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brontoraptor
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7/20/2016 9:41:59 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
Atheism is a "lack of belief" is a dodge. Atheism is the belief that God does not exist.

If I say that the letter "F" is symmetrical, and you say you do not believe the letter "F" is symmetrical, you believe it is asymmetrical.

Theism=I believe a God exists.
Atheism=I believe no God exists.

(Christopher Hitchens flummixed by this concept)(Video)

http://youtu.be...
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7/20/2016 9:48:01 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/20/2016 9:41:59 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheism is a "lack of belief" is a dodge. Atheism is the belief that God does not exist.

If I say that the letter "F" is symmetrical, and you say you do not believe the letter "F" is symmetrical, you believe it is asymmetrical.

Theism=I believe a God exists.
Atheism=I believe no God exists.

(Christopher Hitchens flummixed by this concept)(Video)

http://youtu.be...

I wonder what gives people the impression that no god exists.?
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7/20/2016 9:49:31 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/20/2016 9:48:01 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 7/20/2016 9:41:59 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheism is a "lack of belief" is a dodge. Atheism is the belief that God does not exist.

If I say that the letter "F" is symmetrical, and you say you do not believe the letter "F" is symmetrical, you believe it is asymmetrical.

Theism=I believe a God exists.
Atheism=I believe no God exists.

(Christopher Hitchens flummixed by this concept)(Video)

http://youtu.be...

I wonder what gives people the impression that no god exists.?

You referred to atheism as a belief in your own thread. How can I attack your beliefs if you have none....
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7/20/2016 9:50:37 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/20/2016 9:48:01 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 7/20/2016 9:41:59 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheism is a "lack of belief" is a dodge. Atheism is the belief that God does not exist.

If I say that the letter "F" is symmetrical, and you say you do not believe the letter "F" is symmetrical, you believe it is asymmetrical.

Theism=I believe a God exists.
Atheism=I believe no God exists.

(Christopher Hitchens flummixed by this concept)(Video)

http://youtu.be...

I wonder what gives people the impression that no god exists.?

Nonexposure to prophecy or the work of physicists like James Gates
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7/20/2016 10:01:53 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/20/2016 9:41:59 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheism is a "lack of belief" is a dodge. Atheism is the belief that God does not exist.

No, it is a religion. There's another name for a lack in belief.

If I say that the letter "F" is symmetrical, and you say you do not believe the letter "F" is symmetrical, you believe it is asymmetrical.

I know who I am. That is what matters... Not what you think I am or what you want me to be.

Theism=I believe a God exists.
Atheism=I believe no God exists.

Belief is the lack of critical thinking. I can prove you exist

(Christopher Hitchens flummixed by this concept)(Video)

http://youtu.be...

Youve gotten smarter over the years, are you learning?
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7/20/2016 10:06:16 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/20/2016 9:41:59 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheism is a "lack of belief" is a dodge. Atheism is the belief that God does not exist.

No... atheism is at core, a position that all theology is false. It's not just about what invisible beings might exist. It also rejects theological mythologies and histories, the efficacy of prayers and rituals, theological beliefs about human morality and the human condition -- and if you doubt that, look at how broadly atheist members participate in those discussions here, and consider the positions they take.

Now, the degree to which it does that depends on the individual atheist. There's no canon or doctrine underpinning atheistic rejection of theology, if only because the term 'atheist' was coined by the religious to identify a position, not describe a rationale. But having identified that position, the desire by the religious to frame atheism in their own theological terms is both arrogant and conceptually flawed. It's not just disrespectful to atheists; it's damaging to theistic intelligence.

So in short, Bronto, atheism really isn't about rejecting your religion, but rejecting religiosity in general. Every time you declare yourself unable to accept this, you're also exposing why it is religiosity can make a poor friend to critical thought.
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7/20/2016 10:10:27 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/20/2016 10:06:16 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 7/20/2016 9:41:59 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheism is a "lack of belief" is a dodge. Atheism is the belief that God does not exist.

No... atheism is at core, a position that all theology is false. It's not just about what invisible beings might exist. It also rejects theological mythologies and histories, the efficacy of prayers and rituals, theological beliefs about human morality and the human condition -- and if you doubt that, look at how broadly atheist members participate in those discussions here, and consider the positions they take.

Now, the degree to which it does that depends on the individual atheist. There's no canon or doctrine underpinning atheistic rejection of theology, if only because the term 'atheist' was coined by the religious to identify a position, not describe a rationale. But having identified that position, the desire by the religious to frame atheism in their own theological terms is both arrogant and conceptually flawed. It's not just disrespectful to atheists; it's damaging to theistic intelligence.

So in short, Bronto, atheism really isn't about rejecting your religion, but rejecting religiosity in general. Every time you declare yourself unable to accept this, you're also exposing why it is religiosity can make a poor friend to critical thought.

Disrespect doesn't exist. This is just a biological manifestation of electrical signals being sent to and from my brain.
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7/20/2016 10:11:33 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/20/2016 10:06:16 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 7/20/2016 9:41:59 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheism is a "lack of belief" is a dodge. Atheism is the belief that God does not exist.

No... atheism is at core, a position that all theology is false. It's not just about what invisible beings might exist. It also rejects theological mythologies and histories, the efficacy of prayers and rituals, theological beliefs about human morality and the human condition -- and if you doubt that, look at how broadly atheist members participate in those discussions here, and consider the positions they take.

Now, the degree to which it does that depends on the individual atheist. There's no canon or doctrine underpinning atheistic rejection of theology, if only because the term 'atheist' was coined by the religious to identify a position, not describe a rationale. But having identified that position, the desire by the religious to frame atheism in their own theological terms is both arrogant and conceptually flawed. It's not just disrespectful to atheists; it's damaging to theistic intelligence.

So in short, Bronto, atheism really isn't about rejecting your religion, but rejecting religiosity in general. Every time you declare yourself unable to accept this, you're also exposing why it is religiosity can make a poor friend to critical thought.

Then debate me on it. You pick a topic.
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RuvDraba
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7/20/2016 10:23:49 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/20/2016 10:11:33 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/20/2016 10:06:16 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
Atheism really isn't about rejecting your religion, but rejecting religiosity in general. Every time you declare yourself unable to accept this, you're also exposing why it is religiosity can make a poor friend to critical thought.
Then debate me on it. You pick a topic.
Bronto, I'm sorry but a debate cannot be conducted without mutual trust and respect.

As you're aware I don't respect your participation in this forum. I think you capable of better than you actually deliver, but contempt and vanity make your posts boring, repetitive, unconstructive and deliberately disruptive. You are aware of this because I've told you so, and I'm not the only member to have done so.

You are also untrustworthy because your posts frequently lack honesty, integrity and sincerity. You put virtually no original thought into your posts, and repeat the same misinformation to vex, even when it has been corrected repeatedly.

So... on a site that treats you with more respect than you treat it, I have little interest in engaging your thought, other than to occasionally correct it for the possible interest of other members.
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7/20/2016 10:24:19 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/20/2016 9:41:59 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheism is a "lack of belief" is a dodge. Atheism is the belief that God does not exist.

If I say that the letter "F" is symmetrical, and you say you do not believe the letter "F" is symmetrical, you believe it is asymmetrical.

False dichotomy. I might think you don't know what "symmetrical" means, I might not know what "symmetrical" means, or it might be obvious you don't know which letter is F and your statement is incoherent. Given this, I might have no opinion on your claim. Disbelieving your claim is not the same as making an alternative claim.

Theism=I believe a God exists.
Atheism=I believe no God exists.

This is so disingenuous. If you truly think atheism is the opposite of theism and you're defining atheism as "I believe no gods exists", then you should be defining theism as "I believe all gods exist".
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7/20/2016 10:43:31 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/20/2016 9:41:59 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheism is a "lack of belief" is a dodge. Atheism is the belief that God does not exist.

If I say that the letter "F" is symmetrical, and you say you do not believe the letter "F" is symmetrical, you believe it is asymmetrical.

Theism=I believe a God exists.
Atheism=I believe no God exists.

(Christopher Hitchens flummixed by this concept)(Video)

http://youtu.be...

What do you call someone that lacks a belief there is a god?
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7/20/2016 11:49:49 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/20/2016 9:41:59 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheism is a "lack of belief" is a dodge. Atheism is the belief that God does not exist.

If I say that the letter "F" is symmetrical, and you say you do not believe the letter "F" is symmetrical, you believe it is asymmetrical.

It's funny how believers are just black and white, us and them, yes or no, good or evil, etc. There is no middle ground for a believer, no colors, no grey areas, no choices, no alternatives, no indifference, no thinking.

Theism=I believe a God exists.
Atheism=I believe no God exists.

(Christopher Hitchens flummixed by this concept)(Video)

http://youtu.be...
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