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Reasons to be anti-atheism

Benshapiro
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8/18/2016 4:52:47 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
(1) If God does not exist, reality is illusory.

(2) If God doesn't exist, everything exists inexplicably.

(3) If God doesn't exist, the first cause was a logical absurdity.

(4) if God doesn't exist, Hitler actually lived an equally moral life as any of us.

(5) If God doesn't exist, knowledge is no better than ignorance.

(6) If God doesn't exist, truth is no better than fiction.

(7) everything will be destroyed forever in the inevitable heat death of the universe.
distraff
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8/18/2016 5:37:11 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/18/2016 4:52:47 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
(1) If God does not exist, reality is illusory.

Who believes that?

(2) If God doesn't exist, everything exists inexplicably.

No, we have learned a lot about our origins and are making amazing progress in learning more.

(3) If God doesn't exist, the first cause was a logical absurdity.

Why would the first cause be logical for a God, but not for something else?

(4) if God doesn't exist, Hitler actually lived an equally moral life as any of us.

Morality should be about what is best for our happiness and our well being. WWII, genocide, torture, etc are really damaging to society and are a threat to everyone's well being.

(5) If God doesn't exist, knowledge is no better than ignorance.

Knowledge allows you to know what you need to do to improve your happiness and well being. So of course it is better.

(6) If God doesn't exist, truth is no better than fiction.

See the above.

(7) everything will be destroyed forever in the inevitable heat death of the universe.

The universe will end in trillions of years. Yes.
Benshapiro
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8/18/2016 5:56:09 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/18/2016 5:37:11 AM, distraff wrote:
At 8/18/2016 4:52:47 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
(1) If God does not exist, reality is illusory.

Who believes that?

Me. Would you like to know why?

(2) If God doesn't exist, everything exists inexplicably.

No, we have learned a lot about our origins and are making amazing progress in learning more.

I'm talking about an explanation as to why anything exists at all. Things in our universe exist contingently. None of it had to exist. If we found a supercomputer in middle of the desert we could take it apart and learn how each of its parts work but that isn't a sufficient explanation for why it's there in the first place.

(3) If God doesn't exist, the first cause was a logical absurdity.

Why would the first cause be logical for a God, but not for something else?

Because the only means for action is (1) free will, or (2) inherent probability. If atheism is true, option (2) is the only way all contingencies came into being. This means that all contingencies are either infinitely regressive or they had a quantitative beginning from eternity. Both options are logically absurd.

(4) if God doesn't exist, Hitler actually lived an equally moral life as any of us.

Morality should be about what is best for our happiness and our well being. WWII, genocide, torture, etc are really damaging to society and are a threat to everyone's well being.

If atheism is true, human beings are inherently not a means towards any end. This means anyone who believes exactly opposite of you is just as justified in making normative statements.

(5) If God doesn't exist, knowledge is no better than ignorance.

Knowledge allows you to know what you need to do to improve your happiness and well being. So of course it is better.

It can't be better if humanity is inherently not a means towards any end. The pursuit of ignorance is not better or worse than the pursuit of knowledge.

(6) If God doesn't exist, truth is no better than fiction.

See the above.

Same as above.

(7) everything will be destroyed forever in the inevitable heat death of the universe.

The universe will end in trillions of years. Yes.

Glad we agree on something. Almost forgot number 8.

(8) If God doesn't exist, no one has free will.
bulproof
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8/18/2016 8:13:24 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/18/2016 5:56:09 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 8/18/2016 5:37:11 AM, distraff wrote:
At 8/18/2016 4:52:47 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
(1) If God does not exist, reality is illusory.

Who believes that?

Me. Would you like to know why?

(2) If God doesn't exist, everything exists inexplicably.

No, we have learned a lot about our origins and are making amazing progress in learning more.

I'm talking about an explanation as to why anything exists at all. Things in our universe exist contingently. None of it had to exist. If we found a supercomputer in middle of the desert we could take it apart and learn how each of its parts work but that isn't a sufficient explanation for why it's there in the first place.

(3) If God doesn't exist, the first cause was a logical absurdity.

Why would the first cause be logical for a God, but not for something else?

Because the only means for action is (1) free will, or (2) inherent probability. If atheism is true, option (2) is the only way all contingencies came into being. This means that all contingencies are either infinitely regressive or they had a quantitative beginning from eternity. Both options are logically absurd.

(4) if God doesn't exist, Hitler actually lived an equally moral life as any of us.

Morality should be about what is best for our happiness and our well being. WWII, genocide, torture, etc are really damaging to society and are a threat to everyone's well being.

If atheism is true, human beings are inherently not a means towards any end. This means anyone who believes exactly opposite of you is just as justified in making normative statements.

(5) If God doesn't exist, knowledge is no better than ignorance.

Knowledge allows you to know what you need to do to improve your happiness and well being. So of course it is better.

It can't be better if humanity is inherently not a means towards any end. The pursuit of ignorance is not better or worse than the pursuit of knowledge.

(6) If God doesn't exist, truth is no better than fiction.

See the above.

Same as above.

(7) everything will be destroyed forever in the inevitable heat death of the universe.

The universe will end in trillions of years. Yes.

Glad we agree on something. Almost forgot number 8.

(8) If God doesn't exist, no one has free will.
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Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/18/2016 9:08:59 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/18/2016 4:52:47 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
(1) If God does not exist, reality is illusory.

Fallacy known as Appeal to Consequences.

(2) If God doesn't exist, everything exists inexplicably.

Fallacy known as Appeal to Consequences.

(3) If God doesn't exist, the first cause was a logical absurdity.

Fallacy known as Appeal to Consequences.

(4) if God doesn't exist, Hitler actually lived an equally moral life as any of us.

Fallacy known as Appeal to Consequences.

(5) If God doesn't exist, knowledge is no better than ignorance.

Fallacy known as Appeal to Consequences.

(6) If God doesn't exist, truth is no better than fiction.

Fallacy known as Appeal to Consequences.

(7) everything will be destroyed forever in the inevitable heat death of the universe.

The heat death of the Universe is, as far as current scientific knowledge goes, the inevitable corollary of the physical laws governing it. Obviously, atheism is not responsible for those laws. An eventual God creator is.

Your argument is patently absurd and, again, an Appeal to Consequences fallacy.

Additionally, it is also a flawed argument because other universes of a possible Multiverse may outlive this one of ours. Furthermore, supernatural or so-called spiritual entities whose existence is not dependant nor inextricably linked to the existence of a Creator deity may also survive the heat death of this universe. So this can also be categorized as an Argument from Ignorance, raised to the power of two.

Just spectacular, Ben.
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