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Willows
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10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?
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10/2/2016 12:12:16 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

I am an ignorant religious person.
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10/2/2016 12:17:34 PM
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At 10/2/2016 12:12:16 PM, uncung wrote:
At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

I am an ignorant religious person.

Well that may be what works for you.
Do you find that, even subconsciously, you have to block things out in order to keep your faith strong?
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10/2/2016 12:19:42 PM
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At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

Christianity is not supposed to operate that way but it does sometimes, but so does humanism.
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10/2/2016 12:24:51 PM
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At 10/2/2016 12:19:42 PM, rnjs wrote:
At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

Christianity is not supposed to operate that way but it does sometimes, but so does humanism.

Humanism though uses critical thinking and evidence, therefore urging one to look outside the square rather than stubbornly accepting what is thrown at you.
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10/2/2016 1:03:30 PM
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At 10/2/2016 12:17:34 PM, Willows wrote:
At 10/2/2016 12:12:16 PM, uncung wrote:
At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

I am an ignorant religious person.

Well that may be what works for you.
Do you find that, even subconsciously, you have to block things out in order to keep your faith strong?

I am an opened minded person, I accept, learn, and examine all things from outside. I don't mind to change my religious stance if I found it is wrong.
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10/2/2016 2:23:12 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

There are indeed religious organizations who act as you describe but it's logically unjustified to then claim that all religions and all people with religious beliefs fit that mould, surely you can see that?

There are countless people who hold views that you'd label "religious" who are demonstrably not ignorant, do you deny this?

There are also countless people who ridicule any form of religious belief who are themselves ignorant, do you deny this?

Basically if you're trying to assert "all people who hold religious beliefs are ignorant" then you're making a very poor case.
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10/2/2016 4:18:55 PM
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At 10/2/2016 12:24:51 PM, Willows wrote:
At 10/2/2016 12:19:42 PM, rnjs wrote:
At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

Christianity is not supposed to operate that way but it does sometimes, but so does humanism.

Humanism though uses critical thinking and evidence, therefore urging one to look outside the square rather than stubbornly accepting what is thrown at you.

Many Christians use critical thinking and evidence and are encouraged by God to use reason and investigate all things to see if they are true. Just because their interpretation of evidence/facts differs from the humanists doesn't make it wrong, and in many cases makes far more sense than the opposing view.
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10/2/2016 5:21:52 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

i love the way you group religion in one big lump and think you cover it...

that really is ignorance...
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10/2/2016 5:48:55 PM
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At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?
I can see you're being challenged on your wide paintbrush. That being the case, I would say some atheists fall into a similar trap as those duped and conned by religious con-artists, religious cults, etc.

Atheism is being marketed, and in such as to dupe the interested atheist into believing they are the highest intelligence on an evolutionary latter. And, a number of atheists seem to fall for it. They believe they've got everything about religion figured out, and hold to positions that are the merest of speculation, all of course spot lighting their subgroup.

What better way to create a con than to target a subgroup's ego.
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10/2/2016 6:06:31 PM
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At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

Too informed.
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10/2/2016 6:14:35 PM
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At 10/2/2016 4:18:55 PM, rnjs wrote:
At 10/2/2016 12:24:51 PM, Willows wrote:
At 10/2/2016 12:19:42 PM, rnjs wrote:
At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

Christianity is not supposed to operate that way but it does sometimes, but so does humanism.

Humanism though uses critical thinking and evidence, therefore urging one to look outside the square rather than stubbornly accepting what is thrown at you.

Many Christians use critical thinking and evidence and are encouraged by God to use reason and investigate all things to see if they are true. Just because their interpretation of evidence/facts differs from the humanists doesn't make it wrong, and in many cases makes far more sense than the opposing view.

Don't be ridiculous, that isn't even remotely true, try to be honest about your faith, which is what it really is, just blind faith.
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10/2/2016 6:18:42 PM
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At 10/2/2016 6:14:35 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/2/2016 4:18:55 PM, rnjs wrote:
At 10/2/2016 12:24:51 PM, Willows wrote:
At 10/2/2016 12:19:42 PM, rnjs wrote:
At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

Christianity is not supposed to operate that way but it does sometimes, but so does humanism.

Humanism though uses critical thinking and evidence, therefore urging one to look outside the square rather than stubbornly accepting what is thrown at you.

Many Christians use critical thinking and evidence and are encouraged by God to use reason and investigate all things to see if they are true. Just because their interpretation of evidence/facts differs from the humanists doesn't make it wrong, and in many cases makes far more sense than the opposing view.

Don't be ridiculous, that isn't even remotely true, try to be honest about your faith, which is what it really is, just blind faith.

How do you know it isn't true? can you show that it isn't true or is bluster your primary means of conveying your ideas?
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10/2/2016 6:32:20 PM
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At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

Blind faith: Nuttin done it...
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10/3/2016 2:53:54 AM
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At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

I think, to some degree, intelligence is inversely correlated with ignorance. Someone with an IQ of 70 isn't going to have a deep understanding of quantum mechanics.

Studies have shown an inverse correlation between religiosity and IQ. Religious people tend to have lower IQs than secularists, in general. https://en.wikipedia.org...

I think a low IQ helps keep people religious or allows them to be convinced of unsubstantiated ideas. Studies show that religious people with higher IQs are more likely to lose their religion than their lower IQ counterparts.
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10/3/2016 2:56:45 AM
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At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

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10/3/2016 3:09:48 AM
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At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

Ignorance beget religion. What is lightning? No clue, must be some god. Without the means to explain something, humans often turn to the supernatural. This still happens today. Where did the universe come from? God did it. Where do you go when you die? God takes you. Or sends you to a pit of fire.
Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning. - Albert Einstein
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10/3/2016 3:10:47 AM
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At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

By the way, I am not calling all religious people ignorant. I am just talking about where religion came from in the first place.
Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning. - Albert Einstein
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10/3/2016 5:40:56 AM
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At 10/3/2016 3:10:47 AM, ANON_TacTiX wrote:
At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

By the way, I am not calling all religious people ignorant. I am just talking about where religion came from in the first place.
I've seen this statement numerous times, yet with absolutely no historical background. Can you provide a bit of that for me?
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10/3/2016 6:02:16 AM
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At 10/3/2016 3:10:47 AM, ANON_TacTiX wrote:
At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

By the way, I am not calling all religious people ignorant. I am just talking about where religion came from in the first place.

I know what you mean. I think that non-ignorant religious people are the ones who know very well that religion is one great scam but use it to exercise control over others.
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10/3/2016 6:07:52 AM
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At 10/3/2016 2:56:45 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

"I know that I know nothing."

Which is far better than nothing to know.
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10/3/2016 6:10:15 AM
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At 10/3/2016 2:53:54 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

I think, to some degree, intelligence is inversely correlated with ignorance. Someone with an IQ of 70 isn't going to have a deep understanding of quantum mechanics.

Studies have shown an inverse correlation between religiosity and IQ. Religious people tend to have lower IQs than secularists, in general. https://en.wikipedia.org...

I think a low IQ helps keep people religious or allows them to be convinced of unsubstantiated ideas. Studies show that religious people with higher IQs are more likely to lose their religion than their lower IQ counterparts.

And those who (say they) are religious and have a high IQ are the ones who use religion to manipulate others.
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10/3/2016 6:24:02 AM
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At 10/2/2016 5:48:55 PM, RoderickSpode wrote:
At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?
I can see you're being challenged on your wide paintbrush. That being the case, I would say some atheists fall into a similar trap as those duped and conned by religious con-artists, religious cults, etc.

Atheism is being marketed, and in such as to dupe the interested atheist into believing they are the highest intelligence on an evolutionary latter. And, a number of atheists seem to fall for it. They believe they've got everything about religion figured out, and hold to positions that are the merest of speculation, all of course spot lighting their subgroup.

What better way to create a con than to target a subgroup's ego.

Of course one of the characteristics of religion and ignorance is the invention of conspiracies, believing that "others are out to get us".

Another characteristic I have also noted is what I call "6 year old school playground mentality", i.e. throwing spite and scorn at others who dare to mention something that just may upset them. Grow up.
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10/3/2016 6:27:45 AM
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At 10/3/2016 6:24:02 AM, Willows wrote:
At 10/2/2016 5:48:55 PM, RoderickSpode wrote:
At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?
I can see you're being challenged on your wide paintbrush. That being the case, I would say some atheists fall into a similar trap as those duped and conned by religious con-artists, religious cults, etc.

Atheism is being marketed, and in such as to dupe the interested atheist into believing they are the highest intelligence on an evolutionary latter. And, a number of atheists seem to fall for it. They believe they've got everything about religion figured out, and hold to positions that are the merest of speculation, all of course spot lighting their subgroup.

What better way to create a con than to target a subgroup's ego.

Of course one of the characteristics of religion and ignorance is the invention of conspiracies, believing that "others are out to get us".

Another characteristic I have also noted is what I call "6 year old school playground mentality", i.e. throwing spite and scorn at others who dare to mention something that just may upset them. Grow up.
That happens sometimes. Did that happen in this thread?
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10/3/2016 6:28:36 AM
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At 10/2/2016 5:21:52 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

i love the way you group religion in one big lump and think you cover it...

that really is ignorance...

So, tell me then, what do you think are the exceptions of religious followers being ignorant?
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10/3/2016 6:42:41 AM
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At 10/2/2016 4:18:55 PM, rnjs wrote:
At 10/2/2016 12:24:51 PM, Willows wrote:
At 10/2/2016 12:19:42 PM, rnjs wrote:
At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

Christianity is not supposed to operate that way but it does sometimes, but so does humanism.

Humanism though uses critical thinking and evidence, therefore urging one to look outside the square rather than stubbornly accepting what is thrown at you.

Many Christians use critical thinking and evidence and are encouraged by God to use reason and investigate all things to see if they are true. Just because their interpretation of evidence/facts differs from the humanists doesn't make it wrong, and in many cases makes far more sense than the opposing view.

Absolutely incorrect and total nonsense.

Their interpretation does make it wrong in that such interpretations are invariably way off the beaten track.
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10/3/2016 6:47:39 AM
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I wouldn't say religious people are ignorant, but religion can promote a sort of intellectual stagnation by purporting to provide answers and having the notion that it somehow impious or sinful to question those answers.

The dark ages between the middle ages and the enlightenment was a period where orthodoxy held sway and there was little intellectual progress in Europe. The Muslim world after a brief golden age also entered a similar 'Dark age' which it can be argued is still on-going, and possibly getting darker.

I think it is a tautology that religious orthodoxy and free thought are incompatible.
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10/3/2016 6:50:50 AM
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At 10/2/2016 4:18:55 PM, rnjs wrote:
At 10/2/2016 12:24:51 PM, Willows wrote:
At 10/2/2016 12:19:42 PM, rnjs wrote:
At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

Christianity is not supposed to operate that way but it does sometimes, but so does humanism.

Humanism though uses critical thinking and evidence, therefore urging one to look outside the square rather than stubbornly accepting what is thrown at you.

Many Christians use critical thinking and evidence and are encouraged by God to use reason and investigate all things to see if they are true. Just because their interpretation of evidence/facts differs from the humanists doesn't make it wrong, and in many cases makes far more sense than the opposing view.
"Critical thinking", "evidence" and then we get "encouraged by god".
This does not compute.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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10/3/2016 6:50:59 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 10/2/2016 2:23:12 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

There are indeed religious organizations who act as you describe but it's logically unjustified to then claim that all religions and all people with religious beliefs fit that mould, surely you can see that?
I have thoroughly researched the topic....name one?

There are countless people who hold views that you'd label "religious" who are demonstrably not ignorant, do you deny this?

There are also countless people who ridicule any form of religious belief who are themselves ignorant, do you deny this?

No I don't, many atheists are ignorant, however, all theists are ignorant.

Basically if you're trying to assert "all people who hold religious beliefs are ignorant" then you're making a very poor case.

Explain what would be poor about making such a case.
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10/3/2016 6:53:49 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 10/3/2016 5:40:56 AM, RoderickSpode wrote:
At 10/3/2016 3:10:47 AM, ANON_TacTiX wrote:
At 10/2/2016 9:41:28 AM, Willows wrote:
Or is it that ignorant people are religious?

If we look at how religions operate, followers are conditioned and urged to read only certain literature, see and hear certain things, associate with certain people and reject anything to the contrary. That surely will foster ignorance which will flow into all other facets of a follower's life.

On the other hand, a person who is inherently ignorant may have a natural disposition to be religious or at least believe in something supernatural.

So, which came first, ignorance or religion?

By the way, I am not calling all religious people ignorant. I am just talking about where religion came from in the first place.
I've seen this statement numerous times, yet with absolutely no historical background. Can you provide a bit of that for me?
Religious beliefs have no supporting evidence and are therefore ignorant.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin