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bulproof
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8/30/2016 2:16:00 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/30/2016 2:31:34 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 2:16:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?
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8/30/2016 2:36:11 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 2:31:34 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:16:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?
Because all three of their gods told them to. Koran, Muhammad and Allah.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/30/2016 2:36:47 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 2:31:34 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:16:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
http://www.debate.org...
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8/30/2016 2:40:22 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 2:36:11 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:31:34 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:16:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?
Because all three of their gods told them to. Koran, Muhammad and Allah.

what does the quran say about it?
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8/30/2016 2:42:29 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 2:40:22 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:36:11 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:31:34 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:16:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?
Because all three of their gods told them to. Koran, Muhammad and Allah.

what does the quran say about it?

Beat your wife. Haven't you read it?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/30/2016 2:42:35 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 2:36:47 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:31:34 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:16:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Quran 4/34
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8/30/2016 2:44:06 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 2:42:29 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:40:22 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:36:11 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:31:34 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:16:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?
Because all three of their gods told them to. Koran, Muhammad and Allah.

what does the quran say about it?

Beat your wife. Haven't you read it?

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."
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8/30/2016 2:45:25 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 2:42:35 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:36:47 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:31:34 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:16:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Quran 4/34

Yes that's it. Well done.
You've made my argument, now what's yours.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/30/2016 2:46:19 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 2:42:35 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:36:47 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:31:34 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:16:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Quran 4/34

One, possibly among others.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
http://www.debate.org...
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8/30/2016 2:50:22 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 2:45:25 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:42:35 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:36:47 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:31:34 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:16:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Quran 4/34

Yes that's it. Well done.
You've made my argument, now what's yours.

What should I say? the verse is clear.
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8/30/2016 2:51:06 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 2:46:19 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:42:35 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:36:47 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:31:34 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:16:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Quran 4/34

One, possibly among others.

So?
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8/30/2016 2:55:33 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Quran 4/34

One, possibly among others.

So?

You asked why. I gave a reason. I backed said reason. Clearly, there is a precedent there, and it is lopsided. I can't find any reason or time in which its permitted that a wife may beat her husband.

Islam finds women inferior.

QED.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
http://www.debate.org...
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8/30/2016 2:58:29 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 2:50:22 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:45:25 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:42:35 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:36:47 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:31:34 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:16:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Quran 4/34

Yes that's it. Well done.
You've made my argument, now what's yours.

What should I say? the verse is clear.

Yep.
Strike your wife if you think she might be becoming arrogant (independent). Your women will obey you and if they don't you will beat them until they do.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/30/2016 3:01:47 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 2:58:29 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:50:22 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:45:25 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:42:35 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:36:47 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:31:34 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:16:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Quran 4/34

Yes that's it. Well done.
You've made my argument, now what's yours.

What should I say? the verse is clear.

Yep.
Strike your wife if you think she might be becoming arrogant (independent). Your women will obey you and if they don't you will beat them until they do.

Why on earth would I strike my wife to begin with?
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8/30/2016 3:03:29 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 3:01:47 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:58:29 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:50:22 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:45:25 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:42:35 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:36:47 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:31:34 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:16:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Quran 4/34

Yes that's it. Well done.
You've made my argument, now what's yours.

What should I say? the verse is clear.

Yep.
Strike your wife if you think she might be becoming arrogant (independent). Your women will obey you and if they don't you will beat them until they do.

Why on earth would I strike my wife to begin with?
The question you need to answer is why your god would tell you to?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/30/2016 3:04:42 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 2:55:33 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Quran 4/34

One, possibly among others.

So?

You asked why. I gave a reason. I backed said reason. Clearly, there is a precedent there, and it is lopsided. I can't find any reason or time in which its permitted that a wife may beat her husband.

Islam finds women inferior.

QED.

Does Islam say women are inferior?
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8/30/2016 3:06:25 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 3:03:29 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:01:47 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:58:29 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:50:22 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:45:25 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:42:35 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:36:47 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:31:34 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:16:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Quran 4/34

Yes that's it. Well done.
You've made my argument, now what's yours.

What should I say? the verse is clear.

Yep.
Strike your wife if you think she might be becoming arrogant (independent). Your women will obey you and if they don't you will beat them until they do.

Why on earth would I strike my wife to begin with?
The question you need to answer is why your god would tell you to?

God, obviously, allows the husband to beat the wife. It is clear, so what is the problem next?
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8/30/2016 3:10:27 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 3:06:25 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:03:29 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:01:47 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:58:29 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:50:22 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:45:25 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:42:35 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:36:47 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:31:34 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:16:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Quran 4/34

Yes that's it. Well done.
You've made my argument, now what's yours.

What should I say? the verse is clear.

Yep.
Strike your wife if you think she might be becoming arrogant (independent). Your women will obey you and if they don't you will beat them until they do.

Why on earth would I strike my wife to begin with?
The question you need to answer is why your god would tell you to?

God, obviously, allows the husband to beat the wife. It is clear, so what is the problem next?
There is no problem, you will beat your wife because your god tells you to.
Pathetic men beat women. Muslims are pathetic men.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/30/2016 3:11:46 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 3:10:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:06:25 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:03:29 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:01:47 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:58:29 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:50:22 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:45:25 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:42:35 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:36:47 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:31:34 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:16:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Quran 4/34

Yes that's it. Well done.
You've made my argument, now what's yours.

What should I say? the verse is clear.

Yep.
Strike your wife if you think she might be becoming arrogant (independent). Your women will obey you and if they don't you will beat them until they do.

Why on earth would I strike my wife to begin with?
The question you need to answer is why your god would tell you to?

God, obviously, allows the husband to beat the wife. It is clear, so what is the problem next?
There is no problem, you will beat your wife because your god tells you to.
Pathetic men beat women. Muslims are pathetic men.

Why on earth would I beat my beloved wife?
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8/30/2016 3:12:40 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 3:01:47 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:58:29 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:50:22 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:45:25 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:42:35 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:36:47 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:31:34 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:16:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Quran 4/34

Yes that's it. Well done.
You've made my argument, now what's yours.

What should I say? the verse is clear.

Yep.
Strike your wife if you think she might be becoming arrogant (independent). Your women will obey you and if they don't you will beat them until they do.

Why on earth would I strike my wife to begin with?
Because your god tells you too.
Do you disobey your god?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/30/2016 3:16:36 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 3:12:40 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:01:47 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:58:29 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:50:22 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:45:25 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:42:35 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:36:47 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:31:34 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:16:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Quran 4/34

Yes that's it. Well done.
You've made my argument, now what's yours.

What should I say? the verse is clear.

Yep.
Strike your wife if you think she might be becoming arrogant (independent). Your women will obey you and if they don't you will beat them until they do.

Why on earth would I strike my wife to begin with?
Because your god tells you too.
Do you disobey your god?

With reason behind for sure.
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8/30/2016 3:20:57 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 3:04:42 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:55:33 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Quran 4/34

One, possibly among others.

So?

You asked why. I gave a reason. I backed said reason. Clearly, there is a precedent there, and it is lopsided. I can't find any reason or time in which its permitted that a wife may beat her husband.

Islam finds women inferior.

QED.

Does Islam say women are inferior?

"Men are in charge of women". It was literally the first few words on what we are talking about. Yes, Islam says women are inferior. You are welcome to play dumb on the matter, but the conclusion is obvious. Man is in charge, that makes women on a position of lesser authority (inferior) to men.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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8/30/2016 3:21:49 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 3:16:36 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:12:40 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:01:47 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:58:29 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:50:22 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:45:25 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:42:35 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:36:47 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:31:34 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:16:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Quran 4/34

Yes that's it. Well done.
You've made my argument, now what's yours.

What should I say? the verse is clear.

Yep.
Strike your wife if you think she might be becoming arrogant (independent). Your women will obey you and if they don't you will beat them until they do.

Why on earth would I strike my wife to begin with?
Because your god tells you too.
Do you disobey your god?

With reason behind for sure.
You disobey your god? You are a great man.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/30/2016 3:24:37 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 3:20:57 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:04:42 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:55:33 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Quran 4/34

One, possibly among others.

So?

You asked why. I gave a reason. I backed said reason. Clearly, there is a precedent there, and it is lopsided. I can't find any reason or time in which its permitted that a wife may beat her husband.

Islam finds women inferior.

QED.

Does Islam say women are inferior?

"Men are in charge of women". It was literally the first few words on what we are talking about. Yes, Islam says women are inferior. You are welcome to play dumb on the matter, but the conclusion is obvious. Man is in charge, that makes women on a position of lesser authority (inferior) to men.

but that verse doesn't say women are inferior. in charge doesn't mean inferiority of women.
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8/30/2016 3:28:20 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 3:24:37 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:20:57 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:04:42 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:55:33 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Quran 4/34

One, possibly among others.

So?

You asked why. I gave a reason. I backed said reason. Clearly, there is a precedent there, and it is lopsided. I can't find any reason or time in which its permitted that a wife may beat her husband.

Islam finds women inferior.

QED.

Does Islam say women are inferior?

"Men are in charge of women". It was literally the first few words on what we are talking about. Yes, Islam says women are inferior. You are welcome to play dumb on the matter, but the conclusion is obvious. Man is in charge, that makes women on a position of lesser authority (inferior) to men.

but that verse doesn't say women are inferior. in charge doesn't mean inferiority of women.

That is exactly what it means. That is the inherency of authority. If a man has the authority, and a woman doesn't, that means the woman is inferior. She has no authority by which she can do anything of her own volition, she requires a man's authority to justify it. That is inferiority.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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8/30/2016 3:30:28 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 3:28:20 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:24:37 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:20:57 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:04:42 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:55:33 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Quran 4/34

One, possibly among others.

So?

You asked why. I gave a reason. I backed said reason. Clearly, there is a precedent there, and it is lopsided. I can't find any reason or time in which its permitted that a wife may beat her husband.

Islam finds women inferior.

QED.

Does Islam say women are inferior?

"Men are in charge of women". It was literally the first few words on what we are talking about. Yes, Islam says women are inferior. You are welcome to play dumb on the matter, but the conclusion is obvious. Man is in charge, that makes women on a position of lesser authority (inferior) to men.

but that verse doesn't say women are inferior. in charge doesn't mean inferiority of women.

That is exactly what it means. That is the inherency of authority. If a man has the authority, and a woman doesn't, that means the woman is inferior. She has no authority by which she can do anything of her own volition, she requires a man's authority to justify it. That is inferiority.

that verse doesn't say women have no authority .
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8/30/2016 3:31:02 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 3:24:37 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:20:57 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:04:42 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:55:33 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Quran 4/34

One, possibly among others.

So?

You asked why. I gave a reason. I backed said reason. Clearly, there is a precedent there, and it is lopsided. I can't find any reason or time in which its permitted that a wife may beat her husband.

Islam finds women inferior.

QED.

Does Islam say women are inferior?

"Men are in charge of women". It was literally the first few words on what we are talking about. Yes, Islam says women are inferior. You are welcome to play dumb on the matter, but the conclusion is obvious. Man is in charge, that makes women on a position of lesser authority (inferior) to men.

but that verse doesn't say women are inferior. in charge doesn't mean inferiority of women.

Why can't women be in charge instead of men?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
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8/30/2016 3:31:21 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 3:21:49 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:16:36 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:12:40 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:01:47 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:58:29 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:50:22 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:45:25 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:42:35 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:36:47 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:31:34 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:16:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Quran 4/34

Yes that's it. Well done.
You've made my argument, now what's yours.

What should I say? the verse is clear.

Yep.
Strike your wife if you think she might be becoming arrogant (independent). Your women will obey you and if they don't you will beat them until they do.

Why on earth would I strike my wife to begin with?
Because your god tells you too.
Do you disobey your god?

With reason behind for sure.
You disobey your god? You are a great man.

?
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8/30/2016 3:35:12 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 3:31:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:24:37 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:20:57 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:04:42 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/30/2016 2:55:33 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
The greatest benefit of Islam for muslim men.
We must remember that the name man/men is not really applicable to muslims.
Because they want to beat women, not men at all.

Why on earth Muslims would beat their beloved wife to begin with?

Misbehavior.

https://quran.com...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

this one?

"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Quran 4/34

One, possibly among others.

So?

You asked why. I gave a reason. I backed said reason. Clearly, there is a precedent there, and it is lopsided. I can't find any reason or time in which its permitted that a wife may beat her husband.

Islam finds women inferior.

QED.

Does Islam say women are inferior?

"Men are in charge of women". It was literally the first few words on what we are talking about. Yes, Islam says women are inferior. You are welcome to play dumb on the matter, but the conclusion is obvious. Man is in charge, that makes women on a position of lesser authority (inferior) to men.

but that verse doesn't say women are inferior. in charge doesn't mean inferiority of women.

Why can't women be in charge instead of men?

who says they can't? that verse is the commandment to the men to lead the women. women are not ordered to do that. but they are not prohibited either.