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8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other?
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8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :

Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.
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8/2/2016 2:12:28 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other?

1. The speed of light may not have always been constant. This has significant implications according to physics as we know it (as you indicated), but it's nothing that an all-powerful God couldn't handle.

2. God could have created the light "in route", so it just appears to have been traveling for so long.
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8/2/2016 2:19:47 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :

Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.

How do you that?

Are you privy to information that scientists who dedicate their lives to the field somehow are not?
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8/2/2016 2:29:40 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/2/2016 2:19:47 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :

Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.

How do you that?

Are you privy to information that scientists who dedicate their lives to the field somehow are not? : :

I read it in the Bible several years ago but I couldn't find it the last time I was looking for it.. It was a passage that was saying God made things so big that no man will ever see how big it is and so small that no man will ever see how small it is. I relate this to the fact that the universe keeps getting bigger and bigger every time a new telescope is put out in space. Now we have physicists building atom smashers to see how small the next particle is. This means they haven't found the end of what they're looking for yet and I doubt they ever will.

If you want to find the passage, you will have to look for it yourself.
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8/2/2016 3:17:49 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/2/2016 2:12:28 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other?

1. The speed of light may not have always been constant. This has significant implications according to physics as we know it (as you indicated), but it's nothing that an all-powerful God couldn't handle.

What could affect the speed of light?

2. God could have created the light "in route", so it just appears to have been traveling for so long.

This would make astronomy become fuzzy though. How should we know for sure that the Sun is 15 lightminutes away, and Alpha Centauri 4 light years away, etc? Or are all objects lesser away than 6000 light years synchronized with their appeared distances?
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8/2/2016 3:31:56 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/2/2016 3:17:49 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:12:28 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other?

1. The speed of light may not have always been constant. This has significant implications according to physics as we know it (as you indicated), but it's nothing that an all-powerful God couldn't handle.

What could affect the speed of light?

Nothing that I know of aside from the alleged omnipotent creator of the universe.

2. God could have created the light "in route", so it just appears to have been traveling for so long.

This would make astronomy become fuzzy though. How should we know for sure that the Sun is 15 lightminutes away, and Alpha Centauri 4 light years away, etc? Or are all objects lesser away than 6000 light years synchronized with their appeared distances?

That doesn't generally matter as long as the rationalization preserves the foundational belief.

For a better insight into the thinking behind this matter, here is an explanation from the scholarly source, Answers in Genesis. </sarcasm>

https://answersingenesis.org...
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8/2/2016 3:42:52 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/2/2016 2:12:28 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other?

1. The speed of light may not have always been constant. This has significant implications according to physics as we know it (as you indicated), but it's nothing that an all-powerful God couldn't handle.

And Santa could still be alive.

Please watch the video and educate yourself:

"Helping Hovind to Understand the Speed of Light"

https://www.youtube.com...

2. God could have created the light "in route", so it just appears to have been traveling for so long.

And the Loch Ness Monster just might enjoy Cuban rhythms.

How the scientifically illiterate can pull ludicrous hypothesises out of their rear ends without providing a single piece of evidence is just flabbergasting.
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8/2/2016 4:06:45 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/2/2016 3:42:52 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:12:28 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other?

1. The speed of light may not have always been constant. This has significant implications according to physics as we know it (as you indicated), but it's nothing that an all-powerful God couldn't handle.

And Santa could still be alive.

Please watch the video and educate yourself:

"Helping Hovind to Understand the Speed of Light"

https://www.youtube.com...

Yes! I was going to link that exact video, but forgot. :)

Just to make clear, I wasn't endorsing those explanations at all, I was just answering the question in the OP because I've heard a decent number of attempts to reconcile this matter.

And just for fun, why do you think you were so quick to classify me as a YEC creationist despite there being nothing in my reply to clearly indicate such? No answer need be expressed - I'm just trying to promote self-criticism and analysis though introspection. :)

2. God could have created the light "in route", so it just appears to have been traveling for so long.

And the Loch Ness Monster just might enjoy Cuban rhythms.

How the scientifically illiterate can pull ludicrous hypothesises out of their rear ends without providing a single piece of evidence is just flabbergasting.

Humans are naturally prone to rationalizing explanations in order to reduce cognitive dissonance incurred by ambiguous explanations or a total lack thereof. The human mind tends to seek completeness and consistency between held beliefs to a greater value than the truth of those beliefs, as indicated by such cognitive biases as Consistency Bias. Keep in mind that even the most educated are prone to this, which is why strict scientific methodology is vital.

Need for Cognitive Closure: http://www.newyorker.com...
Magical Thinking: https://www.psychologytoday.com...
Cognitive Dissonance Theory: http://www.simplypsychology.org...
Self-Consistency Bias: http://psychlopedia.wikispaces.com...
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8/2/2016 4:16:57 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/2/2016 4:06:45 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 8/2/2016 3:42:52 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:12:28 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other?

1. The speed of light may not have always been constant. This has significant implications according to physics as we know it (as you indicated), but it's nothing that an all-powerful God couldn't handle.

And Santa could still be alive.

Please watch the video and educate yourself:

"Helping Hovind to Understand the Speed of Light"

https://www.youtube.com...

Yes! I was going to link that exact video, but forgot. :)

Just to make clear, I wasn't endorsing those explanations at all, I was just answering the question in the OP because I've heard a decent number of attempts to reconcile this matter.

And just for fun, why do you think you were so quick to classify me as a YEC creationist despite there being nothing in my reply to clearly indicate such?

I have to say I was perplexed at first, as I was sure you were not on the YEC camp. But your answers made it seem so, or at least, that's what I thought.
My bad.

No answer need be expressed - I'm just trying to promote self-criticism and analysis though introspection. :)

I'd say you didn't qualify your answer so the most straightforward interpretation was sup for garbs.


2. God could have created the light "in route", so it just appears to have been traveling for so long.

And the Loch Ness Monster just might enjoy Cuban rhythms.

How the scientifically illiterate can pull ludicrous hypothesises out of their rear ends without providing a single piece of evidence is just flabbergasting.

Humans are naturally prone to rationalizing explanations in order to reduce cognitive dissonance incurred by ambiguous explanations or a total lack thereof. The human mind tends to seek completeness and consistency between held beliefs to a greater value than the truth of those beliefs, as indicated by such cognitive biases as Consistency Bias. Keep in mind that even the most educated are prone to this,

I agree.
Let me give you an example.
If evidence surfaces that the Theory of Evolution no longer provides an adequate explanation for the diversity of life on Earth, I will drop it without blinking. I have no attachment to the theory. Usually, theists won't say anything similar. When pressed for what would constitute belief-changing evidence, they'll usually go mute.

which is why strict scientific methodology is vital.


Agreed.

Need for Cognitive Closure: http://www.newyorker.com...
Magical Thinking: https://www.psychologytoday.com...
Cognitive Dissonance Theory: http://www.simplypsychology.org...
Self-Consistency Bias: http://psychlopedia.wikispaces.com...

Thanks.
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8/2/2016 5:24:11 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :

Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.

Bwuahahahahahahahahaha
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/2/2016 5:31:25 PM
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At 8/2/2016 5:24:11 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :

Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.

Bwuahahahahahahahahaha : :

God also made some of his stupid people dig for bones and make them come up with make-believe stories about how those bones used to live in the past. He also made stupid people draw up bodies that those bones fit in and colored their bodies with various shades of green, purple, yellow, red and orange to make them look like dinosaurs. He also made stupid people believe they came from apes who couldn't decide to stay apes or evolve into human beings. I guess some decided to remain apes and let human beings kill them later on.
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8/2/2016 5:33:23 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/2/2016 5:31:25 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:24:11 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :

Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.

Bwuahahahahahahahahaha : :

God also made some of his stupid people dig for bones and make them come up with make-believe stories about how those bones used to live in the past. He also made stupid people draw up bodies that those bones fit in and colored their bodies with various shades of green, purple, yellow, red and orange to make them look like dinosaurs. He also made stupid people believe they came from apes who couldn't decide to stay apes or evolve into human beings. I guess some decided to remain apes and let human beings kill them later on.

You know close to nothing about Evolution.
The joke's on you, not on the scientifically literate.
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8/2/2016 5:35:43 PM
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At 8/2/2016 5:33:23 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:31:25 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:24:11 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :

Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.

Bwuahahahahahahahahaha : :

God also made some of his stupid people dig for bones and make them come up with make-believe stories about how those bones used to live in the past. He also made stupid people draw up bodies that those bones fit in and colored their bodies with various shades of green, purple, yellow, red and orange to make them look like dinosaurs. He also made stupid people believe they came from apes who couldn't decide to stay apes or evolve into human beings. I guess some decided to remain apes and let human beings kill them later on.

You know close to nothing about Evolution.
The joke's on you, not on the scientifically literate. : :

I know a lot about stupid people believing in human beings evolving from apes. I know why God made those stupid people, too.
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8/2/2016 5:39:05 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/2/2016 5:35:43 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:33:23 PM, Omniverse wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:31:25 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:24:11 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :

Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.

Bwuahahahahahahahahaha : :

God also made some of his stupid people dig for bones and make them come up with make-believe stories about how those bones used to live in the past. He also made stupid people draw up bodies that those bones fit in and colored their bodies with various shades of green, purple, yellow, red and orange to make them look like dinosaurs. He also made stupid people believe they came from apes who couldn't decide to stay apes or evolve into human beings. I guess some decided to remain apes and let human beings kill them later on.

You know close to nothing about Evolution.
The joke's on you, not on the scientifically literate. : :

I know a lot about stupid people believing in human beings evolving from apes. I know why God made those stupid people, too.

Again, the joke's on you.
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8/2/2016 5:39:56 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/2/2016 5:31:25 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:24:11 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :

Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.

Bwuahahahahahahahahaha : :

God also made some of his stupid people dig for bones and make them come up with make-believe stories about how those bones used to live in the past. He also made stupid people draw up bodies that those bones fit in and colored their bodies with various shades of green, purple, yellow, red and orange to make them look like dinosaurs. He also made stupid people believe they came from apes who couldn't decide to stay apes or evolve into human beings. I guess some decided to remain apes and let human beings kill them later on.
Bwuahahahahahahahahaha
That's even funnier
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
62yrs old and as smart as a post. Your god must have made you.
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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8/2/2016 5:41:54 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/2/2016 5:39:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:31:25 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:24:11 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :

Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.

Bwuahahahahahahahahaha : :

God also made some of his stupid people dig for bones and make them come up with make-believe stories about how those bones used to live in the past. He also made stupid people draw up bodies that those bones fit in and colored their bodies with various shades of green, purple, yellow, red and orange to make them look like dinosaurs. He also made stupid people believe they came from apes who couldn't decide to stay apes or evolve into human beings. I guess some decided to remain apes and let human beings kill them later on.
Bwuahahahahahahahahaha
That's even funnier
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
62yrs old and as smart as a post. Your god must have made you.
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha : :

What's even funnier is he made people like you. LOL !!!!!!!
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8/2/2016 5:44:18 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/2/2016 5:41:54 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:39:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:31:25 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:24:11 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :

Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.

Bwuahahahahahahahahaha : :

God also made some of his stupid people dig for bones and make them come up with make-believe stories about how those bones used to live in the past. He also made stupid people draw up bodies that those bones fit in and colored their bodies with various shades of green, purple, yellow, red and orange to make them look like dinosaurs. He also made stupid people believe they came from apes who couldn't decide to stay apes or evolve into human beings. I guess some decided to remain apes and let human beings kill them later on.
Bwuahahahahahahahahaha
That's even funnier
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
62yrs old and as smart as a post. Your god must have made you.
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha : :

What's even funnier is he made people like you. LOL !!!!!!!
Nah he didn't. He doesn't exist but you go on believing that you won't die, it won't make any difference.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/2/2016 6:03:02 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/2/2016 5:44:18 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:41:54 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:39:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:31:25 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:24:11 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :

Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.

Bwuahahahahahahahahaha : :

God also made some of his stupid people dig for bones and make them come up with make-believe stories about how those bones used to live in the past. He also made stupid people draw up bodies that those bones fit in and colored their bodies with various shades of green, purple, yellow, red and orange to make them look like dinosaurs. He also made stupid people believe they came from apes who couldn't decide to stay apes or evolve into human beings. I guess some decided to remain apes and let human beings kill them later on.
Bwuahahahahahahahahaha
That's even funnier
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
62yrs old and as smart as a post. Your god must have made you.
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha : :

What's even funnier is he made people like you. LOL !!!!!!!
Nah he didn't. He doesn't exist but you go on believing that you won't die, it won't make any difference. : :

Belief in evolution won't change God's plan for you. Not even Darwin, Hitler or George Bush can change his plan.
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8/2/2016 9:18:56 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/2/2016 6:03:02 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:44:18 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:41:54 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:39:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:31:25 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:24:11 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :

Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.

Bwuahahahahahahahahaha : :

God also made some of his stupid people dig for bones and make them come up with make-believe stories about how those bones used to live in the past. He also made stupid people draw up bodies that those bones fit in and colored their bodies with various shades of green, purple, yellow, red and orange to make them look like dinosaurs. He also made stupid people believe they came from apes who couldn't decide to stay apes or evolve into human beings. I guess some decided to remain apes and let human beings kill them later on.
Bwuahahahahahahahahaha
That's even funnier
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
62yrs old and as smart as a post. Your god must have made you.
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha : :

What's even funnier is he made people like you. LOL !!!!!!!
Nah he didn't. He doesn't exist but you go on believing that you won't die, it won't make any difference. : :

Belief in evolution won't change God's plan for you. Not even Darwin, Hitler or George Bush can change his plan.

Nobody can change her plan because she is a fictional character.
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8/2/2016 10:24:44 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/2/2016 5:41:54 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:39:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:31:25 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:24:11 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :

Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.

Bwuahahahahahahahahaha : :

God also made some of his stupid people dig for bones and make them come up with make-believe stories about how those bones used to live in the past. He also made stupid people draw up bodies that those bones fit in and colored their bodies with various shades of green, purple, yellow, red and orange to make them look like dinosaurs. He also made stupid people believe they came from apes who couldn't decide to stay apes or evolve into human beings. I guess some decided to remain apes and let human beings kill them later on.
Bwuahahahahahahahahaha
That's even funnier
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
62yrs old and as smart as a post. Your god must have made you.
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha : :

What's even funnier is he made people like you. LOL !!!!!!!

What's even funnier is how much he will punish those who ignored the Bible verse of 1 Timothy 2:9. Oh wait, that would be 99% of all Christians in the world he will send to hell for ignoring it.
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8/3/2016 1:41:41 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/2/2016 3:17:49 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:12:28 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other?

1. The speed of light may not have always been constant. This has significant implications according to physics as we know it (as you indicated), but it's nothing that an all-powerful God couldn't handle.

What could affect the speed of light?

Light from a source is effected by the material it propagates through. Scientist have slowed light by emitting photons through a mask.
http://www.bbc.com...

They have also stopped it in a crystal.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...

also due to expansion the distance between point (A) and (B) could be expanding while the light is traveling.
http://www.nature.com...

Which is why distances are reported as co-moving or proper in astronomy. But i digress you didn't read the article you linked to. The LIGHT emitted from the GN-z11 was emitted 13 400 000 000 years ago. THE universe has been expanding and that's why the distance is 32 000 000 000 but that is not the AGE of the object even according to scientific consensus. How do you expect to argue these points if you don't even understand what is being said. Your own position should be for a 13 800 000 000 year old universe. NOT 32 000 000 000.

but let's address how this scientific consensus is established.

Astronomers gauge distance to cosmic objects by comparisons on top of comparisons. the most common comparison is to a "Standard Candle". Cosmic object said to emit the exact same luminosity or brightness every time it occurs. This of course has been rigorously studied and experimentally verified. OH WAIT.. no man made probe has ever experimented on anything outside this Solar System. No observation has affirmed that categorical cosmic objects definitely have the same luminosity at origin. so we HAVE to accept "Standard Candles" based on less non-empirical "evidence". So you do accept things without empirical evidence?

let's assume we have a real standard candle. Because Electromagnetic radiation dissipates into the surrounding at an inverse square relationship. Google it. Essentially stuff gets DIMMER the FURTHER away it is.

We also know that gravity warps the lines light follows. in fact one extremely distant cosmic object is a galaxy that is suspected of being lensed by gravity. And what lead to this conjecture? It was TOO BRIGHT! The Scientist said it was further away then it appears due to gravity lensing.

But "Standard Candles" only let us compare to other objects to get out as far as 32 000 000 000 light year (distance NOT time, you made such a mistake earlier).

So there is a vast amount of room for the age of the universe to be incorrect. IN FACT in 1987, probably the year you were born in. scientist studying Cepheid (a type of "Standard Candle") reported to the American Astronomical Society that the universe is no more than 10 billion years old.

And in 1999 it was said to be 12 billion.

And now 13.8 billion.

It seems the universe can't be old enough for some. Well We know it is not eternal. If it was ageless then all light from stars would be observable on earth and the night sky would be lit up by Stars in every square inch. But then if not ageless how old? The older the better.

honestly I'm Not a YEC. And I see YEC as a easy target for God-haters to attack. And yet you can't even do that right. because, hello G.O.D. It says in the bible he stretches out the heavens. :

Isaiah 51:13
that you forget the LORD your Maker, _ who stretches out the heavens _ and who lays the foundations of the earth, _that you live in constant terror every day _ because of the wrath of the oppressor, _ who is bent on destruction?

Stretches? such a weird term for goat-herders to use to describe the sky?

A YEC only needs to remark that maybe God stretched the heavens out. And that's why cosmic objects are further away than their age would allow light to travel.

OMG Jovian.. Scientific Consensus says the same thing! that cosmic objects like Gn-z11 is 32 000 000 000 light years away despite being only 13 400 000 000 years old.
It's further away than it's age would permit light to travel such a distance.


2. God could have created the light "in route", so it just appears to have been traveling for so long.

This would make astronomy become fuzzy though. How should we know for sure that the Sun is 15 lightminutes away, and Alpha Centauri 4 light years away, etc? Or are all objects lesser away than 6000 light years synchronized with their appeared distances?

You really don't understand Astronomy do you? I suggest you research Co-Moving vs Proper distance, Universe Expansion, Cosmic Ladder Scale, Paralax, ect..

And Chaos suggested GOD made it "in-route". You know what all powerful means right? You know what it means to create something and distress it to look older? Chaos is saying GOD made the star 32 000 000 000 light-years away. And then produced the light to already be hitting the Earth. This way GOD could put lights in the sky.
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8/3/2016 4:05:13 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/2/2016 9:18:56 PM, desmac wrote:
At 8/2/2016 6:03:02 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:44:18 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:41:54 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:39:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:31:25 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:24:11 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :

Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.

Bwuahahahahahahahahaha : :

God also made some of his stupid people dig for bones and make them come up with make-believe stories about how those bones used to live in the past. He also made stupid people draw up bodies that those bones fit in and colored their bodies with various shades of green, purple, yellow, red and orange to make them look like dinosaurs. He also made stupid people believe they came from apes who couldn't decide to stay apes or evolve into human beings. I guess some decided to remain apes and let human beings kill them later on.
Bwuahahahahahahahahaha
That's even funnier
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
62yrs old and as smart as a post. Your god must have made you.
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha : :

What's even funnier is he made people like you. LOL !!!!!!!
Nah he didn't. He doesn't exist but you go on believing that you won't die, it won't make any difference. : :

Belief in evolution won't change God's plan for you. Not even Darwin, Hitler or George Bush can change his plan.

Nobody can change her plan because she is a fictional character. : :

Your lies won't even change God's plan.
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8/3/2016 4:08:27 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/2/2016 10:24:44 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:41:54 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:39:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:31:25 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:24:11 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :

Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.

Bwuahahahahahahahahaha : :

God also made some of his stupid people dig for bones and make them come up with make-believe stories about how those bones used to live in the past. He also made stupid people draw up bodies that those bones fit in and colored their bodies with various shades of green, purple, yellow, red and orange to make them look like dinosaurs. He also made stupid people believe they came from apes who couldn't decide to stay apes or evolve into human beings. I guess some decided to remain apes and let human beings kill them later on.
Bwuahahahahahahahahaha
That's even funnier
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
62yrs old and as smart as a post. Your god must have made you.
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha : :

What's even funnier is he made people like you. LOL !!!!!!!

What's even funnier is how much he will punish those who ignored the Bible verse of 1 Timothy 2:9. Oh wait, that would be 99% of all Christians in the world he will send to hell for ignoring it. : :

It doesn't matter what Bible verses show. It's what was planned that matters and God has planned that all the inhabitants on earth will be destroyed.

2 Peter 3
10: But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.

Zephaniah 1
18: Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them on the day of the wrath of the LORD. In the fire of his jealous wrath, all the earth shall be consumed; for a full, yea, sudden end he will make of all the inhabitants of the earth.
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8/3/2016 5:01:05 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/3/2016 4:08:27 AM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 10:24:44 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:41:54 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:39:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:31:25 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:24:11 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :

Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.

Bwuahahahahahahahahaha : :

God also made some of his stupid people dig for bones and make them come up with make-believe stories about how those bones used to live in the past. He also made stupid people draw up bodies that those bones fit in and colored their bodies with various shades of green, purple, yellow, red and orange to make them look like dinosaurs. He also made stupid people believe they came from apes who couldn't decide to stay apes or evolve into human beings. I guess some decided to remain apes and let human beings kill them later on.
Bwuahahahahahahahahaha
That's even funnier
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
62yrs old and as smart as a post. Your god must have made you.
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha : :

What's even funnier is he made people like you. LOL !!!!!!!

What's even funnier is how much he will punish those who ignored the Bible verse of 1 Timothy 2:9. Oh wait, that would be 99% of all Christians in the world he will send to hell for ignoring it. : :

It doesn't matter what Bible verses show. It's what was planned that matters and God has planned that all the inhabitants on earth will be destroyed.

2 Peter 3
10: But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.

Zephaniah 1
18: Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them on the day of the wrath of the LORD. In the fire of his jealous wrath, all the earth shall be consumed; for a full, yea, sudden end he will make of all the inhabitants of the earth.

But it doesn't matter what bible vs show.
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8/3/2016 5:04:19 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/3/2016 5:01:05 AM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 8/3/2016 4:08:27 AM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 10:24:44 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:41:54 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:39:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:31:25 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:24:11 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :

Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.

Bwuahahahahahahahahaha : :

God also made some of his stupid people dig for bones and make them come up with make-believe stories about how those bones used to live in the past. He also made stupid people draw up bodies that those bones fit in and colored their bodies with various shades of green, purple, yellow, red and orange to make them look like dinosaurs. He also made stupid people believe they came from apes who couldn't decide to stay apes or evolve into human beings. I guess some decided to remain apes and let human beings kill them later on.
Bwuahahahahahahahahaha
That's even funnier
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
62yrs old and as smart as a post. Your god must have made you.
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha : :

What's even funnier is he made people like you. LOL !!!!!!!

What's even funnier is how much he will punish those who ignored the Bible verse of 1 Timothy 2:9. Oh wait, that would be 99% of all Christians in the world he will send to hell for ignoring it. : :

It doesn't matter what Bible verses show. It's what was planned that matters and God has planned that all the inhabitants on earth will be destroyed.

2 Peter 3
10: But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.

Zephaniah 1
18: Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them on the day of the wrath of the LORD. In the fire of his jealous wrath, all the earth shall be consumed; for a full, yea, sudden end he will make of all the inhabitants of the earth.

But it doesn't matter what bible vs show. : :

No it doesn't. The plan is to end this first age and replace it without the information that caused man to be confused. Christians don't know what the plan is because they're thoroughly confused by reading the Bible.
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8/3/2016 5:05:06 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/3/2016 4:05:13 AM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 9:18:56 PM, desmac wrote:
At 8/2/2016 6:03:02 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:44:18 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:41:54 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:39:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:31:25 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:24:11 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :

Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.

Bwuahahahahahahahahaha : :

God also made some of his stupid people dig for bones and make them come up with make-believe stories about how those bones used to live in the past. He also made stupid people draw up bodies that those bones fit in and colored their bodies with various shades of green, purple, yellow, red and orange to make them look like dinosaurs. He also made stupid people believe they came from apes who couldn't decide to stay apes or evolve into human beings. I guess some decided to remain apes and let human beings kill them later on.
Bwuahahahahahahahahaha
That's even funnier
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
62yrs old and as smart as a post. Your god must have made you.
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha : :

What's even funnier is he made people like you. LOL !!!!!!!
Nah he didn't. He doesn't exist but you go on believing that you won't die, it won't make any difference. : :

Belief in evolution won't change God's plan for you. Not even Darwin, Hitler or George Bush can change his plan.

Nobody can change her plan because she is a fictional character. : :

Your lies won't even change God's plan.

Would you care to prove that I am lying, Brad?
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8/3/2016 5:22:51 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/3/2016 5:05:06 AM, desmac wrote:
At 8/3/2016 4:05:13 AM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 9:18:56 PM, desmac wrote:
At 8/2/2016 6:03:02 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:44:18 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:41:54 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:39:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:31:25 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:24:11 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :

Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.

Bwuahahahahahahahahaha : :

God also made some of his stupid people dig for bones and make them come up with make-believe stories about how those bones used to live in the past. He also made stupid people draw up bodies that those bones fit in and colored their bodies with various shades of green, purple, yellow, red and orange to make them look like dinosaurs. He also made stupid people believe they came from apes who couldn't decide to stay apes or evolve into human beings. I guess some decided to remain apes and let human beings kill them later on.
Bwuahahahahahahahahaha
That's even funnier
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
62yrs old and as smart as a post. Your god must have made you.
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha : :

What's even funnier is he made people like you. LOL !!!!!!!
Nah he didn't. He doesn't exist but you go on believing that you won't die, it won't make any difference. : :

Belief in evolution won't change God's plan for you. Not even Darwin, Hitler or George Bush can change his plan.

Nobody can change her plan because she is a fictional character. : :

Your lies won't even change God's plan.

Would you care to prove that I am lying, Brad? : :

Liars don't accept proof anyway. Ask Hillary Clinton for proof that she's a liar and you will see what I mean.
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8/3/2016 5:24:49 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/3/2016 5:22:51 AM, BJH wrote:
At 8/3/2016 5:05:06 AM, desmac wrote:
At 8/3/2016 4:05:13 AM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 9:18:56 PM, desmac wrote:
At 8/2/2016 6:03:02 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:44:18 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:41:54 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:39:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:31:25 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:24:11 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :

Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.

Bwuahahahahahahahahaha : :

God also made some of his stupid people dig for bones and make them come up with make-believe stories about how those bones used to live in the past. He also made stupid people draw up bodies that those bones fit in and colored their bodies with various shades of green, purple, yellow, red and orange to make them look like dinosaurs. He also made stupid people believe they came from apes who couldn't decide to stay apes or evolve into human beings. I guess some decided to remain apes and let human beings kill them later on.
Bwuahahahahahahahahaha
That's even funnier
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
62yrs old and as smart as a post. Your god must have made you.
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha : :

What's even funnier is he made people like you. LOL !!!!!!!
Nah he didn't. He doesn't exist but you go on believing that you won't die, it won't make any difference. : :

Belief in evolution won't change God's plan for you. Not even Darwin, Hitler or George Bush can change his plan.

Nobody can change her plan because she is a fictional character. : :

Your lies won't even change God's plan.

Would you care to prove that I am lying, Brad? : :

Liars don't accept proof anyway. Ask Hillary Clinton for proof that she's a liar and you will see what I mean.

You didn't call HRC a liar, Brad. You called me a liar. Now either prove it or retract.
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8/3/2016 5:35:24 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/3/2016 5:24:49 AM, desmac wrote:
At 8/3/2016 5:22:51 AM, BJH wrote:
At 8/3/2016 5:05:06 AM, desmac wrote:
At 8/3/2016 4:05:13 AM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 9:18:56 PM, desmac wrote:
At 8/2/2016 6:03:02 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:44:18 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:41:54 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:39:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:31:25 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 5:24:11 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:10:46 PM, BJH wrote:
At 8/2/2016 2:02:39 PM, Jovian wrote:
If the Universe was created 6000 years ago, this must mean that light couldn't have travelled more than 6000 light years from the beginning of the Universe to the end of it. The farthest discovered object away from Earth is a galaxy which has been determined by astronomists to be 32 000 000 000 light years away from Earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org... ). And since we can see the light of it, this must mean that light has travelled at least 32 000 000 000 light years.

So how is this explained in Young Earth creationism? Is the method of estimating this distance a bad method? Is there any way you actually could conclude the distance to this galaxy to actually be 6000 light years? And is it really possible for so many stars, galaxies, black holes etc to coexist in a universe only 6000 light years wide? Wouldn't that many astronomical objects in such a narrow Universe pretty much blow up themselves with their gravity affecting each other? : :

Astrophysicists will never find the end of the universe and quantum physicists will never find the end to what they're looking for. God made sure of that.

Bwuahahahahahahahahaha : :

God also made some of his stupid people dig for bones and make them come up with make-believe stories about how those bones used to live in the past. He also made stupid people draw up bodies that those bones fit in and colored their bodies with various shades of green, purple, yellow, red and orange to make them look like dinosaurs. He also made stupid people believe they came from apes who couldn't decide to stay apes or evolve into human beings. I guess some decided to remain apes and let human beings kill them later on.
Bwuahahahahahahahahaha
That's even funnier
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
62yrs old and as smart as a post. Your god must have made you.
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha : :

What's even funnier is he made people like you. LOL !!!!!!!
Nah he didn't. He doesn't exist but you go on believing that you won't die, it won't make any difference. : :

Belief in evolution won't change God's plan for you. Not even Darwin, Hitler or George Bush can change his plan.

Nobody can change her plan because she is a fictional character. : :

Your lies won't even change God's plan.

Would you care to prove that I am lying, Brad? : :

Liars don't accept proof anyway. Ask Hillary Clinton for proof that she's a liar and you will see what I mean.

You didn't call HRC a liar, Brad. You called me a liar. Now either prove it or retract. : :

I've been speaking for God for over 8 years now so I don't have any problem calling you a liar. A Christian might have trouble calling you a liar because every Christian is a liar, too. They have never spoken for God.