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# Universe 6000 light years wide in YEC?

 Posts: 1,761 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PMPosted: 5 months agoIf the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other?
 Posts: 44 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PMPosted: 5 months agoAt 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.
 Posts: 2,742 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/2/2016 2:12:28 PMPosted: 5 months agoAt 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other?1. The speed of light may not have always been constant. This has significant implications according to physics as we know it (as you indicated), but it's nothing that an all-powerful God couldn't handle.2. God could have created the light "in route", so it just appears to have been traveling for so long.
 Posts: 973 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/2/2016 2:19:47 PMPosted: 5 months agoAt 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.How do you that?Are you privy to information that scientists who dedicate their lives to the field somehow are not?
 Posts: 44 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/2/2016 2:29:40 PMPosted: 5 months agoAt 8/2/2016 2:19:47 PM, Omniverse wrote:At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.How do you that?Are you privy to information that scientists who dedicate their lives to the field somehow are not? : :I read it in the Bible several years ago but I couldn't find it the last time I was looking for it.. It was a passage that was saying God made things so big that no man will ever see how big it is and so small that no man will ever see how small it is. I relate this to the fact that the universe keeps getting bigger and bigger every time a new telescope is put out in space. Now we have physicists building atom smashers to see how small the next particle is. This means they haven't found the end of what they're looking for yet and I doubt they ever will.If you want to find the passage, you will have to look for it yourself.
 Posts: 1,761 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/2/2016 3:17:49 PMPosted: 5 months agoAt 8/2/2016 2:12:28 PM, Chaosism wrote:At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other?1. The speed of light may not have always been constant. This has significant implications according to physics as we know it (as you indicated), but it's nothing that an all-powerful God couldn't handle.What could affect the speed of light?2. God could have created the light "in route", so it just appears to have been traveling for so long.This would make astronomy become fuzzy though. How should we know for sure that the Sun is 15 lightminutes away, and Alpha Centauri 4 light years away, etc? Or are all objects lesser away than 6000 light years synchronized with their appeared distances?
 Posts: 2,742 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/2/2016 3:31:56 PMPosted: 5 months agoAt 8/2/2016 3:17:49 PM, Jovian wrote:At 8/2/2016 2:12:28 PM, Chaosism wrote:At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other?1. The speed of light may not have always been constant. This has significant implications according to physics as we know it (as you indicated), but it's nothing that an all-powerful God couldn't handle.What could affect the speed of light?Nothing that I know of aside from the alleged omnipotent creator of the universe.2. God could have created the light "in route", so it just appears to have been traveling for so long.This would make astronomy become fuzzy though. How should we know for sure that the Sun is 15 lightminutes away, and Alpha Centauri 4 light years away, etc? Or are all objects lesser away than 6000 light years synchronized with their appeared distances?That doesn't generally matter as long as the rationalization preserves the foundational belief.For a better insight into the thinking behind this matter, here is an explanation from the scholarly source, Answers in Genesis. https://answersingenesis.org...
 Posts: 973 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/2/2016 3:42:52 PMPosted: 5 months agoAt 8/2/2016 2:12:28 PM, Chaosism wrote:At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other?1. The speed of light may not have always been constant. This has significant implications according to physics as we know it (as you indicated), but it's nothing that an all-powerful God couldn't handle.And Santa could still be alive.Please watch the video and educate yourself:"Helping Hovind to Understand the Speed of Light"https://www.youtube.com...2. God could have created the light "in route", so it just appears to have been traveling for so long.And the Loch Ness Monster just might enjoy Cuban rhythms.How the scientifically illiterate can pull ludicrous hypothesises out of their rear ends without providing a single piece of evidence is just flabbergasting.
 Posts: 2,742 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/2/2016 4:06:45 PMPosted: 5 months agoAt 8/2/2016 3:42:52 PM, Omniverse wrote:At 8/2/2016 2:12:28 PM, Chaosism wrote:At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other?1. The speed of light may not have always been constant. This has significant implications according to physics as we know it (as you indicated), but it's nothing that an all-powerful God couldn't handle.And Santa could still be alive.Please watch the video and educate yourself:"Helping Hovind to Understand the Speed of Light"https://www.youtube.com...Yes! I was going to link that exact video, but forgot. :)Just to make clear, I wasn't endorsing those explanations at all, I was just answering the question in the OP because I've heard a decent number of attempts to reconcile this matter.And just for fun, why do you think you were so quick to classify me as a YEC creationist despite there being nothing in my reply to clearly indicate such? No answer need be expressed - I'm just trying to promote self-criticism and analysis though introspection. :)2. God could have created the light "in route", so it just appears to have been traveling for so long.And the Loch Ness Monster just might enjoy Cuban rhythms.How the scientifically illiterate can pull ludicrous hypothesises out of their rear ends without providing a single piece of evidence is just flabbergasting.Humans are naturally prone to rationalizing explanations in order to reduce cognitive dissonance incurred by ambiguous explanations or a total lack thereof. The human mind tends to seek completeness and consistency between held beliefs to a greater value than the truth of those beliefs, as indicated by such cognitive biases as Consistency Bias. Keep in mind that even the most educated are prone to this, which is why strict scientific methodology is vital.Need for Cognitive Closure: http://www.newyorker.com...Magical Thinking: https://www.psychologytoday.com...Cognitive Dissonance Theory: http://www.simplypsychology.org...Self-Consistency Bias: http://psychlopedia.wikispaces.com...
 Posts: 26,017 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/2/2016 5:24:11 PMPosted: 5 months agoAt 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.BwuahahahahahahahahahaIt takes only one drink to get me drunk. The trouble is, I can't remember if it's the thirteenth or the fourteenth. George Burns
 Posts: 44 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/2/2016 5:31:25 PMPosted: 5 months agoAt 8/2/2016 5:24:11 PM, bulproof wrote:At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.Bwuahahahahahahahahaha : :God also made some of his stupid people dig for bones and make them come up with make-believe stories about how those bones used to live in the past. He also made stupid people draw up bodies that those bones fit in and colored their bodies with various shades of green, purple, yellow, red and orange to make them look like dinosaurs. He also made stupid people believe they came from apes who couldn't decide to stay apes or evolve into human beings. I guess some decided to remain apes and let human beings kill them later on.
 Posts: 973 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/2/2016 5:33:23 PMPosted: 5 months agoAt 8/2/2016 5:31:25 PM, BJH wrote:At 8/2/2016 5:24:11 PM, bulproof wrote:At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.Bwuahahahahahahahahaha : :God also made some of his stupid people dig for bones and make them come up with make-believe stories about how those bones used to live in the past. He also made stupid people draw up bodies that those bones fit in and colored their bodies with various shades of green, purple, yellow, red and orange to make them look like dinosaurs. He also made stupid people believe they came from apes who couldn't decide to stay apes or evolve into human beings. I guess some decided to remain apes and let human beings kill them later on.You know close to nothing about Evolution.The joke's on you, not on the scientifically literate.
 Posts: 26,017 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/2/2016 5:39:56 PMPosted: 5 months agoAt 8/2/2016 5:31:25 PM, BJH wrote:At 8/2/2016 5:24:11 PM, bulproof wrote:At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.Bwuahahahahahahahahaha : :God also made some of his stupid people dig for bones and make them come up with make-believe stories about how those bones used to live in the past. He also made stupid people draw up bodies that those bones fit in and colored their bodies with various shades of green, purple, yellow, red and orange to make them look like dinosaurs. He also made stupid people believe they came from apes who couldn't decide to stay apes or evolve into human beings. I guess some decided to remain apes and let human beings kill them later on.BwuahahahahahahahahahaThat's even funnierBwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha62yrs old and as smart as a post. Your god must have made you.BwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaIt takes only one drink to get me drunk. The trouble is, I can't remember if it's the thirteenth or the fourteenth. George Burns