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Is information all that really exists?

Benshapiro
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8/14/2016 12:31:52 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
By "exist" I mean possessing reality -- but possessing reality in its most fundamental form. Maybe space-time and energy, the dimensions that seem to construct the primary nature of reality, are actually just expressions of information. The form in which they seem to exist is secondary to their primary form -- a primary form that is purely informational.

If this is true, reality is fundamentally mental and immaterial.

Also, if information is only the product of mind, then the informational content that constructs reality must also be the product the mind. Thus, if reality is purely informational it must be the product of God's mind (depending on the definition of God.)
janesix
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8/14/2016 12:41:33 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/14/2016 12:31:52 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
By "exist" I mean possessing reality -- but possessing reality in its most fundamental form. Maybe space-time and energy, the dimensions that seem to construct the primary nature of reality, are actually just expressions of information. The form in which they seem to exist is secondary to their primary form -- a primary form that is purely informational.

If this is true, reality is fundamentally mental and immaterial.

Also, if information is only the product of mind, then the informational content that constructs reality must also be the product the mind. Thus, if reality is purely informational it must be the product of God's mind (depending on the definition of God.)

I have thought about this often. If reality is a simulation, hologram or otherwise immaterial, then what is the point in having a body in the first place? Or making it so it seems that way?
willbedone
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8/14/2016 7:48:14 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/14/2016 12:41:33 AM, janesix wrote:
At 8/14/2016 12:31:52 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
By "exist" I mean possessing reality -- but possessing reality in its most fundamental form. Maybe space-time and energy, the dimensions that seem to construct the primary nature of reality, are actually just expressions of information. The form in which they seem to exist is secondary to their primary form -- a primary form that is purely informational.

If this is true, reality is fundamentally mental and immaterial.

Also, if information is only the product of mind, then the informational content that constructs reality must also be the product the mind. Thus, if reality is purely informational it must be the product of God's mind (depending on the definition of God.)

I have thought about this often. If reality is a simulation, hologram or otherwise immaterial, then what is the point in having a body in the first place? Or making it so it seems that way? : :

Can you imagine playing a simulation game without seeing parts of your body in it? What fun would it be to be in a simulation without a body?
SpiritandTruth
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8/15/2016 2:24:46 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
It is easy to twist this into "The only thing that exists is what can be known."

This is because information is defined by Merriam-Webster as being "the communication or reception of knowledge or intelligence"

Information cannot be observer independent, and the realest reality must be observer independent.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
willbedone
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8/15/2016 9:23:59 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/15/2016 2:24:46 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
It is easy to twist this into "The only thing that exists is what can be known."

This is because information is defined by Merriam-Webster as being "the communication or reception of knowledge or intelligence"

Information cannot be observer independent, and the realest reality must be observer independent. : :

The information that gives us life experiences was spoken into existence by someone or something that we can't possibly observe. This is why the ONE who spoke us and our experiences into existence has to be the teacher who reveals how he did it.
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8/15/2016 10:04:33 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/15/2016 9:23:59 AM, willbedone wrote:
At 8/15/2016 2:24:46 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
It is easy to twist this into "The only thing that exists is what can be known."

This is because information is defined by Merriam-Webster as being "the communication or reception of knowledge or intelligence"

Information cannot be observer independent, and the realest reality must be observer independent. : :

The information that gives us life experiences was spoken into existence by someone or something that we can't possibly observe. This is why the ONE who spoke us and our experiences into existence has to be the teacher who reveals how he did it.

What evidence do you have that this is the case?
The metaphysicist has no laboratory.
willbedone
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8/15/2016 11:29:38 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/15/2016 10:04:33 AM, Looncall wrote:
At 8/15/2016 9:23:59 AM, willbedone wrote:
At 8/15/2016 2:24:46 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
It is easy to twist this into "The only thing that exists is what can be known."

This is because information is defined by Merriam-Webster as being "the communication or reception of knowledge or intelligence"

Information cannot be observer independent, and the realest reality must be observer independent. : :

The information that gives us life experiences was spoken into existence by someone or something that we can't possibly observe. This is why the ONE who spoke us and our experiences into existence has to be the teacher who reveals how he did it.

What evidence do you have that this is the case? : :

LIke I said, it's impossible to see the Creator or the technology that he used to create the simulation program we're involved in. This is why scientists are so confused today after studying quantum mechanics for the past 100 + years.
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8/15/2016 12:30:32 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/14/2016 12:31:52 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
By "exist" I mean possessing reality -- but possessing reality in its most fundamental form. Maybe space-time and energy, the dimensions that seem to construct the primary nature of reality, are actually just expressions of information. The form in which they seem to exist is secondary to their primary form -- a primary form that is purely informational.

If this is true, reality is fundamentally mental and immaterial.

Also, if information is only the product of mind, then the informational content that constructs reality must also be the product the mind. Thus, if reality is purely informational it must be the product of God's mind (depending on the definition of God.)
The volumetric ratio of all single atoms can be expressed with an analogy. If you were to knock your knuckles on the floor every second for 30 million years you would say solid or substance one second and the rest of the time you would say emptiness. This person is extremely informative. He holds several degrees and is an information technologist that worked in numerous places. It's Chuck Missler. He also is an information specialist on things found in the Bible that couldn't have been mere chance given the forty people over two thousand years that contributed the verse to it.
https://www.google.com...
PureX
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8/15/2016 3:58:41 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/14/2016 12:31:52 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
By "exist" I mean possessing reality -- but possessing reality in its most fundamental form. Maybe space-time and energy, the dimensions that seem to construct the primary nature of reality, are actually just expressions of information. The form in which they seem to exist is secondary to their primary form -- a primary form that is purely informational.

If this is true, reality is fundamentally mental and immaterial.

Also, if information is only the product of mind, then the informational content that constructs reality must also be the product the mind. Thus, if reality is purely informational it must be the product of God's mind (depending on the definition of God.)

But declaring essence of reality "information" strikes my as being extremely biased in favor of human conscious awareness. For example; if all humans were to cease to exist this moment, the rest of the universe would continue on exactly as it is doing. And whatever "information" it's existence embodies, would be completely irrelevant, and would go completely unnoticed. Such that it's phenomenological embodiment would be pointless.

"Information" is what our sensory mechanisms send to our brains, to be processed into reality. It is not inherent to reality, itself.

However, reality does appear to be the expression of order, through the limitations inherent to the expression of energy. And that order presents us with what we perceive as "information".