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Willows
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9/20/2016 3:06:31 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
It seems that in Europe Syrian refugees are queing up to become Christians in the belief that they will not be sent home.

Is this a case of jumping out of the pan into the fire?

Or is it a case of religious hypocracy, using faith to achieve a self-obsessed end?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
Artaxerxes
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9/20/2016 4:37:38 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/20/2016 3:06:31 PM, Willows wrote:
It seems that in Europe Syrian refugees are queing up to become Christians in the belief that they will not be sent home.
That is a solid idea, as most people object to their failure to adhere to principles of Western Civilization. After all, a lot of Islamic principles are incompatible with Western Civilization.
Willows
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9/21/2016 5:49:06 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/20/2016 4:37:38 PM, Artaxerxes wrote:
At 9/20/2016 3:06:31 PM, Willows wrote:
It seems that in Europe Syrian refugees are queing up to become Christians in the belief that they will not be sent home.
That is a solid idea, as most people object to their failure to adhere to principles of Western Civilization. After all, a lot of Islamic principles are incompatible with Western Civilization.

And many could equally argue that a lot of Christian principles are incompatible with Western Civilisation, for example, homophobia and sexism.
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9/21/2016 7:24:18 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/20/2016 4:37:38 PM, Artaxerxes wrote:
At 9/20/2016 3:06:31 PM, Willows wrote:
It seems that in Europe Syrian refugees are queing up to become Christians in the belief that they will not be sent home.
That is a solid idea, as most people object to their failure to adhere to principles of Western Civilization. After all, a lot of Islamic principles are incompatible with Western Civilization.

Mahatma Gandhi was asked what he thought of Western Civilisation. He replied "I think it would be a good idea".
uncung
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9/21/2016 8:05:06 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/20/2016 3:06:31 PM, Willows wrote:
It seems that in Europe Syrian refugees are queing up to become Christians in the belief that they will not be sent home.

Is this a case of jumping out of the pan into the fire?

Or is it a case of religious hypocracy, using faith to achieve a self-obsessed end?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...

wrong title news, since they are not muslims, they are shiah.
they convert to Christianity sincerely.
Artaxerxes
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9/21/2016 12:23:56 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/21/2016 5:49:06 AM, Willows wrote:

That is a solid idea, as most people object to their failure to adhere to principles of Western Civilization. After all, a lot of Islamic principles are incompatible with Western Civilization.

And many could equally argue that a lot of Christian principles are incompatible with Western Civilisation, for example, homophobia and sexism.
Actually, this idea of homosexuality being acceptable is rather recent in development. Prior to this development, homosexuality was never a part of Western Civilization's institute of marriage or norms.

Regarding sexism, this is a more aged development. Women were by no means always equal in Western Civilization culture groups. However, that changed with time.
Willows
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9/21/2016 1:19:27 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/21/2016 12:23:56 PM, Artaxerxes wrote:
At 9/21/2016 5:49:06 AM, Willows wrote:

That is a solid idea, as most people object to their failure to adhere to principles of Western Civilization. After all, a lot of Islamic principles are incompatible with Western Civilization.

And many could equally argue that a lot of Christian principles are incompatible with Western Civilisation, for example, homophobia and sexism.
Actually, this idea of homosexuality being acceptable is rather recent in development. Prior to this development, homosexuality was never a part of Western Civilization's institute of marriage or norms.

Regarding sexism, this is a more aged development. Women were by no means always equal in Western Civilization culture groups. However, that changed with time.

Quite right; remember we are talking in the present tense. Society norms change however Christian norms are a lot slower and lag behind which is why I see many being dissolusioned with the church nowadays.
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9/21/2016 1:41:59 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/21/2016 8:05:06 AM, uncung wrote:
At 9/20/2016 3:06:31 PM, Willows wrote:
It seems that in Europe Syrian refugees are queing up to become Christians in the belief that they will not be sent home.

Is this a case of jumping out of the pan into the fire?

Or is it a case of religious hypocracy, using faith to achieve a self-obsessed end?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...


wrong title news, since they are not muslims, they are shiah.
they convert to Christianity sincerely.

Where in that article does it say they are Shia?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
uncung
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9/21/2016 2:26:17 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/21/2016 1:41:59 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/21/2016 8:05:06 AM, uncung wrote:
At 9/20/2016 3:06:31 PM, Willows wrote:
It seems that in Europe Syrian refugees are queing up to become Christians in the belief that they will not be sent home.

Is this a case of jumping out of the pan into the fire?

Or is it a case of religious hypocracy, using faith to achieve a self-obsessed end?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...


wrong title news, since they are not muslims, they are shiah.
they convert to Christianity sincerely.

Where in that article does it say they are Shia?

They are from Iran and Afghanistan.
DanneJeRusse
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9/21/2016 2:29:39 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/21/2016 2:26:17 PM, uncung wrote:
At 9/21/2016 1:41:59 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/21/2016 8:05:06 AM, uncung wrote:
At 9/20/2016 3:06:31 PM, Willows wrote:
It seems that in Europe Syrian refugees are queing up to become Christians in the belief that they will not be sent home.

Is this a case of jumping out of the pan into the fire?

Or is it a case of religious hypocracy, using faith to achieve a self-obsessed end?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...


wrong title news, since they are not muslims, they are shiah.
they convert to Christianity sincerely.

Where in that article does it say they are Shia?

They are from Iran and Afghanistan.

So, you're just guessing then as it does not say anything in the article. Liars for Allah.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/21/2016 4:49:55 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/21/2016 2:26:17 PM, uncung wrote:
At 9/21/2016 1:41:59 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/21/2016 8:05:06 AM, uncung wrote:
At 9/20/2016 3:06:31 PM, Willows wrote:
It seems that in Europe Syrian refugees are queing up to become Christians in the belief that they will not be sent home.

Is this a case of jumping out of the pan into the fire?

Or is it a case of religious hypocracy, using faith to achieve a self-obsessed end?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...


wrong title news, since they are not muslims, they are shiah.
they convert to Christianity sincerely.

Where in that article does it say they are Shia?

They are from Iran and Afghanistan.

Basically, you are saying that you do not choose your religion. The geography of your birth chose it for you. What a wonderful coincidence that you happened to be born in a country that had the correct religion!
Artaxerxes
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9/21/2016 7:09:00 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/21/2016 1:19:27 PM, Willows wrote:

Actually, this idea of homosexuality being acceptable is rather recent in development. Prior to this development, homosexuality was never a part of Western Civilization's institute of marriage or norms.

Regarding sexism, this is a more aged development. Women were by no means always equal in Western Civilization culture groups. However, that changed with time.

Quite right; remember we are talking in the present tense. Society norms change however Christian norms are a lot slower and lag behind which is why I see many being dissolusioned with the church nowadays.
You are right to some degree. However, I believe it would be a mistake to ignore the Judeo-Christian influences on Western Civilization as a whole. I do not believe it is possible to appreciate culture groups as they are today without having some appreciation of their history and development.
uncung
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9/21/2016 11:34:25 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/21/2016 4:49:55 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 9/21/2016 2:26:17 PM, uncung wrote:
At 9/21/2016 1:41:59 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/21/2016 8:05:06 AM, uncung wrote:
At 9/20/2016 3:06:31 PM, Willows wrote:
It seems that in Europe Syrian refugees are queing up to become Christians in the belief that they will not be sent home.

Is this a case of jumping out of the pan into the fire?

Or is it a case of religious hypocracy, using faith to achieve a self-obsessed end?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...


wrong title news, since they are not muslims, they are shiah.
they convert to Christianity sincerely.

Where in that article does it say they are Shia?

They are from Iran and Afghanistan.

Basically, you are saying that you do not choose your religion. The geography of your birth chose it for you. What a wonderful coincidence that you happened to be born in a country that had the correct religion!

yes it is the blessing to me, that I was born from Muslim parents in Islamic region. I like this coincidence. What about you, do you like the coincidence that your faith is related to your parents's?
uncung
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9/21/2016 11:35:28 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/21/2016 2:29:39 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/21/2016 2:26:17 PM, uncung wrote:
At 9/21/2016 1:41:59 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/21/2016 8:05:06 AM, uncung wrote:
At 9/20/2016 3:06:31 PM, Willows wrote:
It seems that in Europe Syrian refugees are queing up to become Christians in the belief that they will not be sent home.

Is this a case of jumping out of the pan into the fire?

Or is it a case of religious hypocracy, using faith to achieve a self-obsessed end?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...


wrong title news, since they are not muslims, they are shiah.
they convert to Christianity sincerely.

Where in that article does it say they are Shia?

They are from Iran and Afghanistan.

So, you're just guessing then as it does not say anything in the article. Liars for Allah.

I consider they are Shias, since they came from Iran and Afganisthan. Prove they aren't.
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9/21/2016 11:52:07 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/21/2016 11:34:25 PM, uncung wrote:
At 9/21/2016 4:49:55 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 9/21/2016 2:26:17 PM, uncung wrote:
At 9/21/2016 1:41:59 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/21/2016 8:05:06 AM, uncung wrote:
At 9/20/2016 3:06:31 PM, Willows wrote:
It seems that in Europe Syrian refugees are queing up to become Christians in the belief that they will not be sent home.

Is this a case of jumping out of the pan into the fire?

Or is it a case of religious hypocracy, using faith to achieve a self-obsessed end?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...


wrong title news, since they are not muslims, they are shiah.
they convert to Christianity sincerely.

Where in that article does it say they are Shia?

They are from Iran and Afghanistan.

Basically, you are saying that you do not choose your religion. The geography of your birth chose it for you. What a wonderful coincidence that you happened to be born in a country that had the correct religion!

yes it is the blessing to me, that I was born from Muslim parents in Islamic region. I like this coincidence. What about you, do you like the coincidence that your faith is related to your parents's?

My parents were Christian. I am a humanist. I chose for myself.
uncung
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9/21/2016 11:55:23 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/21/2016 11:52:07 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 9/21/2016 11:34:25 PM, uncung wrote:
At 9/21/2016 4:49:55 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 9/21/2016 2:26:17 PM, uncung wrote:
At 9/21/2016 1:41:59 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/21/2016 8:05:06 AM, uncung wrote:
At 9/20/2016 3:06:31 PM, Willows wrote:
It seems that in Europe Syrian refugees are queing up to become Christians in the belief that they will not be sent home.

Is this a case of jumping out of the pan into the fire?

Or is it a case of religious hypocracy, using faith to achieve a self-obsessed end?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...


wrong title news, since they are not muslims, they are shiah.
they convert to Christianity sincerely.

Where in that article does it say they are Shia?

They are from Iran and Afghanistan.

Basically, you are saying that you do not choose your religion. The geography of your birth chose it for you. What a wonderful coincidence that you happened to be born in a country that had the correct religion!

yes it is the blessing to me, that I was born from Muslim parents in Islamic region. I like this coincidence. What about you, do you like the coincidence that your faith is related to your parents's?

My parents were Christian. I am a humanist. I chose for myself.

I already guess your parents are Christian. Always like that, the children start to seek by their self when they grow up.
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9/22/2016 1:12:29 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/21/2016 11:35:28 PM, uncung wrote:
At 9/21/2016 2:29:39 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/21/2016 2:26:17 PM, uncung wrote:
At 9/21/2016 1:41:59 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/21/2016 8:05:06 AM, uncung wrote:
At 9/20/2016 3:06:31 PM, Willows wrote:
It seems that in Europe Syrian refugees are queing up to become Christians in the belief that they will not be sent home.

Is this a case of jumping out of the pan into the fire?

Or is it a case of religious hypocracy, using faith to achieve a self-obsessed end?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...


wrong title news, since they are not muslims, they are shiah.
they convert to Christianity sincerely.

Where in that article does it say they are Shia?

They are from Iran and Afghanistan.

So, you're just guessing then as it does not say anything in the article. Liars for Allah.

I consider they are Shias, since they came from Iran and Afganisthan. Prove they aren't.

Sorry, but YOU made the claim they were Shia, despite the fact there was no mention whatsoever regarding the factions of Islam, they said Muslims. Obviously you're just making it up. Lying comes easy for you guys. no morals or ethics at all.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
uncung
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9/22/2016 1:48:24 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 1:12:29 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/21/2016 11:35:28 PM, uncung wrote:
At 9/21/2016 2:29:39 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/21/2016 2:26:17 PM, uncung wrote:
At 9/21/2016 1:41:59 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/21/2016 8:05:06 AM, uncung wrote:
At 9/20/2016 3:06:31 PM, Willows wrote:
It seems that in Europe Syrian refugees are queing up to become Christians in the belief that they will not be sent home.

Is this a case of jumping out of the pan into the fire?

Or is it a case of religious hypocracy, using faith to achieve a self-obsessed end?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...


wrong title news, since they are not muslims, they are shiah.
they convert to Christianity sincerely.

Where in that article does it say they are Shia?

They are from Iran and Afghanistan.

So, you're just guessing then as it does not say anything in the article. Liars for Allah.

I consider they are Shias, since they came from Iran and Afganisthan. Prove they aren't.

Sorry, but YOU made the claim they were Shia, despite the fact there was no mention whatsoever regarding the factions of Islam, they said Muslims. Obviously you're just making it up. Lying comes easy for you guys. no morals or ethics at all.

Of course the news didn't mention their denomination, but aren't Iranians shiahs?
btw shias are not muslims to begin with.
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9/22/2016 1:54:54 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/21/2016 8:05:06 AM, uncung wrote:
At 9/20/2016 3:06:31 PM, Willows wrote:
It seems that in Europe Syrian refugees are queing up to become Christians in the belief that they will not be sent home.

Is this a case of jumping out of the pan into the fire?

Or is it a case of religious hypocracy, using faith to achieve a self-obsessed end?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...


wrong title news, since they are not muslims, they are shiah.
they convert to Christianity sincerely.

They are Muslims, because they say they are....fool.
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9/22/2016 1:55:33 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
"One of the most vulnerable Afghan refugee groups is the ethnic Hazara, who face targeted killings and persecution by the Taliban and anti-Shia factions in Afghanistan. "

http://www.resettlement.eu...
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9/22/2016 1:56:30 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 1:48:24 AM, uncung wrote:
At 9/22/2016 1:12:29 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/21/2016 11:35:28 PM, uncung wrote:
At 9/21/2016 2:29:39 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/21/2016 2:26:17 PM, uncung wrote:
At 9/21/2016 1:41:59 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/21/2016 8:05:06 AM, uncung wrote:
At 9/20/2016 3:06:31 PM, Willows wrote:
It seems that in Europe Syrian refugees are queing up to become Christians in the belief that they will not be sent home.

Is this a case of jumping out of the pan into the fire?

Or is it a case of religious hypocracy, using faith to achieve a self-obsessed end?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...


wrong title news, since they are not muslims, they are shiah.
they convert to Christianity sincerely.

Where in that article does it say they are Shia?

They are from Iran and Afghanistan.

So, you're just guessing then as it does not say anything in the article. Liars for Allah.

I consider they are Shias, since they came from Iran and Afganisthan. Prove they aren't.

Sorry, but YOU made the claim they were Shia, despite the fact there was no mention whatsoever regarding the factions of Islam, they said Muslims. Obviously you're just making it up. Lying comes easy for you guys. no morals or ethics at all.

Of course the news didn't mention their denomination, but aren't Iranians shiahs?
btw shias are not muslims to begin with.

You are a bigot.
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9/22/2016 2:10:19 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
"This is prompting many Afghan families to leave Pakistan and take the perilous bus ride through Iran and Turkey to try and reach Europe.

Another big source of Afghan refugees are the Hazaras targeted by the Taliban and al-Qaeda for being Shia. Even worse " some Hazara Shia refugees in Iran are being recruited to fight for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad"

http://blogs.ft.com...
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9/22/2016 3:08:22 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/20/2016 3:06:31 PM, Willows wrote:
It seems that in Europe Syrian refugees are queing up to become Christians in the belief that they will not be sent home.

Is this a case of jumping out of the pan into the fire?

Or is it a case of religious hypocracy, using faith to achieve a self-obsessed end?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...

Well, it is nice to see some religious leaders who question the act of conversion done under duress! Regardless, this story is perhaps a good insight into how mass conversions have happened throughout history-- namely people simply wanting to take the path of least resistance in various societies and circumstances.
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