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9/27/2016 4:55:33 PM
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he claimed allah spoke to him and perhaps the moon demon of ancient times did, does that cover crazy.. he did not say it was a moon demon, that covers lying...

he married a six year old girl and had sex with her at 9 years old, making him a paedophile..

he famously organised attacks on camel trains killing and looting, his writings say kill the infidels, the non muslims... he clearly is a murderer and condones it...
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9/27/2016 5:14:09 PM
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At 9/27/2016 4:55:33 PM, graceofgod wrote:
he claimed allah spoke to him and perhaps the moon demon of ancient times did, does that cover crazy.. he did not say it was a moon demon, that covers lying...

he married a six year old girl and had sex with her at 9 years old, making him a paedophile..

he famously organised attacks on camel trains killing and looting, his writings say kill the infidels, the non muslims... he clearly is a murderer and condones it...

Yes, you are a hypocrite, this thread is a testament to that fact.
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a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
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9/27/2016 6:29:13 PM
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At 9/27/2016 4:55:33 PM, graceofgod wrote:
he claimed allah spoke to him and perhaps the moon demon of ancient times did, does that cover crazy.. he did not say it was a moon demon, that covers lying...

he married a six year old girl and had sex with her at 9 years old, making him a paedophile..

he famously organised attacks on camel trains killing and looting, his writings say kill the infidels, the non muslims... he clearly is a murderer and condones it...

David wood's fan right? lol
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9/27/2016 6:41:51 PM
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At 9/27/2016 4:55:33 PM, graceofgod wrote:
he claimed allah spoke to him and perhaps the moon demon of ancient times did, does that cover crazy.. he did not say it was a moon demon, that covers lying...

he married a six year old girl and had sex with her at 9 years old, making him a paedophile..

he famously organised attacks on camel trains killing and looting, his writings say kill the infidels, the non muslims... he clearly is a murderer and condones it...

And his claim is true.
well, since you rely on PERHAPS then your assertion is flaw.
at least he married her.
he attacked his enemies just like the enemies attacked him.
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9/27/2016 8:18:47 PM
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At 9/27/2016 6:41:51 PM, uncung wrote:
At 9/27/2016 4:55:33 PM, graceofgod wrote:
he claimed allah spoke to him and perhaps the moon demon of ancient times did, does that cover crazy.. he did not say it was a moon demon, that covers lying...

he married a six year old girl and had sex with her at 9 years old, making him a paedophile..

he famously organised attacks on camel trains killing and looting, his writings say kill the infidels, the non muslims... he clearly is a murderer and condones it...

And his claim is true.
well, since you rely on PERHAPS then your assertion is flaw.
at least he married her.
he attacked his enemies just like the enemies attacked him.

It's ok to rape 9 year olds if you marry them first?
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9/27/2016 8:29:51 PM
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At 9/27/2016 4:55:33 PM, graceofgod wrote:
he claimed allah spoke to him and perhaps the moon demon of ancient times did, does that cover crazy.. he did not say it was a moon demon, that covers lying...

he married a six year old girl and had sex with her at 9 years old, making him a paedophile..

he famously organised attacks on camel trains killing and looting, his writings say kill the infidels, the non muslims... he clearly is a murderer and condones it...

Response: No evidence for your claims, thus failing to disprove the fact that Muhammad was a true prophet of great morale.
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9/27/2016 9:12:44 PM
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At 9/27/2016 6:41:51 PM, uncung wrote:
At 9/27/2016 4:55:33 PM, graceofgod wrote:
he claimed allah spoke to him and perhaps the moon demon of ancient times did, does that cover crazy.. he did not say it was a moon demon, that covers lying...

he married a six year old girl and had sex with her at 9 years old, making him a paedophile..

he famously organised attacks on camel trains killing and looting, his writings say kill the infidels, the non muslims... he clearly is a murderer and condones it...

And his claim is true.
well, since you rely on PERHAPS then your assertion is flaw.
at least he married her.
he attacked his enemies just like the enemies attacked him.

the fact he spoke to a moon demon is true, could be ..
the fact he married a child he assaulted makes it ok does it??
he attacked camel trains for profit...
he wanted all non muslims killed... are all non muslims his enemy??
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9/27/2016 9:15:03 PM
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At 9/27/2016 8:29:51 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 9/27/2016 4:55:33 PM, graceofgod wrote:
he claimed allah spoke to him and perhaps the moon demon of ancient times did, does that cover crazy.. he did not say it was a moon demon, that covers lying...

he married a six year old girl and had sex with her at 9 years old, making him a paedophile..

he famously organised attacks on camel trains killing and looting, his writings say kill the infidels, the non muslims... he clearly is a murderer and condones it...

Response: No evidence for your claims, thus failing to disprove the fact that Muhammad was a true prophet of great morale.

of great morals...
having sex with a 9 year old is not the actions of a moral person...
wanting every non muslim killed is not a sign of high morality...
attacking camel trains killing and raping and stealing is not a show of great morals..
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9/27/2016 9:18:28 PM
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At 9/27/2016 9:15:03 PM, graceofgod wrote:

of great morals...
having sex with a 9 year old is not the actions of a moral person...
wanting every non muslim killed is not a sign of high morality...
attacking camel trains killing and raping and stealing is not a show of great morals..

Response: I agree, which is why Muhammad (saw) had great morals since he never did any of those things as proven by your failed evidence to show otherwise.
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9/27/2016 9:21:45 PM
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At 9/27/2016 9:18:28 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 9/27/2016 9:15:03 PM, graceofgod wrote:

of great morals...
having sex with a 9 year old is not the actions of a moral person...
wanting every non muslim killed is not a sign of high morality...
attacking camel trains killing and raping and stealing is not a show of great morals..

Response: I agree, which is why Muhammad (saw) had great morals since he never did any of those things as proven by your failed evidence to show otherwise.

he had sex with a 9 year old girl, that is for sure...
he declares kill the infidels, non muslims, so that is proven..
he lead a band that attacked camel trains, he killed, raped and stole, each member of his gang were promised an equal share of the profits of the raid,, that is also very true...

no high morality there at all...
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9/27/2016 9:27:42 PM
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At 9/27/2016 9:21:45 PM, graceofgod wrote:


he had sex with a 9 year old girl, that is for sure...
he declares kill the infidels, non muslims, so that is proven..
he lead a band that attacked camel trains, he killed, raped and stole, each member of his gang were promised an equal share of the profits of the raid,, that is also very true...

no high morality there at all...

Response: Nope. If that was the case we would see your evidence. You have none. That's for sure.

Nothing but High morality there.
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9/27/2016 9:29:22 PM
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At 9/27/2016 9:27:42 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 9/27/2016 9:21:45 PM, graceofgod wrote:


he had sex with a 9 year old girl, that is for sure...
he declares kill the infidels, non muslims, so that is proven..
he lead a band that attacked camel trains, he killed, raped and stole, each member of his gang were promised an equal share of the profits of the raid,, that is also very true...

no high morality there at all...

Response: Nope. If that was the case we would see your evidence. You have none. That's for sure.

Nothing but High morality there.

there is tons of proof of everything I said, you seem to be in denial...
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9/27/2016 9:31:44 PM
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By Ali Sina

The thought of an old man becoming aroused by a child is one of the most disturbing thoughts that makes us cringe as it reminds us of pedophilia and the most despicable people. It is difficult to accept that the Holy Prophet married Aisha when she was 6-years-old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9. He was then, 54 years old.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Some Muslims claim that it was Abu Bakr who approached Muhammad asking him to marry his daughter. This is of course not true and here is the proof.

Sahih Bukhari 7.18
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

Arabs were a primitive lot with little rules to abide. Yet they had some code of ethics that they honored scrupulously. For example, although they fought all the year round, they abstained from hostilities during certain holy months of the year. They also considered Mecca to be a holy city and did not make war against it. A adopted son"s wife was deemed to be a daughter in law and they would not marry her. Also it was customary that close friends made a pact of brotherhood and considered each other as true brothers. The Prophet disregarded all of these rules anytime they stood between him and his interests or whims.

Abu Bakr and Muhammad had pledged to each other to be brothers. So according to their costoms Ayesha was supposed to be like a niece to the Holy Prophet. Yet that did not stop him to ask her hand even when she was only six years old.

But this moral relativist Prophet would use the same excuse to reject a woman he did not like.
Sahih Bukhari V.7, B62, N. 37
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
It was said to the Prophet, "Won't you marry the daughter of Hamza?" He said, "She is my foster niece (brother's daughter). "

Hamza and Abu Bakr both were the foster brothers of Muhammad. But Ayesha must have been too pretty for the Prophet to abide by the codes of ethics and custom.

In the following Hadith he confided to Ahesha that he had dreamed of her before soliciting her from her father.

Sahih Bukhari 9.140
Narrated 'Aisha:
Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.

Whether Muhammad had actually such dream or he just said it to please Ayesha is not the point. What matters here is that it indicates that Ayesaha was a baby being "carried" by an angel when the Prophet dreamed of her.

There are numerous hadithes that explicitly reveal the age of Ayesha at the time of her marriage. Here are some of them.

Sahih Bukhari 5.236.
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari 5.234
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

And in another Hadith we read.

Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 41, Number 4915, also Number 4916 and Number 4917
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. according to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter.

In the above hadith we read that Ayesha was swinging, This is a play of little girls not grown up people. The following Hadith is particularly interesting because it shows that Ayesha was so small that was not aware what was going on when the Holy Prophet "surprised" her by going to her.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 90
Narrated Aisha:
When the Prophet married me, my mother came to me and made me enter the house (of the Prophet) and nothing surprised me but the coming of Allah's Apostle to me in the forenoon.

Must have been quite a surprise! But the following is also interesting because it demonstrates that she was just a kid playing with her dolls. Pay attention to what the interpreter wrote in the parenthesis. (She was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty)

Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3311
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.

The holy Prophet died when he was 63. So he must have married Ayesha when he as 51 and went to her when he was 54.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 33
Narrated 'Aisha:
I never felt so jealous of any woman as I did of Khadija, though she had died three years before the Prophet married me, and that was because I heard him mentioning her too often, and because his Lord had ordered him to give her the glad tidings that she would have a palace in Paradise, made of Qasab and because he used to slaughter a sheep and distribute its meat among her friends.

Khadija died in December of 619 AD. T
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9/27/2016 9:39:12 PM
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At 9/27/2016 9:31:44 PM, graceofgod wrote:
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

(Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and she was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3311).

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old. Sahih Muslim Book 8, Number 3310

The hadiths show with context, that Muhammad married Aisha at 6 (wrote the contract), and he entered into the contract when she was 9 by living together. Not that she had sex at 9. So consummation is referring to living together. Not sex.

Debunked as usual. Try again.
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9/27/2016 9:42:20 PM
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At 9/27/2016 9:39:12 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 9/27/2016 9:31:44 PM, graceofgod wrote:
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

(Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and she was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3311).

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old. Sahih Muslim Book 8, Number 3310

The hadiths show with context, that Muhammad married Aisha at 6 (wrote the contract), and he entered into the contract when she was 9 by living together. Not that she had sex at 9. So consummation is referring to living together. Not sex.

Debunked as usual. Try again.

lol you just changed the words..

it said several that said the same thing married and sexed at 9 year old...

are yu going to rewrite them all to make the peado look normal...
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9/27/2016 9:48:26 PM
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At 9/27/2016 9:42:20 PM, graceofgod wrote:


lol you just changed the words..

it said several that said the same thing married and sexed at 9 year old...

are yu going to rewrite them all to make the peado look normal...

Response: Those are the exact words found in the sources. Debunked, Try again.
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9/27/2016 9:49:49 PM
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At 9/27/2016 9:48:26 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 9/27/2016 9:42:20 PM, graceofgod wrote:


lol you just changed the words..

it said several that said the same thing married and sexed at 9 year old...

are yu going to rewrite them all to make the peado look normal...

Response: Those are the exact words found in the sources. Debunked, Try again.

they are not plus i presented other sources and even a video of a cleric declaring she was 9 when the paedo had sex with her...
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9/27/2016 9:55:49 PM
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At 9/27/2016 9:49:49 PM, graceofgod wrote:

they are not plus i presented other sources and even a video of a cleric declaring she was 9 when the paedo had sex with her...

Response: Yes they are, and Islam is based on Qur'an and Sunnah. Not a video of a cleric. Otherwise, the thousands of rapes by Christian Priests is a reflection of your own religion. Debunked.
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9/27/2016 9:58:17 PM
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At 9/27/2016 9:55:49 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 9/27/2016 9:49:49 PM, graceofgod wrote:

they are not plus i presented other sources and even a video of a cleric declaring she was 9 when the paedo had sex with her...

Response: Yes they are, and Islam is based on Qur'an and Sunnah. Not a video of a cleric. Otherwise, the thousands of rapes by Christian Priests is a reflection of your own religion. Debunked.
I showed you several quotes from the koran all said she was 9 when the paedo had sex with the little girl..
so one of your own religious leaders declaring what the koran means is not the truth..lol

non as blind as those who choose not too see.......lol
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9/27/2016 10:00:24 PM
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At 9/27/2016 9:58:17 PM, graceofgod wrote:

I showed you several quotes from the koran all said she was 9 when the paedo had sex with the little girl..
so one of your own religious leaders declaring what the koran means is not the truth..lol

non as blind as those who choose not too see.......lol

Response: All which was refuted by showing you from the same sources that she was when they lived together. Not sex. Debunked. Try again.
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9/27/2016 10:24:59 PM
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At 9/27/2016 10:00:24 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 9/27/2016 9:58:17 PM, graceofgod wrote:

I showed you several quotes from the koran all said she was 9 when the paedo had sex with the little girl..
so one of your own religious leaders declaring what the koran means is not the truth..lol

non as blind as those who choose not too see.......lol

Response: All which was refuted by showing you from the same sources that she was when they lived together. Not sex. Debunked. Try again.

lol she lived with him from 9 year old ....you wish

they all showed the peado muhammered had sex with her at nine years old, even the cleric stated it...lol
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9/27/2016 10:28:19 PM
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At 9/27/2016 10:24:59 PM, graceofgod wrote:

lol she lived with him from 9 year old ....you wish

they all showed the peado muhammered had sex with her at nine years old, even the cleric stated it...lol

Response: They all showed they lived together when she was 9, and only a pedophile pervert thinks otherwise. Thus exposing yourself. Debunked. Try again.
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9/27/2016 10:30:40 PM
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At 9/27/2016 10:28:19 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 9/27/2016 10:24:59 PM, graceofgod wrote:

lol she lived with him from 9 year old ....you wish

they all showed the peado muhammered had sex with her at nine years old, even the cleric stated it...lol

Response: They all showed they lived together when she was 9, and only a pedophile pervert thinks otherwise. Thus exposing yourself. Debunked. Try again.

no all the ones I showed stated clearly, the marriage was consummated at none years old, the peado profit muhammered had sex with a nine year old little girl....

even the cleric stated the same thing, I assume your clerics no the koran...??
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9/27/2016 10:34:40 PM
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At 9/27/2016 10:30:40 PM, graceofgod wrote:

no all the ones I showed stated clearly, the marriage was consummated at none years old, the peado profit muhammered had sex with a nine year old little girl....

even the cleric stated the same thing, I assume your clerics no the koran...??

Response: And all the sources I provided show that consummate refers to living together. Not sex. Debunked.

Even your Priests love to rape children. I assume your priests know the your religion..??
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9/27/2016 10:38:05 PM
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At 9/27/2016 10:34:40 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 9/27/2016 10:30:40 PM, graceofgod wrote:

no all the ones I showed stated clearly, the marriage was consummated at none years old, the peado profit muhammered had sex with a nine year old little girl....

even the cleric stated the same thing, I assume your clerics no the koran...??

Response: And all the sources I provided show that consummate refers to living together. Not sex. Debunked.

Even your Priests love to rape children. I assume your priests know the your religion..??

you do not consummate a marriage by living together, having sex consummates the marriage, and she was a nine year old little girl, still playing with dolls, when the peado muhammered had sex with her..

my faith doesn't have priest, you are as ignorant of my beliefs as it seems you are of your own.....
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9/27/2016 10:52:51 PM
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At 9/27/2016 10:38:05 PM, graceofgod wrote:

you do not consummate a marriage by living together, having sex consummates the marriage, and she was a nine year old little girl, still playing with dolls, when the peado muhammered had sex with her..

my faith doesn't have priest, you are as ignorant of my beliefs as it seems you are of your own.....

Response: If having sex consummate a marriage to you then that makes YOU a pedophile pervert since you say it means sex when the sources do not. Another perverted non-Muslim easily exposed.
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9/27/2016 10:59:10 PM
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At 9/27/2016 10:52:51 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 9/27/2016 10:38:05 PM, graceofgod wrote:

you do not consummate a marriage by living together, having sex consummates the marriage, and she was a nine year old little girl, still playing with dolls, when the peado muhammered had sex with her..

my faith doesn't have priest, you are as ignorant of my beliefs as it seems you are of your own.....

Response: If having sex consummate a marriage to you then that makes YOU a pedophile pervert since you say it means sex when the sources do not. Another perverted non-Muslim easily exposed.

That's what consummate means when referring to marriage you retarded twit. Or are you just pretending to be stupid?
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9/27/2016 11:08:29 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/27/2016 10:59:10 PM, janesix wrote:

That's what consummate means when referring to marriage you retarded twit. Or are you just pretending to be stupid?

Response: No dictionary on planet Earth says consummate only means sex when referring to marriage. It also means to complete. DUMMY. Did your mother forget to swallow you or is retardation the forte in your lineage?
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9/27/2016 11:12:59 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/27/2016 11:08:29 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 9/27/2016 10:59:10 PM, janesix wrote:

That's what consummate means when referring to marriage you retarded twit. Or are you just pretending to be stupid?

Response: No dictionary on planet Earth says consummate only means sex when referring to marriage. It also means to complete. DUMMY. Did your mother forget to swallow you or is retardation the forte in your lineage?

You are as slimy as your pedo prophet. That's why you defend pedophiles with six year old wives. I can't wait till your disgusting religion is eradicated from this earth.