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Outplayz
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7/19/2016 6:42:35 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
Energy is neither created or destroyed
Energy needs space
Space is neither created or destroyed
Energy takes time to move
Time is neither created or destroyed
C1: Space, energy and time are infinite
Matter is infinite within space, energy and time
Matter is not observable (Anti-matter)
Matter becomes observable
Both are infinite within C1
Both observable/undetectable Matter take form and purpose
C2: God is the infinite evolution within space, energy and time
C3: There is no God... only consciousness evolving.
C4: We are all Gods.

=)
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7/19/2016 6:48:14 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/19/2016 6:42:35 PM, Outplayz wrote:
Energy is neither created or destroyed
Energy needs space
Space is neither created or destroyed
Energy takes time to move
Time is neither created or destroyed
C1: Space, energy and time are infinite
Matter is infinite within space, energy and time
Matter is not observable (Anti-matter)
Matter becomes observable
Both are infinite within C1
Both observable/undetectable Matter take form and purpose
C2: God is the infinite evolution within space, energy and time
C3: There is no God... only consciousness evolving.
C4: We are all Gods.

=)

While I dont believe in a God, I think most would argue that God is the uncaused first cause.
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7/19/2016 7:58:50 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/19/2016 6:48:14 PM, jsmill wrote:
At 7/19/2016 6:42:35 PM, Outplayz wrote:
Energy is neither created or destroyed
Energy needs space
Space is neither created or destroyed
Energy takes time to move
Time is neither created or destroyed
C1: Space, energy and time are infinite
Matter is infinite within space, energy and time
Matter is not observable (Anti-matter)
Matter becomes observable
Both are infinite within C1
Both observable/undetectable Matter take form and purpose
C2: God is the infinite evolution within space, energy and time
C3: There is no God... only consciousness evolving.
C4: We are all Gods.

=)

While I dont believe in a God, I think most would argue that God is the uncaused first cause.

I differ. I think we evolved, first void of matter, made into matter by desires, desires being signs of consciousness, consciousness evolving and has been evolving for, well ever. It was first undetectable bc it did not have the desire or know of to be observable until it evolved to the point were it was... that was the evolution of the, i guess universe and all of us... when matter became...

My whole argument revolves around the idea of "intelligence" being another force of the universe... both visible and invisible. I am just asserting that it evolved first, invisible and infinite. Being mortal and finite, is just a desire it evolved to know.
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7/19/2016 9:18:26 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/19/2016 6:42:35 PM, Outplayz wrote:
Energy is neither created or destroyed
Energy needs space
Space is neither created or destroyed
Energy takes time to move
Time is neither created or destroyed
C1: Space, energy and time are infinite
Matter is infinite within space, energy and time
Matter is not observable (Anti-matter)
Matter becomes observable
Both are infinite within C1
Both observable/undetectable Matter take form and purpose
C2: God is the infinite evolution within space, energy and time
C3: There is no God... only consciousness evolving.
C4: We are all Gods.

=)

You must be smiling at your contradictions. :)
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7/20/2016 1:07:51 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/19/2016 9:18:26 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 7/19/2016 6:42:35 PM, Outplayz wrote:
Energy is neither created or destroyed
Energy needs space
Space is neither created or destroyed
Energy takes time to move
Time is neither created or destroyed
C1: Space, energy and time are infinite
Matter is infinite within space, energy and time
Matter is not observable (Anti-matter)
Matter becomes observable
Both are infinite within C1
Both observable/undetectable Matter take form and purpose
C2: God is the infinite evolution within space, energy and time
C3: There is no God... only consciousness evolving.
C4: We are all Gods.

=)

You must be smiling at your contradictions. :)

Haha sorta. I free handed this at work. In the end, it follows my own line of reasoning in regards to my belief. Most of the contradictions are in the definitions, i understand. I wanted to make this so both atheists and theists can debate this with me, the end goal is to test my own belief. So... first things first, god, i simply define as an immortal consciousness. Basically that is the end game of my belief, that we are all immortal consciousness manifested into mortality for an experience - whatever that may be.

I can only attest to what i am and my own mortality or immortality, it is hard enough figuring that out. So, i don't generalize to the attributes, purpose, so on of others. However, my belief is simply that what you are now, is the same immortal. In this, one can be a god of unimaginable talents and skill, or one can be a god of filth. I just can't generalize all of it other than myself... i am a god of who i am, as i keep figuring myself out as we / i go along on this planet.

Go ahead and tell me all the contradictions you see or feel is not logical. I will do my best in addressing it. My belief is highly malleable, but in the end, the conclusion is always the same... i am immortal and a god of my own capacity. What capacity are others? Don't know, but they seem to fit into this world fine. I mean, if they didn't they would be dead or not here.
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7/20/2016 6:08:18 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/19/2016 6:42:35 PM, Outplayz wrote:
Energy is neither created or destroyed
Energy needs space
Space is neither created or destroyed
Energy takes time to move
Time is neither created or destroyed
C1: Space, energy and time are infinite
Matter is infinite within space, energy and time
Matter is not observable (Anti-matter)
Matter becomes observable
Both are infinite within C1
Both observable/undetectable Matter take form and purpose
C2: God is the infinite evolution within space, energy and time
C3: There is no God... only consciousness evolving.
C4: We are all Gods.

=)

There is a part of divine in us.
(This is not a goodbye message. I may or may not come back after ten years.)
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7/20/2016 1:43:50 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/19/2016 6:42:35 PM, Outplayz wrote:
Energy is neither created or destroyed
Energy needs space
Space is neither created or destroyed
Energy takes time to move
Time is neither created or destroyed
C1: Space, energy and time are infinite
Matter is infinite within space, energy and time
Matter is not observable (Anti-matter)
Matter becomes observable
Both are infinite within C1
Both observable/undetectable Matter take form and purpose
C2: God is the infinite evolution within space, energy and time
C3: There is no God... only consciousness evolving.
C4: We are all Gods.

=)

Have you considered the possibility that God exists outside a universe and therefore has no brain, energy, or physical design - in other words, the sun (and brains) would be representation of what God has, though God never existed in a universe with a sun or a brain. Maybe the universe is the equivalent of an idea in our world.

The real question is: why aren't you trying to figure out where all the dead people are going every night.
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7/20/2016 2:11:12 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/19/2016 6:42:35 PM, Outplayz wrote:
Energy is neither created or destroyed
Energy needs space
Space is neither created or destroyed
Energy takes time to move
Time is neither created or destroyed
C1: Space, energy and time are infinite
Matter is infinite within space, energy and time
Matter is not observable (Anti-matter)
Matter becomes observable
Both are infinite within C1
Both observable/undetectable Matter take form and purpose
C2: God is the infinite evolution within space, energy and time
C3: There is no God... only consciousness evolving.
C4: We are all Gods.

=)

it's a good question. to answer this, I ask you a couple of questions. now I've posted these in other places and some people tried to counter it, but they couldn't, and therefor decided to counter it with vague assertions and bad language.

1- do you exist?
2- are you existence?
3- are you separated from existence or you're a manifestation of it?
4- is existence itself limited or unlimited?
5- is existence created? if so by what?
6- can existence be divided?
7- can something exist and not be a manifestation of existence?
8- can existence itself have a start?

another way:

existence is not essential to us. we might exist, we might not. so, how do the creatures of possible existence come to be? (if not by a being that exists beyond everything?)
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7/20/2016 8:10:21 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/20/2016 1:07:51 AM, Outplayz wrote:
...i am immortal

I would like to know why you believe so.
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7/21/2016 7:50:19 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/20/2016 6:08:18 AM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 7/19/2016 6:42:35 PM, Outplayz wrote:
Energy is neither created or destroyed
Energy needs space
Space is neither created or destroyed
Energy takes time to move
Time is neither created or destroyed
C1: Space, energy and time are infinite
Matter is infinite within space, energy and time
Matter is not observable (Anti-matter)
Matter becomes observable
Both are infinite within C1
Both observable/undetectable Matter take form and purpose
C2: God is the infinite evolution within space, energy and time
C3: There is no God... only consciousness evolving.
C4: We are all Gods.

=)

There is a part of divine in us.

I believe so, but i believe whatever part it is or has taken, it is deistic in nature (willingly). I can only follow what i observe of the human race and human attributes, from that, it is logical to think that an immortal type of consciousness would rather be social vs. in control of everything. No one would want eternity to be alone, which is what a creator that creates from imagination would be (solipsistic in nature). I believe our free will is in our immortality, given by the first, to manifest into livable experiences (mortality).
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7/21/2016 7:50:23 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/20/2016 8:10:21 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 7/20/2016 1:07:51 AM, Outplayz wrote:
...i am immortal

I would like to know why you believe so.

Faith, a suspicion, a belief... nothing i can sit here and give you hard proof (according to the scientific methods we use). It is also a bit of a leap from experiences i have had. Experiences throughout my life have given me my belief, but i am well aware that i don't have to jump to the conclusion of "immortal" or "afterlife." Although, i have experiences that are unexplained and/or seem supernatural, there very well can be natural explanations for them in the future. So, again, it comes down to belief and/or faith in my intuition or thoughts. I have made a spiritual platform that i follow that answers this question and gives me confidence that it "may" be true. I am not a 100 %'r on a afterlife belief, but 80% or so sure... which i understand is still a significant positive on mere conjectures... so a leap in the end of the day. It just makes sense in how i have built my spiritual platform.
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7/21/2016 7:50:27 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/20/2016 1:43:50 PM, IsMyCoreRecorded4Transfer wrote:
At 7/19/2016 6:42:35 PM, Outplayz wrote:
Energy is neither created or destroyed
Energy needs space
Space is neither created or destroyed
Energy takes time to move
Time is neither created or destroyed
C1: Space, energy and time are infinite
Matter is infinite within space, energy and time
Matter is not observable (Anti-matter)
Matter becomes observable
Both are infinite within C1
Both observable/undetectable Matter take form and purpose
C2: God is the infinite evolution within space, energy and time
C3: There is no God... only consciousness evolving.
C4: We are all Gods.

=)





Have you considered the possibility that God exists outside a universe and therefore has no brain, energy, or physical design - in other words, the sun (and brains) would be representation of what God has, though God never existed in a universe with a sun or a brain. Maybe the universe is the equivalent of an idea in our world.

I have no disagreement that this may be true. However, if i just simply follow the logic of what i observe here and now, it would be a better guess to say this god has some / all human attributes vs the latter. This is why i do not think it would be only one god, but many... bc for any human, an eternity alone would be hell after they have learned of social life.

The real question is: why aren't you trying to figure out where all the dead people are going every night.

I have conjectures for this, and it stems from this belief i set forth. I think we are immortal / mortals. Mortality being a creation of immortality to live experiences, or simply live. Where do we go next? I feel it is up to the observer. You have a certain character that can have a role in many realities. You just have to manifest it into those realities. If you look at it as a movie analogy, you can either have part 2 of a human experience or an entire new movie. I feel it is the last desire you have when you die, so it can be different and subjective. SO... really, i can't say where all dead people are going bc it can be in so many different realities. However, i feel in your immortal state you will have a different understanding depending on how old of a source you are / how many experiences you have already had. Ultimately, think about it like this. Have you ever thought, "it would be cool to play that role or character" you see in a movie. Something like that, you will just go into a reality that allows you to play such character. For example, where could i go... well, maybe i will be a vampire for 1000 years. I would have to go to a reality that allows this character. Most importantly, i would want to die out of that reality, to get back to my immortality, and perhaps live in a medieval type reality next... it is up to you and your self awareness.
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7/21/2016 7:51:54 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/20/2016 2:11:12 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 7/19/2016 6:42:35 PM, Outplayz wrote:
Energy is neither created or destroyed
Energy needs space
Space is neither created or destroyed
Energy takes time to move
Time is neither created or destroyed
C1: Space, energy and time are infinite
Matter is infinite within space, energy and time
Matter is not observable (Anti-matter)
Matter becomes observable
Both are infinite within C1
Both observable/undetectable Matter take form and purpose
C2: God is the infinite evolution within space, energy and time
C3: There is no God... only consciousness evolving.
C4: We are all Gods.

=)

it's a good question. to answer this, I ask you a couple of questions. now I've posted these in other places and some people tried to counter it, but they couldn't, and therefor decided to counter it with vague assertions and bad language.

1- do you exist?
2- are you existence?
3- are you separated from existence or you're a manifestation of it?
4- is existence itself limited or unlimited?
5- is existence created? if so by what?
6- can existence be divided?
7- can something exist and not be a manifestation of existence?
8- can existence itself have a start?

another way:

existence is not essential to us. we might exist, we might not. so, how do the creatures of possible existence come to be? (if not by a being that exists beyond everything?)

i am not skipping or ignoring your question. I am at work and my break is running out. I will answer this when i get home, for it requires some thought. I can answer this from both my belief and natural ways, so i will figure that out when i address it at home. Thanks for a thoughtful question.
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7/22/2016 2:47:15 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/21/2016 7:50:19 PM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/20/2016 6:08:18 AM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 7/19/2016 6:42:35 PM, Outplayz wrote:
Energy is neither created or destroyed
Energy needs space
Space is neither created or destroyed
Energy takes time to move
Time is neither created or destroyed
C1: Space, energy and time are infinite
Matter is infinite within space, energy and time
Matter is not observable (Anti-matter)
Matter becomes observable
Both are infinite within C1
Both observable/undetectable Matter take form and purpose
C2: God is the infinite evolution within space, energy and time
C3: There is no God... only consciousness evolving.
C4: We are all Gods.

=)

There is a part of divine in us.

I believe so, but i believe whatever part it is or has taken, it is deistic in nature (willingly). I can only follow what i observe of the human race and human attributes, from that, it is logical to think that an immortal type of consciousness would rather be social vs. in control of everything. No one would want eternity to be alone, which is what a creator that creates from imagination would be (solipsistic in nature). I believe our free will is in our immortality, given by the first, to manifest into livable experiences (mortality).

Namaste is how hindus say hello. It means - ' I bow to the divine in you '.
(This is not a goodbye message. I may or may not come back after ten years.)
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7/22/2016 3:05:20 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/20/2016 2:11:12 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 7/19/2016 6:42:35 PM, Outplayz wrote:
Energy is neither created or destroyed
Energy needs space
Space is neither created or destroyed
Energy takes time to move
Time is neither created or destroyed
C1: Space, energy and time are infinite
Matter is infinite within space, energy and time
Matter is not observable (Anti-matter)
Matter becomes observable
Both are infinite within C1
Both observable/undetectable Matter take form and purpose
C2: God is the infinite evolution within space, energy and time
C3: There is no God... only consciousness evolving.
C4: We are all Gods.

=)

it's a good question. to answer this, I ask you a couple of questions. now I've posted these in other places and some people tried to counter it, but they couldn't, and therefor decided to counter it with vague assertions and bad language.

1- do you exist?

Yes.

2- are you existence?

I'm not sure if i am going to answer this from your perspective so just define it how you meant it if i don't. Yes. I am in existence, therefore, i am existence.

3- are you separated from existence or you're a manifestation of it?

I am both. Separate from existence and able to be alive in this reality due to being a manifestation of existence.

4- is existence itself limited or unlimited?

Depends. At this point it is limited. I believe in the future we will be able to create immortality in this existence, or may be able to... not sure, it is something unimaginable at this point, which i like. Why? Bc it would be a surprise if we can and following from observation how surprising humanity can be, i wouldn't rule it out. As of this point... we are limited. Ultimately, if i had to guess, even past the surprise that may be, i would still bet on limited.

5- is existence created? if so by what?

I believe existence is created by the existence of an immortal intelligence(s). I believe consciousness, intelligence, creativity, sentience, etc (which i sum up by calling it a source) was first evolved in a matter-less (invisible) immortal setting. So, existence is a manifestation of these sources to live. More so than just live, bc it can live as immortal, it is to live experiences. Being immortal and just one, or able to perceive only one reality and "self" would be hellish in my opinion. To live, is beauty.

6- can existence be divided?

I am not sure what you mean by this question so please explain it a little more so i can understand. If you mean, can it be divided, such as differences... then yes.

7- can something exist and not be a manifestation of existence?

I don't believe so. I highly doubt all of this was an accident, or a thing of random chance. I believe an immortal existence exists and we are the manifestation of these "characters." If a reality allows for existence and specific characters, they will come.

8- can existence itself have a start?

Yes. It can evolve from non-existence. Considering how we observe existence, it has evolved too... the more you live, you become existence. A new identity everyday almost... and it seems that some become more creative or smarter as they live... this is what i mean by evolution, evolution of thought. Yes, thought needs a brain to develop, however, i am taking a leap and saying the human brain is just a tool for immortal existence to manifest and control a certain experience. In essence, thought is formless in my opinion. It just needs time to evolve. I believe thought - the sources - have been evolving for quite some time... you can say infinitely but there is a finite point to it. Both outwards and inwards. What i mean is, that thought has evolved to all of the people you see here, and beyond... by beyond, take all of the characters we have imagined that don't have this platform to live... to me, all fantasy is real, but that is the point of its apex... how far have we really thought out... i am sure there is still a lot more to go for us and the sources. Inwards, i believe it started somewhere. Take darkness realizing that it is dark. Just that first step was the evolution of thought... from stick figures to actual drawings. We are still cartoon characters to what we will be.

another way:

existence is not essential to us. we might exist, we might not. so, how do the creatures of possible existence come to be? (if not by a being that exists beyond everything?)

Okay. I believe that, and i guess you can use my platform to argue it did start - first source being the first of existence. The most primitive and the most advanced. You can call this source god... however, i don't look at it as the only source, for throughout its time, many sources have been born. So, the first source very well started the evolution, but others like it were born through its evolution. So... you say "a" being... and i agree with that initially, but shortly (or a long time, not sure) after it there are now beings. If i had to conjecture how that happened, i would say the evolution of being social. The first source very well could have been by itself for a millennia, but once it created (thought) of another if itself, maybe to just see what it looks like, it created another. However, this other would be a mirror image, so it is logical to follow that it next created something not in its control. From there, if you can imagine, all of us came to be. Opposites or thoughts of the previous sources. But why not all under the control of the first source... why? Why would anyone want that kind of control? Why would anyone or thing want an eternity alone... that is what the thought of a "one god" is... Solipsistic in nature which just ends up equating to being alone. This is why i believe our true free will is in our immortality. If you want to correlate this with a god, it gave us our free will in our immortality. Why? so it can be social and live... and simply, not in control of everything. I don't understand how anyone can wish that on anything. Empathy based, i believe god, this first source, is just living like the rest of us. Enjoy the platforms it can exist in. Imagine dying and learning everything was a figment of your imagination. Very shortly, you will imagine all those that you imagined to torture or ill lives... being the creator of all of it. Now, imagine dying and just being you and a friend or family that died before you grabbing your hand and saying come check out my world. Which seems more like heaven? To me, it would be the latter. That is a generalization, but i feel the first source has been around for awhile, and better than anyone understands this idea.
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7/22/2016 3:12:54 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 2:47:15 AM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 7/21/2016 7:50:19 PM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/20/2016 6:08:18 AM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 7/19/2016 6:42:35 PM, Outplayz wrote:
Energy is neither created or destroyed
Energy needs space
Space is neither created or destroyed
Energy takes time to move
Time is neither created or destroyed
C1: Space, energy and time are infinite
Matter is infinite within space, energy and time
Matter is not observable (Anti-matter)
Matter becomes observable
Both are infinite within C1
Both observable/undetectable Matter take form and purpose
C2: God is the infinite evolution within space, energy and time
C3: There is no God... only consciousness evolving.
C4: We are all Gods.

=)

There is a part of divine in us.

I believe so, but i believe whatever part it is or has taken, it is deistic in nature (willingly). I can only follow what i observe of the human race and human attributes, from that, it is logical to think that an immortal type of consciousness would rather be social vs. in control of everything. No one would want eternity to be alone, which is what a creator that creates from imagination would be (solipsistic in nature). I believe our free will is in our immortality, given by the first, to manifest into livable experiences (mortality).

Namaste is how hindus say hello. It means - ' I bow to the divine in you '.

That is not just awesome, but humble, empowering, and overall respectful of your fellow man. I like your religion all that much more ;) I have talked with acquaintances and friends that are Hindu and it seems to have a lot of spiritual ground covered. Mostly, i like how when i talked to a friend, in the end he agreed and said, "yes, i am spiritual. If my label creates problems, i have no problem calling myself spiritual rather a religious name." This specifically comes from just one person that is Hindu that i know, so maybe it is not true and they are blaspheming, but it gained a lot of my respect if it is true that you can have that much humility more so thoughtfulness of people around you to humble yourself to that level. I just thought it was awesome.
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7/22/2016 3:13:39 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 2:47:15 AM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 7/21/2016 7:50:19 PM, Outplayz wrote:

Namaste is how hindus say hello. It means - ' I bow to the divine in you '.

So... and i forgot to add... Namaste. =)
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7/22/2016 8:07:17 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
1- do you exist?

Yes.

2- are you existence?
I'm not sure if i am going to answer this from your perspective so just define it how you meant it if i don't. Yes. I am in existence, therefore, i am existence.
I meant, are existence itself? in a sense that if you die, existence itself would end. you're in existence, and you exist, but you're just a manifestation of existence. it means that if you exist or don't, the existence itself wouldn't stop. correct?

3- are you separated from existence or you're a manifestation of it?
I am both. Separate from existence and able to be alive in this reality due to being a manifestation of existence.
so first you say you're existence, and now you're saying you're separated from it?
separation from existence, means that you don't exist. so you either exist, and are a manifestation of existence, or you don't exist.

4- is existence itself limited or unlimited?
Depends. At this point it is limited. I believe in the future we will be able to create immortality in this existence, or may be able to... not sure, it is something unimaginable at this point, which i like. Why? Bc it would be a surprise if we can and following from observation how surprising humanity can be, i wouldn't rule it out. As of this point... we are limited. Ultimately, if i had to guess, even past the surprise that may be, i would still bet on limited.
I didn't mean it as "are manifestations of existence limited or unlimited?"
if you say existence is limited, it means that it has an end. so think about that boundary. if existence had a boundary, it would mean that after that boundary, there would be nonexistence. but nonexistence doesn't exist. and something that doesn't exist, can't limit existence itself, can it?
therefor we can say that existence itself is unlimited.

5- is existence created? if so by what?
I believe existence is created by the existence of an immortal intelligence(s). I believe consciousness, intelligence, creativity, sentience, etc (which i sum up by calling it a source) was first evolved in a matter-less (invisible) immortal setting. So, existence is a manifestation of these sources to live. More so than just live, bc it can live as immortal, it is to live experiences. Being immortal and just one, or able to perceive only one reality and "self" would be hellish in my opinion. To live, is beauty.
ok. you say existence is created by immortal things. question: those things that created existence, existed or didn't exist? if you say they didn't exist, then I say something that doesn't exist, can create anything. if you say they existed, I say so existence is immortal, using your own words, and therefor, not created.

6- can existence be divided?
I am not sure what you mean by this question so please explain it a little more so i can understand. If you mean, can it be divided, such as differences... then yes.
I mean can existence itself be divided? like having two separate existences (not manifestations of it) with nonexistence between them.

7- can something exist and not be a manifestation of existence?
I don't believe so. I highly doubt all of this was an accident, or a thing of random chance. I believe an immortal existence exists and we are the manifestation of these "characters." If a reality allows for existence and specific characters, they will come.
ok. so there can be no knowledge, power, wisdom, intelligence, .... that aren't part of existence. so existence is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, ...

8- can existence itself have a start?
Yes. It can evolve from non-existence. Considering how we observe existence, it has evolved too... the more you live, you become existence. A new identity everyday almost... and it seems that some become more creative or smarter as they live... this is what i mean by evolution, evolution of thought. Yes, thought needs a brain to develop, however, i am taking a leap and saying the human brain is just a tool for immortal existence to manifest and control a certain experience. In essence, thought is formless in my opinion. It just needs time to evolve. I believe thought - the sources - have been evolving for quite some time... you can say infinitely but there is a finite point to it. Both outwards and inwards. What i mean is, that thought has evolved to all of the people you see here, and beyond... by beyond, take all of the characters we have imagined that don't have this platform to live... to me, all fantasy is real, but that is the point of its apex... how far have we really thought out... i am sure there is still a lot more to go for us and the sources. Inwards, i believe it started somewhere. Take darkness realizing that it is dark. Just that first step was the evolution of thought... from stick figures to actual drawings. We are still cartoon characters to what we will be.

OK, but bear in mind that I'm not talking about manifestations of existence, like life, thought, wisdom, ... I'm talking about existence itself. manifestations can evolve, true, but they evolve from one form (manifestation) to another. and since nonexistence doesn't exist, how can it create anything?

another way:

existence is not essential to us. we might exist, we might not. so, how do the creatures of possible existence come to be? (if not by a being that exists beyond everything?)

Okay. I believe that, and i guess you can use my platform to argue it did start - first source being the first of existence. The most primitive and the most advanced. You can call this source god... however, i don't look at it as the only source, for throughout its time, many sources have been born. So, the first source very well started the evolution, but others like it were born through its evolution. So... you say "a" being... and i agree with that initially, but shortly (or a long time, not sure) after it there are now beings. If i had to conjecture how that happened, i would say the evolution of being social. The first source very well could have been by itself for a millennia, but once it created (thought) of another if itself, maybe to just see what it looks like, it created another. However, this other would be a mirror image, so it is logical to follow that it next created something not in its control. From there, if you can imagine, all of us came to be. Opposites or thoughts of the previous sources. But why not all under the control of the first source... why? Why would anyone want that kind of control? Why would anyone or thing want an eternity alone... that is what the thought of a "one god" is... Solipsistic in nature which just ends up equating to being alone. This is why i believe our true free will is in our immortality. If you want to correlate this with a god, it gave us our free will in our immortality. Why? so it can be social and live... and simply, not in control of everything. I don't understand how anyone can wish that on anything. Empathy based, i believe god, this first source, is just living like the rest of us. Enjoy the platforms it can exist in. Imagine dying and learning everything was a figment of your imagination. Very shortly, you will imagine all those that you imagined to torture or ill lives... being the creator of all of it. Now, imagine dying and just being you and a friend or family that died before you grabbing your hand and saying come check out my world. Which seems more like heaven? To me, it would be the latter. That is a generalization, but i feel the first source has been around for awhile, and better than anyone understands this idea.

ok, but you're again talking about manifestations. just step back and see the existence itself in all those things. and here we're just talking about existence. after we reached a good agreement about it, we can start talking about God.
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7/22/2016 12:30:29 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/19/2016 6:42:35 PM, Outplayz wrote:
Energy is neither created or destroyed
Energy needs space
Space is neither created or destroyed
Energy takes time to move
Time is neither created or destroyed
C1: Space, energy and time are infinite
Matter is infinite within space, energy and time
Matter is not observable (Anti-matter)
Matter becomes observable
Both are infinite within C1
Both observable/undetectable Matter take form and purpose
C2: God is the infinite evolution within space, energy and time
C3: There is no God... only consciousness evolving.
C4: We are all Gods.

=)

Nah. I suppose that gods were "created" when ancient scoundrels found that they could escape the daily grind of survival by pretending to talk to spirits.

Just a scam from the beginning.
The metaphysicist has no laboratory.
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7/22/2016 12:46:41 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
How God was created
Cavemen didn't understand the reality they faced and so invented gods to explain their reality.
It's quite simple really, because those poor cavemen were ignorant and in the 21st century we have people who are even more ignorant than them.
A shame really.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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7/22/2016 1:24:59 PM
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I think that one day God's God picked up a giant piece of clay and made him.
Before that the God of God's God picked up a giant piece of clay and made him.
Before that the God of the God of God's God picked up a giant piece of clay and made him.
Before that the God of the God of the God of God's God picked up a giant piece of clay and made him.
Before that the God of the God of the God of the God of God's God picked up a giant piece of clay and made him.
Before that the God of the God of the God of the God of the God of God's God picked up a giant piece of clay and made him.
Before that the God of the God of the God of the God of the God of the God of God's God picked up a giant piece of clay and made him.........................................
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7/22/2016 2:19:29 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/19/2016 6:42:35 PM, Outplayz wrote:
Energy is neither created or destroyed
Energy needs space
Space is neither created or destroyed
Energy takes time to move
Time is neither created or destroyed
C1: Space, energy and time are infinite
Matter is infinite within space, energy and time
Matter is not observable (Anti-matter)
Matter becomes observable
Both are infinite within C1
Both observable/undetectable Matter take form and purpose
C2: God is the infinite evolution within space, energy and time
C3: There is no God... only consciousness evolving.
C4: We are all Gods.

=)

Physical space and time were both created at the Big Bang
If that was the only issue, then vote moderation could be avoided more often, since a vote in which the voter does explain sufficiently how at least one point a debater made swung their vote, would be considered sufficient. -Airmax
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7/22/2016 2:22:13 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 3:12:54 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/22/2016 2:47:15 AM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 7/21/2016 7:50:19 PM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/20/2016 6:08:18 AM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 7/19/2016 6:42:35 PM, Outplayz wrote:
Energy is neither created or destroyed
Energy needs space
Space is neither created or destroyed
Energy takes time to move
Time is neither created or destroyed
C1: Space, energy and time are infinite
Matter is infinite within space, energy and time
Matter is not observable (Anti-matter)
Matter becomes observable
Both are infinite within C1
Both observable/undetectable Matter take form and purpose
C2: God is the infinite evolution within space, energy and time
C3: There is no God... only consciousness evolving.
C4: We are all Gods.

=)

There is a part of divine in us.

I believe so, but i believe whatever part it is or has taken, it is deistic in nature (willingly). I can only follow what i observe of the human race and human attributes, from that, it is logical to think that an immortal type of consciousness would rather be social vs. in control of everything. No one would want eternity to be alone, which is what a creator that creates from imagination would be (solipsistic in nature). I believe our free will is in our immortality, given by the first, to manifest into livable experiences (mortality).

Namaste is how hindus say hello. It means - ' I bow to the divine in you '.

That is not just awesome, but humble, empowering, and overall respectful of your fellow man. I like your religion all that much more ;) I have talked with acquaintances and friends that are Hindu and it seems to have a lot of spiritual ground covered. Mostly, i like how when i talked to a friend, in the end he agreed and said, "yes, i am spiritual. If my label creates problems, i have no problem calling myself spiritual rather a religious name." This specifically comes from just one person that is Hindu that i know, so maybe it is not true and they are blaspheming, but it gained a lot of my respect if it is true that you can have that much humility more so thoughtfulness of people around you to humble yourself to that level. I just thought it was awesome.

Hindu'ism is not a religion. So, there is no blasphemy.

There are no holy teaching. Only food for thought.

We don't kill curiosity for the sake of explanations.
(This is not a goodbye message. I may or may not come back after ten years.)
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7/22/2016 2:23:36 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 2:19:29 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/19/2016 6:42:35 PM, Outplayz wrote:
Energy is neither created or destroyed
Energy needs space
Space is neither created or destroyed
Energy takes time to move
Time is neither created or destroyed
C1: Space, energy and time are infinite
Matter is infinite within space, energy and time
Matter is not observable (Anti-matter)
Matter becomes observable
Both are infinite within C1
Both observable/undetectable Matter take form and purpose
C2: God is the infinite evolution within space, energy and time
C3: There is no God... only consciousness evolving.
C4: We are all Gods.

=)


Physical space and time were both created at the Big Bang

Just now, you used the word 'created'.
(This is not a goodbye message. I may or may not come back after ten years.)
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7/22/2016 3:55:15 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 2:23:36 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 7/22/2016 2:19:29 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/19/2016 6:42:35 PM, Outplayz wrote:
Energy is neither created or destroyed
Energy needs space
Space is neither created or destroyed
Energy takes time to move
Time is neither created or destroyed
C1: Space, energy and time are infinite
Matter is infinite within space, energy and time
Matter is not observable (Anti-matter)
Matter becomes observable
Both are infinite within C1
Both observable/undetectable Matter take form and purpose
C2: God is the infinite evolution within space, energy and time
C3: There is no God... only consciousness evolving.
C4: We are all Gods.

=)


Physical space and time were both created at the Big Bang

Just now, you used the word 'created'.

And???
If that was the only issue, then vote moderation could be avoided more often, since a vote in which the voter does explain sufficiently how at least one point a debater made swung their vote, would be considered sufficient. -Airmax
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7/22/2016 4:04:56 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 2:19:29 PM, dsjpk5
Cavemen didn't understand the reality they faced and so invented gods to explain their reality.
It's quite simple really, because those poor cavemen were ignorant and in the 21st century we have people who are even more ignorant than them.
A shame really.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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7/24/2016 10:32:45 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 2:22:13 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 7/22/2016 3:12:54 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/22/2016 2:47:15 AM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 7/21/2016 7:50:19 PM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/20/2016 6:08:18 AM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 7/19/2016 6:42:35 PM, Outplayz wrote:
Energy is neither created or destroyed
Energy needs space
Space is neither created or destroyed
Energy takes time to move
Time is neither created or destroyed
C1: Space, energy and time are infinite
Matter is infinite within space, energy and time
Matter is not observable (Anti-matter)
Matter becomes observable
Both are infinite within C1
Both observable/undetectable Matter take form and purpose
C2: God is the infinite evolution within space, energy and time
C3: There is no God... only consciousness evolving.
C4: We are all Gods.

=)

There is a part of divine in us.

I believe so, but i believe whatever part it is or has taken, it is deistic in nature (willingly). I can only follow what i observe of the human race and human attributes, from that, it is logical to think that an immortal type of consciousness would rather be social vs. in control of everything. No one would want eternity to be alone, which is what a creator that creates from imagination would be (solipsistic in nature). I believe our free will is in our immortality, given by the first, to manifest into livable experiences (mortality).

Namaste is how hindus say hello. It means - ' I bow to the divine in you '.

That is not just awesome, but humble, empowering, and overall respectful of your fellow man. I like your religion all that much more ;) I have talked with acquaintances and friends that are Hindu and it seems to have a lot of spiritual ground covered. Mostly, i like how when i talked to a friend, in the end he agreed and said, "yes, i am spiritual. If my label creates problems, i have no problem calling myself spiritual rather a religious name." This specifically comes from just one person that is Hindu that i know, so maybe it is not true and they are blaspheming, but it gained a lot of my respect if it is true that you can have that much humility more so thoughtfulness of people around you to humble yourself to that level. I just thought it was awesome.

Hindu'ism is not a religion. So, there is no blasphemy.

There are no holy teaching. Only food for thought.

We don't kill curiosity for the sake of explanations.

This is how spirituality should be, curiosity that leads to hope not ultimatums. I like this kind of open mind.
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7/24/2016 10:32:48 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 12:46:41 PM, bulproof wrote:
How God was created
Cavemen didn't understand the reality they faced and so invented gods to explain their reality.
It's quite simple really, because those poor cavemen were ignorant and in the 21st century we have people who are even more ignorant than them.
A shame really.

Pure ignorance would be not pondering that the mysterious is real and can have implications that we have never thought of. It is actually pretty scientific and logical. If one watches the progression of human kind, we have always went above and beyond and created things previous generations couldn't even dream of... i simply think that this will continue, so will spirituality.
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7/24/2016 10:32:56 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 12:30:29 PM, Looncall wrote:
At 7/19/2016 6:42:35 PM, Outplayz wrote:
Energy is neither created or destroyed
Energy needs space
Space is neither created or destroyed
Energy takes time to move
Time is neither created or destroyed
C1: Space, energy and time are infinite
Matter is infinite within space, energy and time
Matter is not observable (Anti-matter)
Matter becomes observable
Both are infinite within C1
Both observable/undetectable Matter take form and purpose
C2: God is the infinite evolution within space, energy and time
C3: There is no God... only consciousness evolving.
C4: We are all Gods.

=)

Nah. I suppose that gods were "created" when ancient scoundrels found that they could escape the daily grind of survival by pretending to talk to spirits.

Just a scam from the beginning.

Although i agree scamming is second nature to religion... i do not think it is all a scam. That would be too certain of an assertion to something like spirituality. I know i am creating my platform with ... well, if i could get paid for it and gain power, i would be down. So ... maybe greed should go hand and hand with spirituality. I find nothing wrong with that. Many people use their talents for profit and position, why not spiritual people too?