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Willows
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9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening?
dee-em
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9/9/2016 7:04:33 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening?

Not to be pedantic, but where do you get the 28 billion years from? The elapsed time since the Big Bang is about 13.7 billion years. The solar system, including the Earth, is about 4.5 billion years old. Life started quite early, about 3.8 billion years ago with single-celled prokaryotic cells, such as bacteria. Multi-cellular life didn't evolve until about 2.1 billion years ago.
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9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?
desmac
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9/9/2016 7:56:32 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

Walmart.
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9/9/2016 8:01:47 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 7:56:32 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

Walmart. : :

What aisle did you find it on?
desmac
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9/9/2016 8:02:23 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 8:01:47 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:56:32 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

Walmart. : :

What aisle did you find it on?

The church aisle.
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9/9/2016 8:08:49 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 7:56:32 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

Walmart.

No, no, our amino acids are of the very finest quality. They cannot have come from Walmart.
The metaphysicist has no laboratory.
desmac
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9/9/2016 8:10:22 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 8:08:49 AM, Looncall wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:56:32 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

Walmart.


No, no, our amino acids are of the very finest quality. They cannot have come from Walmart.

The ones that eventually went on to make Trump were on the "Whoops" aisle.
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9/9/2016 8:10:34 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

They form naturally and have even been detected in space.
The metaphysicist has no laboratory.
IamamI
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9/9/2016 8:10:48 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 8:02:23 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:01:47 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:56:32 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

Walmart. : :

What aisle did you find it on?

The church aisle. : :

I didn't know they had a church aisle in Walmart. Thanks for the info.
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9/9/2016 8:11:43 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 8:10:48 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:02:23 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:01:47 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:56:32 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

Walmart. : :

What aisle did you find it on?

The church aisle. : :

I didn't know they had a church aisle in Walmart. Thanks for the info.

YW
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9/9/2016 8:17:07 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 8:10:34 AM, Looncall wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

They form naturally and have even been detected in space. : :

Show me how an amino acid is formed naturally?
desmac
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9/9/2016 8:35:29 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 8:17:07 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:10:34 AM, Looncall wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

They form naturally and have even been detected in space. : :

Show me how an amino acid is formed naturally?

Done.
http://www.bbc.co.uk...
IamamI
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9/9/2016 8:39:57 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 8:35:29 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:17:07 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:10:34 AM, Looncall wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

They form naturally and have even been detected in space. : :

Show me how an amino acid is formed naturally?

Done.
http://www.bbc.co.uk... : :

We're not finished yet. Where did these things come from; " hydrocarbons, ammonia and lightning."

Stupid scientists will remain stupid until their bodies die.
desmac
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9/9/2016 8:41:37 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 8:39:57 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:35:29 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:17:07 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:10:34 AM, Looncall wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

They form naturally and have even been detected in space. : :

Show me how an amino acid is formed naturally?

Done.
http://www.bbc.co.uk... : :

We're not finished yet. Where did these things come from; " hydrocarbons, ammonia and lightning."

Stupid scientists will remain stupid until their bodies die.

Just like human beings. they are made from stardust.
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9/9/2016 8:42:51 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 8:41:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:39:57 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:35:29 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:17:07 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:10:34 AM, Looncall wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

They form naturally and have even been detected in space. : :

Show me how an amino acid is formed naturally?

Done.
http://www.bbc.co.uk... : :

We're not finished yet. Where did these things come from; " hydrocarbons, ammonia and lightning."

Stupid scientists will remain stupid until their bodies die.

Just like human beings. they are made from stardust. : ;

What is stardust?
desmac
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9/9/2016 8:45:37 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 8:42:51 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:41:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:39:57 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:35:29 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:17:07 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:10:34 AM, Looncall wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

They form naturally and have even been detected in space. : :

Show me how an amino acid is formed naturally?

Done.
http://www.bbc.co.uk... : :

We're not finished yet. Where did these things come from; " hydrocarbons, ammonia and lightning."

Stupid scientists will remain stupid until their bodies die.

Just like human beings. they are made from stardust. : ;

What is stardust?

All the heavy elements were created by the destruction of stars.
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9/9/2016 8:48:12 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 8:45:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:42:51 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:41:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:39:57 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:35:29 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:17:07 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:10:34 AM, Looncall wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

They form naturally and have even been detected in space. : :

Show me how an amino acid is formed naturally?

Done.
http://www.bbc.co.uk... : :

We're not finished yet. Where did these things come from; " hydrocarbons, ammonia and lightning."

Stupid scientists will remain stupid until their bodies die.

Just like human beings. they are made from stardust. : ;

What is stardust?

All the heavy elements were created by the destruction of stars. : :

Where did the stars come from?
desmac
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9/9/2016 8:50:17 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 8:48:12 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:45:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:42:51 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:41:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:39:57 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:35:29 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:17:07 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:10:34 AM, Looncall wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

They form naturally and have even been detected in space. : :

Show me how an amino acid is formed naturally?

Done.
http://www.bbc.co.uk... : :

We're not finished yet. Where did these things come from; " hydrocarbons, ammonia and lightning."

Stupid scientists will remain stupid until their bodies die.

Just like human beings. they are made from stardust. : ;

What is stardust?

All the heavy elements were created by the destruction of stars. : :

Where did the stars come from?

The Hydrogen and energy created by the big bang.
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9/9/2016 8:52:00 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 8:50:17 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:48:12 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:45:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:42:51 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:41:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:39:57 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:35:29 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:17:07 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:10:34 AM, Looncall wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

They form naturally and have even been detected in space. : :

Show me how an amino acid is formed naturally?

Done.
http://www.bbc.co.uk... : :

We're not finished yet. Where did these things come from; " hydrocarbons, ammonia and lightning."

Stupid scientists will remain stupid until their bodies die.

Just like human beings. they are made from stardust. : ;

What is stardust?

All the heavy elements were created by the destruction of stars. : :

Where did the stars come from?

The Hydrogen and energy created by the big bang. : :

How do you know for sure hydrogen and energy were created by a big bang?
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9/9/2016 8:54:56 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 8:52:00 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:50:17 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:48:12 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:45:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:42:51 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:41:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:39:57 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:35:29 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:17:07 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:10:34 AM, Looncall wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

They form naturally and have even been detected in space. : :

Show me how an amino acid is formed naturally?

Done.
http://www.bbc.co.uk... : :

We're not finished yet. Where did these things come from; " hydrocarbons, ammonia and lightning."

Stupid scientists will remain stupid until their bodies die.

Just like human beings. they are made from stardust. : ;

What is stardust?

All the heavy elements were created by the destruction of stars. : :

Where did the stars come from?

The Hydrogen and energy created by the big bang. : :

How do you know for sure hydrogen and energy were created by a big bang?

I don't. At the moment that is by far the most plausible explanation.
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9/9/2016 8:56:43 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 8:54:56 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:52:00 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:50:17 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:48:12 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:45:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:42:51 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:41:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:39:57 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:35:29 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:17:07 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:10:34 AM, Looncall wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

They form naturally and have even been detected in space. : :

Show me how an amino acid is formed naturally?

Done.
http://www.bbc.co.uk... : :

We're not finished yet. Where did these things come from; " hydrocarbons, ammonia and lightning."

Stupid scientists will remain stupid until their bodies die.

Just like human beings. they are made from stardust. : ;

What is stardust?

All the heavy elements were created by the destruction of stars. : :

Where did the stars come from?

The Hydrogen and energy created by the big bang. : :

How do you know for sure hydrogen and energy were created by a big bang?

I don't. At the moment that is by far the most plausible explanation. : :

That's what a bunch of astrophysicists want you to believe. What do you believe?
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9/9/2016 9:00:46 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 8:56:43 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:54:56 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:52:00 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:50:17 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:48:12 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:45:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:42:51 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:41:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:39:57 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:35:29 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:17:07 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:10:34 AM, Looncall wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

They form naturally and have even been detected in space. : :

Show me how an amino acid is formed naturally?

Done.
http://www.bbc.co.uk... : :

We're not finished yet. Where did these things come from; " hydrocarbons, ammonia and lightning."

Stupid scientists will remain stupid until their bodies die.

Just like human beings. they are made from stardust. : ;

What is stardust?

All the heavy elements were created by the destruction of stars. : :

Where did the stars come from?

The Hydrogen and energy created by the big bang. : :

How do you know for sure hydrogen and energy were created by a big bang?

I don't. At the moment that is by far the most plausible explanation. : :

That's what a bunch of astrophysicists want you to believe. What do you believe?

I believe that the big bang is the most plausible theory to date. Can you disprove it?>
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9/9/2016 9:09:33 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 9:00:46 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:56:43 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:54:56 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:52:00 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:50:17 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:48:12 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:45:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:42:51 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:41:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:39:57 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:35:29 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:17:07 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:10:34 AM, Looncall wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

They form naturally and have even been detected in space. : :

Show me how an amino acid is formed naturally?

Done.
http://www.bbc.co.uk... : :

We're not finished yet. Where did these things come from; " hydrocarbons, ammonia and lightning."

Stupid scientists will remain stupid until their bodies die.

Just like human beings. they are made from stardust. : ;

What is stardust?

All the heavy elements were created by the destruction of stars. : :

Where did the stars come from?

The Hydrogen and energy created by the big bang. : :

How do you know for sure hydrogen and energy were created by a big bang?

I don't. At the moment that is by far the most plausible explanation. : :

That's what a bunch of astrophysicists want you to believe. What do you believe?

I believe that the big bang is the most plausible theory to date. Can you disprove it?> : :
Can you disprove that we're experiencing life in a computer generated simulation?

It's all about knowing for sure or believing someone else's experience. I know for sure how we're created but scientists can only give you theories that they believe in. Not one of them are totally convinced that we came from a Big Bang event. They know it's only a theory.
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9/9/2016 9:17:31 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 9:09:33 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 9:00:46 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:56:43 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:54:56 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:52:00 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:50:17 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:48:12 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:45:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:42:51 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:41:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:39:57 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:35:29 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:17:07 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:10:34 AM, Looncall wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

They form naturally and have even been detected in space. : :

Show me how an amino acid is formed naturally?

Done.
http://www.bbc.co.uk... : :

We're not finished yet. Where did these things come from; " hydrocarbons, ammonia and lightning."

Stupid scientists will remain stupid until their bodies die.

Just like human beings. they are made from stardust. : ;

What is stardust?

All the heavy elements were created by the destruction of stars. : :

Where did the stars come from?

The Hydrogen and energy created by the big bang. : :

How do you know for sure hydrogen and energy were created by a big bang?

I don't. At the moment that is by far the most plausible explanation. : :

That's what a bunch of astrophysicists want you to believe. What do you believe?

I believe that the big bang is the most plausible theory to date. Can you disprove it?> : :
Can you disprove that we're experiencing life in a computer generated simulation?

It's all about knowing for sure or believing someone else's experience. I know for sure how we're created but scientists can only give you theories that they believe in. Not one of them are totally convinced that we came from a Big Bang event. They know it's only a theory.

Yeah, but they have this stuff called evidence.
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9/9/2016 9:20:30 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 9:17:31 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 9:09:33 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 9:00:46 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:56:43 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:54:56 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:52:00 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:50:17 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:48:12 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:45:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:42:51 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:41:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:39:57 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:35:29 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:17:07 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:10:34 AM, Looncall wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

They form naturally and have even been detected in space. : :

Show me how an amino acid is formed naturally?

Done.
http://www.bbc.co.uk... : :

We're not finished yet. Where did these things come from; " hydrocarbons, ammonia and lightning."

Stupid scientists will remain stupid until their bodies die.

Just like human beings. they are made from stardust. : ;

What is stardust?

All the heavy elements were created by the destruction of stars. : :

Where did the stars come from?

The Hydrogen and energy created by the big bang. : :

How do you know for sure hydrogen and energy were created by a big bang?

I don't. At the moment that is by far the most plausible explanation. : :

That's what a bunch of astrophysicists want you to believe. What do you believe?

I believe that the big bang is the most plausible theory to date. Can you disprove it?> : :
Can you disprove that we're experiencing life in a computer generated simulation?

It's all about knowing for sure or believing someone else's experience. I know for sure how we're created but scientists can only give you theories that they believe in. Not one of them are totally convinced that we came from a Big Bang event. They know it's only a theory.

Yeah, but they have this stuff called evidence. : :

Theories are not evidence that make them true. You obviously do not understand how scientists come to their conclusions that make them and other people believe they MIGHT be true. A theory is not the truth.
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9/9/2016 9:38:58 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 9:20:30 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 9:17:31 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 9:09:33 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 9:00:46 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:56:43 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:54:56 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:52:00 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:50:17 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:48:12 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:45:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:42:51 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:41:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:39:57 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:35:29 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:17:07 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:10:34 AM, Looncall wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

They form naturally and have even been detected in space. : :

Show me how an amino acid is formed naturally?

Done.
http://www.bbc.co.uk... : :

We're not finished yet. Where did these things come from; " hydrocarbons, ammonia and lightning."

Stupid scientists will remain stupid until their bodies die.

Just like human beings. they are made from stardust. : ;

What is stardust?

All the heavy elements were created by the destruction of stars. : :

Where did the stars come from?

The Hydrogen and energy created by the big bang. : :

How do you know for sure hydrogen and energy were created by a big bang?

I don't. At the moment that is by far the most plausible explanation. : :

That's what a bunch of astrophysicists want you to believe. What do you believe?

I believe that the big bang is the most plausible theory to date. Can you disprove it?> : :
Can you disprove that we're experiencing life in a computer generated simulation?

It's all about knowing for sure or believing someone else's experience. I know for sure how we're created but scientists can only give you theories that they believe in. Not one of them are totally convinced that we came from a Big Bang event. They know it's only a theory.

Yeah, but they have this stuff called evidence. : :

Theories are not evidence that make them true. You obviously do not understand how scientists come to their conclusions that make them and other people believe they MIGHT be true. A theory is not the truth.

The scientists have lots of evidence which support their theory.
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9/9/2016 9:42:58 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 9:38:58 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 9:20:30 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 9:17:31 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 9:09:33 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 9:00:46 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:56:43 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:54:56 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:52:00 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:50:17 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:48:12 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:45:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:42:51 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:41:37 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:39:57 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:35:29 AM, desmac wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:17:07 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 8:10:34 AM, Looncall wrote:
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?

They form naturally and have even been detected in space. : :

Show me how an amino acid is formed naturally?

Done.
http://www.bbc.co.uk... : :

We're not finished yet. Where did these things come from; " hydrocarbons, ammonia and lightning."

Stupid scientists will remain stupid until their bodies die.

Just like human beings. they are made from stardust. : ;

What is stardust?

All the heavy elements were created by the destruction of stars. : :

Where did the stars come from?

The Hydrogen and energy created by the big bang. : :

How do you know for sure hydrogen and energy were created by a big bang?

I don't. At the moment that is by far the most plausible explanation. : :

That's what a bunch of astrophysicists want you to believe. What do you believe?

I believe that the big bang is the most plausible theory to date. Can you disprove it?> : :
Can you disprove that we're experiencing life in a computer generated simulation?

It's all about knowing for sure or believing someone else's experience. I know for sure how we're created but scientists can only give you theories that they believe in. Not one of them are totally convinced that we came from a Big Bang event. They know it's only a theory.

Yeah, but they have this stuff called evidence. : :

Theories are not evidence that make them true. You obviously do not understand how scientists come to their conclusions that make them and other people believe they MIGHT be true. A theory is not the truth.

The scientists have lots of evidence which support their theory. : ;

All their evidence is subjective and believed by some other scientists who read their reports they have to write up. Not one scientist knows for sure if that theory is the truth or not. They can only believe what they read in the report.

It was a Catholic pope who first spoke about a Big Bang event. Do you think his theory was the truth?
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9/9/2016 10:33:12 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 7:46:26 AM, IamamI wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening? : :

Think a little deeper; Where did the first amino acid come from?
The processes of sea water and minerals washing into small pools and reacting with sunlight, billions of them over billions of years.

What is your idea of thinking a bit deeper, apart from an invisible person injecting amino acid into a piece of clay in one day, 6 thousand years ago?
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9/9/2016 10:48:14 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 7:04:33 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:32 AM, Willows wrote:
If there is one argument that regularly surfaces in this forum from theists, it is that life is too complicated to be an accident therefore it must have a creator.

From a logical point of view however this viewpoint holds no substance since it is taking a non-stated point (that life came to be by accident), then refuting with an untested assumption (too complicated) and a single choice alternative (creation).

Life on Earth is certainly no accident and by learning the interaction of natural laws and forces we can understand how life did come about without there being any intervention whatsoever.

One argument against evolution that made me think was the idea that shaking a bag of amino acid will not start the life process.

However, if we get 10 billion bags of amino acid and shake them for 28 billion years, what might be the chances of something happening?

Not to be pedantic, but where do you get the 28 billion years from? The elapsed time since the Big Bang is about 13.7 billion years. The solar system, including the Earth, is about 4.5 billion years old. Life started quite early, about 3.8 billion years ago with single-celled prokaryotic cells, such as bacteria. Multi-cellular life didn't evolve until about 2.1 billion years ago.

Point taken, over 3.8 billion years, my mistake.

Nevertheless the point I was trying to make is that many people find it difficult to comprehend the sheer scale of time and chemical permutations involved in forming life. ....which is why creation is (incorrectly) chosen as the convenient "lazy man's" default answer.