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7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion?
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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7/25/2016 9:38:54 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion? : :

God's way is confusing to those who don't understand his way. I know the way.
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7/25/2016 9:40:22 PM
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At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion?

Because they were evil and the children of Satan.
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7/25/2016 9:41:46 PM
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At 7/25/2016 9:38:54 PM, pacchu wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion? : :

God's way is confusing to those who don't understand his way. I know the way.

+1

They'll never understand what you mean either because their hearts are set against him
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7/25/2016 9:42:16 PM
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At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion?

Wanna debate me on it?
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7/25/2016 9:46:32 PM
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At 7/25/2016 9:38:54 PM, pacchu wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion? : :

God's way is confusing to those who don't understand his way. I know the way.

What an egotistical, self-aggrandizing crock of bovine fecal matter.
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7/25/2016 9:48:12 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 9:46:32 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:38:54 PM, pacchu wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion? : :

God's way is confusing to those who don't understand his way. I know the way.

What an egotistical, self-aggrandizing crock of bovine fecal matter.

That's what I thought about your post.
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7/25/2016 10:26:53 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 9:38:54 PM, pacchu wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion? : :

God's way is confusing to those who don't understand his way. I know the way.

Please answer my questions and explain God's way and why it was a good idea to make communication more difficult and correct interpretation of biblical scripture more challenging. If you know the way that should be easy to do.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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7/25/2016 10:31:46 PM
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At 7/25/2016 10:26:53 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:38:54 PM, pacchu wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion? : :

God's way is confusing to those who don't understand his way. I know the way.

Please answer my questions and explain God's way and why it was a good idea to make communication more difficult and correct interpretation of biblical scripture more challenging. If you know the way that should be easy to do.

God's way is the establishment of friendship with humans who seek him by humbling themselves, admitting their imperfection, and killing the haughty spirit of Atheism towards Him, which can serve no good purpose to Himother than to prove who is with Him and who is allowed to disappear into nonexistance by their own choice to not be with Him eternally. He's simply giving you exactly what you demand of Him. A reality without Him, nor any communication with Him.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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7/25/2016 10:32:35 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 9:40:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion?

Because they were evil and the children of Satan.

So why can't all Christians communicate with each other in a single language?

Why would God punish the entire human race for the actions of a small number of people being evil?

He could have confined communication difficulties to those people.

Why did God create evil people anyway if he didn't want them?
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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7/25/2016 10:34:13 PM
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At 7/25/2016 9:42:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion?

Wanna debate me on it?

No thanks. Your welcome to discuss it here though.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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7/25/2016 10:36:50 PM
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At 7/25/2016 10:32:35 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:40:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion?

Because they were evil and the children of Satan.

So why can't all Christians communicate with each other in a single language?

Why would God punish the entire human race for the actions of a small number of people being evil?

He could have confined communication difficulties to those people.

Why did God create evil people anyway if he didn't want them?

Jesus told you why in the parabal of tares and wheat. They don't eant him, so He uses their assaults, militantism, and hate te refine those who accept Him and stand with Him. He wants you, but you reject Him, so, he'll step out of your way and let you have your request. It ends with darkness, loneliness, and dispair,+ a lot of prozak.
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7/25/2016 10:39:00 PM
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At 7/25/2016 10:31:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:26:53 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:38:54 PM, pacchu wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion? : :

God's way is confusing to those who don't understand his way. I know the way.

Please answer my questions and explain God's way and why it was a good idea to make communication more difficult and correct interpretation of biblical scripture more challenging. If you know the way that should be easy to do.

God's way is the establishment of friendship with humans who seek him by humbling themselves, admitting their imperfection, and killing the haughty spirit of Atheism towards Him, which can serve no good purpose to Himother than to prove who is with Him and who is allowed to disappear into nonexistance by their own choice to not be with Him eternally. He's simply giving you exactly what you demand of Him. A reality without Him, nor any communication with Him.

Why doesn't Yawheh just prove his existence?

Let's test your logic. I'm going to demand that Yawheh stops murdering people with parasitic worms. Do you think he will give me what I demand of him?

I predict he won't. Why? He is not real. No real God would allow parasitic worms to kill innocent children. Unless you accept that the God is evil.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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7/25/2016 10:41:54 PM
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At 7/25/2016 10:39:00 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:31:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:26:53 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:38:54 PM, pacchu wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion? : :

God's way is confusing to those who don't understand his way. I know the way.

Please answer my questions and explain God's way and why it was a good idea to make communication more difficult and correct interpretation of biblical scripture more challenging. If you know the way that should be easy to do.

God's way is the establishment of friendship with humans who seek him by humbling themselves, admitting their imperfection, and killing the haughty spirit of Atheism towards Him, which can serve no good purpose to Himother than to prove who is with Him and who is allowed to disappear into nonexistance by their own choice to not be with Him eternally. He's simply giving you exactly what you demand of Him. A reality without Him, nor any communication with Him.

Why doesn't Yawheh just prove his existence?

Let's test your logic. I'm going to demand that Yawheh stops murdering people with parasitic worms. Do you think he will give me what I demand of him?

I predict he won't. Why? He is not real. No real God would allow parasitic worms to kill innocent children. Unless you accept that the God is evil.

It depends on what he knows omnisciently.

Define "evil". Evil to Muslims is a female wearing shorts.
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7/25/2016 10:43:29 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 10:36:50 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:32:35 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:40:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion?

Because they were evil and the children of Satan.

So why can't all Christians communicate with each other in a single language?

Why would God punish the entire human race for the actions of a small number of people being evil?

He could have confined communication difficulties to those people.

Why did God create evil people anyway if he didn't want them?

Jesus told you why in the parabal of tares and wheat. They don't eant him, so He uses their assaults, militantism, and hate te refine those who accept Him and stand with Him. He wants you, but you reject Him, so, he'll step out of your way and let you have your request. It ends with darkness, loneliness, and dispair,+ a lot of prozak.

In other words he punishes everyone for the actions of a few. That's not justice. If one American kills 200 people in a terrorist attack should all Americans be punished? That's what your logic is suggesting.
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7/25/2016 10:46:07 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 10:41:54 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:39:00 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:31:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:26:53 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:38:54 PM, pacchu wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion? : :

God's way is confusing to those who don't understand his way. I know the way.

Please answer my questions and explain God's way and why it was a good idea to make communication more difficult and correct interpretation of biblical scripture more challenging. If you know the way that should be easy to do.

God's way is the establishment of friendship with humans who seek him by humbling themselves, admitting their imperfection, and killing the haughty spirit of Atheism towards Him, which can serve no good purpose to Himother than to prove who is with Him and who is allowed to disappear into nonexistance by their own choice to not be with Him eternally. He's simply giving you exactly what you demand of Him. A reality without Him, nor any communication with Him.

Why doesn't Yawheh just prove his existence?

Let's test your logic. I'm going to demand that Yawheh stops murdering people with parasitic worms. Do you think he will give me what I demand of him?

I predict he won't. Why? He is not real. No real God would allow parasitic worms to kill innocent children. Unless you accept that the God is evil.

It depends on what he knows omnisciently.

Define "evil". Evil to Muslims is a female wearing shorts.

Evil definition:

profoundly immoral and wicked.

No other description can be used to describe an omnipotent deity that allows the suffering found on earth.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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7/25/2016 10:56:31 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 10:46:07 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:41:54 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:39:00 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:31:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:26:53 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:38:54 PM, pacchu wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion? : :

God's way is confusing to those who don't understand his way. I know the way.

Please answer my questions and explain God's way and why it was a good idea to make communication more difficult and correct interpretation of biblical scripture more challenging. If you know the way that should be easy to do.

God's way is the establishment of friendship with humans who seek him by humbling themselves, admitting their imperfection, and killing the haughty spirit of Atheism towards Him, which can serve no good purpose to Himother than to prove who is with Him and who is allowed to disappear into nonexistance by their own choice to not be with Him eternally. He's simply giving you exactly what you demand of Him. A reality without Him, nor any communication with Him.

Why doesn't Yawheh just prove his existence?

Let's test your logic. I'm going to demand that Yawheh stops murdering people with parasitic worms. Do you think he will give me what I demand of him?

I predict he won't. Why? He is not real. No real God would allow parasitic worms to kill innocent children. Unless you accept that the God is evil.

It depends on what he knows omnisciently.

Define "evil". Evil to Muslims is a female wearing shorts.

Evil definition:

profoundly immoral and wicked.

No other description can be used to describe an omnipotent deity that allows the suffering found on earth.

Without suffering you cannot prove what someone really is, nor can they be refined.

Immoral is a semantical term. And if an omniscient god knows the best final result comes only by suffering, is he "morally" obligated to let it play out?
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7/25/2016 11:03:42 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 10:56:31 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:46:07 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:41:54 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:39:00 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:31:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:26:53 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:38:54 PM, pacchu wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion? : :

God's way is confusing to those who don't understand his way. I know the way.

Please answer my questions and explain God's way and why it was a good idea to make communication more difficult and correct interpretation of biblical scripture more challenging. If you know the way that should be easy to do.

God's way is the establishment of friendship with humans who seek him by humbling themselves, admitting their imperfection, and killing the haughty spirit of Atheism towards Him, which can serve no good purpose to Himother than to prove who is with Him and who is allowed to disappear into nonexistance by their own choice to not be with Him eternally. He's simply giving you exactly what you demand of Him. A reality without Him, nor any communication with Him.

Why doesn't Yawheh just prove his existence?

Let's test your logic. I'm going to demand that Yawheh stops murdering people with parasitic worms. Do you think he will give me what I demand of him?

I predict he won't. Why? He is not real. No real God would allow parasitic worms to kill innocent children. Unless you accept that the God is evil.

It depends on what he knows omnisciently.

Define "evil". Evil to Muslims is a female wearing shorts.

Evil definition:

profoundly immoral and wicked.

No other description can be used to describe an omnipotent deity that allows the suffering found on earth.

Without suffering you cannot prove what someone really is, nor can they be refined.

An omniscient God would know these answers without causing suffering. It's omnipotent powers allow it to refine people using other means.

Immoral is a semantical term. And if an omniscient god knows the best final result comes only by suffering, is he "morally" obligated to let it play out?

An omnipotent God is capable of creating a scenario where the best result is possible without the need for suffering. The God is morally obligated to prevent suffering. It's omnipotence makes it completely unnecessary.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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7/25/2016 11:09:42 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion?

Why would God create a race of beings of which (arguably) their most obvious quality separating them from every other animal around them, is their unrelenting drive to understand the details of the world they find themselves and a struggle to understand their place in the universe; and then tell them?

This would seem like the worst of all cosmic spoiler alerts.
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7/25/2016 11:16:46 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 11:09:42 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion?

Why would God create a race of beings of which (arguably) their most obvious quality separating them from every other animal around them, is their unrelenting drive to understand the details of the world they find themselves and a struggle to understand their place in the universe; and then tell them?

This would seem like the worst of all cosmic spoiler alerts.

Because it's supposedly very important to know the truth according to Christianity. Either you spend eternity in the best possible place or the worst possible place. You would think the God in question would provide clear information on our reality and what if anything it expects from each individual to allow everyone a fair chance.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

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7/25/2016 11:45:32 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 11:03:42 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:56:31 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:46:07 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:41:54 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:39:00 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:31:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:26:53 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:38:54 PM, pacchu wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion? : :

God's way is confusing to those who don't understand his way. I know the way.

Please answer my questions and explain God's way and why it was a good idea to make communication more difficult and correct interpretation of biblical scripture more challenging. If you know the way that should be easy to do.

God's way is the establishment of friendship with humans who seek him by humbling themselves, admitting their imperfection, and killing the haughty spirit of Atheism towards Him, which can serve no good purpose to Himother than to prove who is with Him and who is allowed to disappear into nonexistance by their own choice to not be with Him eternally. He's simply giving you exactly what you demand of Him. A reality without Him, nor any communication with Him.

Why doesn't Yawheh just prove his existence?

Let's test your logic. I'm going to demand that Yawheh stops murdering people with parasitic worms. Do you think he will give me what I demand of him?

I predict he won't. Why? He is not real. No real God would allow parasitic worms to kill innocent children. Unless you accept that the God is evil.

It depends on what he knows omnisciently.

Define "evil". Evil to Muslims is a female wearing shorts.

Evil definition:

profoundly immoral and wicked.

No other description can be used to describe an omnipotent deity that allows the suffering found on earth.

Without suffering you cannot prove what someone really is, nor can they be refined.

An omniscient God would know these answers without causing suffering. It's omnipotent powers allow it to refine people using other means.

Immoral is a semantical term. And if an omniscient god knows the best final result comes only by suffering, is he "morally" obligated to let it play out?

An omnipotent God is capable of creating a scenario where the best result is possible without the need for suffering. The God is morally obligated to prevent suffering. It's omnipotence makes it completely unnecessary.

You are forgetting that Christians think suffering is cozy. Yes, they really do.
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7/25/2016 11:58:19 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 11:45:32 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 7/25/2016 11:03:42 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:56:31 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:46:07 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:41:54 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:39:00 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:31:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:26:53 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:38:54 PM, pacchu wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion? : :

God's way is confusing to those who don't understand his way. I know the way.

Please answer my questions and explain God's way and why it was a good idea to make communication more difficult and correct interpretation of biblical scripture more challenging. If you know the way that should be easy to do.

God's way is the establishment of friendship with humans who seek him by humbling themselves, admitting their imperfection, and killing the haughty spirit of Atheism towards Him, which can serve no good purpose to Himother than to prove who is with Him and who is allowed to disappear into nonexistance by their own choice to not be with Him eternally. He's simply giving you exactly what you demand of Him. A reality without Him, nor any communication with Him.

Why doesn't Yawheh just prove his existence?

Let's test your logic. I'm going to demand that Yawheh stops murdering people with parasitic worms. Do you think he will give me what I demand of him?

I predict he won't. Why? He is not real. No real God would allow parasitic worms to kill innocent children. Unless you accept that the God is evil.

It depends on what he knows omnisciently.

Define "evil". Evil to Muslims is a female wearing shorts.

Evil definition:

profoundly immoral and wicked.

No other description can be used to describe an omnipotent deity that allows the suffering found on earth.

Without suffering you cannot prove what someone really is, nor can they be refined.

An omniscient God would know these answers without causing suffering. It's omnipotent powers allow it to refine people using other means.

Immoral is a semantical term. And if an omniscient god knows the best final result comes only by suffering, is he "morally" obligated to let it play out?

An omnipotent God is capable of creating a scenario where the best result is possible without the need for suffering. The God is morally obligated to prevent suffering. It's omnipotence makes it completely unnecessary.

You are forgetting that Christians think suffering is cozy. Yes, they really do.

I wonder if they would still hold that view if they experienced it themselves. Condoning suffering is such a selfish position entirely devoid of logical thought.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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7/26/2016 12:07:09 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 11:58:19 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 11:45:32 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 7/25/2016 11:03:42 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:56:31 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:46:07 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:41:54 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:39:00 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:31:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:26:53 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:38:54 PM, pacchu wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion? : :

God's way is confusing to those who don't understand his way. I know the way.

Please answer my questions and explain God's way and why it was a good idea to make communication more difficult and correct interpretation of biblical scripture more challenging. If you know the way that should be easy to do.

God's way is the establishment of friendship with humans who seek him by humbling themselves, admitting their imperfection, and killing the haughty spirit of Atheism towards Him, which can serve no good purpose to Himother than to prove who is with Him and who is allowed to disappear into nonexistance by their own choice to not be with Him eternally. He's simply giving you exactly what you demand of Him. A reality without Him, nor any communication with Him.

Why doesn't Yawheh just prove his existence?

Let's test your logic. I'm going to demand that Yawheh stops murdering people with parasitic worms. Do you think he will give me what I demand of him?

I predict he won't. Why? He is not real. No real God would allow parasitic worms to kill innocent children. Unless you accept that the God is evil.

It depends on what he knows omnisciently.

Define "evil". Evil to Muslims is a female wearing shorts.

Evil definition:

profoundly immoral and wicked.

No other description can be used to describe an omnipotent deity that allows the suffering found on earth.

Without suffering you cannot prove what someone really is, nor can they be refined.

An omniscient God would know these answers without causing suffering. It's omnipotent powers allow it to refine people using other means.

Immoral is a semantical term. And if an omniscient god knows the best final result comes only by suffering, is he "morally" obligated to let it play out?

An omnipotent God is capable of creating a scenario where the best result is possible without the need for suffering. The God is morally obligated to prevent suffering. It's omnipotence makes it completely unnecessary.

You are forgetting that Christians think suffering is cozy. Yes, they really do.

I wonder if they would still hold that view if they experienced it themselves. Condoning suffering is such a selfish position entirely devoid of logical thought.

It's quite easy to explain why they condone the suffering. The state of mind is called the Stockholm syndrome.

Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, is a psychological phenomenon described in 1973 in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending and identifying with the captors.

I think the Wikipedia introduction explains it all. When you badly want to believe in a deity, you have the question of why this deity created suffering. So theists develop one or both of these well-known mantras:

A. God works in mysterious ways.
B. Suffering is good for you.
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7/26/2016 12:59:16 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
The tower of Babel story is what is known as an 'etiological myth', that is a story that explains the origin or nature of something. The Babel story is a nice example, offering a reason for the existence of all the different languages the Hebrew came into contact with.

The writers of the Tanakh included several etiological myths dotted throughout the text. Gen 3 contains several related to the human condition, such as why childbirth is painful and why man's life often required hard physical work. There is also a just-so story explaining the snake's lack of legs as a divine punishment: "...upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life" (Gen 3:14).
Rainbows are explained in Gen 9:13 "I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth."

Many of the cities that were supposedly destroyed by Joshua were known to the Hebrew as ruins and had been abandoned long before Joshua's time. Thus the Joshua tale served as a national foundation myth and as etiology for the ruins dotted around the landscape.

I didn't find a list of etiological myths in the bible to link to, but I think there are probably dozens that would show up once you start noticing them.
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7/26/2016 1:37:01 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 9:41:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:38:54 PM, pacchu wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion? : :

God's way is confusing to those who don't understand his way. I know the way.

+1

They'll never understand what you mean either because their hearts are set against him : :

It was prophesied that they would reject the word of the Lord.

Romans 11:
3: "Lord, they have killed thy prophets, they have demolished thy altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life."
4: But what is God's reply to him? "I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Ba'al."
5: So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.
6: But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
7: What then? Israel failed to obtain what it sought. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened,
8: as it is written, "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that should not see and ears that should not hear, down to this very day."

Matthew 22
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Here's what happens to those who don't listen to the voice of God and obey his commandments;

Deuteronomy 28
15: "But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord your God or be careful to do all his commandments which I command you this day, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you.
16: Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the field.
17: Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading-trough.
18: cursed shall be the fruit of your body, and the fruit of your ground, the increase of your cattle, and the young of your flock.
19: Cursed shall you be when you come in, and cursed shall you be when you go out.
20: "the Lord will send upon you curses, confusion, and frustration, in all that you undertake to do, until you are destroyed and perish quickly, on account of the evil of your doings, because you have forsaken me.
21: The Lord will make the pestilence cleave to you until he has consumed you off the land which you are entering to take possession of it.
22: The Lord will smite you with consumption, and with fever, inflammation, and fiery heat, and with drought, and with blasting, and with mildew; they shall pursue you until you perish.
23: And the heavens over your head shall be brass, and the earth under you shall be iron.
24: The Lord will make the rain of your land powder and dust; from heaven it shall come down upon you until you are destroyed.
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7/26/2016 1:38:14 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 9:46:32 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:38:54 PM, pacchu wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion? : :

God's way is confusing to those who don't understand his way. I know the way.

What an egotistical, self-aggrandizing crock of bovine fecal matter. : :

You will have it your way until you die.
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7/26/2016 1:41:17 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 10:26:53 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:38:54 PM, pacchu wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion? : :

God's way is confusing to those who don't understand his way. I know the way.

Please answer my questions and explain God's way and why it was a good idea to make communication more difficult and correct interpretation of biblical scripture more challenging. If you know the way that should be easy to do. : :

It's easy for those who abide by this biblical prophecy;

Deuteronomy 28:
1: And if you obey the voice of the LORD your God, being careful to do all his commandments which I command you this day, the LORD your God will set you high above all the nations of the earth.
2: And all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake you, if you obey the voice of the LORD your God.

If you don't listen to the voice of God and obey all his commandments, then you will experience this;

Deuteronomy 28
15: "But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord your God or be careful to do all his commandments which I command you this day, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you.
16: Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the field.
17: Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading-trough.
18: cursed shall be the fruit of your body, and the fruit of your ground, the increase of your cattle, and the young of your flock.
19: Cursed shall you be when you come in, and cursed shall you be when you go out.
20: "the Lord will send upon you curses, confusion, and frustration, in all that you undertake to do, until you are destroyed and perish quickly, on account of the evil of your doings, because you have forsaken me.
21: The Lord will make the pestilence cleave to you until he has consumed you off the land which you are entering to take possession of it.
22: The Lord will smite you with consumption, and with fever, inflammation, and fiery heat, and with drought, and with blasting, and with mildew; they shall pursue you until you perish.
23: And the heavens over your head shall be brass, and the earth under you shall be iron.
24: The Lord will make the rain of your land powder and dust; from heaven it shall come down upon you until you are destroyed.

I happened to listen to the voice of God and obey all his commandments which is the only way to learn anything about God's plan for his creation.
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7/26/2016 1:57:00 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/26/2016 1:38:14 PM, pacchu wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:46:32 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:38:54 PM, pacchu wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion? : :

God's way is confusing to those who don't understand his way. I know the way.

What an egotistical, self-aggrandizing crock of bovine fecal matter. : :

You will have it your way until you die.

So will you, and then there will be nothing else. What a way to waste your one lifetime.
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7/26/2016 1:57:51 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 9:48:12 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:46:32 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:38:54 PM, pacchu wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:34:27 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Genesis 11:1-9

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3 And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth." 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Why would god want to make communication between humans more difficult?

What purpose did it serve?

Why would an omniscient deity want to make understanding the sole source of information he provides his creation of the truth and what he expects of them more difficult?

Translation errors are often used by Christian apologists as excuses for bible scripture such as the claim the six days described in English language bibles merely implied an unspecified period in the Hebrew language the book was written.

Why would a god want such confusion? : :

God's way is confusing to those who don't understand his way. I know the way.

What an egotistical, self-aggrandizing crock of bovine fecal matter.

That's what I thought about your post.

Your opinion is as meaningless to me as a seagull squawking on the beach looking for a handout.
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7/26/2016 2:01:08 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
That links nicely to the subject of another thread...

Note that all that Deuteronomy stuff is about good and bad things happening right here on earth, depending on whether you worshipped YHWH properly or not. There is nothing about going to heaven or hell when you die, because the Hebrew didn't believe in an afterlife. YHWH dished out his rewards and punishments before you died because there was nothing afterwards.