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DanneJeRusse
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8/16/2016 7:29:43 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
It's been questioned from time to time the state of some DDO members mental health regarding the divine voices and visions they claim to experience. This article takes a somewhat satirical look at those similarities with Scriptures at the forefront.

Here's a teaser...

"Someone once asked what"s the difference between a Bible Prophet or Christian fundamentalist and a paranoid schizophrenic? Well, one hears voices in their head, has a heightened moral code, is judgmental yet can be very deceptive and manipulative, has delusions of being on a mission from God, sees things that no one else present sees, hears things that one else hears, sees lights in his head, is the center of the universe and has special knowledge that must be kept secret until the right time an then can only be understood as explained by the one. The other, of course, is a paranoid schizophrenic."

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com...
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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8/16/2016 7:37:27 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/16/2016 7:29:43 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
It's been questioned from time to time the state of some DDO members mental health regarding the divine voices and visions they claim to experience. This article takes a somewhat satirical look at those similarities with Scriptures at the forefront.

Here's a teaser...

"Someone once asked what"s the difference between a Bible Prophet or Christian fundamentalist and a paranoid schizophrenic? Well, one hears voices in their head, has a heightened moral code, is judgmental yet can be very deceptive and manipulative, has delusions of being on a mission from God, sees things that no one else present sees, hears things that one else hears, sees lights in his head, is the center of the universe and has special knowledge that must be kept secret until the right time an then can only be understood as explained by the one. The other, of course, is a paranoid schizophrenic."

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com...

In other words...you are a narrow minded atheist non free thinking sheep who drank the kollaid and is a...well bigot..
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8/17/2016 1:54:43 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/16/2016 7:29:43 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
It's been questioned from time to time the state of some DDO members mental health regarding the divine voices and visions they claim to experience. This article takes a somewhat satirical look at those similarities with Scriptures at the forefront.

Here's a teaser...

"Someone once asked what"s the difference between a Bible Prophet or Christian fundamentalist and a paranoid schizophrenic? Well, one hears voices in their head, has a heightened moral code, is judgmental yet can be very deceptive and manipulative, has delusions of being on a mission from God, sees things that no one else present sees, hears things that one else hears, sees lights in his head, is the center of the universe and has special knowledge that must be kept secret until the right time an then can only be understood as explained by the one. The other, of course, is a paranoid schizophrenic."

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com...

The different between apostles and mental illness regarding to the claim bringing a mission from God is evidence. The true apostles able easily to provide the evidence to back their claim, while the mental illness unable.
what proof or evidences are they?
They can be:
- the pure (holy) book, without any single flaw.
- miracles.
- a recorded life biography.
- Not diametrical with the science and the facts.
- universal or at least acceptable in his era or folk.
- the morality. of course it could be relative (not absolute) since different culture different life style and condition as well. for instance, the moral code in Rusia, China, and singapura are different from one another.
- and so on.
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8/17/2016 2:04:22 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/16/2016 7:37:27 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 8/16/2016 7:29:43 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
It's been questioned from time to time the state of some DDO members mental health regarding the divine voices and visions they claim to experience. This article takes a somewhat satirical look at those similarities with Scriptures at the forefront.

Here's a teaser...

"Someone once asked what"s the difference between a Bible Prophet or Christian fundamentalist and a paranoid schizophrenic? Well, one hears voices in their head, has a heightened moral code, is judgmental yet can be very deceptive and manipulative, has delusions of being on a mission from God, sees things that no one else present sees, hears things that one else hears, sees lights in his head, is the center of the universe and has special knowledge that must be kept secret until the right time an then can only be understood as explained by the one. The other, of course, is a paranoid schizophrenic."

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com...

In other words...you are a narrow minded atheist non free thinking sheep who drank the kollaid and is a...well bigot..

Someone is a bit salty. I mean i agree that this post is a bit brash, but jeez dude, take a joke. It's a satirical article.
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8/17/2016 2:08:37 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/17/2016 1:54:43 AM, uncung wrote:
At 8/16/2016 7:29:43 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
It's been questioned from time to time the state of some DDO members mental health regarding the divine voices and visions they claim to experience. This article takes a somewhat satirical look at those similarities with Scriptures at the forefront.

Here's a teaser...

"Someone once asked what"s the difference between a Bible Prophet or Christian fundamentalist and a paranoid schizophrenic? Well, one hears voices in their head, has a heightened moral code, is judgmental yet can be very deceptive and manipulative, has delusions of being on a mission from God, sees things that no one else present sees, hears things that one else hears, sees lights in his head, is the center of the universe and has special knowledge that must be kept secret until the right time an then can only be understood as explained by the one. The other, of course, is a paranoid schizophrenic."

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com...

The different between apostles and mental illness regarding to the claim bringing a mission from God is evidence. The true apostles able easily to provide the evidence to back their claim, while the mental illness unable.
what proof or evidences are they?
They can be:
- the pure (holy) book, without any single flaw.
- miracles.
- a recorded life biography.
- Not diametrical with the science and the facts.
- universal or at least acceptable in his era or folk.
- the morality. of course it could be relative (not absolute) since different culture different life style and condition as well. for instance, the moral code in Rusia, China, and singapura are different from one another.
- and so on.

The main problem with this argument is that there is really only one source for many apostles: the holy books they claim to be infallible, which also happen to contain (in many cases) the only evidence of their existence, miracles, and biographies.
uncung
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8/17/2016 2:28:57 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/17/2016 2:08:37 AM, bamiller43 wrote:
At 8/17/2016 1:54:43 AM, uncung wrote:
At 8/16/2016 7:29:43 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
It's been questioned from time to time the state of some DDO members mental health regarding the divine voices and visions they claim to experience. This article takes a somewhat satirical look at those similarities with Scriptures at the forefront.

Here's a teaser...

"Someone once asked what"s the difference between a Bible Prophet or Christian fundamentalist and a paranoid schizophrenic? Well, one hears voices in their head, has a heightened moral code, is judgmental yet can be very deceptive and manipulative, has delusions of being on a mission from God, sees things that no one else present sees, hears things that one else hears, sees lights in his head, is the center of the universe and has special knowledge that must be kept secret until the right time an then can only be understood as explained by the one. The other, of course, is a paranoid schizophrenic."

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com...

The different between apostles and mental illness regarding to the claim bringing a mission from God is evidence. The true apostles able easily to provide the evidence to back their claim, while the mental illness unable.
what proof or evidences are they?
They can be:
- the pure (holy) book, without any single flaw.
- miracles.
- a recorded life biography.
- Not diametrical with the science and the facts.
- universal or at least acceptable in his era or folk.
- the morality. of course it could be relative (not absolute) since different culture different life style and condition as well. for instance, the moral code in Rusia, China, and singapura are different from one another.
- and so on.

The main problem with this argument is that there is really only one source for many apostles: the holy books they claim to be infallible, which also happen to contain (in many cases) the only evidence of their existence, miracles, and biographies.

don't worry, then take a look another step, were theirs scientific, historically true, compatible with the recent facts and so on? If not then theirs are untrustworthy.
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8/17/2016 2:29:10 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/16/2016 7:29:43 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
It's been questioned from time to time the state of some DDO members mental health regarding the divine voices and visions they claim to experience. This article takes a somewhat satirical look at those similarities with Scriptures at the forefront.

Here's a teaser...

"Someone once asked what"s the difference between a Bible Prophet or Christian fundamentalist and a paranoid schizophrenic? Well, one hears voices in their head, has a heightened moral code, is judgmental yet can be very deceptive and manipulative, has delusions of being on a mission from God, sees things that no one else present sees, hears things that one else hears, sees lights in his head, is the center of the universe and has special knowledge that must be kept secret until the right time an then can only be understood as explained by the one. The other, of course, is a paranoid schizophrenic."

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com...

I think the individual who spends one's time trying to disprove those things which cannot be proven has objectified the products of the believer's imagination. The skeptic who argues with the believer gives legitimacy to the believer's objectification of one's own abstract thoughts.
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8/17/2016 2:40:18 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/17/2016 2:28:57 AM, uncung wrote:
At 8/17/2016 2:08:37 AM, bamiller43 wrote:
At 8/17/2016 1:54:43 AM, uncung wrote:
At 8/16/2016 7:29:43 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
It's been questioned from time to time the state of some DDO members mental health regarding the divine voices and visions they claim to experience. This article takes a somewhat satirical look at those similarities with Scriptures at the forefront.

Here's a teaser...

"Someone once asked what"s the difference between a Bible Prophet or Christian fundamentalist and a paranoid schizophrenic? Well, one hears voices in their head, has a heightened moral code, is judgmental yet can be very deceptive and manipulative, has delusions of being on a mission from God, sees things that no one else present sees, hears things that one else hears, sees lights in his head, is the center of the universe and has special knowledge that must be kept secret until the right time an then can only be understood as explained by the one. The other, of course, is a paranoid schizophrenic."

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com...

The different between apostles and mental illness regarding to the claim bringing a mission from God is evidence. The true apostles able easily to provide the evidence to back their claim, while the mental illness unable.
what proof or evidences are they?
They can be:
- the pure (holy) book, without any single flaw.
- miracles.
- a recorded life biography.
- Not diametrical with the science and the facts.
- universal or at least acceptable in his era or folk.
- the morality. of course it could be relative (not absolute) since different culture different life style and condition as well. for instance, the moral code in Rusia, China, and singapura are different from one another.
- and so on.

The main problem with this argument is that there is really only one source for many apostles: the holy books they claim to be infallible, which also happen to contain (in many cases) the only evidence of their existence, miracles, and biographies.

don't worry, then take a look another step, were theirs scientific, historically true, compatible with the recent facts and so on? If not then theirs are untrustworthy.

Fair enough. Good point.
DanneJeRusse
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8/17/2016 3:11:56 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/17/2016 1:54:43 AM, uncung wrote:
At 8/16/2016 7:29:43 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
It's been questioned from time to time the state of some DDO members mental health regarding the divine voices and visions they claim to experience. This article takes a somewhat satirical look at those similarities with Scriptures at the forefront.

Here's a teaser...

"Someone once asked what"s the difference between a Bible Prophet or Christian fundamentalist and a paranoid schizophrenic? Well, one hears voices in their head, has a heightened moral code, is judgmental yet can be very deceptive and manipulative, has delusions of being on a mission from God, sees things that no one else present sees, hears things that one else hears, sees lights in his head, is the center of the universe and has special knowledge that must be kept secret until the right time an then can only be understood as explained by the one. The other, of course, is a paranoid schizophrenic."

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com...

The different between apostles and mental illness regarding to the claim bringing a mission from God is evidence. The true apostles able easily to provide the evidence to back their claim, while the mental illness unable.
what proof or evidences are they?
They can be:
- the pure (holy) book, without any single flaw.

You'll need to explain exactly what that is considering no such holy book exists.

- miracles.

No such thing.

- a recorded life biography.

Irrelevant to the validity of the claims made.

- Not diametrical with the science and the facts.

No such holy book exists nor does it validate the claims made.

- universal or at least acceptable in his era or folk.

Irrelevant to the validity of the claims made.

- the morality. of course it could be relative (not absolute) since different culture different life style and condition as well. for instance, the moral code in Rusia, China, and singapura are different from one another.

Irrelevant to the validity of the claims made.

- and so on.

And so on... irrelevancy?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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8/17/2016 4:03:34 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/17/2016 3:11:56 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 8/17/2016 1:54:43 AM, uncung wrote:
At 8/16/2016 7:29:43 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
It's been questioned from time to time the state of some DDO members mental health regarding the divine voices and visions they claim to experience. This article takes a somewhat satirical look at those similarities with Scriptures at the forefront.

Here's a teaser...

"Someone once asked what"s the difference between a Bible Prophet or Christian fundamentalist and a paranoid schizophrenic? Well, one hears voices in their head, has a heightened moral code, is judgmental yet can be very deceptive and manipulative, has delusions of being on a mission from God, sees things that no one else present sees, hears things that one else hears, sees lights in his head, is the center of the universe and has special knowledge that must be kept secret until the right time an then can only be understood as explained by the one. The other, of course, is a paranoid schizophrenic."

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com...

The different between apostles and mental illness regarding to the claim bringing a mission from God is evidence. The true apostles able easily to provide the evidence to back their claim, while the mental illness unable.
what proof or evidences are they?
They can be:
- the pure (holy) book, without any single flaw.

You'll need to explain exactly what that is considering no such holy book exists.

- miracles.

No such thing.

- a recorded life biography.

Irrelevant to the validity of the claims made.

- Not diametrical with the science and the facts.

No such holy book exists nor does it validate the claims made.

- universal or at least acceptable in his era or folk.

Irrelevant to the validity of the claims made.

- the morality. of course it could be relative (not absolute) since different culture different life style and condition as well. for instance, the moral code in Rusia, China, and singapura are different from one another.

Irrelevant to the validity of the claims made.

- and so on.

And so on... irrelevancy?

why are they irrelevant? Can you provide some qualifications that have to be fulfilled so therefore relevant??
DanneJeRusse
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8/17/2016 5:46:04 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/17/2016 4:03:34 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/17/2016 3:11:56 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 8/17/2016 1:54:43 AM, uncung wrote:
At 8/16/2016 7:29:43 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
It's been questioned from time to time the state of some DDO members mental health regarding the divine voices and visions they claim to experience. This article takes a somewhat satirical look at those similarities with Scriptures at the forefront.

Here's a teaser...

"Someone once asked what"s the difference between a Bible Prophet or Christian fundamentalist and a paranoid schizophrenic? Well, one hears voices in their head, has a heightened moral code, is judgmental yet can be very deceptive and manipulative, has delusions of being on a mission from God, sees things that no one else present sees, hears things that one else hears, sees lights in his head, is the center of the universe and has special knowledge that must be kept secret until the right time an then can only be understood as explained by the one. The other, of course, is a paranoid schizophrenic."

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com...

The different between apostles and mental illness regarding to the claim bringing a mission from God is evidence. The true apostles able easily to provide the evidence to back their claim, while the mental illness unable.
what proof or evidences are they?
They can be:
- the pure (holy) book, without any single flaw.

You'll need to explain exactly what that is considering no such holy book exists.

- miracles.

No such thing.

- a recorded life biography.

Irrelevant to the validity of the claims made.

- Not diametrical with the science and the facts.

No such holy book exists nor does it validate the claims made.

- universal or at least acceptable in his era or folk.

Irrelevant to the validity of the claims made.

- the morality. of course it could be relative (not absolute) since different culture different life style and condition as well. for instance, the moral code in Rusia, China, and singapura are different from one another.

Irrelevant to the validity of the claims made.

- and so on.

And so on... irrelevancy?

why are they irrelevant? Can you provide some qualifications that have to be fulfilled so therefore relevant??

It could be that English is not your first language that you are having a difficult time reading what others say. I gave the qualifications above, which have to do with the validity of the claims made.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth