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Norrin
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8/25/2016 6:45:18 AM
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Evolution is true and God doesn't exist, but evolution doesn't disprove God common sense disproves God.
riyad70
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8/25/2016 6:55:13 AM
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At 8/25/2016 6:41:20 AM, bulproof wrote:
Done and done.

Not necessarily through the same route.

The question is simple, can evolution be used as a proof that God doesn't exist, and why ?
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8/25/2016 7:31:14 AM
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At 8/25/2016 6:55:13 AM, riyad70 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 6:41:20 AM, bulproof wrote:
Done and done.

Not necessarily through the same route.

The question is simple, can evolution be used as a proof that God doesn't exist, and why ?
Evolution is true and gods are simply the claims of man. Completely unrelated.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/25/2016 7:43:21 AM
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At 8/25/2016 7:31:14 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/25/2016 6:55:13 AM, riyad70 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 6:41:20 AM, bulproof wrote:
Done and done.

Not necessarily through the same route.

The question is simple, can evolution be used as a proof that God doesn't exist, and why ?
Evolution is true and gods are simply the claims of man. Completely unrelated.

I was under the impression that there are evolutionists vs creationists.

Let's see if others will agree with you.
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8/25/2016 8:34:38 AM
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At 8/25/2016 6:37:04 AM, riyad70 wrote:
Assuming Evolution is proven true , will this mean God doesn't exist ?

Evolution is correct, the scientific community agrees on this. However, this doesn't necessarily disprove the existence of God.
Meh!
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8/25/2016 10:04:20 AM
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At 8/25/2016 6:37:04 AM, riyad70 wrote:
Assuming Evolution is proven true , will this mean God doesn't exist ?

It has been.
What it does disprove are certain creation myths, not necessarily any gods.
The metaphysicist has no laboratory.
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8/25/2016 11:05:16 AM
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At 8/25/2016 6:37:04 AM, riyad70 wrote:
Assuming Evolution is proven true , will this mean God doesn't exist ?

Evolution is proven to be true, the evidence is compelling and irrefutable.

Irrespective of whether or not evolution is proven, God does not exist because there is no evidence to suggest so.

However the fact that evolution has been proven completely eliminates the possibility of creation of life.

So far as how matter came to be, nobody knows yet. This still gives nobody the right to claim that there is a God though, the reason being, without evidence, God does not exist.
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8/25/2016 11:38:25 AM
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At 8/25/2016 6:37:04 AM, riyad70 wrote:
Assuming Evolution is proven true , will this mean God doesn't exist ?
Evolution describes how species' heritable characteristics change over time. Fossils exist to prove this. And the earth is not 6,000 but 4.5 billion years old, which makes the span of evolution rather extensive.

Meanwhile, God is simultaneously unverifiable and unfalsifiable. But that is beside the point. Theology is a matter of exegesis, not empirical method.

Done.
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8/25/2016 12:16:15 PM
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At 8/25/2016 11:05:16 AM, Willows wrote:
At 8/25/2016 6:37:04 AM, riyad70 wrote:
Assuming Evolution is proven true , will this mean God doesn't exist ?

However the fact that evolution has been proven completely eliminates the possibility of creation of life.

Why ?

Evolution and creation cannot coexist ? based on what ?
Chaosism
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8/25/2016 12:28:34 PM
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At 8/25/2016 6:37:04 AM, riyad70 wrote:
Assuming Evolution is proven true , will this mean God doesn't exist ?

Nope. All that would do is falsify incompatible hypotheses, namely the Biblical creation account. This would simply force people to interpret it as metaphor, though. Many Christians already believe Evolution is true, anyway, hence Theistic Evolution (https://en.wikipedia.org...).

The existence of a god, in general, is an unfalsifiable claim. As such, it essentially compatible with pretty much anything science may reveal.
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8/25/2016 12:29:55 PM
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At 8/25/2016 6:37:04 AM, riyad70 wrote:
Assuming Evolution is proven true , will this mean God doesn't exist ?

Microevolution has been proven true. But no, macroevolution (not been proven) does not harm religion in any way. The evidence used for macroevolution can easily be applied to a God.

And the evolutionary theory of how life began is laughable in many respects. No one seriously accepts abiogenesis. I could go on and on...
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8/25/2016 12:37:47 PM
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Evolution seems to be very credible, it needs a bit more work on it crossing all the 'is' and 'ts'.

It is possible a godlike entity could live in some dimension , but the Biblical god is highly unlikely to be it. Surely a real god wouldn't be subject to human paranoia and vicious temper tantrums?
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8/25/2016 12:47:14 PM
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At 8/25/2016 6:37:04 AM, riyad70 wrote:
Assuming Evolution is proven true , will this mean God doesn't exist ?
Assume that there are fossils under the worlds seas and oceans, which is more than likely. How long do you think it will take to uncover it and fit it into the idea of evolution?
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8/25/2016 1:10:56 PM
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At 8/25/2016 11:05:16 AM, Willows wrote:
Irrespective of whether or not evolution is proven, God does not exist because there is no evidence to suggest so.
Oh, but the evidence-based approach is only relevant to the empirical method. Someone needs a dose of Kant, I gather. A bit of continental Enlightenment rationalism to weed out the most arid aspects of 17th century empiricism.

But maybe you reject rationalism as well?
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8/25/2016 1:15:58 PM
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At 8/25/2016 12:16:15 PM, riyad70 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 11:05:16 AM, Willows wrote:
At 8/25/2016 6:37:04 AM, riyad70 wrote:
Assuming Evolution is proven true , will this mean God doesn't exist ?

However the fact that evolution has been proven completely eliminates the possibility of creation of life.

Why ?

Evolution and creation cannot coexist ? based on what ?

Based on facts. Evolution and creation "coexisting" is a term used by theists as a feable attempt to acknowledge evolution......"but somewhere in the process God intervened", ....where and how they fail to explain.
Therefore the claim can be dismissed. There is no such thing as creation of life by intelligent design. If there is I will be happy to see the evidence.
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8/25/2016 1:21:47 PM
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At 8/25/2016 1:10:56 PM, NHN wrote:
At 8/25/2016 11:05:16 AM, Willows wrote:
Irrespective of whether or not evolution is proven, God does not exist because there is no evidence to suggest so.
Oh, but the evidence-based approach is only relevant to the empirical method. Someone needs a dose of Kant, I gather. A bit of continental Enlightenment rationalism to weed out the most arid aspects of 17th century empiricism.

But maybe you reject rationalism as well?

Well I have studied it a bit but Kant get my head around it completely.
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8/25/2016 2:16:30 PM
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At 8/25/2016 12:29:55 PM, Jerry947 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 6:37:04 AM, riyad70 wrote:
Assuming Evolution is proven true , will this mean God doesn't exist ?

Microevolution has been proven true. But no, macroevolution (not been proven) does not harm religion in any way.

Sorry Jerry, but evolution is a fact and whether it harms religion or not does not change that fact. Religion harms itself and needs no help in that department.

The evidence used for macroevolution can easily be applied to a God.

Sure, if you want to use evolution as the cause of how religions and gods have evolved over time, feel free.

And the evolutionary theory of how life began is laughable in many respects. No one seriously accepts abiogenesis.

Except the scientific community and every thinking sane person.

I could go on and on...

But, you would be humiliating yourself if you did as you do now.
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8/25/2016 3:58:08 PM
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At 8/25/2016 6:37:04 AM, riyad70 wrote:
Assuming Evolution is proven true , will this mean God doesn't exist ?

No, evolution simply proves creation claims to be false that are contrary to evolution. In that regard, if religious scientific and historical claims are proven false, the validity of all the other religious claims come into question.
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8/25/2016 4:26:47 PM
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At 8/25/2016 1:15:58 PM, Willows wrote:
At 8/25/2016 12:16:15 PM, riyad70 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 11:05:16 AM, Willows wrote:
At 8/25/2016 6:37:04 AM, riyad70 wrote:
Assuming Evolution is proven true , will this mean God doesn't exist ?

However the fact that evolution has been proven completely eliminates the possibility of creation of life.

Why ?

Evolution and creation cannot coexist ? based on what ?

Based on facts. Evolution and creation "coexisting" is a term used by theists as a feable attempt to acknowledge evolution......"but somewhere in the process God intervened", ....where and how they fail to explain.
Therefore the claim can be dismissed. There is no such thing as creation of life by intelligent design. If there is I will be happy to see the evidence.

Well if you can believe that your intelligence came from nowhere then you'll never see the evidence
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8/25/2016 4:28:04 PM
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At 8/25/2016 12:37:47 PM, tarantula wrote:
Evolution seems to be very credible, it needs a bit more work on it crossing all the 'is' and 'ts'.

It is possible a godlike entity could live in some dimension , but the Biblical god is highly unlikely to be it. Surely a real god wouldn't be subject to human paranoia and vicious temper tantrums?

It will depend on which god is that.
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8/25/2016 4:35:49 PM
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At 8/25/2016 12:29:55 PM, Jerry947 wrote:
At 8/25/2016 6:37:04 AM, riyad70 wrote:
Assuming Evolution is proven true , will this mean God doesn't exist ?

Microevolution has been proven true. But no, macroevolution (not been proven) does not harm religion in any way. The evidence used for macroevolution can easily be applied to a God.

And the evolutionary theory of how life began is laughable in many respects. No one seriously accepts abiogenesis. I could go on and on...

In this sense the claim will be God created life, allowed for evolution, and somehow He decided to intervene here and there ...

Again, why ?
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8/25/2016 5:55:52 PM
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At 8/25/2016 6:37:04 AM, riyad70 wrote:
Assuming Evolution is proven true , will this mean God doesn't exist ?

No. Why couldnt god create things to evolve?
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8/25/2016 6:04:29 PM
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At 8/25/2016 6:45:18 AM, Norrin wrote:
Evolution is true and God doesn't exist, but evolution doesn't disprove God common sense disproves God. : :

Common sense is shared experiences within a group of people. So if you're using common sense to judge another group of people who have totally different experiences that your group has, then you're using the wrong common sense to judge them with.

My experiences is way different than yours so your common sense can't include me in your group.
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8/25/2016 6:10:26 PM
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At 8/25/2016 6:37:04 AM, riyad70 wrote:
Assuming Evolution is proven true , will this mean God doesn't exist ?

The problem is that if evolution should turn out to be true, science must be false. Science is based on the premise that the laws of nature are regular. That is, they are defineable, repeatable, model-able, etc. The scientific method is based on this premise - if something is science, it can be repeated, at will, by experiment. But evolution is based on the premise that impossible things can happen given a billion years or so. Things that could never happen in a lab, did happen in distant history, according to the legend. So it's science, not God, that is threatened by evolution.
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8/25/2016 6:11:12 PM
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At 8/25/2016 6:37:04 AM, riyad70 wrote:
Assuming Evolution is proven true , will this mean God doesn't exist ?

It will mean claims about certain gods are false. For example, the claims of god creating humans and creature fulled formed some 6000-10000 years ago cannot be true if evolution is accurate.

Also, evolution will never be "proved" true unless science loses its objectivity, stops encouraging criticism of conclusions, and holds concepts without accountability. I hope that never happens. That being said, evolution is as close to "proven" as it will ever get, although it is vastly more substantiated than competing conjectures (including those of religion).
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8/25/2016 6:11:28 PM
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At 8/25/2016 5:55:52 PM, janesix wrote:
At 8/25/2016 6:37:04 AM, riyad70 wrote:
Assuming Evolution is proven true , will this mean God doesn't exist ?

No. Why couldnt god create things to evolve?

Presumably he could have. He just would have had to make things work differently than the natural world we find ourselves in.
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8/25/2016 6:14:06 PM
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At 8/25/2016 6:11:28 PM, v3nesl wrote:
At 8/25/2016 5:55:52 PM, janesix wrote:
At 8/25/2016 6:37:04 AM, riyad70 wrote:
Assuming Evolution is proven true , will this mean God doesn't exist ?

No. Why couldnt god create things to evolve?

Presumably he could have. He just would have had to make things work differently than the natural world we find ourselves in.
Different how exactly? It seems pretty intelligent to give organisms the ability to adapt to a changing environment.
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8/25/2016 6:19:25 PM
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At 8/25/2016 6:11:28 PM, v3nesl wrote:
At 8/25/2016 5:55:52 PM, janesix wrote:
At 8/25/2016 6:37:04 AM, riyad70 wrote:
Assuming Evolution is proven true , will this mean God doesn't exist ?

No. Why couldnt god create things to evolve?

Presumably he could have. He just would have had to make things work differently than the natural world we find ourselves in.: :

Everything that we perceive with our created senses are constantly changing. Those tiny little particles that give us a visible world to experience never stay in the same place.