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matt8800
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8/7/2016 7:06:58 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
This question is mainly directed towards theists:

If there was no God and materialism was true, how would the world be different?
Emmarie
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8/7/2016 7:30:27 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/7/2016 7:06:58 PM, matt8800 wrote:
This question is mainly directed towards theists:

If there was no God and materialism was true, how would the world be different?
We would worship nature and creation itself, because collectively it is greater than any one of us individually. I think what atheists are "missing out" on is a need to acknowledge a power greater than ourselves. I would feel insignificant to not assign any meaning to a force that has more power than I do individually, and feel as though I am capable of being an integral part of that force..
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8/7/2016 7:39:19 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/7/2016 7:30:27 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 8/7/2016 7:06:58 PM, matt8800 wrote:
This question is mainly directed towards theists:

If there was no God and materialism was true, how would the world be different?
We would worship nature and creation itself, because collectively it is greater than any one of us individually. I think what atheists are "missing out" on is a need to acknowledge a power greater than ourselves. I would feel insignificant to not assign any meaning to a force that has more power than I do individually, and feel as though I am capable of being an integral part of that force..

What does 'worship' mean to you? I am very much in awe of the universe and nature.
Emmarie
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8/7/2016 7:43:09 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/7/2016 7:39:19 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 8/7/2016 7:30:27 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 8/7/2016 7:06:58 PM, matt8800 wrote:
This question is mainly directed towards theists:

If there was no God and materialism was true, how would the world be different?
We would worship nature and creation itself, because collectively it is greater than any one of us individually. I think what atheists are "missing out" on is a need to acknowledge a power greater than ourselves. I would feel insignificant to not assign any meaning to a force that has more power than I do individually, and feel as though I am capable of being an integral part of that force..

What does 'worship' mean to you? I am very much in awe of the universe and nature.

To hold a deep respect, reverence and awe for! I guess you worship it under my definition and so do I then. I consider the sky my father and the earth my mom, even though I hold on to some belief and a conscious "God."
matt8800
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8/7/2016 7:50:38 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/7/2016 7:43:09 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 8/7/2016 7:39:19 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 8/7/2016 7:30:27 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 8/7/2016 7:06:58 PM, matt8800 wrote:
This question is mainly directed towards theists:

If there was no God and materialism was true, how would the world be different?
We would worship nature and creation itself, because collectively it is greater than any one of us individually. I think what atheists are "missing out" on is a need to acknowledge a power greater than ourselves. I would feel insignificant to not assign any meaning to a force that has more power than I do individually, and feel as though I am capable of being an integral part of that force..

What does 'worship' mean to you? I am very much in awe of the universe and nature.

To hold a deep respect, reverence and awe for! I guess you worship it under my definition and so do I then. I consider the sky my father and the earth my mom, even though I hold on to some belief and a conscious "God."

I accept the possibility of consciousness existing outside of the mind.
janesix
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8/7/2016 8:13:19 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/7/2016 7:06:58 PM, matt8800 wrote:
This question is mainly directed towards theists:

If there was no God and materialism was true, how would the world be different?

There would have been no god to set up our earth perfectly for our kind of life. Earth would be a barren wasteland with maybe bacteria and algae at the most.
matt8800
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8/7/2016 8:23:46 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/7/2016 8:13:19 PM, janesix wrote:
At 8/7/2016 7:06:58 PM, matt8800 wrote:
This question is mainly directed towards theists:

If there was no God and materialism was true, how would the world be different?

There would have been no god to set up our earth perfectly for our kind of life. Earth would be a barren wasteland with maybe bacteria and algae at the most.

I was mainly asking the question to theists that believe in an interventionist god that the Christians and Muslims believe in.
Chloe8
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8/7/2016 10:06:17 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/7/2016 8:13:19 PM, janesix wrote:
At 8/7/2016 7:06:58 PM, matt8800 wrote:
This question is mainly directed towards theists:

If there was no God and materialism was true, how would the world be different?

There would have been no god to set up our earth perfectly for our kind of life. Earth would be a barren wasteland with maybe bacteria and algae at the most.

The earth is far from perfect.

1. Predators.
2. Parasites.
3. Viruses.
4. Volcanic eruptions.
5. Meteor strikes.
6. Tsunamis.
7. Hurricanes.
8. Tornados.
9. Earthquakes.
10. Floods.

Why would a god create these flaws?

Is it evil?
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
matt8800
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8/7/2016 10:24:41 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/7/2016 10:06:17 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 8/7/2016 8:13:19 PM, janesix wrote:
At 8/7/2016 7:06:58 PM, matt8800 wrote:
This question is mainly directed towards theists:

If there was no God and materialism was true, how would the world be different?

There would have been no god to set up our earth perfectly for our kind of life. Earth would be a barren wasteland with maybe bacteria and algae at the most.

The earth is far from perfect.

1. Predators.
2. Parasites.
3. Viruses.
4. Volcanic eruptions.
5. Meteor strikes.
6. Tsunamis.
7. Hurricanes.
8. Tornados.
9. Earthquakes.
10. Floods.

Why would a god create these flaws?

Is it evil?

Yes, if there is no difference between whether an interventionist god exists or not, then he obviously doesn't exist or he would intervene.
DanMGTOW
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8/7/2016 10:29:11 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/7/2016 7:43:09 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 8/7/2016 7:39:19 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 8/7/2016 7:30:27 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 8/7/2016 7:06:58 PM, matt8800 wrote:
This question is mainly directed towards theists:

If there was no God and materialism was true, how would the world be different?
We would worship nature and creation itself, because collectively it is greater than any one of us individually. I think what atheists are "missing out" on is a need to acknowledge a power greater than ourselves. I would feel insignificant to not assign any meaning to a force that has more power than I do individually, and feel as though I am capable of being an integral part of that force..

What does 'worship' mean to you? I am very much in awe of the universe and nature.

To hold a deep respect, reverence and awe for! I guess you worship it under my definition and so do I then. I consider the sky my father and the earth my mom, even though I hold on to some belief and a conscious "God."

if worship = respect, then why use the word worship, since worship comes with so much extra baggage?
Emmarie
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8/7/2016 11:05:24 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/7/2016 10:29:11 PM, DanMGTOW wrote:
At 8/7/2016 7:43:09 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 8/7/2016 7:39:19 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 8/7/2016 7:30:27 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 8/7/2016 7:06:58 PM, matt8800 wrote:
This question is mainly directed towards theists:

If there was no God and materialism was true, how would the world be different?
We would worship nature and creation itself, because collectively it is greater than any one of us individually. I think what atheists are "missing out" on is a need to acknowledge a power greater than ourselves. I would feel insignificant to not assign any meaning to a force that has more power than I do individually, and feel as though I am capable of being an integral part of that force..

What does 'worship' mean to you? I am very much in awe of the universe and nature.

To hold a deep respect, reverence and awe for! I guess you worship it under my definition and so do I then. I consider the sky my father and the earth my mom, even though I hold on to some belief and a conscious "God."

if worship = respect, then why use the word worship, since worship comes with so much extra baggage?
Because I think my definition is a more accurate description of what Christ meant by the term, and since the belief that I hold on to is in Christ's representation of the Spirit of the "Father" of Creation, I use it to depict how I worship. I think religions have perverted the term to mean to ceremonially get together and make soulless music. The God that I believe in doesn't want lip service. I think he appreciates Black Gospel Music though cuz it has soul!
janesix
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8/7/2016 11:30:17 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/7/2016 10:06:17 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 8/7/2016 8:13:19 PM, janesix wrote:
At 8/7/2016 7:06:58 PM, matt8800 wrote:
This question is mainly directed towards theists:

If there was no God and materialism was true, how would the world be different?

There would have been no god to set up our earth perfectly for our kind of life. Earth would be a barren wasteland with maybe bacteria and algae at the most.

The earth is far from perfect.

1. Predators.
2. Parasites.
3. Viruses.
4. Volcanic eruptions.
5. Meteor strikes.
6. Tsunamis.
7. Hurricanes.
8. Tornados.
9. Earthquakes.
10. Floods.

Why would a god create these flaws?

Is it evil?
It might be.