrorists. At the same time, it is the West (non-Muslim authority) who have the greatest power and authority to overthrow a Muslim country.

So the solution is simple. It's not a case of Muslims saying something, but non-Muslims working with good Muslims by using their authority to give good Muslims a platform in the West. That means media outlets and more reports of the beauty of Islam. Additionally, the same way the West set up Israel, they can set up a Muslim nation by allowing a Western Muslim who is good to rule a Muslim country with the help of a western army.

The solution is simple. Whites were willing to work with Blacks in America and share their platform, which allowed Blacks to be free in America. The same has to occur with non-Muslims with Good Muslims. The problem is no one who is non-Muslim is willing to stand for Muslims and say outwardly that Muslims and Islam is a great religion. Until non-Muslims do so, terrorist will continue to gain momentum.
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7/19/2016 9:00:51 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/19/2016 2:26:24 PM, bulproof wrote:
It's only the permanently bewildered ie christians who fear muslims. Those of us who are enlightened don't bother with that crap.

I somewhat agree. On one hand, as an atheist I sometimes feel anti-theist in that it bothers me religion has the capacity to brainwash so many people and compel them toward such intellectual dishonesty and hate. So in that respect, I don't appreciate Islam at all. On the other hand, the fact that there are billions of Muslims and the majority aren't dangerous makes me not really fear them.
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7/20/2016 12:31:33 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/19/2016 7:53:49 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/19/2016 9:26:05 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
Many people in many countries fear Muslims and are trying to come up with ways to protect themselves from terrorist attacks.

One concept, spouted by an Australian politician, now gaining support is to stop Muslim immigration into this country.

What do Australian think about the Muslim population?:

All Muslims are potential terrorists. Muslims come to this country to escape the hazards of their old country and then try to change this country to suit their desires.

Even Muslims born here do not want to assimilate with the rest of the Australian Nation. There are more reasons why the average Australian, the ones of Australian heritage and the newer ones with multi cultural back grounds have different ideas, but none are based on religious belief, just the fear that the Crazy, Jehad's have stirred up in the world.

The concept of a Caliphate combined with the war lord history of Islam, which started with Abraham's son Ishmael, from his wife's slave girls offering to bear the Matriarch a child, began on a tribal, war lord institution that has continued down through the ages.

Muslims kill Muslims and have no problem with that as t hey cover it by being a different denomination of Islam. So do the so called Christians.

I do not believe that it is within the governments of the world's capability to solve this problem, where ISIS wants to kill the infidels, establish a Caliphate and rule the world after they bring on the Apocalypse. They d o not have it in their hearts to cooperate with each other let alone anyone else.

So, how do governments address the problem of terrorist attacks?:

Research the existing Muslim groups in the community and find those that are in favour of Shari law. Put these ones on a close security watch list (It is already done now anyway). Then with immigration of further Muslims research their past and any one that agrees with any part of Shari law should have the entry declined.

This is not discrimination, it is the same as putting out a grass fire before it burns your house down.

If there was the concern, that the do gooders and the Muslim groups that wish to make out that they are hard done by, they would be more helpful in rooting out the Shari, Brain Washed Radicals.

Muslims, in the Camel driving industry, were here in this country in the 1800s, as was many other ethnic groups, so who can stand up and say...Go Home!!!!

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Response: Many thinkers agree that the vast majority of Muslims are still peaceful and not terrorists. At the same time, it is the West (non-Muslim authority) who have the greatest power and authority to overthrow a Muslim country.

So the solution is simple. It's not a case of Muslims saying something, but non-Muslims working with good Muslims by using their authority to give good Muslims a platform in the West. That means media outlets and more reports of the beauty of Islam. Additionally, the same way the West set up Israel, they can set up a Muslim nation by allowing a Western Muslim who is good to rule a Muslim country with the help of a western army.

The solution is simple. Whites were willing to work with Blacks in America and share their platform, which allowed Blacks to be free in America. The same has to occur with non-Muslims with Good Muslims. The problem is no one who is non-Muslim is willing to stand for Muslims and say outwardly that Muslims and Islam is a great religion. Until non-Muslims do so, terrorist will continue to gain momentum.

ME: Regardless of the rants in the previous post, I have a personal opinion of the world population. 'We are all citizens of the world, it is borders created by man, that has cause the racial divide'. Because of economic, health reasons, agricultural health and a few other things we cannot have people just wandering the world and setting up their own lifestyles where ever they wish. This will only be available to mankind after the earth is cleansed and returned to a paradise condition. With this great mix of citizens of the world, thee are those that do things I don't agree with, and I am sure they do no agree with me; however I respect their right to disagree and demand the same respect.

As far as trying to work things out with Muslims in your country, that should have been done, but I guess no one had the ability to see into the future. Now, it is too late to go softly slowly, something must be done before more and more are murdered by radical groups.
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7/20/2016 12:34:13 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/19/2016 2:16:21 PM, Willows wrote:
At 7/19/2016 9:26:05 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
Many people in many countries fear Muslims and are trying to come up with ways to protect themselves from terrorist attacks.

One concept, spouted by an Australian politician, now gaining support is to stop Muslim immigration into this country.

What do Australian think about the Muslim population?:

All Muslims are potential terrorists. Muslims come to this country to escape the hazards of their old country and then try to change this country to suit their desires.

Even Muslims born here do not want to assimilate with the rest of the Australian Nation. There are more reasons why the average Australian, the ones of Australian heritage and the newer ones with multi cultural back grounds have different ideas, but none are based on religious belief, just the fear that the Crazy, Jehad's have stirred up in the world.

The concept of a Caliphate combined with the war lord history of Islam, which started with Abraham's son Ishmael, from his wife's slave girls offering to bear the Matriarch a child, began on a tribal, war lord institution that has continued down through the ages.

Muslims kill Muslims and have no problem with that as t hey cover it by being a different denomination of Islam. So do the so called Christians.

I do not believe that it is within the governments of the world's capability to solve this problem, where ISIS wants to kill the infidels, establish a Caliphate and rule the world after they bring on the Apocalypse. They d o not have it in their hearts to cooperate with each other let alone anyone else.

So, how do governments address the problem of terrorist attacks?:

Research the existing Muslim groups in the community and find those that are in favour of Shari law. Put these ones on a close security watch list (It is already done now anyway). Then with immigration of further Muslims research their past and any one that agrees with any part of Shari law should have the entry declined.

This is not discrimination, it is the same as putting out a grass fire before it burns your house down.

If there was the concern, that the do gooders and the Muslim groups that wish to make out that they are hard done by, they would be more helpful in rooting out the Shari, Brain Washed Radicals.

Muslims, in the Camel driving industry, were here in this country in the 1800s, as was many other ethnic groups, so who can stand up and say...Go Home!!!!

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Send the Muslims back home and we start becoming no better than those murderous, heavy-handed regimes. We have an open democratic society called the free world and by imposing hard rules as to what kind of people or religions we tolerate is exactly what those terrorists want us to do.

ME: Yes, and many of the Muslims that left this country to fight for ISIS in the Middle East were born here. so even the ones here that have committed terrorist activities cannot be sent home.
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7/20/2016 12:58:32 AM
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At 7/19/2016 5:23:48 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 7/19/2016 9:26:05 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
Many people in many countries fear Muslims and are trying to come up with ways to protect themselves from terrorist attacks.

brainwashed propoganda number 1 - muslims = relations to terrorisim always.

ME: Are you saying that the strongest terrorist activity in the world today is perpetrated by Non-Muslims?


One concept, spouted by an Australian politician, now gaining support is to stop Muslim immigration into this country.

after they destroy the muslim world they created war zones, massacres and they pointing fingers at needy ppl fleeing from what they created.


What do Australian think about the Muslim population?:


All Muslims are potential terrorists. Muslims come to this country to escape the hazards of their old country and then try to change this country to suit their desires.

i see u dont know anything about ppl. "all" means u r an idiot. even if u take 2 ppl they have drastic differences for why they behaving the way they do. from pshychology, childhood to health status to wealth...

ME: You are obviously of the angry mind set of the ISIS group and do not read what is said...I was proposing the thoughts of the average Australian, which is becoming more and more talked about...It is not necessarily my personal opinion..Making stupid and unnecessary comment about me is ridiculous. You show good reason why some Muslims cannot be assimilated into decent society.


Even Muslims born here do not want to assimilate with the rest of the Australian Nation.

yeah u asked them one by one or u hear such nonsense from the media propoganda.

ME: That come from the head religious leader of the Muslims in this country.

There are more reasons why the average Australian, the ones of Australian heritage and the newer ones with multi cultural back grounds have different ideas, but none are based on religious belief, just the fear that the Crazy, Jehad's have stirred up in the world.

such stupidity... Australian "heritage" just some years ago before the europeans came to this land to take it by force, rape, massacre and genecide from some ppl by the name of aborigines. and what stupid ideas u have about jihad. before u start to chant please explain what is the meaning of "jihad" from what u have understood. dont go to google search. and which "jihad" is taking of the world? r u joking me? its the empire of US is taking the world they have 1000+ military bases all over the world where do u find "jihadist" military bases from other lands of themselves?

ME: Settle down, say a prayer fro peace and calm.


The concept of a Caliphate combined with the war lord history of Islam, which started with Abraham's son Ishmael, from his wife's slave girls offering to bear the Matriarch a child, began on a tribal, war lord institution that has continued down through the ages.

r u serious? what is caliphate please explain again without internet searching. what it has to do iwth abraham for gods sake.

ME: That is where you creed/nation/religion started,don't you know your history?


Muslims kill Muslims and have no problem with that as t hey cover it by being a different denomination of Islam. So do the so called Christians.

which muslims do that? how many out of 1.8 billion of muslims all over the world. 1 out of 5 ppl is a muslim worldwide.

ME: Isis is killing Muslims at will. The first one killed in the recent massacre in France, was the baby son of a devout Muslim.

In cases where the religious affiliation of terrorism casualties could be determined, Muslims suffered between 82 and 97% of terrorism-related fatalities over the past five years.


I do not believe that it is within the governments of the world's capability to solve this problem, where ISIS wants to kill the infidels, establish a Caliphate and rule the world after they bring on the Apocalypse. They d o not have it in their hearts to cooperate with each other let alone anyone else.

ISIS is created by United snakes of America and his whores. they get funded by them.

ME: Needs proof.


So, how do governments address the problem of terrorist attacks?:

how do u address that u always find military occupation in muslims lands by the west and u dont find any muslim military invading even 1 non muslim land? please explain.

ME: The most problems come from those lands, do you not think that Iran would wipe out Israel, the US, and any other non-Muslim run country if it thought it would get away with it. But that is getting off track a bit. Let me ask you this, would you sit down with the government of the country and come to an agreement that you would help stamp out terrorism?
Research the existing Muslim groups in the community and find those that are in favour of Shari law. Put these ones on a close security watch list (It is already done now anyway). Then with immigration of further Muslims research their past and any one that agrees with any part of Shari law should have the entry declined.

its not "shari" its shariah. please explain what is shariah? which law? who dicide it?


This is not discrimination, it is the same as putting out a grass fire before it burns your house down.


"To generalize is to be an idiot" - William Blake

ME: To let the house burn down if it can be prevented is more idiotic....

If there was the concern, that the do gooders and the Muslim groups that wish to make out that they are hard done by, they would be more helpful in rooting out the Shari, Brain Washed Radicals.

i dont know ppl who r more charitable than muslims. your pathetic logic kills me.

ME: Maybe that is the solution then?????


Muslims, in the Camel driving industry, were here in this country in the 1800s, as was many other ethnic groups, so who can stand up and say...Go Home!!!!

which muslims?? lol!! "camel driving industry"... wow amazing how the media can make zombies out of ppl

ME: You are treading in very muddy water.The history of Muslims in this country goes back to the 1800s. There is a relic Mosque in Broken hill. The Afghan Camel drivers worked that Outback for many years carting goods around the harsh interior. There is a railway train service operating that is called "The Gahn" in memory of these men and their families.


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so from your first post i see u dont know about politics, religion and islam, propoganda and media manipulation, your idiotic pathetic generalisations misleading face value misrepresenting lies and smearing just shows u r from the common ppl. TV news is your brain good luck with that.

ME: This is what is meant by brain washed, you have not even seen the word "Comment", but you commented anyway, but with rants and abuse. This is the typical radical ideals of the terrorists. This is what this country, and other are afraid.

Your last paragraph is filled with the generalized rants that are heard daily from the mouths of people that are creating the hate for themselves.

However, I do believe that you have done a good thing for this situation, as it shows different sides to a very dangerous discussion.
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7/20/2016 1:00:27 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/19/2016 2:16:21 PM, Willows wrote:
At 7/19/2016 9:26:05 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
Many people in many countries fear Muslims and are trying to come up with ways to protect themselves from terrorist attacks.

One concept, spouted by an Australian politician, now gaining support is to stop Muslim immigration into this country.

What do Australian think about the Muslim population?:

All Muslims are potential terrorists. Muslims come to this country to escape the hazards of their old country and then try to change this country to suit their desires.

Even Muslims born here do not want to assimilate with the rest of the Australian Nation. There are more reasons why the average Australian, the ones of Australian heritage and the newer ones with multi cultural back grounds have different ideas, but none are based on religious belief, just the fear that the Crazy, Jehad's have stirred up in the world.

The concept of a Caliphate combined with the war lord history of Islam, which started with Abraham's son Ishmael, from his wife's slave girls offering to bear the Matriarch a child, began on a tribal, war lord institution that has continued down through the ages.

Muslims kill Muslims and have no problem with that as t hey cover it by being a different denomination of Islam. So do the so called Christians.

I do not believe that it is within the governments of the world's capability to solve this problem, where ISIS wants to kill the infidels, establish a Caliphate and rule the world after they bring on the Apocalypse. They d o not have it in their hearts to cooperate with each other let alone anyone else.

So, how do governments address the problem of terrorist attacks?:

Research the existing Muslim groups in the community and find those that are in favour of Shari law. Put these ones on a close security watch list (It is already done now anyway). Then with immigration of further Muslims research their past and any one that agrees with any part of Shari law should have the entry declined.

This is not discrimination, it is the same as putting out a grass fire before it burns your house down.

If there was the concern, that the do gooders and the Muslim groups that wish to make out that they are hard done by, they would be more helpful in rooting out the Shari, Brain Washed Radicals.

Muslims, in the Camel driving industry, were here in this country in the 1800s, as was many other ethnic groups, so who can stand up and say...Go Home!!!!

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Send the Muslims back home and we start becoming no better than those murderous, heavy-handed regimes. We have an open democratic society called the free world and by imposing hard rules as to what kind of people or religions we tolerate is exactly what those terrorists want us to do.

ME: How do you go with the JW's?
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7/20/2016 1:18:37 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/20/2016 12:31:33 AM, Peternosaint wrote:

ME: Regardless of the rants in the previous post, I have a personal opinion of the world population. 'We are all citizens of the world, it is borders created by man, that has cause the racial divide'. Because of economic, health reasons, agricultural health and a few other things we cannot have people just wandering the world and setting up their own lifestyles where ever they wish. This will only be available to mankind after the earth is cleansed and returned to a paradise condition. With this great mix of citizens of the world, thee are those that do things I don't agree with, and I am sure they do no agree with me; however I respect their right to disagree and demand the same respect.

As far as trying to work things out with Muslims in your country, that should have been done, but I guess no one had the ability to see into the future. Now, it is too late to go softly slowly, something must be done before more and more are murdered by radical groups.

Response: True. Yet nothing will be accomplished as long as the non-Muslims who are in power of the media and government in the West do not give good Muslims the aid and platform to make the change.
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At 7/20/2016 1:18:37 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/20/2016 12:31:33 AM, Peternosaint wrote:

ME: Regardless of the rants in the previous post, I have a personal opinion of the world population. 'We are all citizens of the world, it is borders created by man, that has cause the racial divide'. Because of economic, health reasons, agricultural health and a few other things we cannot have people just wandering the world and setting up their own lifestyles where ever they wish. This will only be available to mankind after the earth is cleansed and returned to a paradise condition. With this great mix of citizens of the world, thee are those that do things I don't agree with, and I am sure they do no agree with me; however I respect their right to disagree and demand the same respect.

As far as trying to work things out with Muslims in your country, that should have been done, but I guess no one had the ability to see into the future. Now, it is too late to go softly slowly, something must be done before more and more are murdered by radical groups.

Response: True. Yet nothing will be accomplished as long as the non-Muslims who are in power of the media and government in the West do not give good Muslims the aid and platform to make the change.

Me: Unfortunately government will follow the vote and not the conscience. But could you expand on that idea, please?

Again, unfortunately, terrorist acts make good media, kindness and good moral acts do not. Have you ever seen a headline, " A man was seen to be being honest in a shop today, police congratulated the person and sent him on his way."

The media here are still filling its pages with the events of the Man Monis activity of a year ago in Martin Place Sydney.
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If the Muslims have now decided that all the terrorism is the fault of the western world, why do they keep coming to places like Australia, France, Germany, New Zealand and the US?

These countries could not be more westernized if they tried, they are all liberal countries with very liberal approach to crime, compared with Muslim ran countries.

Could that be the reason? or could it be that the countries mentioned have the best welfare system in the world today?

I would like to hear the reasons why Muslims pick these countries to migrate to and bring their families, cousins, mothers fathers uncle and aunts?

Why doesn't the fear of being discriminated against turn them elsewhere, like the Philippines, Egypt, Indonesia, How about Iran, it protects its Muslims. There are many places in the world that would accept the religion and ideology of the Muslims.
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7/20/2016 8:08:36 AM
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At 7/20/2016 7:30:06 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
If the Muslims have now decided that all the terrorism is the fault of the western world, why do they keep coming to places like Australia, France, Germany, New Zealand and the US?

These countries could not be more westernized if they tried, they are all liberal countries with very liberal approach to crime, compared with Muslim ran countries.

Could that be the reason? or could it be that the countries mentioned have the best welfare system in the world today?

I would like to hear the reasons why Muslims pick these countries to migrate to and bring their families, cousins, mothers fathers uncle and aunts?

Why doesn't the fear of being discriminated against turn them elsewhere, like the Philippines, Egypt, Indonesia, How about Iran, it protects its Muslims. There are many places in the world that would accept the religion and ideology of the Muslims.

Those are actually interesting questions.
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At 7/20/2016 8:08:36 AM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/20/2016 7:30:06 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
If the Muslims have now decided that all the terrorism is the fault of the western world, why do they keep coming to places like Australia, France, Germany, New Zealand and the US?

These countries could not be more westernized if they tried, they are all liberal countries with very liberal approach to crime, compared with Muslim ran countries.

Could that be the reason? or could it be that the countries mentioned have the best welfare system in the world today?

I would like to hear the reasons why Muslims pick these countries to migrate to and bring their families, cousins, mothers fathers uncle and aunts?

Why doesn't the fear of being discriminated against turn them elsewhere, like the Philippines, Egypt, Indonesia, How about Iran, it protects its Muslims. There are many places in the world that would accept the religion and ideology of the Muslims.

Those are actually interesting questions.

ME: I wonder if we can get some interesting answers, instead of just rants against the places they enter. What is it in their own country that they must take such a dramatic change of lifestyle and move, to get away from?

I am Australian born, so was my father, his father and his father, so I am a little parochial about this big island. I don't mean that I am narrow minded or unable to understand other's concepts, it is just I am happy here, I helped build this European property, as did my ancients, so I believe and hope it is true, that I have some right to express my concerns relating to my homeland.

If I had some control of government thinking, I would instigate a heritage pension for old Australians, like in Japan where a person over 80 can not be booked for J walking or other petty infringements, The Japanese consider their oldies as a National Heritage.

With the amount of migrants that get onto welfare in this country, the oldies are considered a National Pest that takes away the money for politicians to buy votes elsewhere.
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At 7/20/2016 9:46:42 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 7/20/2016 8:08:36 AM, Omniverse wrote:
At 7/20/2016 7:30:06 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
If the Muslims have now decided that all the terrorism is the fault of the western world, why do they keep coming to places like Australia, France, Germany, New Zealand and the US?

These countries could not be more westernized if they tried, they are all liberal countries with very liberal approach to crime, compared with Muslim ran countries.

Could that be the reason? or could it be that the countries mentioned have the best welfare system in the world today?

I would like to hear the reasons why Muslims pick these countries to migrate to and bring their families, cousins, mothers fathers uncle and aunts?

Why doesn't the fear of being discriminated against turn them elsewhere, like the Philippines, Egypt, Indonesia, How about Iran, it protects its Muslims. There are many places in the world that would accept the religion and ideology of the Muslims.

Those are actually interesting questions.

ME: I wonder if we can get some interesting answers, instead of just rants against the places they enter. What is it in their own country that they must take such a dramatic change of lifestyle and move, to get away from?

I am Australian born, so was my father, his father and his father, so I am a little parochial about this big island. I don't mean that I am narrow minded or unable to understand other's concepts, it is just I am happy here, I helped build this European property, as did my ancients, so I believe and hope it is true, that I have some right to express my concerns relating to my homeland.

If I had some control of government thinking, I would instigate a heritage pension for old Australians, like in Japan where a person over 80 can not be booked for J walking or other petty infringements, The Japanese consider their oldies as a National Heritage.

With the amount of migrants that get onto welfare in this country, the oldies are considered a National Pest that takes away the money for politicians to buy votes elsewhere.
Got some numbers or just the usual racist rhetoric?
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7/20/2016 12:53:42 PM
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At 7/19/2016 9:26:05 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
So, how do governments address the problem of terrorist attacks?:

Research the existing Muslim groups in the community and find those that are in favour of Shari law. Put these ones on a close security watch list (It is already done now anyway). Then with immigration of further Muslims research their past and any one that agrees with any part of Shari law should have the entry declined.

This is not so easy. The terrorist who performed the latest attack in France wasn't a devout Muslim at all and this is why the security services weren't interested in him.

The only solution would be closing the borders and not letting in any Muslims at all. This is how it is done in Poland. The government doesn't let in any Muslim immigrants, including the pseudo-refugees. However, if there is already a considerable Muslim minority in some country, like in France or Belgium or Germany, there is no easy solution for that. You can't just deport millions of Muslims, many of whom were born there. Though it seems Australia doesn't have a large Muslim population like some European countries have.
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7/20/2016 1:24:39 PM
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At 7/20/2016 7:30:06 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
If the Muslims have now decided that all the terrorism is the fault of the western world, why do they keep coming to places like Australia, France, Germany, New Zealand and the US?

These countries could not be more westernized if they tried, they are all liberal countries with very liberal approach to crime, compared with Muslim ran countries.

Could that be the reason? or could it be that the countries mentioned have the best welfare system in the world today?

I would like to hear the reasons why Muslims pick these countries to migrate to and bring their families, cousins, mothers fathers uncle and aunts?

Why doesn't the fear of being discriminated against turn them elsewhere, like the Philippines, Egypt, Indonesia, How about Iran, it protects its Muslims. There are many places in the world that would accept the religion and ideology of the Muslims.

Response: At the same time, these immigrants will leave the country, but keep the religion and many freely thinking people of the West revert to Islam. So does this occur if Islam is supposed to be so bad and the West is better?

If you read history written by non-Muslim historians and Westerners themselves, they acknowledge the Sykes-Picot agreement where after WWI and WWII both ended the fall of the Caliphate, an agreement was made for division of the Muslim land by the British and French. This included the support of political leaders in Muslim lands for their own interests, and an agreement to take Palestine from the Muslims and establish Israel. Even the state of Lebanon was never an independent state ever until this division.

As a result, radical movements in Muslim lands rose up to overthrow the political influence and economic control that was being forced upon them by leaders who the West themselves aided and supported to rule the land for their own interests. This is why they are leaving Muslim lands. Not because of the religion, but because of the bad governments resulting from colonialization by the West.
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7/21/2016 2:53:43 AM
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At 7/20/2016 1:24:39 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/20/2016 7:30:06 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
If the Muslims have now decided that all the terrorism is the fault of the western world, why do they keep coming to places like Australia, France, Germany, New Zealand and the US?

These countries could not be more westernized if they tried, they are all liberal countries with very liberal approach to crime, compared with Muslim ran countries.

Could that be the reason? or could it be that the countries mentioned have the best welfare system in the world today?

I would like to hear the reasons why Muslims pick these countries to migrate to and bring their families, cousins, mothers fathers uncle and aunts?

Why doesn't the fear of being discriminated against turn them elsewhere, like the Philippines, Egypt, Indonesia, How about Iran, it protects its Muslims. There are many places in the world that would accept the religion and ideology of the Muslims.

Response: At the same time, these immigrants will leave the country, but keep the religion and many freely thinking people of the West revert to Islam. So does this occur if Islam is supposed to be so bad and the West is better?

If you read history written by non-Muslim historians and Westerners themselves, they acknowledge the Sykes-Picot agreement where after WWI and WWII both ended the fall of the Caliphate, an agreement was made for division of the Muslim land by the British and French. This included the support of political leaders in Muslim lands for their own interests, and an agreement to take Palestine from the Muslims and establish Israel. Even the state of Lebanon was never an independent state ever until this division.

As a result, radical movements in Muslim lands rose up to overthrow the political influence and economic control that was being forced upon them by leaders who the West themselves aided and supported to rule the land for their own interests. This is why they are leaving Muslim lands. Not because of the religion, but because of the bad governments resulting from colonialization by the West.

ME: Yes, that is history. I agree that the reasons give, by governments, for invading or causing uprisings in these countries is never about what they promote, it is usually about oil. The US uses 4% of the worlds oil production, so they do have a vested interest in these countries.

They are some of the facts, but I say that democracy is the way to stop this continual fighting in the "US purchased" countries or the Islamic countries. And this is where I see the conflict. The places that the Muslims and others, of course, try to get to are democratic countries, and yet after a while thee seems to be some rebellion of the laws of these democratic countries. Why is that? Is it some need to make the new home like the old home, or what?

Australia is an extremely liberal country. The laws hardly ever reflect the communities expectations in penalties. New commers to this country, if they are of a religion that is like the Islamic denominations, are give large subsidies to build their own schools. There are given over a million dollars a year subsidy, like the Catholci Schools. There is a limit of the time allowed on religious instruction at the schools, but it has been found the the "good Muslims" do not heed these laws, and even use unregistered schools teachers a these private schools.

These Private schools have swimming pols, tennis courts and gymnasiums, which is never seen in public schools which are filled with Australians of various ethnic backgrounds and religions, so this attitude of subsidizing Muslim schools leads the average Australian to think that the politicians are frightened of the voting power of the one that have the benefits above the rest of Australia. Could be wrong, but it is a perception.

It gets worse when there is a case of a school principle of a Muslim school absconded with the subsidy of over one million dollars and the "good Muslims" that were left behind were afraid they would lose the next years subsidy if they informed the authorities. As it happened the authorities had a close watch on these schools in the early days of its administration. That money is gone and will never be recovered.
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7/22/2016 2:22:21 AM
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At 7/20/2016 1:18:37 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/20/2016 12:31:33 AM, Peternosaint wrote:

ME: Regardless of the rants in the previous post, I have a personal opinion of the world population. 'We are all citizens of the world, it is borders created by man, that has cause the racial divide'. Because of economic, health reasons, agricultural health and a few other things we cannot have people just wandering the world and setting up their own lifestyles where ever they wish. This will only be available to mankind after the earth is cleansed and returned to a paradise condition. With this great mix of citizens of the world, thee are those that do things I don't agree with, and I am sure they do no agree with me; however I respect their right to disagree and demand the same respect.

As far as trying to work things out with Muslims in your country, that should have been done, but I guess no one had the ability to see into the future. Now, it is too late to go softly slowly, something must be done before more and more are murdered by radical groups.

Response: True. Yet nothing will be accomplished as long as the non-Muslims who are in power of the media and government in the West do not give good Muslims the aid and platform to make the change.

Why don't Muslims ever take responsibility for their own sh*t. You blame the west for everything, and now for your own inability to speak out against Muslim atrocities. Shameful and cowardly. Islam needs to wake up, grow up and join the 21st century.
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7/22/2016 4:26:38 AM
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Many people in many countries fear Muslims and are trying to come up with ways to protect themselves from terrorist attacks.

One concept, spouted by an Australian politician, now gaining support is to stop Muslim immigration into this country.

What do Australian think about the Muslim population?:

All Muslims are potential terrorists. Muslims come to this country to escape the hazards of their old country and then try to change this country to suit their desires.

Even Muslims born here do not want to assimilate with the rest of the Australian Nation. There are more reasons why the average Australian, the ones of Australian heritage and the newer ones with multi cultural back grounds have different ideas, but none are based on religious belief, just the fear that the Crazy, Jehad's have stirred up in the world.

The concept of a Caliphate combined with the war lord history of Islam, which started with Abraham's son Ishmael, from his wife's slave girls offering to bear the Matriarch a child, began on a tribal, war lord institution that has continued down through the ages.

Muslims kill Muslims and have no problem with that as t hey cover it by being a different denomination of Islam. So do the so called Christians.

I do not believe that it is within the governments of the world's capability to solve this problem, where ISIS wants to kill the infidels, establish a Caliphate and rule the world after they bring on the Apocalypse. They d o not have it in their hearts to cooperate with each other let alone anyone else.

So, how do governments address the problem of terrorist attacks?:

Research the existing Muslim groups in the community and find those that are in favour of Shari law. Put these ones on a close security watch list (It is already done now anyway). Then with immigration of further Muslims research their past and any one that agrees with any part of Shari law should have the entry declined.

This is not discrimination, it is the same as putting out a grass fire before it burns your house down.

If there was the concern, that the do gooders and the Muslim groups that wish to make out that they are hard done by, they would be more helpful in rooting out the Shari, Brain Washed Radicals.

Muslims, in the Camel driving industry, were here in this country in the 1800s, as was many other ethnic groups, so who can stand up and say...Go Home!!!!

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7/22/2016 6:18:47 AM
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At 7/20/2016 12:53:42 PM, AnnaCzereda wrote:
At 7/19/2016 9:26:05 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
So, how do governments address the problem of terrorist attacks?:

Research the existing Muslim groups in the community and find those that are in favour of Shari law. Put these ones on a close security watch list (It is already done now anyway). Then with immigration of further Muslims research their past and any one that agrees with any part of Shari law should have the entry declined.

This is not so easy. The terrorist who performed the latest attack in France wasn't a devout Muslim at all and this is why the security services weren't interested in him.

ME: ISIS, who sent his family a large amount of money days before the attack called him a "Soldier of Islam"

The only solution would be closing the borders and not letting in any Muslims at all. This is how it is done in Poland. The government doesn't let in any Muslim immigrants, including the pseudo-refugees. However, if there is already a considerable Muslim minority in some country, like in France or Belgium or Germany, there is no easy solution for that. You can't just deport millions of Muslims, many of whom were born there. Though it seems Australia doesn't have a large Muslim population like some European countries have.

ME: Large for the population mix. in 2011 the count was 2.2% of the total population.

It is not the number so much as that fact that they are way different in ethnicity and cultural needs the they are noticed. It didn't take long before the Rent-a-Mob protest group found that if have people walk on a bridge you will think that the number is far in excess of the actual count.

Australia and its laid back occupants is not a good place to expect great difference will be readily accepted. Even the earlier migration of Greeks and Italians have problems with assimilating with Muslims, especially when the Muslim radicals continue to attack our infrastructure like the last few days has shown. Australians do not like there war memorials disgraced, they don't like the attacks on police or even t he now popular home invasions that happen on a regular basis, so there is always going to be an exaggerated opinion on any Muslim in the country.

If the protests die down on one side the other side will come out again to stir the pot, that is the nature of the disruptive groups in our society.
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7/22/2016 6:24:51 AM
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At 7/19/2016 7:53:49 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/19/2016 9:26:05 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
Many people in many countries fear Muslims and are trying to come up with ways to protect themselves from terrorist attacks.

One concept, spouted by an Australian politician, now gaining support is to stop Muslim immigration into this country.

What do Australian think about the Muslim population?:

All Muslims are potential terrorists. Muslims come to this country to escape the hazards of their old country and then try to change this country to suit their desires.

Even Muslims born here do not want to assimilate with the rest of the Australian Nation. There are more reasons why the average Australian, the ones of Australian heritage and the newer ones with multi cultural back grounds have different ideas, but none are based on religious belief, just the fear that the Crazy, Jehad's have stirred up in the world.

The concept of a Caliphate combined with the war lord history of Islam, which started with Abraham's son Ishmael, from his wife's slave girls offering to bear the Matriarch a child, began on a tribal, war lord institution that has continued down through the ages.

Muslims kill Muslims and have no problem with that as t hey cover it by being a different denomination of Islam. So do the so called Christians.

I do not believe that it is within the governments of the world's capability to solve this problem, where ISIS wants to kill the infidels, establish a Caliphate and rule the world after they bring on the Apocalypse. They d o not have it in their hearts to cooperate with each other let alone anyone else.

So, how do governments address the problem of terrorist attacks?:

Research the existing Muslim groups in the community and find those that are in favour of Shari law. Put these ones on a close security watch list (It is already done now anyway). Then with immigration of further Muslims research their past and any one that agrees with any part of Shari law should have the entry declined.

This is not discrimination, it is the same as putting out a grass fire before it burns your house down.

If there was the concern, that the do gooders and the Muslim groups that wish to make out that they are hard done by, they would be more helpful in rooting out the Shari, Brain Washed Radicals.

Muslims, in the Camel driving industry, were here in this country in the 1800s, as was many other ethnic groups, so who can stand up and say...Go Home!!!!

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Response: Many thinkers agree that the vast majority of Muslims are still peaceful and not terrorists. At the same time, it is the West (non-Muslim authority) who have the greatest power and authority to overthrow a Muslim country.

So the solution is simple. It's not a case of Muslims saying something, but non-Muslims working with good Muslims by using their authority to give good Muslims a platform in the West. That means media outlets and more reports of the beauty of Islam. Additionally, the same way the West set up Israel, they can set up a Muslim nation by allowing a Western Muslim who is good to rule a Muslim country with the help of a western army.

The solution is simple. Whites were willing to work with Blacks in America and share their platform, which allowed Blacks to be free in America. The same has to occur with non-Muslims with Good Muslims. The problem is no one who is non-Muslim is willing to stand for Muslims and say outwardly that Muslims and Islam is a great religion. Until non-Muslims do so, terrorist will continue to gain momentum.

Moslems haven't been capable or willing to get along with themselves, let alone others!

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At 7/22/2016 2:22:21 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:18:37 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/20/2016 12:31:33 AM, Peternosaint wrote:

ME: Regardless of the rants in the previous post, I have a personal opinion of the world population. 'We are all citizens of the world, it is borders created by man, that has cause the racial divide'. Because of economic, health reasons, agricultural health and a few other things we cannot have people just wandering the world and setting up their own lifestyles where ever they wish. This will only be available to mankind after the earth is cleansed and returned to a paradise condition. With this great mix of citizens of the world, thee are those that do things I don't agree with, and I am sure they do no agree with me; however I respect their right to disagree and demand the same respect.

As far as trying to work things out with Muslims in your country, that should have been done, but I guess no one had the ability to see into the future. Now, it is too late to go softly slowly, something must be done before more and more are murdered by radical groups.

Response: True. Yet nothing will be accomplished as long as the non-Muslims who are in power of the media and government in the West do not give good Muslims the aid and platform to make the change.

Why don't Muslims ever take responsibility for their own sh*t. You blame the west for everything, and now for your own inability to speak out against Muslim atrocities. Shameful and cowardly. Islam needs to wake up, grow up and join the 21st century.

ME: That is simple to answer IMO. If the Muslims, or any minority group, pick the country, like Australia, which have Lilly livered politicians, and these groups keep making noises about unfair treatment, discrimination, hate from others in the community, poor care taken of the groups, 'we want we want we want' and etc and etc, as it goes on the amount of demands that are 'considered', then the politicians will scurry around looking for votes, not solutions but votes, preceded by lies like..".If you elect me I promise to fix all you troubles."

Of Course, they wont, as if they fix something they wont have a promise for next election.

It is not you, nor the Muslims, nor the Italians, nor the boat people, nor the Greeks, it is the politicians of the nations that they can only see a vote in any problem, and have no ability to see a a way of solving the woes of the world.

Satan is the lord of this world, and he is in a great rage to create as much strife as he possibly can in the short time he has left.

However, there is Justice ahead, and The great Creator will fix his world and clear all the wickedness, as he promised

If the Christian Bible is wrong, so be it, if it is correct I want to spend my life close to the message it offers. It is not a great burden to believe and have hope. What is on offer elsewhere?
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At 7/22/2016 6:36:02 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 7/22/2016 2:22:21 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:18:37 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/20/2016 12:31:33 AM, Peternosaint wrote:

ME: Regardless of the rants in the previous post, I have a personal opinion of the world population. 'We are all citizens of the world, it is borders created by man, that has cause the racial divide'. Because of economic, health reasons, agricultural health and a few other things we cannot have people just wandering the world and setting up their own lifestyles where ever they wish. This will only be available to mankind after the earth is cleansed and returned to a paradise condition. With this great mix of citizens of the world, thee are those that do things I don't agree with, and I am sure they do no agree with me; however I respect their right to disagree and demand the same respect.

As far as trying to work things out with Muslims in your country, that should have been done, but I guess no one had the ability to see into the future. Now, it is too late to go softly slowly, something must be done before more and more are murdered by radical groups.

Response: True. Yet nothing will be accomplished as long as the non-Muslims who are in power of the media and government in the West do not give good Muslims the aid and platform to make the change.

Why don't Muslims ever take responsibility for their own sh*t. You blame the west for everything, and now for your own inability to speak out against Muslim atrocities. Shameful and cowardly. Islam needs to wake up, grow up and join the 21st century.

ME: That is simple to answer IMO. If the Muslims, or any minority group, pick the country, like Australia, which have Lilly livered politicians, and these groups keep making noises about unfair treatment, discrimination, hate from others in the community, poor care taken of the groups, 'we want we want we want' and etc and etc, as it goes on the amount of demands that are 'considered', then the politicians will scurry around looking for votes, not solutions but votes, preceded by lies like..".If you elect me I promise to fix all you troubles."

Of Course, they wont, as if they fix something they wont have a promise for next election.

It is not you, nor the Muslims, nor the Italians, nor the boat people, nor the Greeks, it is the politicians of the nations that they can only see a vote in any problem, and have no ability to see a a way of solving the woes of the world.

Satan is the lord of this world, and he is in a great rage to create as much strife as he possibly can in the short time he has left.

However, there is Justice ahead, and The great Creator will fix his world and clear all the wickedness, as he promised

If the Christian Bible is wrong, so be it, if it is correct I want to spend my life close to the message it offers. It is not a great burden to believe and have hope. What is on offer elsewhere?
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7/22/2016 10:57:27 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/20/2016 12:58:32 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 7/19/2016 5:23:48 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:


brainwashed propoganda number 1 - muslims = relations to terrorisim always.

ME: Are you saying that the strongest terrorist activity in the world today is perpetrated by Non-Muslims?

lol!! https://www.youtube.com...




after they destroy the muslim world they created war zones, massacres and they pointing fingers at needy ppl fleeing from what they created.


What do Australian think about the Muslim population?:



i see u dont know anything about ppl. "all" means u r an idiot. even if u take 2 ppl they have drastic differences for why they behaving the way they do. from pshychology, childhood to health status to wealth...

ME: You are obviously of the angry mind set of the ISIS group and do not read what is said...

yeah speak for me now nonsense.

I was proposing the thoughts of the average Australian, which is becoming more and more talked about...

which the brainwashing comes from the media.

It is not necessarily my personal opinion..Making stupid and unnecessary comment about me is ridiculous. You show good reason why some Muslims cannot be assimilated into decent society.

yeah absolutely. u said "all" that is stupid. admit it.




yeah u asked them one by one or u hear such nonsense from the media propoganda.

ME: That come from the head religious leader of the Muslims in this country.

i dont trust u and if so what he mean by that? in what sense? face value accusation.




such stupidity... Australian "heritage" just some years ago before the europeans came to this land to take it by force, rape, massacre and genecide from some ppl by the name of aborigines. and what stupid ideas u have about jihad. before u start to chant please explain what is the meaning of "jihad" from what u have understood. dont go to google search. and which "jihad" is taking of the world? r u joking me? its the empire of US is taking the world they have 1000+ military bases all over the world where do u find "jihadist" military bases from other lands of themselves?

ME: Settle down, say a prayer fro peace and calm.

lol cant answer that one.




r u serious? what is caliphate please explain again without internet searching. what it has to do iwth abraham for gods sake.

ME: That is where you creed/nation/religion started,don't you know your history?

again dont have any answer... try to escape more.




which muslims do that? how many out of 1.8 billion of muslims all over the world. 1 out of 5 ppl is a muslim worldwide.

ME: Isis is killing Muslims at will. The first one killed in the recent massacre in France, was the baby son of a devout Muslim.

stalin was son of a devout christian mother. u cant see your stupidity right? why u allways generalizing man... 1 muslim did it = all muslim did it. amazing logic. in america every 100 secs woman is raped. oh wait all chrisitains like that. isnt?


In cases where the religious affiliation of terrorism casualties could be determined, Muslims suffered between 82 and 97% of terrorism-related fatalities over the past five years.

Robert Pape (https://en.wikipedia.org...)
"little connection between suicide terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism, or any one of the world"s religions... . Rather, what nearly all suicide terrorist attacks have in common is a specific secular and strategic goal: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from territory that the terrorists consider to be their homeland" (p. 4). "The taproot of suicide terrorism is nationalism," he argues; it is "an extreme strategy for national liberation" (pp. 79"80). Pape's work examines groups such as the Al-Qaeda to the Sri Lankan Tamil Tigers. Pape also notably provides further evidence to a growing body of literature that finds that the majority of suicide terrorists do not come from impoverished or uneducated backgrounds, but rather have middle class origins and a significant level of education."





ISIS is created by United snakes of America and his whores. they get funded by them.

ME: Needs proof.

wow who created al qaida? who funded the rebels in syria and libya? u dont know anything man.





how do u address that u always find military occupation in muslims lands by the west and u dont find any muslim military invading even 1 non muslim land? please explain.

ME: The most problems come from those lands, do you not think that Iran would wipe out Israel, the US, and any other non-Muslim run country if it thought it would get away with it. But that is getting off track a bit. Let me ask you this, would you sit down with the government of the country and come to an agreement that you would help stamp out terrorism?

which probelms? the problem your goverments have is that they need oil. before u talking about iran "wiping out" israel by atom bombs, USA has thousands of atom/nitrogen bombs, the only country who bombed others by it, threatening anybody in the world with these, israel has 100+ bombs like that, 16 already near coast of iran in submarines ready to wipe out them and can hit every place in iran. before u talking nonsense look who threatening who. iran is surrounded by US bases.

its not "shari" its shariah. please explain what is shariah? which law? who dicide it?





"To generalize is to be an idiot" - William Blake

ME: To let the house burn down if it can be prevented is more idiotic....



i dont know ppl who r more charitable than muslims. your pathetic logic kills me.

ME: Maybe that is the solution then?????

if u dont know islam has 5 pillars and one of them is charity. and no u dont have in them "jihad" wowowowo so scary these muslims...




which muslims?? lol!! "camel driving industry"... wow amazing how the media can make zombies out of ppl

ME: You are treading in very muddy water.The history of Muslims in this country goes back to the 1800s. There is a relic Mosque in Broken hill. The Afghan Camel drivers worked that Outback for many years carting goods around the harsh interior. There is a railway train service operating that is called "The Gahn" in memory of these men and their families.

if u talking about some few ppl that is ridiculous. change your think from "generalizing" to normal.



Comments:

so from your first post i see u dont know about politics, religion and islam, propoganda and media manipulation, your idiotic pathetic generalisations misleading face value misrepresenting lies and smearing just shows u r from the common ppl. TV news is your brain good luck with that.

ME: This is what is meant by brain washed, you have not even seen the word "Comment", but you commented anyway, but with rants and abuse. This is the typical radical ideals of the terrorists. This is what this country, and other are afraid.

yeah now im "radical terrorist wow such face value approach. when i exposed try blame me now. they r "afraid" but they dont afraid to send their sons to war to others lands to kill millions for stealing oil.


Your last paragraph is filled with the generalized rants that are heard daily from the mouths of people that are creating the hate for themselves.

sure u r right... im the problem ppl hate me xD

However, I do believe that you have done a good thing for this situation, as it shows different sides to a very dangerous discussion.

debate its not dengerous, dangerous is when your fellow country goes to war to kill millions of muslims for oil. that is scary im afraid of u man u westrens always invate other ppl lands im scared now please dont invade m
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7/22/2016 11:05:07 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 7:17:05 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 7/22/2016 6:36:02 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 7/22/2016 2:22:21 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:18:37 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/20/2016 12:31:33 AM, Peternosaint wrote:

ME: Regardless of the rants in the previous post, I have a personal opinion of the world population. 'We are all citizens of the world, it is borders created by man, that has cause the racial divide'. Because of economic, health reasons, agricultural health and a few other things we cannot have people just wandering the world and setting up their own lifestyles where ever they wish. This will only be available to mankind after the earth is cleansed and returned to a paradise condition. With this great mix of citizens of the world, thee are those that do things I don't agree with, and I am sure they do no agree with me; however I respect their right to disagree and demand the same respect.

As far as trying to work things out with Muslims in your country, that should have been done, but I guess no one had the ability to see into the future. Now, it is too late to go softly slowly, something must be done before more and more are murdered by radical groups.

Response: True. Yet nothing will be accomplished as long as the non-Muslims who are in power of the media and government in the West do not give good Muslims the aid and platform to make the change.

Why don't Muslims ever take responsibility for their own sh*t. You blame the west for everything, and now for your own inability to speak out against Muslim atrocities. Shameful and cowardly. Islam needs to wake up, grow up and join the 21st century.

ME: That is simple to answer IMO. If the Muslims, or any minority group, pick the country, like Australia, which have Lilly livered politicians, and these groups keep making noises about unfair treatment, discrimination, hate from others in the community, poor care taken of the groups, 'we want we want we want' and etc and etc, as it goes on the amount of demands that are 'considered', then the politicians will scurry around looking for votes, not solutions but votes, preceded by lies like..".If you elect me I promise to fix all you troubles."

Of Course, they wont, as if they fix something they wont have a promise for next election.

It is not you, nor the Muslims, nor the Italians, nor the boat people, nor the Greeks, it is the politicians of the nations that they can only see a vote in any problem, and have no ability to see a a way of solving the woes of the world.

Satan is the lord of this world, and he is in a great rage to create as much strife as he possibly can in the short time he has left.

However, there is Justice ahead, and The great Creator will fix his world and clear all the wickedness, as he promised

If the Christian Bible is wrong, so be it, if it is correct I want to spend my life close to the message it offers. It is not a great burden to believe and have hope. What is on offer elsewhere?
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7/22/2016 11:05:49 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 11:05:07 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 7/22/2016 7:17:05 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 7/22/2016 6:36:02 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 7/22/2016 2:22:21 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:18:37 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/20/2016 12:31:33 AM, Peternosaint wrote:

ME: Regardless of the rants in the previous post, I have a personal opinion of the world population. 'We are all citizens of the world, it is borders created by man, that has cause the racial divide'. Because of economic, health reasons, agricultural health and a few other things we cannot have people just wandering the world and setting up their own lifestyles where ever they wish. This will only be available to mankind after the earth is cleansed and returned to a paradise condition. With this great mix of citizens of the world, thee are those that do things I don't agree with, and I am sure they do no agree with me; however I respect their right to disagree and demand the same respect.

As far as trying to work things out with Muslims in your country, that should have been done, but I guess no one had the ability to see into the future. Now, it is too late to go softly slowly, something must be done before more and more are murdered by radical groups.

Response: True. Yet nothing will be accomplished as long as the non-Muslims who are in power of the media and government in the West do not give good Muslims the aid and platform to make the change.

Why don't Muslims ever take responsibility for their own sh*t. You blame the west for everything, and now for your own inability to speak out against Muslim atrocities. Shameful and cowardly. Islam needs to wake up, grow up and join the 21st century.

ME: That is simple to answer IMO. If the Muslims, or any minority group, pick the country, like Australia, which have Lilly livered politicians, and these groups keep making noises about unfair treatment, discrimination, hate from others in the community, poor care taken of the groups, 'we want we want we want' and etc and etc, as it goes on the amount of demands that are 'considered', then the politicians will scurry around looking for votes, not solutions but votes, preceded by lies like..".If you elect me I promise to fix all you troubles."

Of Course, they wont, as if they fix something they wont have a promise for next election.

It is not you, nor the Muslims, nor the Italians, nor the boat people, nor the Greeks, it is the politicians of the nations that they can only see a vote in any problem, and have no ability to see a a way of solving the woes of the world.

Satan is the lord of this world, and he is in a great rage to create as much strife as he possibly can in the short time he has left.

However, there is Justice ahead, and The great Creator will fix his world and clear all the wickedness, as he promised

If the Christian Bible is wrong, so be it, if it is correct I want to spend my life close to the message it offers. It is not a great burden to believe and have hope. What is on offer elsewhere?
75yrs old and as ignorant as a rock.
Go you good thing.

bullpoop dont own ppl do much xD

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