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DanneJeRusse
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8/13/2016 5:58:41 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/13/2016 5:39:56 PM, UUU wrote:
Consistency and predictability are never ever a result of randomness.

Consider that disproved.
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RuvDraba
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8/13/2016 6:02:06 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/13/2016 5:39:56 PM, UUU wrote:
Consistency and predictability are never ever a result of randomness.

UUU, we can define randomness and predictability informatically. Randomness is our inability to extract information from observation, while predictability is our ability to correctly anticipate the information we may observe.

But note that these definitions are not about phenomena alone: they're also about our knowledge.

So to rephrase your statement with an equivalent one: from any observation, our ability to correctly anticipate information is not consistent with our inability to extract information -- that much is true.

However, in the rephrasing, you can see that this doesn't imply anything about the origins of order -- only our recognition of it.

And that is why using such arguments to imply deliberate, intelligent creation are ignorant and fallacious. They're a category error.
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8/13/2016 6:02:14 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
If you are interested in having a conversation with me, then I suggest you to respond to my other two threads,
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DanneJeRusse
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8/13/2016 6:03:20 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/13/2016 6:02:14 PM, UUU wrote:
If you are interested in having a conversation with me, then I suggest you to respond to my other two threads,
Magic http://www.debate.org...
Disprove this statement http://www.debate.org...

That's just plain stupid.
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8/13/2016 11:12:47 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/13/2016 5:39:56 PM, UUU wrote:
Consistency and predictability are never ever a result of randomness.

You can't disprove a tautology.
TheGreatAndPowerful
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8/13/2016 11:15:26 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/13/2016 11:12:47 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:
At 8/13/2016 5:39:56 PM, UUU wrote:
Consistency and predictability are never ever a result of randomness.

You can't disprove a tautology.

Actually I take that back:

Sierpinski's triangle
matt8800
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8/13/2016 11:30:02 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/13/2016 5:39:56 PM, UUU wrote:
Consistency and predictability are never ever a result of randomness.

'Self-organization is a process where some form of overall order or coordination arises out of the local interactions between smaller component parts of an initially disordered system. The process of self-organization can be spontaneous, and it is not necessarily controlled by any auxiliary agent outside of the system. It is often triggered by random fluctuations that are amplified by positive feedback. The resulting organization is wholly decentralized or distributed over all the components of the system. As such, the organization is typically robust and able to survive and, even, self-repair substantial damage or perturbations. Chaos theory discusses self-organization in terms of islands of predictability in a sea of chaotic unpredictability. Self-organization occurs in a variety of physical, chemical, biological, robotic, social, and cognitive systems. Examples of its realization can be found in crystallization, thermal convection of fluids, chemical oscillation, animal swarming, and artificial and biological neural networks.'

https://en.wikipedia.org...

Self Organization is a process that is fueled by entropy. If you google it, there is some fascinating information about it. It creates order from chaos; as in the example of crystals.