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10/11/2016 9:20:22 PM
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At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??

It means God came as a Jew to save the world. But picked a very bad time to come as a Jew because the Jewish homeland was under Roman occupation. The Jews were expecting a messiah to come to deliver them from the oppressive Roman occupation. But when Jesus showed up without any powers and claimed to be the Jewish Messiah. The Romans laughed, mocked, beat and crucified the Jewish Messiah Jesus. Thus putting an end to any Jewish ambition of overthrowing Roman rule.
God saw the folly of his premature visit as Jesus and vowed he would return with greater powers. But technology and modernization of the human race has delayed his return. His messiah complex is now a treatable mental illness which is giving him second thoughts about pulling another failed stunt.
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10/11/2016 9:31:31 PM
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At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??

I've found the verse to be about the human soul for which the story of Jesus is symbolism. The soul is the infinite eternal part of us that is God, heaven and unconditional timeless salvation in itself. We've been missing the moral to the story because of misunderstanding and literal interpretation. God gave us the soul so that we may know we are one with Him. It is here for our benefit.
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10/11/2016 9:40:21 PM
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At 10/11/2016 9:20:22 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??

It means God came as a Jew to save the world. But picked a very bad time to come as a Jew because the Jewish homeland was under Roman occupation. The Jews were expecting a messiah to come to deliver them from the oppressive Roman occupation. But when Jesus showed up without any powers and claimed to be the Jewish Messiah. The Romans laughed, mocked, beat and crucified the Jewish Messiah Jesus. Thus putting an end to any Jewish ambition of overthrowing Roman rule.
God saw the folly of his premature visit as Jesus and vowed he would return with greater powers. But technology and modernization of the human race has delayed his return. His messiah complex is now a treatable mental illness which is giving him second thoughts about pulling another failed stunt.

Jesus came and did exactly what he was meant to do, he took away the curtain, he made a way for us to be saved and no God directly....

Jesus will return when God decrees it, nothing we can do could stop God's timing...
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10/11/2016 9:42:43 PM
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At 10/11/2016 9:31:31 PM, PrizeBeatz1 wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??

I've found the verse to be about the human soul for which the story of Jesus is symbolism. The soul is the infinite eternal part of us that is God, heaven and unconditional timeless salvation in itself. We've been missing the moral to the story because of misunderstanding and literal interpretation. God gave us the soul so that we may know we are one with Him. It is here for our benefit.

yeah I don't get this symbolism thing you keep saying, it clearly says Jesus was born of a virgin, he was born as flesh, from a mother who was flesh...

I don't see how that can be taken symbolically, as you claim...
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10/11/2016 9:46:43 PM
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At 10/11/2016 9:40:21 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:20:22 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??

It means God came as a Jew to save the world. But picked a very bad time to come as a Jew because the Jewish homeland was under Roman occupation. The Jews were expecting a messiah to come to deliver them from the oppressive Roman occupation. But when Jesus showed up without any powers and claimed to be the Jewish Messiah. The Romans laughed, mocked, beat and crucified the Jewish Messiah Jesus. Thus putting an end to any Jewish ambition of overthrowing Roman rule.
God saw the folly of his premature visit as Jesus and vowed he would return with greater powers. But technology and modernization of the human race has delayed his return. His messiah complex is now a treatable mental illness which is giving him second thoughts about pulling another failed stunt.

Jesus came and did exactly what he was meant to do, he took away the curtain, he made a way for us to be saved and no God directly....

Jesus will return when God decrees it, nothing we can do could stop God's timing...

The scriptures say Jesus came to fulfill the prophesies. But he did not fulfill the prophesies. The Jews who know their scriptures better don't believe Jesus fulfilled their scriptures. This is why they rejected him. The Romans ended the debate by crucifying Jesus. So Jesus was not a messiah of anything, but a dead Jewish corpse nailed to a wooden cross.
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10/11/2016 10:14:09 PM
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At 10/11/2016 9:46:43 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:40:21 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:20:22 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??

It means God came as a Jew to save the world. But picked a very bad time to come as a Jew because the Jewish homeland was under Roman occupation. The Jews were expecting a messiah to come to deliver them from the oppressive Roman occupation. But when Jesus showed up without any powers and claimed to be the Jewish Messiah. The Romans laughed, mocked, beat and crucified the Jewish Messiah Jesus. Thus putting an end to any Jewish ambition of overthrowing Roman rule.
God saw the folly of his premature visit as Jesus and vowed he would return with greater powers. But technology and modernization of the human race has delayed his return. His messiah complex is now a treatable mental illness which is giving him second thoughts about pulling another failed stunt.

Jesus came and did exactly what he was meant to do, he took away the curtain, he made a way for us to be saved and no God directly....

Jesus will return when God decrees it, nothing we can do could stop God's timing...

The scriptures say Jesus came to fulfill the prophesies. But he did not fulfill the prophesies. The Jews who know their scriptures better don't believe Jesus fulfilled their scriptures. This is why they rejected him. The Romans ended the debate by crucifying Jesus. So Jesus was not a messiah of anything, but a dead Jewish corpse nailed to a wooden cross.

what prophecies did he not fulfill??
they rejected him because some liked the positions they held and he spoke against them, some zealots thought he was coming as a mighty warrior to fight against the Romans, just because they did not see him for who he was is their error...
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10/11/2016 10:20:15 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/11/2016 9:40:21 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:20:22 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??

It means God came as a Jew to save the world. But picked a very bad time to come as a Jew because the Jewish homeland was under Roman occupation. The Jews were expecting a messiah to come to deliver them from the oppressive Roman occupation. But when Jesus showed up without any powers and claimed to be the Jewish Messiah. The Romans laughed, mocked, beat and crucified the Jewish Messiah Jesus. Thus putting an end to any Jewish ambition of overthrowing Roman rule.
God saw the folly of his premature visit as Jesus and vowed he would return with greater powers. But technology and modernization of the human race has delayed his return. His messiah complex is now a treatable mental illness which is giving him second thoughts about pulling another failed stunt.

Jesus came and did exactly what he was meant to do, he took away the curtain, he made a way for us to be saved and no God directly....

Actually Jesus made it necessary for Christians to draw the curtain to cover up the shameful failure of God, his son Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

The Pope called it a failure of the CROSS.

"THE CROSS SHOWS US A DIFFERENT WAY OF MEASURING SUCCESS. OURS IS TO PLANT THE SEEDS. GOD SEES TO THE FRUITS OF OUR LABORS. AND IF AT TIMES OUR EFFORTS AND WORKS SEEM TO FAIL AND NOT PRODUCE FRUIT, WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT WE ARE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS CHRIST AND HIS LIFE, HUMANLY SPEAKING, ENDED IN FAILURE, THE FAILURE OF THE CROSS."
Jesus will return when God decrees it, nothing we can do could stop God's timing...
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10/11/2016 10:28:08 PM
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At 10/11/2016 10:14:09 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:46:43 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:40:21 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:20:22 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??

It means God came as a Jew to save the world. But picked a very bad time to come as a Jew because the Jewish homeland was under Roman occupation. The Jews were expecting a messiah to come to deliver them from the oppressive Roman occupation. But when Jesus showed up without any powers and claimed to be the Jewish Messiah. The Romans laughed, mocked, beat and crucified the Jewish Messiah Jesus. Thus putting an end to any Jewish ambition of overthrowing Roman rule.
God saw the folly of his premature visit as Jesus and vowed he would return with greater powers. But technology and modernization of the human race has delayed his return. His messiah complex is now a treatable mental illness which is giving him second thoughts about pulling another failed stunt.

Jesus came and did exactly what he was meant to do, he took away the curtain, he made a way for us to be saved and no God directly....

Jesus will return when God decrees it, nothing we can do could stop God's timing...

The scriptures say Jesus came to fulfill the prophesies. But he did not fulfill the prophesies. The Jews who know their scriptures better don't believe Jesus fulfilled their scriptures. This is why they rejected him. The Romans ended the debate by crucifying Jesus. So Jesus was not a messiah of anything, but a dead Jewish corpse nailed to a wooden cross.

what prophecies did he not fulfill??
they rejected him because some liked the positions they held and he spoke against them, some zealots thought he was coming as a mighty warrior to fight against the Romans, just because they did not see him for who he was is their error...

Here is why the Jews rejected jesus as their messiah.

What exactly is the Messiah?

The word "Messiah" is an English rendering of the Hebrew word "Mashiach", which means "Anointed." It usually refers to a person initiated into God"s service by being anointed with oil. (Exodus 29:7, I Kings 1:39, II Kings 9:3)

Since every King and High Priest was anointed with oil, each may be referred to as "an anointed one" (a Mashiach or a Messiah). For example: "God forbid that I [David] should stretch out my hand against the Lord"s Messiah [Saul]..." (I Samuel 26:11. Cf. II Samuel 23:1, Isaiah 45:1, Psalms 20:6)

Where does the Jewish concept of Messiah come from? One of the central themes of Biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Isaiah 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34)

Many of these prophetic passages speak of a descendant of King David who will rule Israel during the age of perfection. (Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5)

Since every King is a Messiah, by convention, we refer to this future anointed king as The Messiah. The above is the only description in the Bible of a Davidic descendant who is to come in the future. We will recognize the Messiah by seeing who the King of Israel is at the time of complete universal perfection.

1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES
(back)

What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:

A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world"on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.
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10/11/2016 10:51:51 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??

It means God is a psychotic a$$hole.
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10/12/2016 12:02:14 AM
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At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??

Two questions? How did his son give us eternal life? Why is believing a requirement for this?
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10/12/2016 2:19:28 AM
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At 10/11/2016 9:42:43 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:31:31 PM, PrizeBeatz1 wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??

I've found the verse to be about the human soul for which the story of Jesus is symbolism. The soul is the infinite eternal part of us that is God, heaven and unconditional timeless salvation in itself. We've been missing the moral to the story because of misunderstanding and literal interpretation. God gave us the soul so that we may know we are one with Him. It is here for our benefit.

yeah I don't get this symbolism thing you keep saying, it clearly says Jesus was born of a virgin, he was born as flesh, from a mother who was flesh...

I don't see how that can be taken symbolically, as you claim...

The purity of the qualities of the soul are of another order. Not even the tiniest fraction or particle of dust of fear can exist in its presence. The healing of unconscious lack of self-worth and rekindling the innocent part of ourselves we left behind in childhood as a personal resurrection, the rejection and burial as it is left out of the Trinity, treated with contempt, judged as sinful, trampled and spit upon yet it is the cornerstone the builders rejected, yet it still lives. It is the source of unconditional self-worth. It is infinite and eternal. God is infinite and eternal. He who has seen me has seen the Father. No one comes to the Father except through me. Do we suppose these are just coincidences?
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10/12/2016 4:15:52 AM
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At 10/12/2016 2:19:28 AM, PrizeBeatz1 wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:42:43 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:31:31 PM, PrizeBeatz1 wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??

I've found the verse to be about the human soul for which the story of Jesus is symbolism. The soul is the infinite eternal part of us that is God, heaven and unconditional timeless salvation in itself. We've been missing the moral to the story because of misunderstanding and literal interpretation. God gave us the soul so that we may know we are one with Him. It is here for our benefit.

yeah I don't get this symbolism thing you keep saying, it clearly says Jesus was born of a virgin, he was born as flesh, from a mother who was flesh...

I don't see how that can be taken symbolically, as you claim...

The purity of the qualities of the soul are of another order. Not even the tiniest fraction or particle of dust of fear can exist in its presence. The healing of unconscious lack of self-worth and rekindling the innocent part of ourselves we left behind in childhood as a personal resurrection, the rejection and burial as it is left out of the Trinity, treated with contempt, judged as sinful, trampled and spit upon yet it is the cornerstone the builders rejected, yet it still lives. It is the source of unconditional self-worth. It is infinite and eternal. God is infinite and eternal. He who has seen me has seen the Father. No one comes to the Father except through me. Do we suppose these are just coincidences?

The bible had no concept of mental illness.

Christians are led to believe all their problems stem from sin, spiritual weakness and demonic influences. There is little change in their attitudes towards the medical science that defines mental illness as physiological with little or no relationship to ones belief systems. The clergy still look to scriptures to deal with mental illness and its spiritual causes. They are not convinced there is medical evidence for the cause of mental illness. It is this denial and ignorance that leaves mentally ill Christians helpless to deal with their illness and are further burdened with archaic remedies that have no scientific basis.

Modern psychiatry diagnosed a few of the early biblical characters to uncover the cause for their extreme beliefs and world views riddled with a fantasma of delusions and self deception.

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10/12/2016 6:32:38 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??
Absolutely awesome!

Granted there are some differences of opinion of it's meaning, it's really very straight to the point. One could almost say, free of doctrinal division. And I believe a catalyst, the spark that has ignited many into become a child of God.

It gives God's sentiment of the world, so there's no question as to the why God gave His only begotten Son, and what each individual part of mankind must do to become saved......a child of God. Whether one has to wrestle with it for years, or get knocked off their mule and become a believer in a few moments, it's all the same.

Great thread!
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10/12/2016 7:10:20 AM
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At 10/11/2016 10:20:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:40:21 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:20:22 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??

It means God came as a Jew to save the world. But picked a very bad time to come as a Jew because the Jewish homeland was under Roman occupation. The Jews were expecting a messiah to come to deliver them from the oppressive Roman occupation. But when Jesus showed up without any powers and claimed to be the Jewish Messiah. The Romans laughed, mocked, beat and crucified the Jewish Messiah Jesus. Thus putting an end to any Jewish ambition of overthrowing Roman rule.
God saw the folly of his premature visit as Jesus and vowed he would return with greater powers. But technology and modernization of the human race has delayed his return. His messiah complex is now a treatable mental illness which is giving him second thoughts about pulling another failed stunt.

Jesus came and did exactly what he was meant to do, he took away the curtain, he made a way for us to be saved and no God directly....

Actually Jesus made it necessary for Christians to draw the curtain to cover up the shameful failure of God, his son Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

The Pope called it a failure of the CROSS.

"THE CROSS SHOWS US A DIFFERENT WAY OF MEASURING SUCCESS. OURS IS TO PLANT THE SEEDS. GOD SEES TO THE FRUITS OF OUR LABORS. AND IF AT TIMES OUR EFFORTS AND WORKS SEEM TO FAIL AND NOT PRODUCE FRUIT, WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT WE ARE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS CHRIST AND HIS LIFE, HUMANLY SPEAKING, ENDED IN FAILURE, THE FAILURE OF THE CROSS."
Jesus will return when God decrees it, nothing we can do could stop God's timing...

what absolute rubbish, Jesus made a way for us to be saved, by his sacrifice, sacrifice has been God's way from the very beginning but this sacrifice was once and for all. no more blood of bulls or goats needed, believers inherit his righteousness before God...
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10/12/2016 7:12:16 AM
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I think its just about the most succinct statement of the Christian religion there could be.
I just don't happen to think it's true!
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10/12/2016 7:17:20 AM
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At 10/11/2016 10:28:08 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/11/2016 10:14:09 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:46:43 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:40:21 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:20:22 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??

It means God came as a Jew to save the world. But picked a very bad time to come as a Jew because the Jewish homeland was under Roman occupation. The Jews were expecting a messiah to come to deliver them from the oppressive Roman occupation. But when Jesus showed up without any powers and claimed to be the Jewish Messiah. The Romans laughed, mocked, beat and crucified the Jewish Messiah Jesus. Thus putting an end to any Jewish ambition of overthrowing Roman rule.
God saw the folly of his premature visit as Jesus and vowed he would return with greater powers. But technology and modernization of the human race has delayed his return. His messiah complex is now a treatable mental illness which is giving him second thoughts about pulling another failed stunt.

Jesus came and did exactly what he was meant to do, he took away the curtain, he made a way for us to be saved and no God directly....

Jesus will return when God decrees it, nothing we can do could stop God's timing...

The scriptures say Jesus came to fulfill the prophesies. But he did not fulfill the prophesies. The Jews who know their scriptures better don't believe Jesus fulfilled their scriptures. This is why they rejected him. The Romans ended the debate by crucifying Jesus. So Jesus was not a messiah of anything, but a dead Jewish corpse nailed to a wooden cross.

what prophecies did he not fulfill??
they rejected him because some liked the positions they held and he spoke against them, some zealots thought he was coming as a mighty warrior to fight against the Romans, just because they did not see him for who he was is their error...

Here is why the Jews rejected jesus as their messiah.

What exactly is the Messiah?


The word "Messiah" is an English rendering of the Hebrew word "Mashiach", which means "Anointed." It usually refers to a person initiated into God"s service by being anointed with oil. (Exodus 29:7, I Kings 1:39, II Kings 9:3)
he was anointed with the Holy Spirit, a higher calling...
Since every King and High Priest was anointed with oil, each may be referred to as "an anointed one" (a Mashiach or a Messiah). For example: "God forbid that I [David] should stretch out my hand against the Lord"s Messiah [Saul]..." (I Samuel 26:11. Cf. II Samuel 23:1, Isaiah 45:1, Psalms 20:6)
anointed with the Holy spirit...
Where does the Jewish concept of Messiah come from? One of the central themes of Biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Isaiah 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34)
he has brought perfection, everyone in him is made perfect...
Many of these prophetic passages speak of a descendant of King David who will rule Israel during the age of perfection. (Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5)
have you read the genealogies, and his eventual complete reign..
Since every King is a Messiah, by convention, we refer to this future anointed king as The Messiah. The above is the only description in the Bible of a Davidic descendant who is to come in the future. We will recognize the Messiah by seeing who the King of Israel is at the time of complete universal perfection.
he is a king, king of kings, lord of lords//
1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES
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What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:

A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
je rebuilt the temple in the third day when he arose....
B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
he has gathered all the Jews back to the father, all those who will come...
C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
which he will in the end...
D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world"on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
which nation has not heard of God, the end will come when every knee shall bow...
The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.
yes he did, just not how people thought he would...
Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.

the second coming is spoken about, the end times are spoken about....
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10/12/2016 7:17:26 AM
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At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??
That your god is a disgusting cretin who wouldn't know love if it was shoved up his arse.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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10/12/2016 7:18:37 AM
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At 10/11/2016 10:51:51 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??

It means God is a psychotic a$$hole.

so remind me, who starts the childish name calling...???
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10/12/2016 7:20:45 AM
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At 10/12/2016 12:02:14 AM, distraff wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??

Two questions? How did his son give us eternal life? Why is believing a requirement for this?
his son gave us eternal life by fulfilling the laws that were given, the standard God expects for us to be saved, you have to believe on him, to accept what he did for you, it acknowledges you know he paid the price for you...
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10/12/2016 7:22:19 AM
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At 10/12/2016 2:19:28 AM, PrizeBeatz1 wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:42:43 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/11/2016 9:31:31 PM, PrizeBeatz1 wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??

I've found the verse to be about the human soul for which the story of Jesus is symbolism. The soul is the infinite eternal part of us that is God, heaven and unconditional timeless salvation in itself. We've been missing the moral to the story because of misunderstanding and literal interpretation. God gave us the soul so that we may know we are one with Him. It is here for our benefit.

yeah I don't get this symbolism thing you keep saying, it clearly says Jesus was born of a virgin, he was born as flesh, from a mother who was flesh...

I don't see how that can be taken symbolically, as you claim...

The purity of the qualities of the soul are of another order. Not even the tiniest fraction or particle of dust of fear can exist in its presence. The healing of unconscious lack of self-worth and rekindling the innocent part of ourselves we left behind in childhood as a personal resurrection, the rejection and burial as it is left out of the Trinity, treated with contempt, judged as sinful, trampled and spit upon yet it is the cornerstone the builders rejected, yet it still lives. It is the source of unconditional self-worth. It is infinite and eternal. God is infinite and eternal. He who has seen me has seen the Father. No one comes to the Father except through me. Do we suppose these are just coincidences?

sorry but that makes no sense at all to me, the symbolism does not work at all...
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10/12/2016 7:24:41 AM
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At 10/12/2016 6:32:38 AM, RoderickSpode wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??
Absolutely awesome!

Granted there are some differences of opinion of it's meaning, it's really very straight to the point. One could almost say, free of doctrinal division. And I believe a catalyst, the spark that has ignited many into become a child of God.

It gives God's sentiment of the world, so there's no question as to the why God gave His only begotten Son, and what each individual part of mankind must do to become saved......a child of God. Whether one has to wrestle with it for years, or get knocked off their mule and become a believer in a few moments, it's all the same.

Great thread!

Amen... to me it is the whole gospel in a nut shell, how God's love wanted it, he set a way for us to have eternal life without messing it up and all it requires is to believe..

It doesn't get better than that...
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10/12/2016 7:25:49 AM
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At 10/12/2016 7:12:16 AM, keithprosser wrote:
I think its just about the most succinct statement of the Christian religion there could be.
I just don't happen to think it's true!

Amen... it does some up the whole of the Gospel... pity you don't believe though, bless you..
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10/12/2016 7:56:44 AM
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At 10/12/2016 7:20:45 AM, graceofgod wrote:
his son gave us eternal life by fulfilling the laws that were given, the standard God expects for us to be saved, you have to believe on him, to accept what he did for you, it acknowledges you know he paid the price for you...
First read this -

THE BLOOD OF CHRIST

There is no operation of Divine wisdom that has been so completely misapprehended and misrepresented as the shedding of the blood of Christ. Popular preaching brings it down to a level with the sacrifices of idolatrous superstition, by which wrathful deities are supposed to be placated by the blood of a substitutionary victim. Christ is represented as having paid our debts"as having died instead of us"as having stood in our room like a substitute in military service, or like a man rushing to the scaffold where a criminal is about to be executed, and offering to die instead of him (a favourite illustration in the evangelical pulpit).

Such views are contradicted by even the most superficial facts of the case; for if Christ died instead of us, then we ought not to die (which we do); and if he paid the penalty naturally due from us"death"he ought not to have risen (which he did). And if his death was of the character alleged, the redeeming power lay in itself and not in the resurrection that followed; whereas Paul declares to the Corinthians that, notwithstanding the death of Christ, "if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain: ye are yet in your sins" (1- Corinthians 15:17).

Further, if Christ has paid our debts, our debts are not "forgiven," for it would be out of place for a creditor to talk of having forgiven a debt which someone else has paid for the debtor; and thus is blotted out the very first feature of the gospel of the grace of God"the forgiveness of our sins "through the forbearance of God" (Romans 3:25 ).

It is a subject calling for great reverence of mind in order to grasp its proper apprehension; for it is the subject of a divine procedure, with divine objects. Those who have little faith in God, and little reverence for Him, can have but very small interest in it. Those who love God approach it with deep humility and fervent desire and strong interest. At the same time, it requires something besides reverence; it requires understanding. While in a sense, all Divine ways are too high for human understanding, wherein He has condescended to invite us to understand, it is ours to respond. We see many people of a reverent type of mind, even to the degree of superstition, who have no understanding.

There are two extremes which it is desirable to avoid. They may be taken to be represented by the red-hot Salvationist, and the very cool Moralist. The Salvationist talks a great deal about "the blood of Christ", but talks in a way that outrages understanding and throws a cloud over God"s dealings. The Moralist avoids reference to the blood of Christ altogether. With him it is a mere phrase without a practical meaning. Wisdom steers a middle course, and aims to get that nice equilibrium of facts which results from a comprehensive study of the Scriptures.

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Even the bible exposes your claim as a LIE!

Read: Deut. 24:16, Ezek. 18:20 & Jer. 31:30!

Then apologise for your Satanic deception!
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10/12/2016 8:45:00 AM
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At 10/12/2016 7:56:44 AM, Composer wrote:
At 10/12/2016 7:20:45 AM, graceofgod wrote:
his son gave us eternal life by fulfilling the laws that were given, the standard God expects for us to be saved, you have to believe on him, to accept what he did for you, it acknowledges you know he paid the price for you...
First read this -

THE BLOOD OF CHRIST

There is no operation of Divine wisdom that has been so completely misapprehended and misrepresented as the shedding of the blood of Christ. Popular preaching brings it down to a level with the sacrifices of idolatrous superstition, by which wrathful deities are supposed to be placated by the blood of a substitutionary victim. Christ is represented as having paid our debts"as having died instead of us"as having stood in our room like a substitute in military service, or like a man rushing to the scaffold where a criminal is about to be executed, and offering to die instead of him (a favourite illustration in the evangelical pulpit).

Such views are contradicted by even the most superficial facts of the case; for if Christ died instead of us, then we ought not to die (which we do); and if he paid the penalty naturally due from us"death"he ought not to have risen (which he did). And if his death was of the character alleged, the redeeming power lay in itself and not in the resurrection that followed; whereas Paul declares to the Corinthians that, notwithstanding the death of Christ, "if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain: ye are yet in your sins" (1- Corinthians 15:17).

Further, if Christ has paid our debts, our debts are not "forgiven," for it would be out of place for a creditor to talk of having forgiven a debt which someone else has paid for the debtor; and thus is blotted out the very first feature of the gospel of the grace of God"the forgiveness of our sins "through the forbearance of God" (Romans 3:25 ).

It is a subject calling for great reverence of mind in order to grasp its proper apprehension; for it is the subject of a divine procedure, with divine objects. Those who have little faith in God, and little reverence for Him, can have but very small interest in it. Those who love God approach it with deep humility and fervent desire and strong interest. At the same time, it requires something besides reverence; it requires understanding. While in a sense, all Divine ways are too high for human understanding, wherein He has condescended to invite us to understand, it is ours to respond. We see many people of a reverent type of mind, even to the degree of superstition, who have no understanding.

There are two extremes which it is desirable to avoid. They may be taken to be represented by the red-hot Salvationist, and the very cool Moralist. The Salvationist talks a great deal about "the blood of Christ", but talks in a way that outrages understanding and throws a cloud over God"s dealings. The Moralist avoids reference to the blood of Christ altogether. With him it is a mere phrase without a practical meaning. Wisdom steers a middle course, and aims to get that nice equilibrium of facts which results from a comprehensive study of the Scriptures.

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Even the bible exposes your claim as a LIE!

Read: Deut. 24:16, Ezek. 18:20 & Jer. 31:30!

Then apologise for your Satanic deception!

not share where you got that from but blood sacrifice for the remission of sins has been a biblical principal throughout....

the once and for all atonement of Christ covers sin entirely for life...

it was the law that had to be fulfilled to bring someone to God's expected standard that was the problem, Jesus fulfilled the law, making it no longer binding to anyone who believed upon him....

romans 8 vs 1 tell us for there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus, It does not say we don't do anything wrong from now on but it does say something Jesus did means we are not condemned, held accountable for it...

so something changed...

in romans 4 vs 22 Abraham's faith made him righteous, it clearly says "his works would be counted as debt".... his faith in whom, just as john 3 16 says whom so ever believes on him...

romans 4 vs 8 says blessed is him to whom God imputes no sin, so clearly there is a way possible for a sinner, as the bible says we all are, can have that condemnation of sin lifted from him, no sin imputed because it is paid in full by the sacrifice Christ made, blood atonement once and for all time...

just some examples of why John 3:16 is a very powerful and very wonderful scripture...
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10/12/2016 1:56:00 PM
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At 10/12/2016 7:20:45 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/12/2016 12:02:14 AM, distraff wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??

Two questions? How did his son give us eternal life? Why is believing a requirement for this?
his son gave us eternal life by fulfilling the laws that were given, the standard God expects for us to be saved, you have to believe on him, to accept what he did for you, it acknowledges you know he paid the price for you...

Jesus couldn't even acquit himself at his trial. He was tried, convicted and crucified. The scriptures tell us he is house cleaner in heaven.

John 14:2 My Father's house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?

On earth he was a pedicurist and kept his disciples feet clean.

John 13:12 When he had finished washing their feet, he put on his clothes and returned to his place. "Do you understand what I have done for you?" he asked them.
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10/12/2016 2:22:10 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/12/2016 7:18:37 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/11/2016 10:51:51 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??

It means God is a psychotic a$$hole.

so remind me, who starts the childish name calling...???

Where did I call you a name?
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10/12/2016 5:08:35 PM
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At 10/12/2016 1:56:00 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/12/2016 7:20:45 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/12/2016 12:02:14 AM, distraff wrote:
At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??

Two questions? How did his son give us eternal life? Why is believing a requirement for this?
his son gave us eternal life by fulfilling the laws that were given, the standard God expects for us to be saved, you have to believe on him, to accept what he did for you, it acknowledges you know he paid the price for you...

Jesus couldn't even acquit himself at his trial. He was tried, convicted and crucified. The scriptures tell us he is house cleaner in heaven.

he didn't want to be let off, he knew what he had to do..
John 14:2 My Father's house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?

On earth he was a pedicurist and kept his disciples feet clean.
he had a servant heart...
John 13:12 When he had finished washing their feet, he put on his clothes and returned to his place. "Do you understand what I have done for you?" he asked them.
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10/13/2016 8:23:01 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/12/2016 7:20:45 AM, graceofgod wrote:
not share where you got that from but blood sacrifice for the remission of sins has been a biblical principal throughout....
Incorrect!

1 Cor. 15:17 refutes you still!

At 10/12/2016 7:20:45 AM, graceofgod wrote:
the once and for all atonement of Christ covers sin entirely for life...

it was the law that had to be fulfilled to bring someone to God's expected standard that was the problem, Jesus fulfilled the law, making it no longer binding to anyone who believed upon him....

Deut. 24:16, Ezek. 18:20 & Jer. 31:30! still refute you & Co.

At 10/12/2016 7:20:45 AM, graceofgod wrote:
romans 8 vs 1 tell us for there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus, . . . .

But NONE, including malignant sinners like YOU & Co. are counted as in jebus!

Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. . . . . . (1 John 3:6) Story book

You corrupt that to try to imply it says " I can still Sin "

You are dishonest & a jebus' fraud!

At 10/12/2016 7:20:45 AM, graceofgod wrote:
in romans 4 vs 22 Abraham's faith made him righteous, it clearly says "his works would be counted as debt"....
Counted as debt isn't forgiveness!

Story book God didn't even genuinely ' give ' jebus as a sacrifice!

It only pretended to do so for approx. 3 days, then rewarded it for its worthless efforts!

Worthless because of e.g. - Deut. 24:16, Ezek. 18:20 & Jer. 31:30!

You need to stop simply echoing/parroting what your false teachers tell you!

It is also difficult to ascertain truth, because the bible text has been tampered with, more than any other Story book.
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10/13/2016 9:25:22 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/11/2016 8:55:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
but what does it mean to you??

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and begotten/only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

what it means that its a contradiction with other verses of the same book.
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