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Skyangel
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8/28/2016 1:15:21 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
I think this is very interesting documentary. >>>>> Check it out if you have an hour to spare.. >>>>

The following text is written on you tube under the documentary..
"The Spirit Molecule investigates dimethyltryptamine (DMT), an endogenous psychoactive compound, which exists in humans and numerous species of plants and animals. The documentary traces Dr. Rick Strassman's government-sanctioned, human DMT research and its many trials, tribulations, and inconceivable realizations. A closer examination of DMT's effects through the lens of two traditionally opposed concepts, science and spirituality, The Spirit Molecule explores the connections between cutting-edge neuroscience, quantum physics, and human spirituality. Strassman's research, and the experiences of the human test subjects before, during, and after the intense clinical trials, raises many intriguing questions. A variety of experts voice their unique thoughts and experiences with DMT within their respective fields. As Strassman's story unfolds, the contributors weigh in on his remarkable theories, including the synthesis of DMT in our brain's pineal gland, and its link to near-death experiences."

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If you watch it, let me know what you think.

Do you think the reality of imagination is an alternate reality to our physical reality?

Do you think there is a possibility that 'spirit' can exist outside the human body as in 'out of body' experiences?
'Spirit' above is defined as the non-physical part of a person which is the seat of emotions and character; the soul. Think of it as a persons character and personality which includes their thoughts and imaginations... the part of the deceased which lives on in living peoples memories.

Have any of you ever had an 'out of body' experience?

Do you think the experience of being 'outside the body' is an illusion of a mind which is under severe stress or under the influence of strong hallucinogens?
keithprosser
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8/28/2016 1:48:36 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
It seems that a low level of DMT is necessary for normal brain function but higher levels cause brains to mis-fire.

I really can't get excited by hallucinogens. I experimented a half-dozen or so times with LSD and magic mushrooms as student 30 odd years ago and the distorted view of reality was quite fun, but I never thought it revealed anything deep. To think that way is to think a distorting mirror provides mystical insights. It doesn't - it's just a diverting illusion.

There is - alas - no chemical short cut to understanding the nature of reality or understanding anything else. There is no substitute for thinking hard and long about things on that side. Don't get me wrong - trips can be good fun but their philosophical significance can be wildly overstated.
Skyangel
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8/28/2016 5:18:32 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/28/2016 1:48:36 AM, keithprosser wrote:
It seems that a low level of DMT is necessary for normal brain function but higher levels cause brains to mis-fire.

It seems to me that any chemical imbalance in the human body results in abnormal affects and causes people to become unbalanced in some way.
It seems we need the correct balance of chemicals in the body for it to work correctly in a healthy normal way.
Too much or not enough seems to result in unbalanced mental or physical phenomenon.

I really can't get excited by hallucinogens. I experimented a half-dozen or so times with LSD and magic mushrooms as student 30 odd years ago and the distorted view of reality was quite fun, but I never thought it revealed anything deep. To think that way is to think a distorting mirror provides mystical insights. It doesn't - it's just a diverting illusion.

It seems that many people get distracted and deceived by those diverting illusions.
It seems they get addicted to the 'trip' and can't or don't want to give it up. Getting lost in their own illusions and delusions seems to be a way to escape the reality they don't want to face.
It seems to divert them from reality into an alternate reality, one which is imagined and experienced in their mind.
eg. They might imagine being 'out of their body' when in fact they have never left the body any more than they leave their body in a dream. They are merely in an altered state of consciousness.

There is - alas - no chemical short cut to understanding the nature of reality or understanding anything else. There is no substitute for thinking hard and long about things on that side. Don't get me wrong - trips can be good fun but their philosophical significance can be wildly overstated.

I agree there is no substitute for deep thinking about reality and all its aspects.
Taking chemicals or drugs can give a person the knowledge and understanding of what is like to experience the affects of those things but we can also learn about those affects by observing the impact of the drugs on people who take them.
rcreynolds
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8/28/2016 6:48:17 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/28/2016 1:15:21 AM, Skyangel wrote:
I think this is very interesting documentary. >>>>> Check it out if you have an hour to spare.. >>>>



The following text is written on you tube under the documentary..
"The Spirit Molecule investigates dimethyltryptamine (DMT), an endogenous psychoactive compound, which exists in humans and numerous species of plants and animals. The documentary traces Dr. Rick Strassman's government-sanctioned, human DMT research and its many trials, tribulations, and inconceivable realizations. A closer examination of DMT's effects through the lens of two traditionally opposed concepts, science and spirituality, The Spirit Molecule explores the connections between cutting-edge neuroscience, quantum physics, and human spirituality. Strassman's research, and the experiences of the human test subjects before, during, and after the intense clinical trials, raises many intriguing questions. A variety of experts voice their unique thoughts and experiences with DMT within their respective fields. As Strassman's story unfolds, the contributors weigh in on his remarkable theories, including the synthesis of DMT in our brain's pineal gland, and its link to near-death experiences."

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If you watch it, let me know what you think.

Do you think the reality of imagination is an alternate reality to our physical reality?

Do you think there is a possibility that 'spirit' can exist outside the human body as in 'out of body' experiences? : :

The "spirit" is created. The body is the illusion that is formed from the spirit.

'Spirit' above is defined as the non-physical part of a person which is the seat of emotions and character; the soul. Think of it as a persons character and personality which includes their thoughts and imaginations... the part of the deceased which lives on in living peoples memories.

Have any of you ever had an 'out of body' experience?

Many of them.

Do you think the experience of being 'outside the body' is an illusion of a mind which is under severe stress or under the influence of strong hallucinogens? : :

Everything is experienced in the mind. When you experience yourself walking around on an earth, what you're observing is a formed illusion. In fact, once your body is trained to walk on certain paths, your thoughts can take you somewhere totally different.
SpiritandTruth
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8/28/2016 6:49:32 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
Consult your pineal gland.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
keithprosser
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8/28/2016 6:49:53 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
Taking chemicals or drugs can give a person the knowledge and understanding of what is like to experience the affects of those things but we can also learn about those affects by observing the impact of the drugs on people who take them.

Hmm... using that logic porn is a just as good as sex....

I will not go as far as recommending people try a hallucinogen at least once in their lives, but I wouldn't condemn anyone for such an self-experiment either. The lack of philosophical 'depth' to such experiences is well summed up by Bertrand Russell who wrote about his experiment with inhaling ether:

"Henceforth all was clear: a few words had lifted my intelligence to the level of the knowledge of the cherubim. As my natural condition returned, I remembered my resolution; and, staggering to my desk, I wrote, in ill-shaped, straggling characters, the all-embracing truth still glimmering in my consciousness. The words were these:

"A STRONG SMELL OF TURPENTINE PREVAILS THROUGHOUT"
Skyangel
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8/29/2016 1:10:28 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/28/2016 6:49:53 AM, keithprosser wrote:
Taking chemicals or drugs can give a person the knowledge and understanding of what is like to experience the affects of those things but we can also learn about those affects by observing the impact of the drugs on people who take them.

Hmm... using that logic porn is a just as good as sex....

That depends on your personal perception and interpretation of what I wrote. My thoughts are more along the line that you do not need to experience something to understand how it works. For example, women experience a baby growing inside them and then the birth of the child. Men never have that experience but they can still learn about the process and how it works and how it affects a woman.
You do not need to become an alcoholic in order to know that too much alcohol has undesirable affects on the body and mind and in some cases can cause ultimate death through alcohol poisoning.
You only need to observe someone dying due to imbibing a poisonous substance to put you off the idea of swallowing the same substance unless of course you wish to experience the same death they did.

I will not go as far as recommending people try a hallucinogen at least once in their lives, but I wouldn't condemn anyone for such an self-experiment either. The lack of philosophical 'depth' to such experiences is well summed up by Bertrand Russell who wrote about his experiment with inhaling ether:

When people take substances which have an affect on their body and mind they subject themselves to the end result of their own accord. Every action has a reaction. Learning about what results are created by a cause teaches one to avoid the cause if they do not like the end result.

"Henceforth all was clear: a few words had lifted my intelligence to the level of the knowledge of the cherubim. As my natural condition returned, I remembered my resolution; and, staggering to my desk, I wrote, in ill-shaped, straggling characters, the all-embracing truth still glimmering in my consciousness. The words were these:

"A STRONG SMELL OF TURPENTINE PREVAILS THROUGHOUT"

I find that to be quite comical.
I think it is foolish for people to do experiments on themselves and attempt to record the result while in a mind altered state.
I think people who want to volunteer as human guinea pigs should be under medical supervision.
keithprosser
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8/29/2016 8:51:57 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
Officially, I will agree with you. Unofficially.... trip once taking sensible precautions to stop you doing anything stupid. A non-tripping buddy you can really trust is probably enough.

I can't comment on non-hallucinogens like amphetemines or opiates - I've never tried them and I'm not likely to.