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9/29/2016 6:58:40 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
an easy way to determine whether you're going to heaven or hell, is to see how you're feeling about death and dying.

how do you feel about finally crossing the bridge and face God and the angels and the prophets and divine judgement.

for example, if you're told that you have cancer and you have only 6 month to live, how would you feel?

if a person disobeys God and does what he wants, when the signs of departure are revealed, s/he will know that what awaits him/her on the other side, is nothing by darkness and pain.

because after all, death is only a bridge and by itself is not frightening. what we have on this side and that side of the bridge is what might scare us, or make us happy.

as Molana said:
death of everyone, oh son, has the same color as himself
and is friend with friends and enemy to enemies

o, you who are afraid of death and are escaping it
beware, you're afraid of your own self

it's your ugly face not the face of death (that's scaring you)
your life is like a tree, and death, is it's leaves.

great people are the ones who see this world, as just a womb for the afterlife, and try their best to prepare themselves for what awaits them in their eternity. and the greatest moment of a person's life, is when he leaves this world while prepared, and is welcomed by God and angels and prophets and all the great and pious people of the past, and leaves all the hardships and pains of this material world behind.

yet, for someone who's not prepared for that world, that world, no matter how complete and beautiful, will be full of pain and suffering. like a disabled child who can't see or hear or sense or taste or walk in this world, and therefor is in constant pain.

so, if you're afraid of death, it's your only true face that's scaring you; not the death itself.
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9/29/2016 7:10:02 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/29/2016 6:58:40 PM, lightseeker wrote:
an easy way to determine whether you're going to heaven or hell, is to see how you're feeling about death and dying.

how do you feel about finally crossing the bridge and face God and the angels and the prophets and divine judgement.

for example, if you're told that you have cancer and you have only 6 month to live, how would you feel?

if a person disobeys God and does what he wants, when the signs of departure are revealed, s/he will know that what awaits him/her on the other side, is nothing by darkness and pain.

because after all, death is only a bridge and by itself is not frightening. what we have on this side and that side of the bridge is what might scare us, or make us happy.

as Molana said:
death of everyone, oh son, has the same color as himself
and is friend with friends and enemy to enemies

o, you who are afraid of death and are escaping it
beware, you're afraid of your own self

it's your ugly face not the face of death (that's scaring you)
your life is like a tree, and death, is it's leaves.

great people are the ones who see this world, as just a womb for the afterlife, and try their best to prepare themselves for what awaits them in their eternity. and the greatest moment of a person's life, is when he leaves this world while prepared, and is welcomed by God and angels and prophets and all the great and pious people of the past, and leaves all the hardships and pains of this material world behind.

yet, for someone who's not prepared for that world, that world, no matter how complete and beautiful, will be full of pain and suffering. like a disabled child who can't see or hear or sense or taste or walk in this world, and therefor is in constant pain.

so, if you're afraid of death, it's your only true face that's scaring you; not the death itself.

I think it shows more about the strength of your faith than about the type of person that you have been in life. If someone does not absolutely believe in a life after death, a fear of death becomes only natural.
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9/29/2016 7:16:38 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/29/2016 7:10:02 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 9/29/2016 6:58:40 PM, lightseeker wrote:
an easy way to determine whether you're going to heaven or hell, is to see how you're feeling about death and dying.

how do you feel about finally crossing the bridge and face God and the angels and the prophets and divine judgement.

for example, if you're told that you have cancer and you have only 6 month to live, how would you feel?

if a person disobeys God and does what he wants, when the signs of departure are revealed, s/he will know that what awaits him/her on the other side, is nothing by darkness and pain.

because after all, death is only a bridge and by itself is not frightening. what we have on this side and that side of the bridge is what might scare us, or make us happy.

as Molana said:
death of everyone, oh son, has the same color as himself
and is friend with friends and enemy to enemies

o, you who are afraid of death and are escaping it
beware, you're afraid of your own self

it's your ugly face not the face of death (that's scaring you)
your life is like a tree, and death, is it's leaves.

great people are the ones who see this world, as just a womb for the afterlife, and try their best to prepare themselves for what awaits them in their eternity. and the greatest moment of a person's life, is when he leaves this world while prepared, and is welcomed by God and angels and prophets and all the great and pious people of the past, and leaves all the hardships and pains of this material world behind.

yet, for someone who's not prepared for that world, that world, no matter how complete and beautiful, will be full of pain and suffering. like a disabled child who can't see or hear or sense or taste or walk in this world, and therefor is in constant pain.

so, if you're afraid of death, it's your only true face that's scaring you; not the death itself.

I think it shows more about the strength of your faith than about the type of person that you have been in life. If someone does not absolutely believe in a life after death, a fear of death becomes only natural.

not believing in afterlife, is the same as not being prepared for it.
and being unprepared, is the same as being in pain.

in our religious text we have that everyone, as soon as they die, will enter heaven. yet, if they're not prepared for it, the strength of realities in heaven, will make it like fire for them. for example, the air in heaven will be like miasma for those who've not prepared themselves for it in this world.
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9/29/2016 7:22:43 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/29/2016 7:16:38 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 9/29/2016 7:10:02 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 9/29/2016 6:58:40 PM, lightseeker wrote:
an easy way to determine whether you're going to heaven or hell, is to see how you're feeling about death and dying.

how do you feel about finally crossing the bridge and face God and the angels and the prophets and divine judgement.

for example, if you're told that you have cancer and you have only 6 month to live, how would you feel?

if a person disobeys God and does what he wants, when the signs of departure are revealed, s/he will know that what awaits him/her on the other side, is nothing by darkness and pain.

because after all, death is only a bridge and by itself is not frightening. what we have on this side and that side of the bridge is what might scare us, or make us happy.

as Molana said:
death of everyone, oh son, has the same color as himself
and is friend with friends and enemy to enemies

o, you who are afraid of death and are escaping it
beware, you're afraid of your own self

it's your ugly face not the face of death (that's scaring you)
your life is like a tree, and death, is it's leaves.

great people are the ones who see this world, as just a womb for the afterlife, and try their best to prepare themselves for what awaits them in their eternity. and the greatest moment of a person's life, is when he leaves this world while prepared, and is welcomed by God and angels and prophets and all the great and pious people of the past, and leaves all the hardships and pains of this material world behind.

yet, for someone who's not prepared for that world, that world, no matter how complete and beautiful, will be full of pain and suffering. like a disabled child who can't see or hear or sense or taste or walk in this world, and therefor is in constant pain.

so, if you're afraid of death, it's your only true face that's scaring you; not the death itself.

I think it shows more about the strength of your faith than about the type of person that you have been in life. If someone does not absolutely believe in a life after death, a fear of death becomes only natural.

not believing in afterlife, is the same as not being prepared for it.
and being unprepared, is the same as being in pain.

in our religious text we have that everyone, as soon as they die, will enter heaven. yet, if they're not prepared for it, the strength of realities in heaven, will make it like fire for them. for example, the air in heaven will be like miasma for those who've not prepared themselves for it in this world.
...

I think it is save to assume that the afterlife will not be a hell to 99.99% of all the people who die. Which religious text would that be?
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9/29/2016 7:35:36 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
I can see where this thread will go once those who claim faith is belief in fairy tales find this thread.

I do not fear death as I have already faced it on multiple occasions.
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9/29/2016 7:46:46 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/29/2016 6:58:40 PM, lightseeker wrote:
an easy way to determine whether you're going to heaven or hell, is to see how you're feeling about death and dying.

how do you feel about finally crossing the bridge and face God and the angels and the prophets and divine judgement.

for example, if you're told that you have cancer and you have only 6 month to live, how would you feel?

if a person disobeys God and does what he wants, when the signs of departure are revealed, s/he will know that what awaits him/her on the other side, is nothing by darkness and pain.

because after all, death is only a bridge and by itself is not frightening. what we have on this side and that side of the bridge is what might scare us, or make us happy.

as Molana said:
death of everyone, oh son, has the same color as himself
and is friend with friends and enemy to enemies

o, you who are afraid of death and are escaping it
beware, you're afraid of your own self

it's your ugly face not the face of death (that's scaring you)
your life is like a tree, and death, is it's leaves.

great people are the ones who see this world, as just a womb for the afterlife, and try their best to prepare themselves for what awaits them in their eternity. and the greatest moment of a person's life, is when he leaves this world while prepared, and is welcomed by God and angels and prophets and all the great and pious people of the past, and leaves all the hardships and pains of this material world behind.

Great people? LOL. Ignorant deluded people swallowing up myth and superstition.

yet, for someone who's not prepared for that world, that world, no matter how complete and beautiful, will be full of pain and suffering. like a disabled child who can't see or hear or sense or taste or walk in this world, and therefor is in constant pain.

so, if you're afraid of death, it's your only true face that's scaring you; not the death itself.
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9/29/2016 7:57:44 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/29/2016 7:22:43 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 9/29/2016 7:16:38 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 9/29/2016 7:10:02 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 9/29/2016 6:58:40 PM, lightseeker wrote:
an easy way to determine whether you're going to heaven or hell, is to see how you're feeling about death and dying.

how do you feel about finally crossing the bridge and face God and the angels and the prophets and divine judgement.

for example, if you're told that you have cancer and you have only 6 month to live, how would you feel?

if a person disobeys God and does what he wants, when the signs of departure are revealed, s/he will know that what awaits him/her on the other side, is nothing by darkness and pain.

because after all, death is only a bridge and by itself is not frightening. what we have on this side and that side of the bridge is what might scare us, or make us happy.

as Molana said:
death of everyone, oh son, has the same color as himself
and is friend with friends and enemy to enemies

o, you who are afraid of death and are escaping it
beware, you're afraid of your own self

it's your ugly face not the face of death (that's scaring you)
your life is like a tree, and death, is it's leaves.

great people are the ones who see this world, as just a womb for the afterlife, and try their best to prepare themselves for what awaits them in their eternity. and the greatest moment of a person's life, is when he leaves this world while prepared, and is welcomed by God and angels and prophets and all the great and pious people of the past, and leaves all the hardships and pains of this material world behind.

yet, for someone who's not prepared for that world, that world, no matter how complete and beautiful, will be full of pain and suffering. like a disabled child who can't see or hear or sense or taste or walk in this world, and therefor is in constant pain.

so, if you're afraid of death, it's your only true face that's scaring you; not the death itself.

I think it shows more about the strength of your faith than about the type of person that you have been in life. If someone does not absolutely believe in a life after death, a fear of death becomes only natural.

not believing in afterlife, is the same as not being prepared for it.
and being unprepared, is the same as being in pain.

in our religious text we have that everyone, as soon as they die, will enter heaven. yet, if they're not prepared for it, the strength of realities in heaven, will make it like fire for them. for example, the air in heaven will be like miasma for those who've not prepared themselves for it in this world.
...

I think it is save to assume that the afterlife will not be a hell to 99.99% of all the people who die. Which religious text would that be?

I didn't say it will be hell for 99.99% of people. according to Quran:

Indeed the faithful, the Jews, the Sabaeans, and the Christians"those who have faith in Allah (which is the name of God in Arabic) and the Last Day and act righteously"they will have no fear, nor will they grieve.

Indeed, those whom the angels take away while they are wronging themselves, they ask, "What state were you in?" They reply, "We were oppressed in the land." They say, "Was not Allah"s earth vast enough so that you might migrate in it?" The refuge of such shall be hell, and it is an evil destination.

Except the oppressed among men, women and children, who have neither access to any means nor are guided to any way.

so, even among atheists, those who truly can't have access to the guidance of God, but act according to the accepted and humane laws, will in the end enter heaven.
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9/29/2016 7:58:33 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/29/2016 7:35:36 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
I can see where this thread will go once those who claim faith is belief in fairy tales find this thread.

I do not fear death as I have already faced it on multiple occasions.

faced it where?
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9/29/2016 7:59:23 PM
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At 9/29/2016 7:46:52 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
a good death is it's own reward

and what is a good death?
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9/29/2016 8:01:44 PM
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At 9/29/2016 7:59:23 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 9/29/2016 7:46:52 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
a good death is it's own reward

and what is a good death?

Everyone must define that for themselves. For the poet, it's riding off into the sunset or some other mythopoetic endeavor. For the warrior, it is upholding honor and defense of comrades. For the afflicted, it is a peaceful passing...

Only you can define what is a good death for yourself.
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9/29/2016 8:04:17 PM
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At 9/29/2016 7:58:33 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 9/29/2016 7:35:36 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
I can see where this thread will go once those who claim faith is belief in fairy tales find this thread.

I do not fear death as I have already faced it on multiple occasions.

faced it where?

Rock climbing, skydiving, being mugged, panama, iraq...
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9/29/2016 8:07:31 PM
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At 9/29/2016 8:01:44 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 9/29/2016 7:59:23 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 9/29/2016 7:46:52 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
a good death is it's own reward

and what is a good death?

Everyone must define that for themselves. For the poet, it's riding off into the sunset or some other mythopoetic endeavor. For the warrior, it is upholding honor and defense of comrades. For the afflicted, it is a peaceful passing...

Only you can define what is a good death for yourself.

according to this, fulfilling some ultimate goal makes it good, right? like being free of pain, upholding one's honor ...
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9/29/2016 8:10:32 PM
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At 9/29/2016 8:07:31 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 9/29/2016 8:01:44 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 9/29/2016 7:59:23 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 9/29/2016 7:46:52 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
a good death is it's own reward

and what is a good death?

Everyone must define that for themselves. For the poet, it's riding off into the sunset or some other mythopoetic endeavor. For the warrior, it is upholding honor and defense of comrades. For the afflicted, it is a peaceful passing...

Only you can define what is a good death for yourself.

according to this, fulfilling some ultimate goal makes it good, right? like being free of pain, upholding one's honor ...

again, it's up to each individual to define for themselves.

Could be being a parent, teacher, thinker, follower of faith, scientific skeptic... whatever code or morality an individual subscribes too, objective or subjective...

I can only answer that question for myself and with one more amends, I can pass in peace no matter what occurs from here on out.
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9/29/2016 8:27:51 PM
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At 9/29/2016 8:04:17 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 9/29/2016 7:58:33 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 9/29/2016 7:35:36 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
I can see where this thread will go once those who claim faith is belief in fairy tales find this thread.

I do not fear death as I have already faced it on multiple occasions.

faced it where?

Rock climbing, skydiving, being mugged, panama, iraq...

they're some extreme activities and have probably made you numb to the feeling of death. these kinds of activities are normally done by people who feels a void inside their heart, and needs to fill it with extreme sports and activities. so, you do these to satisfy your need to grow and be more. absurdism is the word for it i think.

fear is the first level.
if one's heart is blackened, a permanent feeling of disgust might actually be a better word to describe how they feel towards life and it's completion, which is death.

so, how close was I ?
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9/29/2016 8:36:26 PM
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What if I'm already immortal? What if I live in a world beyond the jurisdiction of the Bible? I'm not afraid to die because when I die I'll just create another human avatar to resume playing within this game of life. I am afraid of the pain though. There are a lot of nasty ways to die. I don't know if drowning is any better than burning to death, but anyone saying they're not afraid of that is lying.
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9/29/2016 8:38:24 PM
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At 9/29/2016 8:27:51 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 9/29/2016 8:04:17 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 9/29/2016 7:58:33 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 9/29/2016 7:35:36 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
I can see where this thread will go once those who claim faith is belief in fairy tales find this thread.

I do not fear death as I have already faced it on multiple occasions.

faced it where?

Rock climbing, skydiving, being mugged, panama, iraq...

they're some extreme activities and have probably made you numb to the feeling of death. these kinds of activities are normally done by people who feels a void inside their heart, and needs to fill it with extreme sports and activities. so, you do these to satisfy your need to grow and be more. absurdism is the word for it i think.

fear is the first level.
if one's heart is blackened, a permanent feeling of disgust might actually be a better word to describe how they feel towards life and it's completion, which is death.

so, how close was I ?

Both close and far depending on the stage of life one is referring to. Yes voids were filled with activities that others may find 'reckless' but those voids are also filled by self actualization and growth.
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9/29/2016 10:22:30 PM
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At 9/29/2016 6:58:40 PM, lightseeker wrote:
an easy way to determine whether you're going to heaven or hell, is to see how you're feeling about death and dying.

how do you feel about finally crossing the bridge and face God and the angels and the prophets and divine judgement.

for example, if you're told that you have cancer and you have only 6 month to live, how would you feel?
Upset.
if a person disobeys God and does what he wants, when the signs of departure are revealed, s/he will know that what awaits him/her on the other side, is nothing by darkness and pain.
The severity of indoctrination is profound here.
because after all, death is only a bridge and by itself is not frightening. what we have on this side and that side of the bridge is what might scare us, or make us happy.
I fail to understand why you bifurcate the concept of a religious 'side' and apply it to death provided there are no sides as it pertains to biology.
as Molana said:
death of everyone, oh son, has the same color as himself
and is friend with friends and enemy to enemies

o, you who are afraid of death and are escaping it
beware, you're afraid of your own self

it's your ugly face not the face of death (that's scaring you)
your life is like a tree, and death, is it's leaves.

great people are the ones who see this world, as just a womb for the afterlife, and try their best to prepare themselves for what awaits them in their eternity. and the greatest moment of a person's life, is when he leaves this world while prepared, and is welcomed by God and angels and prophets and all the great and pious people of the past, and leaves all the hardships and pains of this material world behind.

yet, for someone who's not prepared for that world, that world, no matter how complete and beautiful, will be full of pain and suffering. like a disabled child who can't see or hear or sense or taste or walk in this world, and therefor is in constant pain.

so, if you're afraid of death, it's your only true face that's scaring you; not the death itself.

I skipped the remainder of your post, but as usual, studying anatomy and (specifically) physiology will lend some insight of how the body and it's systems can cease to function, since you are pondering death.
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9/30/2016 1:52:42 PM
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At 9/29/2016 6:58:40 PM, lightseeker wrote:
an easy way to determine whether you're going to heaven or hell, is to see how you're feeling about death and dying.

how do you feel about finally crossing the bridge and face God and the angels and the prophets and divine judgement.

I figure it makes for really silly movies.


for example, if you're told that you have cancer and you have only 6 month to live, how would you feel?

I would feel sad. The universe existed for 14 billion years without me, and will go on existing for nobody knows how long after I'm gone. And I only get to enjoy it for a few short decades.

if a person disobeys God and does what he wants, when the signs of departure are revealed, s/he will know that what awaits him/her on the other side, is nothing by darkness and pain.

because after all, death is only a bridge and by itself is not frightening. what we have on this side and that side of the bridge is what might scare us, or make us happy.

as Molana said:
death of everyone, oh son, has the same color as himself
and is friend with friends and enemy to enemies

o, you who are afraid of death and are escaping it
beware, you're afraid of your own self

it's your ugly face not the face of death (that's scaring you)
your life is like a tree, and death, is it's leaves.

great people are the ones who see this world, as just a womb for the afterlife, and try their best to prepare themselves for what awaits them in their eternity. and the greatest moment of a person's life, is when he leaves this world while prepared, and is welcomed by God and angels and prophets and all the great and pious people of the past, and leaves all the hardships and pains of this material world behind.

You claim this is what great people expect. I claim it is what deluded people expect.


yet, for someone who's not prepared for that world, that world, no matter how complete and beautiful, will be full of pain and suffering. like a disabled child who can't see or hear or sense or taste or walk in this world, and therefor is in constant pain.

so, if you're afraid of death, it's your only true face that's scaring you; not the death itself.

I'm not afraid of death. I go to sleep every night, and wake up in the morning. If one of those mornings I didn't wake up, what is that to fear? If you are talking about a painful death, then yes, I'd fear the pain. That's a natural response.

A few extra thoughts:

The assumption of your post appears to be that unbelievers fear death more than believers. In my experience, the opposite is true (and this actually does appear quite paradoxical).

Is it believers or unbelievers who are by far in the majority in trying to prevent those who are dying from painful, incurable conditions from letting go of life?

Is it unbelievers or conservative, mostly Christian, gun lobbyists who feel a need to possess a firearm to protect themselves from those who might take their life?

And, because some people probably accept these lies invented by the church without thinking about it:

Yes, there are plenty of atheists in foxholes, and yes, almost all stories about deathbed conversions are made up.

Like most unbelievers, I don't have any desire to die. I get pleasure from this life and will be sad to let it go. Does the thought of death scare me? Not really. But if you are a believer and fear death - as the OP asks - why?
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9/30/2016 2:06:18 PM
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At 9/29/2016 6:58:40 PM, lightseeker wrote:
an easy way to determine whether you're going to heaven or hell, is to see how you're feeling about death and dying.

I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.

Mark Twain

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What the hell kind of coked up sideshow has this thread turned into. - Casten
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9/30/2016 2:12:54 PM
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At 9/30/2016 2:06:18 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 9/29/2016 6:58:40 PM, lightseeker wrote:
an easy way to determine whether you're going to heaven or hell, is to see how you're feeling about death and dying.

I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.

Mark Twain



Where's the like button? I'd forgotten that gem from the great man.
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9/30/2016 3:48:18 PM
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At 9/29/2016 6:58:40 PM, lightseeker wrote:
an easy way to determine whether you're going to heaven or hell, is to see how you're feeling about death and dying.

how do you feel about finally crossing the bridge and face God and the angels and the prophets and divine judgement.

for example, if you're told that you have cancer and you have only 6 month to live, how would you feel?

if a person disobeys God and does what he wants, when the signs of departure are revealed, s/he will know that what awaits him/her on the other side, is nothing by darkness and pain.

because after all, death is only a bridge and by itself is not frightening. what we have on this side and that side of the bridge is what might scare us, or make us happy.

as Molana said:
death of everyone, oh son, has the same color as himself
and is friend with friends and enemy to enemies

o, you who are afraid of death and are escaping it
beware, you're afraid of your own self

it's your ugly face not the face of death (that's scaring you)
your life is like a tree, and death, is it's leaves.

great people are the ones who see this world, as just a womb for the afterlife, and try their best to prepare themselves for what awaits them in their eternity. and the greatest moment of a person's life, is when he leaves this world while prepared, and is welcomed by God and angels and prophets and all the great and pious people of the past, and leaves all the hardships and pains of this material world behind.

yet, for someone who's not prepared for that world, that world, no matter how complete and beautiful, will be full of pain and suffering. like a disabled child who can't see or hear or sense or taste or walk in this world, and therefor is in constant pain.

so, if you're afraid of death, it's your only true face that's scaring you; not the death itself.

Instilling fear of death is part of the Great Scam of religion. It keeps pews and collection plates full.

After all, how could one possibly verify the reality of the afterlife that religions peddle? They advertise goods that they cannot demonstrate even exist.
The metaphysicist has no laboratory.
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9/30/2016 4:48:17 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/29/2016 8:36:26 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
What if I'm already immortal? What if I live in a world beyond the jurisdiction of the Bible? I'm not afraid to die because when I die I'll just create another human avatar to resume playing within this game of life. I am afraid of the pain though. There are a lot of nasty ways to die. I don't know if drowning is any better than burning to death, but anyone saying they're not afraid of that is lying.

and who is this "I" that you're talking about? your soul maybe?
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9/30/2016 4:56:19 PM
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At 9/30/2016 4:48:17 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 9/29/2016 8:36:26 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
What if I'm already immortal? What if I live in a world beyond the jurisdiction of the Bible? I'm not afraid to die because when I die I'll just create another human avatar to resume playing within this game of life. I am afraid of the pain though. There are a lot of nasty ways to die. I don't know if drowning is any better than burning to death, but anyone saying they're not afraid of that is lying.

and who is this "I" that you're talking about? your soul maybe?

No. That would be my spirit. Only my spirit sits above all jurisdictions of the Bible.
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9/30/2016 4:58:00 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/29/2016 8:38:24 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 9/29/2016 8:27:51 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 9/29/2016 8:04:17 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 9/29/2016 7:58:33 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 9/29/2016 7:35:36 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
I can see where this thread will go once those who claim faith is belief in fairy tales find this thread.

I do not fear death as I have already faced it on multiple occasions.

faced it where?

Rock climbing, skydiving, being mugged, panama, iraq...

they're some extreme activities and have probably made you numb to the feeling of death. these kinds of activities are normally done by people who feels a void inside their heart, and needs to fill it with extreme sports and activities. so, you do these to satisfy your need to grow and be more. absurdism is the word for it i think.

fear is the first level.
if one's heart is blackened, a permanent feeling of disgust might actually be a better word to describe how they feel towards life and it's completion, which is death.

so, how close was I ?

Both close and far depending on the stage of life one is referring to. Yes voids were filled with activities that others may find 'reckless' but those voids are also filled by self actualization and growth.

so how do you feel about your attempt for self actualization and growth, even though you know that death will end it all for you, and no matter how good or bad a person you've been, the same faith awaits you.

if you believe death to be the end of all things for you, and you're not afraid of it, then why not just end your life?
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9/30/2016 5:04:50 PM
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At 9/29/2016 10:22:30 PM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 9/29/2016 6:58:40 PM, lightseeker wrote:
an easy way to determine whether you're going to heaven or hell, is to see how you're feeling about death and dying.

how do you feel about finally crossing the bridge and face God and the angels and the prophets and divine judgement.

for example, if you're told that you have cancer and you have only 6 month to live, how would you feel?
Upset.
why? even if you were told that it's gonna be painless, you'd still be upset?

if a person disobeys God and does what he wants, when the signs of departure are revealed, s/he will know that what awaits him/her on the other side, is nothing by darkness and pain.
The severity of indoctrination is profound here.
think about a fetus in a womb, that's not preparing for the world that it's gonna enter after a while. this world is also like a womb for the afterlife.

because after all, death is only a bridge and by itself is not frightening. what we have on this side and that side of the bridge is what might scare us, or make us happy.
I fail to understand why you bifurcate the concept of a religious 'side' and apply it to death provided there are no sides as it pertains to biology.
again, the fetus example, is at least enough to show that there might be other sides to our life on earth, and that we might actually be in a preparation period for our final stage in life, which is our eternity.

as Molana said:
death of everyone, oh son, has the same color as himself
and is friend with friends and enemy to enemies

o, you who are afraid of death and are escaping it
beware, you're afraid of your own self

it's your ugly face not the face of death (that's scaring you)
your life is like a tree, and death, is it's leaves.

great people are the ones who see this world, as just a womb for the afterlife, and try their best to prepare themselves for what awaits them in their eternity. and the greatest moment of a person's life, is when he leaves this world while prepared, and is welcomed by God and angels and prophets and all the great and pious people of the past, and leaves all the hardships and pains of this material world behind.

yet, for someone who's not prepared for that world, that world, no matter how complete and beautiful, will be full of pain and suffering. like a disabled child who can't see or hear or sense or taste or walk in this world, and therefor is in constant pain.

so, if you're afraid of death, it's your only true face that's scaring you; not the death itself.

I skipped the remainder of your post, but as usual, studying anatomy and (specifically) physiology will lend some insight of how the body and it's systems can cease to function, since you are pondering death.
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9/30/2016 5:15:39 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/30/2016 1:52:42 PM, Skeptical1 wrote:
At 9/29/2016 6:58:40 PM, lightseeker wrote:
an easy way to determine whether you're going to heaven or hell, is to see how you're feeling about death and dying.

how do you feel about finally crossing the bridge and face God and the angels and the prophets and divine judgement.

I figure it makes for really silly movies.


for example, if you're told that you have cancer and you have only 6 month to live, how would you feel?

I would feel sad. The universe existed for 14 billion years without me, and will go on existing for nobody knows how long after I'm gone. And I only get to enjoy it for a few short decades.

if a person disobeys God and does what he wants, when the signs of departure are revealed, s/he will know that what awaits him/her on the other side, is nothing by darkness and pain.

because after all, death is only a bridge and by itself is not frightening. what we have on this side and that side of the bridge is what might scare us, or make us happy.

as Molana said:
death of everyone, oh son, has the same color as himself
and is friend with friends and enemy to enemies

o, you who are afraid of death and are escaping it
beware, you're afraid of your own self

it's your ugly face not the face of death (that's scaring you)
your life is like a tree, and death, is it's leaves.

great people are the ones who see this world, as just a womb for the afterlife, and try their best to prepare themselves for what awaits them in their eternity. and the greatest moment of a person's life, is when he leaves this world while prepared, and is welcomed by God and angels and prophets and all the great and pious people of the past, and leaves all the hardships and pains of this material world behind.

You claim this is what great people expect. I claim it is what deluded people expect.


yet, for someone who's not prepared for that world, that world, no matter how complete and beautiful, will be full of pain and suffering. like a disabled child who can't see or hear or sense or taste or walk in this world, and therefor is in constant pain.

so, if you're afraid of death, it's your only true face that's scaring you; not the death itself.

I'm not afraid of death. I go to sleep every night, and wake up in the morning. If one of those mornings I didn't wake up, what is that to fear? If you are talking about a painful death, then yes, I'd fear the pain. That's a natural response.

A few extra thoughts:

The assumption of your post appears to be that unbelievers fear death more than believers. In my experience, the opposite is true (and this actually does appear quite paradoxical).
true believers are not afraid of death. because as I said, in their minds, death is just a bridge that they pass to enter their eternal life.
but what they might be afraid of, is the result of their bad deeds that might bring them pain after their departure. so, true believers see death as the sweetest moment of their life. and history has shown this over and over again.

unbelievers, are more or less ignorant about the Idea of afterlife. so, death itself is really undesirable for them.

Is it believers or unbelievers who are by far in the majority in trying to prevent those who are dying from painful, incurable conditions from letting go of life?
suicide is not an option for believers.

Is it unbelievers or conservative, mostly Christian, gun lobbyists who feel a need to possess a firearm to protect themselves from those who might take their life?
believers are those who truly believe in God and act according to his will. not just anyone who carries the titles of Christianity, Islam, ...
you really think American presidents believe in God?

And, because some people probably accept these lies invented by the church without thinking about it:

Yes, there are plenty of atheists in foxholes, and yes, almost all stories about deathbed conversions are made up.

Like most unbelievers, I don't have any desire to die. I get pleasure from this life and will be sad to let it go. Does the thought of death scare me? Not really. But if you are a believer and fear death - as the OP asks - why?

if I have done sins and don't know whether I'm forgiven, then I'll be scared.
if I have strong faith yet not strong enough to be free from sins, then again I might be scared that when the final whistle is blown, I might be in a state of ignorance and therefor meet a bad end.

otherwise death itself is not really scary for me.
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9/30/2016 5:24:02 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/30/2016 3:48:18 PM, Looncall wrote:
At 9/29/2016 6:58:40 PM, lightseeker wrote:
an easy way to determine whether you're going to heaven or hell, is to see how you're feeling about death and dying.

how do you feel about finally crossing the bridge and face God and the angels and the prophets and divine judgement.

for example, if you're told that you have cancer and you have only 6 month to live, how would you feel?

if a person disobeys God and does what he wants, when the signs of departure are revealed, s/he will know that what awaits him/her on the other side, is nothing by darkness and pain.

because after all, death is only a bridge and by itself is not frightening. what we have on this side and that side of the bridge is what might scare us, or make us happy.

as Molana said:
death of everyone, oh son, has the same color as himself
and is friend with friends and enemy to enemies

o, you who are afraid of death and are escaping it
beware, you're afraid of your own self

it's your ugly face not the face of death (that's scaring you)
your life is like a tree, and death, is it's leaves.

great people are the ones who see this world, as just a womb for the afterlife, and try their best to prepare themselves for what awaits them in their eternity. and the greatest moment of a person's life, is when he leaves this world while prepared, and is welcomed by God and angels and prophets and all the great and pious people of the past, and leaves all the hardships and pains of this material world behind.

yet, for someone who's not prepared for that world, that world, no matter how complete and beautiful, will be full of pain and suffering. like a disabled child who can't see or hear or sense or taste or walk in this world, and therefor is in constant pain.

so, if you're afraid of death, it's your only true face that's scaring you; not the death itself.

Instilling fear of death is part of the Great Scam of religion. It keeps pews and collection plates full.

After all, how could one possibly verify the reality of the afterlife that religions peddle? They advertise goods that they cannot demonstrate even exist.
the reality of afterlife, is verified through realizing the existence of soul. and one of the reasons to know we have soul, is our desire for greatness, and our understanding about things like beauty, without being taught about it.
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9/30/2016 5:40:15 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/30/2016 2:06:18 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 9/29/2016 6:58:40 PM, lightseeker wrote:
an easy way to determine whether you're going to heaven or hell, is to see how you're feeling about death and dying.

I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.

Mark Twain

these are simply words from an author of fictional novels.
let me show you a better picture.

Saddam Hussein dropped a couple of missiles in the occupied Palestine. around 30 people died. except for two of them that died from suffocating (old people that had put on gas mask but couldn't breath through them), the rest died from heart attacks. and the funny part is, those missiles didn't have explosive war heads. their warhead was filled with sand! so the fear of being attacked was enough to kill that many people.

same thing happened in US during Hurricane Katrina. military had to intervene to stop the people who saw the absence of surveillance, from stealing and pillaging and mugging others.
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9/30/2016 7:05:37 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/30/2016 5:04:50 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 9/29/2016 10:22:30 PM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 9/29/2016 6:58:40 PM, lightseeker wrote:
an easy way to determine whether you're going to heaven or hell, is to see how you're feeling about death and dying.

how do you feel about finally crossing the bridge and face God and the angels and the prophets and divine judgement.

for example, if you're told that you have cancer and you have only 6 month to live, how would you feel?
Upset.
why? even if you were told that it's gonna be painless, you'd still be upset?
Yes, because I value the time I have right now and anticipate a future for myself wherein I can continue to value life and enjoy my hobbies and interests. If I became aware that I no longer have access to a future, that would be disconcerting.
if a person disobeys God and does what he wants, when the signs of departure are revealed, s/he will know that what awaits him/her on the other side, is nothing by darkness and pain.
The severity of indoctrination is profound here.
think about a fetus in a womb, that's not preparing for the world that it's gonna enter after a while. this world is also like a womb for the afterlife.
On the contrary, a fetus in a womb is exposed to hormones, is nourished, and undergoes brain development, which are all aspects that allow the fetus to effeciently function after birth.
because after all, death is only a bridge and by itself is not frightening. what we have on this side and that side of the bridge is what might scare us, or make us happy.
I fail to understand why you bifurcate the concept of a religious 'side' and apply it to death provided there are no sides as it pertains to biology.
again, the fetus example, is at least enough to show that there might be other sides to our life on earth, and that we might actually be in a preparation period for our final stage in life, which is our eternity.

No the provided example does not demonstrate that there might be an alternative side to biology. You may ponder that philosophically, albeit biology paints a different picture.