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10/11/2016 8:07:05 AM
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all right.
to all dear evolutionists out there.

if you're saying that life is a result of evolution, then you should know that evolution is also a result of chance. therefor life is a result of chance.

and something that's a result of chance, doesn't and can't have a goal.
so, we're just a thing made up of some elements, and will live in this world for sometime, and will be consumed by this world and that's that.

so, why are you trying so hard to give meaning and goal to your life? it doesn't have a goal or purpose. it's a result of chance. one thing hit another and life was created. so what philosophy you think you're gonna find for the reason behind life?

but if you believe that you're created by God, and you have an eternity awaiting you, then that can create a very strong goal and philosophy for your life on earth: which is to prepare yourself for your eternity and the place that you're gonna go.

so, if you're an evolutionist and you're trying to find a philosophy for your life, I tell you that you can't. every philosophy you find for it will be incorrect.
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10/11/2016 8:41:20 AM
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How do you tell apart things that are created by chance, from things that were created by intent?
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10/11/2016 9:32:17 AM
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At 10/11/2016 8:07:05 AM, lightseeker wrote:
all right.
to all dear evolutionists out there.

if you're saying that life is a result of evolution, then you should know that evolution is also a result of chance. therefor life is a result of chance.

and something that's a result of chance, doesn't and can't have a goal.
so, we're just a thing made up of some elements, and will live in this world for sometime, and will be consumed by this world and that's that.

so, why are you trying so hard to give meaning and goal to your life? it doesn't have a goal or purpose. it's a result of chance. one thing hit another and life was created. so what philosophy you think you're gonna find for the reason behind life?

There simply is no reason behind life, in three words, "deal with it".

but if you believe that you're created by God, and you have an eternity awaiting you, then that can create a very strong goal and philosophy for your life on earth: which is to prepare yourself for your eternity and the place that you're gonna go.

so, if you're an evolutionist and you're trying to find a philosophy for your life, I tell you that you can't.

Everything you said made sense up to here..........
every philosophy you find for it will be incorrect.

We create our own meaning for life and any philosophy whether it be, live life to the full or raise a family....that can't be incorrect but it can be appropriate.

Religions seem to think that they have a copyright on the term "meaning of life". They don't.
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10/11/2016 9:52:43 AM
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At 10/11/2016 8:41:20 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
How do you tell apart things that are created by chance, from things that were created by intent?

what is created by chance? and how you can prove it?
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10/11/2016 9:53:55 AM
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At 10/11/2016 8:07:05 AM, lightseeker wrote:
all right.
to all dear evolutionists out there.

if you're saying that life is a result of evolution, then you should know that evolution is also a result of chance. therefor life is a result of chance.

Evolution is not the result of chance. It is a relentless process by which life adapts and survives. There is nothing random about it. All life is subject to it.

However, I agree an individual life is the result of chance.

and something that's a result of chance, doesn't and can't have a goal.

Why not, other than you asserting it?

so, we're just a thing made up of some elements, and will live in this world for sometime, and will be consumed by this world and that's that.

True.

so, why are you trying so hard to give meaning and goal to your life?

Who is trying so hard? I don't have to try at all. Evolution has endowed us with everything we need to have purpose in our lives in terms of surviving and reproducing. Do you think an ant tries to give meaning and a goal to its life or is it all built in?

it doesn't have a goal or purpose. it's a result of chance. one thing hit another and life was created. so what philosophy you think you're gonna find for the reason behind life?

Why is such a philosophy needed? I'm content with an explanation for how life began and how it evolved over a billion years. Why is that not enough?

but if you believe that you're created by God, and you have an eternity awaiting you, then that can create a very strong goal and philosophy for your life on earth: which is to prepare yourself for your eternity and the place that you're gonna go.

If your primary goal is to go to the eternity supposedly awaiting you, then what are you waiting for? Step in front of a bus and you are there. You won't of course. Why? Because you don't really believe it and evolution produces organisms which strive to survive despite any delusional beliefs they might have acquired.

so, if you're an evolutionist and you're trying to find a philosophy for your life, I tell you that you can't. every philosophy you find for it will be incorrect.

Again why can't we find a philosophy, other than you asserting? My philosophy is to live and let live and to follow the golden rule. Why is my philosophy incorrect and who gets to decide whether a personal philosophy is right or wrong? You?
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10/11/2016 10:43:44 AM
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I think the theory of evolution makes much more sense than the silly creation myth. It is for humans to create their own goals.
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10/11/2016 10:49:24 AM
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At 10/11/2016 8:07:05 AM, lightseeker wrote:
all right.
to all dear evolutionists out there.

if you're saying that life is a result of evolution, then you should know that evolution is also a result of chance. therefor life is a result of chance.

and something that's a result of chance, doesn't and can't have a goal.
so, we're just a thing made up of some elements, and will live in this world for sometime, and will be consumed by this world and that's that.

so, why are you trying so hard to give meaning and goal to your life? it doesn't have a goal or purpose. it's a result of chance. one thing hit another and life was created. so what philosophy you think you're gonna find for the reason behind life?

but if you believe that you're created by God, and you have an eternity awaiting you, then that can create a very strong goal and philosophy for your life on earth: which is to prepare yourself for your eternity and the place that you're gonna go.

so, if you're an evolutionist and you're trying to find a philosophy for your life, I tell you that you can't. every philosophy you find for it will be incorrect.

So many lies, such a huge pile of unpardonable arrogance!

This "meaning of life" guff is just a scam by cynical clerIcs.
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10/11/2016 11:10:14 AM
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At 10/11/2016 9:52:43 AM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:41:20 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
How do you tell apart things that are created by chance, from things that were created by intent?

what is created by chance? and how you can prove it?

Ah ah.

You have been asked a question about your claims.

Answer it, there is no need to change the BoP.
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10/11/2016 11:12:04 AM
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At 10/11/2016 8:07:05 AM, lightseeker wrote:
all right.
to all dear evolutionists out there.

if you're saying that life is a result of evolution, then you should know that evolution is also a result of chance. therefor life is a result of chance.

and something that's a result of chance, doesn't and can't have a goal.
so, we're just a thing made up of some elements, and will live in this world for sometime, and will be consumed by this world and that's that.

so, why are you trying so hard to give meaning and goal to your life? it doesn't have a goal or purpose. it's a result of chance. one thing hit another and life was created. so what philosophy you think you're gonna find for the reason behind life?

but if you believe that you're created by God, and you have an eternity awaiting you, then that can create a very strong goal and philosophy for your life on earth: which is to prepare yourself for your eternity and the place that you're gonna go.

so, if you're an evolutionist and you're trying to find a philosophy for your life, I tell you that you can't. every philosophy you find for it will be incorrect.

What is your goal?
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10/11/2016 11:44:20 AM
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At 10/11/2016 8:07:05 AM, lightseeker wrote:
all right.
to all dear evolutionists out there.

if you're saying that life is a result of evolution, then you should know that evolution is also a result of chance. therefor life is a result of chance.

Your life is a result of chance. The odds of that specific spermozoa meeting up to create you was incredibly chance-oriented. What exactly does that change?

and something that's a result of chance, doesn't and can't have a goal.
so, we're just a thing made up of some elements, and will live in this world for sometime, and will be consumed by this world and that's that.

... and? What you mean to say is "your life is as of yet assigned a goal". Not that it can't have one.

so, why are you trying so hard to give meaning and goal to your life? it doesn't have a goal or purpose. it's a result of chance. one thing hit another and life was created. so what philosophy you think you're gonna find for the reason behind life?

Again, I am having trouble finding any reason as to why a reason can't be found by oneself.

but if you believe that you're created by God, and you have an eternity awaiting you, then that can create a very strong goal and philosophy for your life on earth: which is to prepare yourself for your eternity and the place that you're gonna go.

And then do what? Exist for eternity? Why? What is the reason behind that?

so, if you're an evolutionist and you're trying to find a philosophy for your life, I tell you that you can't. every philosophy you find for it will be incorrect.

Incorrect based on what, and secondly, without knowing what that philosophy is, you have no means of pre-judging it.
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10/11/2016 1:36:46 PM
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At 10/11/2016 9:52:43 AM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:41:20 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
How do you tell apart things that are created by chance, from things that were created by intent?

what is created by chance? and how you can prove it?

To know what "accident" looks like, we need to know what "intent" looks like. And vice versa. I am asking you how you tell the two apart.
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10/11/2016 3:23:58 PM
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At 10/11/2016 9:32:17 AM, Willows wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:07:05 AM, lightseeker wrote:
all right.
to all dear evolutionists out there.

if you're saying that life is a result of evolution, then you should know that evolution is also a result of chance. therefor life is a result of chance.

and something that's a result of chance, doesn't and can't have a goal.
so, we're just a thing made up of some elements, and will live in this world for sometime, and will be consumed by this world and that's that.

so, why are you trying so hard to give meaning and goal to your life? it doesn't have a goal or purpose. it's a result of chance. one thing hit another and life was created. so what philosophy you think you're gonna find for the reason behind life?

There simply is no reason behind life, in three words, "deal with it".

but if you believe that you're created by God, and you have an eternity awaiting you, then that can create a very strong goal and philosophy for your life on earth: which is to prepare yourself for your eternity and the place that you're gonna go.

so, if you're an evolutionist and you're trying to find a philosophy for your life, I tell you that you can't.

Everything you said made sense up to here..........
every philosophy you find for it will be incorrect.

We create our own meaning for life and any philosophy whether it be, live life to the full or raise a family....that can't be incorrect but it can be appropriate.

Religions seem to think that they have a copyright on the term "meaning of life". They don't.

that's jusyt a meaning you're trying to give your life. it's not the meaning or philosophy behind life. life is meaningless if chance has caused it. it's just another thing in this world that exists without having any meaning. a creation of chance. and therefor a meaningless thing.
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10/11/2016 3:47:19 PM
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At 10/11/2016 9:53:55 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:07:05 AM, lightseeker wrote:
all right.
to all dear evolutionists out there.

if you're saying that life is a result of evolution, then you should know that evolution is also a result of chance. therefor life is a result of chance.

Evolution is not the result of chance. It is a relentless process by which life adapts and survives. There is nothing random about it. All life is subject to it.
actually evolution is a result of chance. because as you (prob) know, according to evolutionists, evolution only happens when new versions of a specie that are compatible with environment live on, and the incompatible ones die. so, that thing that cause both compatible and incompatible ones to exist in the first place, was random changes in the genome that happened at birth. so, randomness = chance

However, I agree an individual life is the result of chance.

and something that's a result of chance, doesn't and can't have a goal.

Why not, other than you asserting it?
how can it have a meaning or goal? it's just a creation of chance. in other words, it exists only because of some unpredictable and chaotic incident. so, it has no goal in the system. and being a result of chance, means that it could very well not exist today. also an UN-itelligent system can't create intelligent and goal oriented species.

so, we're just a thing made up of some elements, and will live in this world for sometime, and will be consumed by this world and that's that.

True.

so, why are you trying so hard to give meaning and goal to your life?

Who is trying so hard? I don't have to try at all. Evolution has endowed us with everything we need to have purpose in our lives in terms of surviving and reproducing. Do you think an ant tries to give meaning and a goal to its life or is it all built in?
surviving and reproducing is the ultimate goal of mankind?

it doesn't have a goal or purpose. it's a result of chance. one thing hit another and life was created. so what philosophy you think you're gonna find for the reason behind life?
Why is such a philosophy needed? I'm content with an explanation for how life began and how it evolved over a billion years. Why is that not enough?
how can it be enough. "why are we here, and what's the reason behind our life" is a question that almost all humans are more or less have. those who drown themselves in pleasure are simply avoiding these questions, but even they know that pleasure or simply living on, is not a goal or meaning that would satisfy them. don't you know that a lot of famous actors and actresses who had no material need in their lives, have killed themselves simply because they couldn't find a meaning for their life that would satisfy them?

but if you believe that you're created by God, and you have an eternity awaiting you, then that can create a very strong goal and philosophy for your life on earth: which is to prepare yourself for your eternity and the place that you're gonna go.

If your primary goal is to go to the eternity supposedly awaiting you, then what are you waiting for? Step in front of a bus and you are there. You won't of course. Why? Because you don't really believe it and evolution produces organisms which strive to survive despite any delusional beliefs they might have acquired.
you can't take what's not yours. and eternity is created by our deeds in life. our life was given to us by God; we're not the real owners of it.

so, if you're an evolutionist and you're trying to find a philosophy for your life, I tell you that you can't. every philosophy you find for it will be incorrect.

Again why can't we find a philosophy, other than you asserting? My philosophy is to live and let live and to follow the golden rule. Why is my philosophy incorrect and who gets to decide whether a personal philosophy is right or wrong? You?

finding a philosophy for something that just happened because of chance? think a lil bit. a random result of chance, can't have a philosophy .
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10/11/2016 3:49:43 PM
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At 10/11/2016 10:38:12 AM, bulproof wrote:
What is your goal?

the goal of true believers, is to become more and more like God, and to prepare themselves more and more for their afterlife.

did you know that everyone will go to heaven right after they die?
but if you're not prepared for that environment, those intense realities and pleasures will become like fire for you and will burn you.
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10/11/2016 3:52:35 PM
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At 10/11/2016 10:43:44 AM, tarantula wrote:
I think the theory of evolution makes much more sense than the silly creation myth. It is for humans to create their own goals

think more.
the goal or philosophy behind life, and the goals that humans are making or choosing for themselves are two different things.

and humans have shown that if they don't believe in the afterlife and divine presence, can sacrifice others for their goals and will do so if they see power is in their way.
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10/11/2016 3:54:16 PM
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At 10/11/2016 11:10:14 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:52:43 AM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:41:20 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
How do you tell apart things that are created by chance, from things that were created by intent?

what is created by chance? and how you can prove it?

Ah ah.

You have been asked a question about your claims.

Answer it, there is no need to change the BoP.

to answer that I really need to know his definition about the things that are created by chance.

I see no such thing in this world. everything follows specific rules and nothing happens by chance.
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10/11/2016 3:55:06 PM
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At 10/11/2016 3:23:58 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:32:17 AM, Willows wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:07:05 AM, lightseeker wrote:
all right.
to all dear evolutionists out there.

if you're saying that life is a result of evolution, then you should know that evolution is also a result of chance. therefor life is a result of chance.

and something that's a result of chance, doesn't and can't have a goal.
so, we're just a thing made up of some elements, and will live in this world for sometime, and will be consumed by this world and that's that.

so, why are you trying so hard to give meaning and goal to your life? it doesn't have a goal or purpose. it's a result of chance. one thing hit another and life was created. so what philosophy you think you're gonna find for the reason behind life?

There simply is no reason behind life, in three words, "deal with it".

but if you believe that you're created by God, and you have an eternity awaiting you, then that can create a very strong goal and philosophy for your life on earth: which is to prepare yourself for your eternity and the place that you're gonna go.

so, if you're an evolutionist and you're trying to find a philosophy for your life, I tell you that you can't.

Everything you said made sense up to here..........
every philosophy you find for it will be incorrect.

We create our own meaning for life and any philosophy whether it be, live life to the full or raise a family....that can't be incorrect but it can be appropriate.

Religions seem to think that they have a copyright on the term "meaning of life". They don't.

that's jusyt a meaning you're trying to give your life. it's not the meaning or philosophy behind life. life is meaningless if chance has caused it. it's just another thing in this world that exists without having any meaning. a creation of chance. and therefor a meaningless thing.

Please demonstrate that 'life" is something to which the term "meaning" can be applied. I suspect that the phrase "'meaning of life" is just so much word salad whose chief use is to con the gullible.
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10/11/2016 4:00:02 PM
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At 10/11/2016 3:23:58 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:32:17 AM, Willows wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:07:05 AM, lightseeker wrote:
all right.
to all dear evolutionists out there.

if you're saying that life is a result of evolution, then you should know that evolution is also a result of chance. therefor life is a result of chance.

and something that's a result of chance, doesn't and can't have a goal.
so, we're just a thing made up of some elements, and will live in this world for sometime, and will be consumed by this world and that's that.

so, why are you trying so hard to give meaning and goal to your life? it doesn't have a goal or purpose. it's a result of chance. one thing hit another and life was created. so what philosophy you think you're gonna find for the reason behind life?

There simply is no reason behind life, in three words, "deal with it".

but if you believe that you're created by God, and you have an eternity awaiting you, then that can create a very strong goal and philosophy for your life on earth: which is to prepare yourself for your eternity and the place that you're gonna go.

so, if you're an evolutionist and you're trying to find a philosophy for your life, I tell you that you can't.

Everything you said made sense up to here..........
every philosophy you find for it will be incorrect.

We create our own meaning for life and any philosophy whether it be, live life to the full or raise a family....that can't be incorrect but it can be appropriate.

Religions seem to think that they have a copyright on the term "meaning of life". They don't.

that's jusyt a meaning you're trying to give your life. it's not the meaning or philosophy behind life. life is meaningless if chance has caused it. it's just another thing in this world that exists without having any meaning. a creation of chance. and therefor a meaningless thing.

So. you don't really care that others have tried to explain to you that evolution is not chance? You'll just keep repeating that fallacy of ignorance?
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10/11/2016 4:03:53 PM
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At 10/11/2016 8:07:05 AM, lightseeker wrote:
all right.
to all dear evolutionists out there.

if you're saying that life is a result of evolution, then you should know that evolution is also a result of chance. therefor life is a result of chance.

Actually, it's not. Chance is a factor, but it is not the only factor. Evolution, as a process, adheres to a whole set of limitations that have been built into the nature of existence, and that determines what is possible and what is not. We do not exist as we do because of chance. We have been designed and manifested through an elaborate and complex process that we call "evolution" and that does include the element of chance, but certainly is not based on chance, alone.

and something that's a result of chance, doesn't and can't have a goal.
so, we're just a thing made up of some elements, and will live in this world for sometime, and will be consumed by this world and that's that.

Well, that in itself (to exist) could be considered a goal. But most of us do prefer to find more purpose in our existence, then that.

so, why are you trying so hard to give meaning and goal to your life? it doesn't have a goal or purpose. it's a result of chance. one thing hit another and life was created. so what philosophy you think you're gonna find for the reason behind life?

but if you believe that you're created by God, and you have an eternity awaiting you, then that can create a very strong goal and philosophy for your life on earth: which is to prepare yourself for your eternity and the place that you're gonna go.

Not everyone wants to exist, forever. I don't. I'm OK with ceasing to exist at some point. And allowing my matter and energy to be dispersed and reused in some other manner.

so, if you're an evolutionist and you're trying to find a philosophy for your life, I tell you that you can't. every philosophy you find for it will be incorrect.

Well, that's just silly. "Incorrect" according to whom? You? Who appointed you the correctness judge?
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10/11/2016 4:09:04 PM
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At 10/11/2016 3:54:16 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/11/2016 11:10:14 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:52:43 AM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:41:20 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
How do you tell apart things that are created by chance, from things that were created by intent?

what is created by chance? and how you can prove it?

Ah ah.

You have been asked a question about your claims.

Answer it, there is no need to change the BoP.

to answer that I really need to know his definition about the things that are created by chance.

You should probably his definition is the same as yours, considering he is responding to your OP.

I see no such thing in this world. everything follows specific rules and nothing happens by chance.

So, to you, evolution is solely a random chance event, and could never have specifics rules or factors influencing its course?
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10/11/2016 4:22:24 PM
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At 10/11/2016 8:07:05 AM, lightseeker wrote:

Two things:

1. Evolution is not chance. Natural selection brings order out of chaos and life as we know didn't come about by pure randomness.
2. Conscious life is not completely at the mercy of its environment. Conscious beings can, and do, create their own goals and purposes.
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10/11/2016 4:42:49 PM
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At 10/11/2016 3:54:16 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/11/2016 11:10:14 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:52:43 AM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:41:20 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
How do you tell apart things that are created by chance, from things that were created by intent?

what is created by chance? and how you can prove it?

Ah ah.

You have been asked a question about your claims.

Answer it, there is no need to change the BoP.

to answer that I really need to know his definition about the things that are created by chance.

I see no such thing in this world. everything follows specific rules and nothing happens by chance.

If nothing happens by chance, then God didn't create atheists by chance. What goal or purpose was in mind when God created atheists?
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10/11/2016 5:01:26 PM
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At 10/11/2016 8:07:05 AM, lightseeker wrote:
all right.
to all dear evolutionists out there.

if you're saying that life is a result of evolution, then you should know that evolution is also a result of chance. therefor life is a result of chance.

and something that's a result of chance, doesn't and can't have a goal.
so, we're just a thing made up of some elements, and will live in this world for sometime, and will be consumed by this world and that's that.

so, why are you trying so hard to give meaning and goal to your life? it doesn't have a goal or purpose. it's a result of chance. one thing hit another and life was created. so what philosophy you think you're gonna find for the reason behind life?

but if you believe that you're created by God, and you have an eternity awaiting you, then that can create a very strong goal and philosophy for your life on earth: which is to prepare yourself for your eternity and the place that you're gonna go.

so, if you're an evolutionist and you're trying to find a philosophy for your life, I tell you that you can't. every philosophy you find for it will be incorrect.

An eternity with the Biblical version of god would be worse than hell!
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10/11/2016 5:13:44 PM
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At 10/11/2016 5:01:26 PM, tarantula wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:07:05 AM, lightseeker wrote:
all right.
to all dear evolutionists out there.

if you're saying that life is a result of evolution, then you should know that evolution is also a result of chance. therefor life is a result of chance.

and something that's a result of chance, doesn't and can't have a goal.
so, we're just a thing made up of some elements, and will live in this world for sometime, and will be consumed by this world and that's that.

so, why are you trying so hard to give meaning and goal to your life? it doesn't have a goal or purpose. it's a result of chance. one thing hit another and life was created. so what philosophy you think you're gonna find for the reason behind life?

but if you believe that you're created by God, and you have an eternity awaiting you, then that can create a very strong goal and philosophy for your life on earth: which is to prepare yourself for your eternity and the place that you're gonna go.

so, if you're an evolutionist and you're trying to find a philosophy for your life, I tell you that you can't. every philosophy you find for it will be incorrect.

An eternity with the Biblical version of god would be worse than hell!

what is the Biblical version of God?
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10/11/2016 5:14:43 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/11/2016 4:42:49 PM, janesix wrote:
At 10/11/2016 3:54:16 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/11/2016 11:10:14 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:52:43 AM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:41:20 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
How do you tell apart things that are created by chance, from things that were created by intent?

what is created by chance? and how you can prove it?

Ah ah.

You have been asked a question about your claims.

Answer it, there is no need to change the BoP.

to answer that I really need to know his definition about the things that are created by chance.

I see no such thing in this world. everything follows specific rules and nothing happens by chance.

If nothing happens by chance, then God didn't create atheists by chance. What goal or purpose was in mind when God created atheists?

God created people. and gave them choice. and made them responsible for their actions.
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10/11/2016 5:18:40 PM
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At 10/11/2016 4:22:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:07:05 AM, lightseeker wrote:

Two things:

1. Evolution is not chance. Natural selection brings order out of chaos and life as we know didn't come about by pure randomness.

evolution is based on abiogenesis which is based on chance according to evolutionists.
also according to evolutionists, evolution itself happens when different version of the same species are created out of chance, and then the ones that are incompatible with the environment die. so it's based on chance in it's creation and it's continuation.

2. Conscious life is not completely at the mercy of its environment. Conscious beings can, and do, create their own goals and purposes.

so, you're denying evolution itself?
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10/11/2016 5:20:43 PM
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At 10/11/2016 4:09:04 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 10/11/2016 3:54:16 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/11/2016 11:10:14 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:52:43 AM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:41:20 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
How do you tell apart things that are created by chance, from things that were created by intent?

what is created by chance? and how you can prove it?

Ah ah.

You have been asked a question about your claims.

Answer it, there is no need to change the BoP.

to answer that I really need to know his definition about the things that are created by chance.

You should probably his definition is the same as yours, considering he is responding to your OP.

I see no such thing in this world. everything follows specific rules and nothing happens by chance.

So, to you, evolution is solely a random chance event, and could never have specifics rules or factors influencing its course?

evolution is based on abiogenesis. so it's based on chance.
continues by chance.
factors that might affect it are the rules of the world.
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10/11/2016 5:30:46 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/11/2016 5:20:43 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/11/2016 4:09:04 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 10/11/2016 3:54:16 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/11/2016 11:10:14 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:52:43 AM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:41:20 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
How do you tell apart things that are created by chance, from things that were created by intent?

what is created by chance? and how you can prove it?

Ah ah.

You have been asked a question about your claims.

Answer it, there is no need to change the BoP.

to answer that I really need to know his definition about the things that are created by chance.

You should probably his definition is the same as yours, considering he is responding to your OP.

I see no such thing in this world. everything follows specific rules and nothing happens by chance.

So, to you, evolution is solely a random chance event, and could never have specifics rules or factors influencing its course?

evolution is based on abiogenesis. so it's based on chance.

Evolution is not based on abiogenesis. Abiogenesis is a potential explanation for the origin of life, not its diversity. Secondly, abiogenesis would follow the same rules as chemistry does now, there wouldn't be anything "random" about it were we to follow your " everything follows specific rules " statement, the process for abiogenesis was just follow its rules.

continues by chance.
factors that might affect it are the rules of the world.

Okay, so evolution is not by chance, as the "rules of the world" have its influence.
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10/11/2016 5:35:01 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/11/2016 4:03:53 PM, PureX wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:07:05 AM, lightseeker wrote:
all right.
to all dear evolutionists out there.

if you're saying that life is a result of evolution, then you should know that evolution is also a result of chance. therefor life is a result of chance.

Actually, it's not. Chance is a factor, but it is not the only factor. Evolution, as a process, adheres to a whole set of limitations that have been built into the nature of existence, and that determines what is possible and what is not. We do not exist as we do because of chance. We have been designed and manifested through an elaborate and complex process that we call "evolution" and that does include the element of chance, but certainly is not based on chance, alone.

so you accept that it's based on chance, and then it continues based on some rules?
well, it's based on chance (abiogenesis), and continues by chance (not the natural selection itself, but the creation of different versions of the same specie that can be more compatible/or less compatible with the environment). so how can such a thing have a goal. you can go ahead and give it a goal. it's just that it's not the goal of life. it's just your imagination.

and something that's a result of chance, doesn't and can't have a goal.
so, we're just a thing made up of some elements, and will live in this world for sometime, and will be consumed by this world and that's that.

Well, that in itself (to exist) could be considered a goal. But most of us do prefer to find more purpose in our existence, then that.

so, why are you trying so hard to give meaning and goal to your life? it doesn't have a goal or purpose. it's a result of chance. one thing hit another and life was created. so what philosophy you think you're gonna find for the reason behind life?

but if you believe that you're created by God, and you have an eternity awaiting you, then that can create a very strong goal and philosophy for your life on earth: which is to prepare yourself for your eternity and the place that you're gonna go.

Not everyone wants to exist, forever. I don't. I'm OK with ceasing to exist at some point. And allowing my matter and energy to be dispersed and reused in some other manner.
where will your humanity and experience and power go? your thoughts? the part of you that's grown from wanting a toy, to a person who have deep and meaningful thoughts? where will these go? just vanish? then it's pointless to live and go through all this hardship.

so, if you're an evolutionist and you're trying to find a philosophy for your life, I tell you that you can't. every philosophy you find for it will be incorrect.

Well, that's just silly. "Incorrect" according to whom? You? Who appointed you the correctness judge?
according to logic. as I said, life is a creation of chance to you, if you're an evolutionist. therefor meaningless.