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Thoughts on Christian Atheism?

jesusismywarrior
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8/31/2016 10:04:46 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
Recently I've heard of Christian Atheism which is generally associate to Jesuism, which can be defined as the:

"...theological position in which the belief in the transcendent or interventionist God is rejected or absent in favor of finding God totally in the world (Thomas J. J. Altizer) or following Jesus in a Godless world (William Hamilton)."

What are your thoughts about this?
Mark 10:44-45 "44 and whoever wants to be first must be slave of all. 45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."
Casten
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8/31/2016 11:14:17 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
It's kind of confusing. Is it saying these people abandon belief in an intangible God and instead look for a physical God in the physical world?

How can you "follow Jesus" in a "godless world"? Jesus is God in Christian Trinitarianism. If they're accepting Jesus, their world isn't godless.
RuvDraba
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9/1/2016 12:06:08 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/31/2016 10:04:46 PM, jesusismywarrior wrote:
"...theological position in which the belief in the transcendent or interventionist God is rejected or absent in favor of finding God totally in the world (Thomas J. J. Altizer) or following Jesus in a Godless world (William Hamilton)."
What are your thoughts about this?

JimW, the Christian theology upheld today isn't Mediaeval Christianity, and can never be again. The idea of God directly ordering the world, meting out punishments and rewards in this world and the next, with angels making clouds scud across the sky isn't compatible with everything else we know and can now predict. Moreover, for the last century or so, educated Christians have known that the scriptures of Christian canon aren't all authentic, and for the last forty years they've been pretty confident that the events attested aren't all accurate either.

So increasingly, what's left is the unacknowledged love-child of Christian morality and Enlightenment Deism: Christians hoping for some benevolent moral order that will emerge after their lives are over, but not confident about that, while choosing to follow the moral inspiration from their Gospel traditions, interpreted through a lens of modern science.

But since the Renaissance, we haven't really seen middle class Christians treating this world as a test for the next. Instead they're caught up in precisely the preoccupations you'd expect of hedonistic materialists: a competition for luxury, ease and pleasure, and a moral legacy of Enlightenment Humanism dressed in a veneer of entitled Christian sanctimony.

In short, I think most modern Christians are either Deists, agnostics or atheists in everything but their traditions, xenophobia and airs of entitlement.
SpiritandTruth
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9/1/2016 6:40:21 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
Totally blasphemous, and incompatible with Christian teachings. Obviously a compromise that leads to bad things down the line.
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FaustianJustice
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9/1/2016 11:27:29 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/1/2016 6:40:21 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Totally blasphemous, and incompatible with Christian teachings. Obviously a compromise that leads to bad things down the line.

That is the entirety of God's relationship with man: one big compromise.

God makes earth, 2 humans screw it up, but a very very small compromise is made, and they may go about life. The offenders will die, eventually, but hopefully things will get better.

Humans screw it up more, God makes a some what larger compromise, and rather than kill everyone, a special family gets saved, and everyone else gets killed. Hopefully things will get better.

Humans screw it up still more, so an entirely new covenant is made with God's chosen people. Hopefully things will get better.

Humans just. Keep. Screwing. Up. So, God makes yet another compromise, sends a piece of Himself (which gets killed, but that was the plan), apparently now because of that piece of Himself, EVERYONE is His chosen people because this is now an ultra-newer-and-special covenant that applies to everyone (I would be right pissed, were I Jewish). God changes a whooole lot of rules (which is more compromise)....

and here we are.

If compromise makes things worse, God is the author of that.
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Deb-8-A-Bull
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9/1/2016 11:50:42 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 9/1/2016 11:49:00 AM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
I wonder what you call the people that don't really bother with this religious stuff .

Well that depends on thier religion .
TheGreatAndPowerful
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9/1/2016 5:11:33 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/31/2016 10:04:46 PM, jesusismywarrior wrote:
Recently I've heard of Christian Atheism which is generally associate to Jesuism, which can be defined as the:

"...theological position in which the belief in the transcendent or interventionist God is rejected or absent in favor of finding God totally in the world (Thomas J. J. Altizer) or following Jesus in a Godless world (William Hamilton)."

What are your thoughts about this?

It's basically disbelieving in God or divinity, but still accepting the lessons and example taught by Jesus.
JB009
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9/1/2016 5:21:11 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/31/2016 10:04:46 PM, jesusismywarrior wrote:
Recently I've heard of Christian Atheism which is generally associate to Jesuism, which can be defined as the:

"...theological position in which the belief in the transcendent or interventionist God is rejected or absent in favor of finding God totally in the world (Thomas J. J. Altizer) or following Jesus in a Godless world (William Hamilton)."

What are your thoughts about this? ::

If you went from one Christian to another and asked them a set of questions based on their beliefs, you will get different answers from every single one of them. T