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9/12/2016 6:14:14 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
Deuteronomy 25:11-12
If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, 12then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity.

so imagine burglar broke into your house and strangling your father to death. your mother comes to the rescue and she has to do anything to save your father's life so knowing the weakest part of men the genitals she neutralizes the burglar. after that u chup off your mothers hand... if she doesnt neutralize him he will kill your father and rape your mother.

so God inspired this logic?
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9/12/2016 10:45:03 AM
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At 9/12/2016 6:14:14 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
Deuteronomy 25:11-12
If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, 12then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity.

so imagine burglar broke into your house and strangling your father to death. your mother comes to the rescue and she has to do anything to save your father's life so knowing the weakest part of men the genitals she neutralizes the burglar. after that u chup off your mothers hand... if she doesnt neutralize him he will kill your father and rape your mother.

so God inspired this logic?

Allegedely.
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9/12/2016 10:58:18 AM
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At 9/12/2016 6:14:14 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
Deuteronomy 25:11-12
If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, 12then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity.

so imagine burglar broke into your house and strangling your father to death. your mother comes to the rescue and she has to do anything to save your father's life so knowing the weakest part of men the genitals she neutralizes the burglar. after that u chup off your mothers hand... if she doesnt neutralize him he will kill your father and rape your mother.

so God inspired this logic?"

There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. "
" Ezekiel 23:20
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9/12/2016 11:23:15 AM
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At 9/12/2016 6:14:14 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
Deuteronomy 25:11-12
If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, 12then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity.
Well, the idea of seizing the genitals would be to not only cripple him but also end his reproductive activity. That is why the punishment is so harsh because there is no reason to damage a man's reproductive organs, therefore preventing him from having offspring.
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9/12/2016 11:25:36 AM
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At 9/12/2016 11:23:15 AM, Artaxerxes wrote:
At 9/12/2016 6:14:14 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
Deuteronomy 25:11-12
If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, 12then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity.
Well, the idea of seizing the genitals would be to not only cripple him but also end his reproductive activity. That is why the punishment is so harsh because there is no reason to damage a man's reproductive organs, therefore preventing him from having offspring.

Would you chop your wife's hand off, if she saved your life by squeezing your attacker's nuts?
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9/12/2016 11:46:56 AM
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At 9/12/2016 11:25:36 AM, desmac wrote:

Would you chop your wife's hand off, if she saved your life by squeezing your attacker's nuts?
Given that I am not a Jew living in 1406 BC, no.
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9/12/2016 11:49:12 AM
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At 9/12/2016 11:46:56 AM, Artaxerxes wrote:
At 9/12/2016 11:25:36 AM, desmac wrote:

Would you chop your wife's hand off, if she saved your life by squeezing your attacker's nuts?
Given that I am not a Jew living in 1406 BC, no.

So god's laws change with time and location?
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9/12/2016 12:24:51 PM
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At 9/12/2016 11:49:12 AM, desmac wrote:

So god's laws change with time and location?
Are you familiar with the concepts of the old and new covenants? God's law was fulfilled through Christ.
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9/12/2016 12:26:19 PM
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At 9/12/2016 12:24:51 PM, Artaxerxes wrote:
At 9/12/2016 11:49:12 AM, desmac wrote:

So god's laws change with time and location?
Are you familiar with the concepts of the old and new covenants? God's law was fulfilled through Christ.

The 10 commandments no longer apply?
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9/12/2016 1:59:03 PM
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At 9/12/2016 11:23:15 AM, Artaxerxes wrote:
At 9/12/2016 6:14:14 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
Deuteronomy 25:11-12
If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, 12then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity.
Well, the idea of seizing the genitals would be to not only cripple him but also end his reproductive activity. That is why the punishment is so harsh because there is no reason to damage a man's reproductive organs, therefore preventing him from having offspring.

who cares his "reproductive activity" he comes to your home to kill your father and rape your mother and kill her also, rob and go. if she doesnt seize that part what do u expect from a female to do with a expert buglar with black belt karata lol. in this situation everybody has the right do to anything to neutralize that beast bcz he will kill all the victims.
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9/12/2016 2:02:56 PM
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At 9/12/2016 12:24:51 PM, Artaxerxes wrote:
At 9/12/2016 11:49:12 AM, desmac wrote:

So god's laws change with time and location?
Are you familiar with the concepts of the old and new covenants? God's law was fulfilled through Christ.

thats not right in some way. Paul says all scripture is good for u (he meant OT bcz NT wasnt existed at that point)

Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

so u can do anything what the OT say its not a sin really.
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9/12/2016 3:22:17 PM
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At 9/12/2016 12:26:19 PM, desmac wrote:

The 10 commandments no longer apply?
In the sense that we are under them as a law, no. However, it is certainly important to study them and understand them.
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9/12/2016 3:22:20 PM
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At 9/12/2016 1:59:03 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:

Well, the idea of seizing the genitals would be to not only cripple him but also end his reproductive activity. That is why the punishment is so harsh because there is no reason to damage a man's reproductive organs, therefore preventing him from having offspring.

who cares his "reproductive activity" he comes to your home to kill your father and rape your mother and kill her also, rob and go. if she doesnt seize that part what do u expect from a female to do with a expert buglar with black belt karata lol. in this situation everybody has the right do to anything to neutralize that beast bcz he will kill all the victims.
I am not going to argue with you over what the text says or why it says it. You may approach the situation very differently than a man of God, as you have indicated.
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9/12/2016 3:22:23 PM
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At 9/12/2016 2:02:56 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:

Are you familiar with the concepts of the old and new covenants? God's law was fulfilled through Christ.

thats not right in some way. Paul says all scripture is good for u (he meant OT bcz NT wasnt existed at that point)
No, that is completely right. Read the following texts:
"Christ purchased us, releasing us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: 'Accursed is every man hung upon a stake.'" (Galatians 3:13)

"Furthermore, though you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcised state of your flesh, God made you alive together with him. He kindly forgave us all our trespasses and erased the handwritten document that consisted of decrees and was in opposition to us. He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake." (Colossians 2:13, 14)

You are speaking of 2 Timothy 3:16, 17. It reads:
"All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work."

This is not a false statement. The apostle Paul rightly stated that all Scripture (both the Old Testament and the New Testament) is profitable for many things. Specifically "so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work." This has nothing to say on the topic of covenants.
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9/12/2016 4:01:51 PM
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At 9/12/2016 3:22:23 PM, Artaxerxes wrote:
"Christ purchased us
From whom?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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9/12/2016 5:17:34 PM
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At 9/12/2016 4:01:51 PM, bulproof wrote:

"Christ purchased us
From whom?
Christ purchased/redeemed us from the curse of the Law.
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9/12/2016 5:20:32 PM
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At 9/12/2016 3:22:20 PM, Artaxerxes wrote:
At 9/12/2016 1:59:03 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:

Well, the idea of seizing the genitals would be to not only cripple him but also end his reproductive activity. That is why the punishment is so harsh because there is no reason to damage a man's reproductive organs, therefore preventing him from having offspring.

who cares his "reproductive activity" he comes to your home to kill your father and rape your mother and kill her also, rob and go. if she doesnt seize that part what do u expect from a female to do with a expert buglar with black belt karata lol. in this situation everybody has the right do to anything to neutralize that beast bcz he will kill all the victims.
I am not going to argue with you over what the text says or why it says it. You may approach the situation very differently than a man of God, as you have indicated.

im approaching differently than a man of God? really r u serious? look for the statistics http://www.safeguardtheworld.com...

Every 13 seconds a home intrusion is committed.
2.5 million+ home intrusions are committed each year.
Only 17% of the homes in U.S. have a security system.
2,500+ cars stolen per day" almost 2 cars a minute.
Identity theft is the fastest growing crime in the U.S.
1 out of 3 residential assaults are a result of a burglary.
85% of break-ins are from non-professionals that are usually more desperate and dangerous.

its only in the US. imagine how many ppl fall to be victims of that. its very common worldwide. its has nothing to do with man of God or not.
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9/12/2016 5:23:51 PM
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At 9/12/2016 5:20:32 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:

its only in the US. imagine how many ppl fall to be victims of that. its very common worldwide. its has nothing to do with man of God or not.
What do crime statistics have to do with this discussion? lol
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9/12/2016 5:25:54 PM
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At 9/12/2016 3:22:23 PM, Artaxerxes wrote:
At 9/12/2016 2:02:56 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:

Are you familiar with the concepts of the old and new covenants? God's law was fulfilled through Christ.

thats not right in some way. Paul says all scripture is good for u (he meant OT bcz NT wasnt existed at that point)
No, that is completely right. Read the following texts:
"Christ purchased us, releasing us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: 'Accursed is every man hung upon a stake.'" (Galatians 3:13)

"Furthermore, though you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcised state of your flesh, God made you alive together with him. He kindly forgave us all our trespasses and erased the handwritten document that consisted of decrees and was in opposition to us. He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake." (Colossians 2:13, 14)

You are speaking of 2 Timothy 3:16, 17. It reads:
"All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work."

This is not a false statement. The apostle Paul rightly stated that all Scripture (both the Old Testament and the New Testament) is profitable for many things. Specifically "so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work." This has nothing to say on the topic of covenants.

when he says "all Scripture" it means "all Scripture". when he wrote that thing the NT didnt exist at that time. so he talking about the OT if u want to lump the NT into it by all means. Timothy 3:16 tells u all scripture is good for "teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" it doesnt say u have to obey the OT but rather its good for and u can do it.
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9/12/2016 5:27:33 PM
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At 9/12/2016 5:23:51 PM, Artaxerxes wrote:
At 9/12/2016 5:20:32 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:

its only in the US. imagine how many ppl fall to be victims of that. its very common worldwide. its has nothing to do with man of God or not.
What do crime statistics have to do with this discussion? lol

just saying its very common and it has nothing to do with man of God or not... everybody might be in this situation.
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9/12/2016 5:32:46 PM
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At 9/12/2016 5:25:54 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:

No, that is completely right. Read the following texts:
"Christ purchased us, releasing us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: 'Accursed is every man hung upon a stake.'" (Galatians 3:13)

"Furthermore, though you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcised state of your flesh, God made you alive together with him. He kindly forgave us all our trespasses and erased the handwritten document that consisted of decrees and was in opposition to us. He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake." (Colossians 2:13, 14)

You are speaking of 2 Timothy 3:16, 17. It reads:
"All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work."

This is not a false statement. The apostle Paul rightly stated that all Scripture (both the Old Testament and the New Testament) is profitable for many things. Specifically "so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work." This has nothing to say on the topic of covenants.

when he says "all Scripture" it means "all Scripture". when he wrote that thing the NT didnt exist at that time. so he talking about the OT if u want to lump the NT into it by all means. Timothy 3:16 tells u all scripture is good for "teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" it doesnt say u have to obey the OT but rather its good for and u can do it.
Yes, it does. He was referring to the Old Testament at the time of writing this epistle, as the New Testament had not been composed. However, it is now canon. The Old Testament is most certainly good and useful, which is why it is still read by Christians today. Most Christians do still adhere to the 10 commandments, for example, despite them being fulfilled.
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9/13/2016 6:04:16 AM
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At 9/12/2016 5:17:34 PM, Artaxerxes wrote:
At 9/12/2016 4:01:51 PM, bulproof wrote:

"Christ purchased us
From whom?
Christ purchased/redeemed us from the curse of the Law.
So your god's law is a curse. Who cursed us and why? When did this curse purchase us?
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9/13/2016 8:51:52 AM
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At 9/12/2016 12:24:51 PM, Artaxerxes wrote:
At 9/12/2016 11:49:12 AM, desmac wrote:

So god's laws change with time and location?
Are you familiar with the concepts of the old and new covenants? God's law was fulfilled through Christ.

Jesus disagree's with you:

Matthew 5:17-18 (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
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9/13/2016 9:59:55 AM
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I doubt it has anything to do with possible damage to the guy's nuts. Far more likely in the patriarchal Hebrew society female were owned by their husbands and women were expected to be virgins prior to marriage and completes subservient - and consequently faithful - afterwards. Even touching another man's privates would be taboo and the verses in question indicate that there would be no exception to that rule even in such an extreme case.
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9/13/2016 1:52:41 PM
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At 9/13/2016 6:04:16 AM, bulproof wrote:

Christ purchased/redeemed us from the curse of the Law.
So your god's law is a curse. Who cursed us and why? When did this curse purchase us?
The Law is perfect. However, it is a curse to man because no one can possibly fulfill it (see the original citations I provided). The curse was placed on us because of the fall of man. Because of Adam, the Law is made weak in the flesh (Romans 8:3). We have been under the Law since it was given until Christ.
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9/13/2016 1:52:43 PM
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At 9/13/2016 8:51:52 AM, zaarbuc wrote:

Are you familiar with the concepts of the old and new covenants? God's law was fulfilled through Christ.

Jesus disagree's with you:

Matthew 5:17-18 (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Yes. It was fulfilled by him on the cross (or stake). He had not been crucified yet when this was said. Read the very last part of the eighteenth verse you quoted.
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9/13/2016 4:10:14 PM
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At 9/13/2016 1:52:41 PM, Artaxerxes wrote:
At 9/13/2016 6:04:16 AM, bulproof wrote:

Christ purchased/redeemed us from the curse of the Law.
So your god's law is a curse. Who cursed us and why? When did this curse purchase us?
The Law is perfect. However, it is a curse to man because no one can possibly fulfill it (see the original citations I provided). The curse was placed on us because of the fall of man. Because of Adam, the Law is made weak in the flesh (Romans 8:3). We have been under the Law since it was given until Christ.

I don't think so. According to Jesus himself, the law will continue until heaven and earth disappear.

Matthew 5:17- "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."
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9/13/2016 4:32:10 PM
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At 9/13/2016 4:10:14 PM, thedynasty139 wrote:

The Law is perfect. However, it is a curse to man because no one can possibly fulfill it (see the original citations I provided). The curse was placed on us because of the fall of man. Because of Adam, the Law is made weak in the flesh (Romans 8:3). We have been under the Law since it was given until Christ.

I don't think so. According to Jesus himself, the law will continue until heaven and earth disappear.

Matthew 5:17- "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."
I wish people would actually read what they quoted:
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. "
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9/13/2016 4:35:52 PM
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At 9/13/2016 4:32:10 PM, Artaxerxes wrote:
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. "
Any literate Christian knows that it is Paul whose interpretations determine Christianity.

"For all who rely on the works of the [Old Testament] law are under a curse" and "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law" (Galatians 3:10, 13).
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9/13/2016 11:51:54 PM
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At 9/12/2016 6:14:14 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
Deuteronomy 25:11-12
If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, 12then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity.

so imagine burglar broke into your house and strangling your father to death. your mother comes to the rescue and she has to do anything to save your father's life so knowing the weakest part of men the genitals she neutralizes the burglar. after that u chup off your mothers hand... if she doesnt neutralize him he will kill your father and rape your mother.

so God inspired this logic?

Must have. Since you and the Jews "worship the 'god of Abraham'", I guess you condone it too eh? You sick little bastard.
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