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Willows
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10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?
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10/14/2016 12:36:42 PM
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At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?

As an atheist I understand your frustration with the damage that religion can induce in people and especially to children.

Yet in answer to your question on restricting religion (presumably until they have attained some maturity) I would argue, no!

As you know, science thrives on counter arguments and evidence. Something which (as you say), is prohibited in religions. Most theists I've encountered are quite happy to use reasoning (at some level) to justify their actions and decisions - except when it comes to their belief in the supernatural.

Children are often told simplistic fictional stories to promote an awareness of the dangers, joys and deceptions that they will encounter in later life. Being told that rewards will come via Santa Claus, providing one behaves and obeys one's parents, is one example. Eventually children discover that they have been lied to. Lesson 1: Don't believe everything you are told, even if it comes from those you trust the most. Trust must be earned.

I think education in logic and critical thinking is the key to overcoming simplistic religious dogma. The fear of the unknown and the desire to avoid saying, "I don't know" has led some to say (and others to accept) it's the supernatural, thus they can pretend to know the answers.

If there was something to investigate then science would happily and rigorously investigate it.

I don't think that any state law restricting religion would ever work. Fortunately we don't live in a totalitarian society like Orwell's "1984".
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10/14/2016 12:49:35 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?

Yes we should restrict religion... and while we are at it: speech, assembly, the press, the right to bear arms, no due process, unreasonable search and seizure, cruel and unusual punishment, and a speedy trial bye a jury of our peers.

The OP contention is totally reasonable and not a loaded statement whatsoever.
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10/14/2016 1:34:57 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?

Here in the US, we have freedom of religion enshrined in our Constitution, so it would not be possible here.
If that was the only issue, then vote moderation could be avoided more often, since a vote in which the voter does explain sufficiently how at least one point a debater made swung their vote, would be considered sufficient. -Airmax
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10/14/2016 2:01:05 PM
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At 10/14/2016 1:34:57 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?


Here in the US, we have freedom of religion enshrined in our Constitution, so it would not be possible here.

Freedom of religion though should not include denying a child a life-saving blood transfusion, denying birthday celebrations and dragging children from house to house to have doors slammed in their faces. That is not freedom of religion, it is outright child abuse.
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10/14/2016 3:10:23 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/14/2016 1:34:57 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?


Here in the US, we have freedom of religion enshrined in our Constitution, so it would not be possible here.

With freedoms, there is always the capacity to abuse them, which is what some theists do with their religious freedoms, it is this abuse that affects others.

For example, some theists here believe they have the right to spread the gospel, which negatively affects many others, hence this practice should be restricted. If you can't practice your faith behind closed doors and are compelled to bring it out into the public, then you are abusing your freedom to practice.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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10/14/2016 3:42:29 PM
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At 10/14/2016 2:01:05 PM, Willows wrote:
At 10/14/2016 1:34:57 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?


Here in the US, we have freedom of religion enshrined in our Constitution, so it would not be possible here.

Freedom of religion though should not include denying a child a life-saving blood transfusion, denying birthday celebrations and dragging children from house to house to have doors slammed in their faces. That is not freedom of religion, it is outright child abuse.

You might be able to make an argument against the denial of blood transfusions (although the JWs have come up with viable alternatives), but there's no such thing as a right to go to birthday parties or proselytizing avoidance. Also, I am not aware of any group that brings their kids door to door (other than the Girl Scouts).
If that was the only issue, then vote moderation could be avoided more often, since a vote in which the voter does explain sufficiently how at least one point a debater made swung their vote, would be considered sufficient. -Airmax
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10/14/2016 3:44:43 PM
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At 10/14/2016 3:10:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 1:34:57 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?


Here in the US, we have freedom of religion enshrined in our Constitution, so it would not be possible here.

With freedoms, there is always the capacity to abuse them, which is what some theists do with their religious freedoms, it is this abuse that affects others.

For example, some theists here believe they have the right to spread the gospel, which negatively affects many others, hence this practice should be restricted. If you can't practice your faith behind closed doors and are compelled to bring it out into the public, then you are abusing your freedom to practice.

You've seemed to have overlooked that pesky freedom of speech also found in the same Constitution.
If that was the only issue, then vote moderation could be avoided more often, since a vote in which the voter does explain sufficiently how at least one point a debater made swung their vote, would be considered sufficient. -Airmax
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10/14/2016 3:58:11 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

Dismissing 90% of the world's belief systems as narrow-minded? The irony.
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10/14/2016 4:29:20 PM
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At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?

Other than Freedom of religion, religion should not be restricted. Anytime you ban something you only draw attention to it and make it more appealing. Not to mention, all religious view aren't harmful.

I think the best course of action is to point out the flaws in some religious thinking. For instance, excusing a bad choice (Trump/Hillary) because 'god wills it' instead of trying to choose the best possible scenario from the start. The tendency to allow life to happen (instead of trying to change course to a better outcome) follows from this type of thinking. I always thought "God helps those who help themselves" is a much better religious view.

I could go on, but I think you probably get the gist.
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10/14/2016 6:03:46 PM
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At 10/14/2016 3:44:43 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:10:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 1:34:57 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?


Here in the US, we have freedom of religion enshrined in our Constitution, so it would not be possible here.

With freedoms, there is always the capacity to abuse them, which is what some theists do with their religious freedoms, it is this abuse that affects others.

For example, some theists here believe they have the right to spread the gospel, which negatively affects many others, hence this practice should be restricted. If you can't practice your faith behind closed doors and are compelled to bring it out into the public, then you are abusing your freedom to practice.


You've seemed to have overlooked that pesky freedom of speech also found in the same Constitution.

What about it? Obviously, it is another freedom that some people will abuse, just like the freedom to practice their religion.

So then, please explain to me what the freedom of speech has to do with spreading the gospel? Is it not also an abuse of that freedom, especially if it has negative effects on people? Don't people have the freedom FROM religion?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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10/14/2016 6:10:13 PM
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At 10/14/2016 6:03:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:44:43 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:10:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 1:34:57 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?


Here in the US, we have freedom of religion enshrined in our Constitution, so it would not be possible here.

With freedoms, there is always the capacity to abuse them, which is what some theists do with their religious freedoms, it is this abuse that affects others.

For example, some theists here believe they have the right to spread the gospel, which negatively affects many others, hence this practice should be restricted. If you can't practice your faith behind closed doors and are compelled to bring it out into the public, then you are abusing your freedom to practice.


You've seemed to have overlooked that pesky freedom of speech also found in the same Constitution.

What about it? Obviously, it is another freedom that some people will abuse, just like the freedom to practice their religion.

So then, please explain to me what the freedom of speech has to do with spreading the gospel? Is it not also an abuse of that freedom, especially if it has negative effects on people? Don't people have the freedom FROM religion?

Yes. You have the freedom to exit the religious forum. You should consider exercising this right to privacy instead of constantly complaining that religion is always in your face. The problem is you. You insist on staying in the middle of religion while having no positive purpose for being here. Run along now. Religion won't come chasing after you.
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10/14/2016 6:20:06 PM
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At 10/14/2016 6:10:13 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:03:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:44:43 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:10:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 1:34:57 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?


Here in the US, we have freedom of religion enshrined in our Constitution, so it would not be possible here.

With freedoms, there is always the capacity to abuse them, which is what some theists do with their religious freedoms, it is this abuse that affects others.

For example, some theists here believe they have the right to spread the gospel, which negatively affects many others, hence this practice should be restricted. If you can't practice your faith behind closed doors and are compelled to bring it out into the public, then you are abusing your freedom to practice.


You've seemed to have overlooked that pesky freedom of speech also found in the same Constitution.

What about it? Obviously, it is another freedom that some people will abuse, just like the freedom to practice their religion.

So then, please explain to me what the freedom of speech has to do with spreading the gospel? Is it not also an abuse of that freedom, especially if it has negative effects on people? Don't people have the freedom FROM religion?

Yes. You have the freedom to exit the religious forum. You should consider exercising this right to privacy instead of constantly complaining that religion is always in your face. The problem is you. You insist on staying in the middle of religion while having no positive purpose for being here. Run along now.

Yes, I understand completely you believe that anyone who questions or criticizes your religion has no positive purpose. Duh.

Religion won't come chasing after you.

Unfortunately, that isn't even remotely true.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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10/14/2016 6:29:48 PM
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At 10/14/2016 6:20:06 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:10:13 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:03:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:44:43 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:10:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 1:34:57 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?


Here in the US, we have freedom of religion enshrined in our Constitution, so it would not be possible here.

With freedoms, there is always the capacity to abuse them, which is what some theists do with their religious freedoms, it is this abuse that affects others.

For example, some theists here believe they have the right to spread the gospel, which negatively affects many others, hence this practice should be restricted. If you can't practice your faith behind closed doors and are compelled to bring it out into the public, then you are abusing your freedom to practice.


You've seemed to have overlooked that pesky freedom of speech also found in the same Constitution.

What about it? Obviously, it is another freedom that some people will abuse, just like the freedom to practice their religion.

So then, please explain to me what the freedom of speech has to do with spreading the gospel? Is it not also an abuse of that freedom, especially if it has negative effects on people? Don't people have the freedom FROM religion?

Yes. You have the freedom to exit the religious forum. You should consider exercising this right to privacy instead of constantly complaining that religion is always in your face. The problem is you. You insist on staying in the middle of religion while having no positive purpose for being here. Run along now.

Yes, I understand completely you believe that anyone who questions or criticizes your religion has no positive purpose. Duh.

Religion won't come chasing after you.

Unfortunately, that isn't even remotely true.

It think it is true. We could do an experiment where you walk away from chasing all the believers in the religious forum, wherein you pass off snarky onliner insults as critical questioning, and you leave for one week. Come back after that week has passed, and be honest, tell me if religion has continued to meddle about your personal business. I'll suspect you'll find that nobody comes chasing after you.
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10/14/2016 6:34:55 PM
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At 10/14/2016 6:29:48 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:20:06 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:10:13 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:03:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:44:43 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:10:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 1:34:57 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?


Here in the US, we have freedom of religion enshrined in our Constitution, so it would not be possible here.

With freedoms, there is always the capacity to abuse them, which is what some theists do with their religious freedoms, it is this abuse that affects others.

For example, some theists here believe they have the right to spread the gospel, which negatively affects many others, hence this practice should be restricted. If you can't practice your faith behind closed doors and are compelled to bring it out into the public, then you are abusing your freedom to practice.


You've seemed to have overlooked that pesky freedom of speech also found in the same Constitution.

What about it? Obviously, it is another freedom that some people will abuse, just like the freedom to practice their religion.

So then, please explain to me what the freedom of speech has to do with spreading the gospel? Is it not also an abuse of that freedom, especially if it has negative effects on people? Don't people have the freedom FROM religion?

Yes. You have the freedom to exit the religious forum. You should consider exercising this right to privacy instead of constantly complaining that religion is always in your face. The problem is you. You insist on staying in the middle of religion while having no positive purpose for being here. Run along now.

Yes, I understand completely you believe that anyone who questions or criticizes your religion has no positive purpose. Duh.

Religion won't come chasing after you.

Unfortunately, that isn't even remotely true.

It think it is true. We could do an experiment where you walk away from chasing all the believers in the religious forum, wherein you pass off snarky onliner insults as critical questioning, and you leave for one week. Come back after that week has passed, and be honest, tell me if religion has continued to meddle about your personal business. I'll suspect you'll find that nobody comes chasing after you.

LOL. Religion meddles in my life and everyone else life every single day. You probably don't notice that because you're part of the problem, not the solution.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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10/14/2016 6:42:32 PM
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At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
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We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?

That would mean that we should also restrict all ideologies, especially socialism, which has been one of the most disastrous ideology for mankind. But it should also include this restriction idea, because it is a form of fascism and leads to violence and suffering.and to destruction of freedom that people should have .
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10/14/2016 7:06:17 PM
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At 10/14/2016 2:01:05 PM, Willows wrote:
At 10/14/2016 1:34:57 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?


Here in the US, we have freedom of religion enshrined in our Constitution, so it would not be possible here.

Freedom of religion though should not include denying a child a life-saving blood transfusion, denying birthday celebrations and dragging children from house to house to have doors slammed in their faces. That is not freedom of religion, it is outright child abuse.

And every time it's been in front of a court the courts ruled in the child's interest.

Drop your pretentiousness. It's insulting.
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10/14/2016 7:09:01 PM
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At 10/14/2016 6:03:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:44:43 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:10:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 1:34:57 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?


Here in the US, we have freedom of religion enshrined in our Constitution, so it would not be possible here.

With freedoms, there is always the capacity to abuse them, which is what some theists do with their religious freedoms, it is this abuse that affects others.

For example, some theists here believe they have the right to spread the gospel, which negatively affects many others, hence this practice should be restricted. If you can't practice your faith behind closed doors and are compelled to bring it out into the public, then you are abusing your freedom to practice.


You've seemed to have overlooked that pesky freedom of speech also found in the same Constitution.

What about it? Obviously, it is another freedom that some people will abuse, just like the freedom to practice their religion.

So then, please explain to me what the freedom of speech has to do with spreading the gospel? Is it not also an abuse of that freedom, especially if it has negative effects on people? Don't people have the freedom FROM religion?

Yes. Walk away. Just because a person says hello doesn't mean you need to engage in conversation.
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10/14/2016 7:09:58 PM
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At 10/14/2016 6:10:13 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:03:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:44:43 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:10:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 1:34:57 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?


Here in the US, we have freedom of religion enshrined in our Constitution, so it would not be possible here.

With freedoms, there is always the capacity to abuse them, which is what some theists do with their religious freedoms, it is this abuse that affects others.

For example, some theists here believe they have the right to spread the gospel, which negatively affects many others, hence this practice should be restricted. If you can't practice your faith behind closed doors and are compelled to bring it out into the public, then you are abusing your freedom to practice.


You've seemed to have overlooked that pesky freedom of speech also found in the same Constitution.

What about it? Obviously, it is another freedom that some people will abuse, just like the freedom to practice their religion.

So then, please explain to me what the freedom of speech has to do with spreading the gospel? Is it not also an abuse of that freedom, especially if it has negative effects on people? Don't people have the freedom FROM religion?

Yes. You have the freedom to exit the religious forum. You should consider exercising this right to privacy instead of constantly complaining that religion is always in your face. The problem is you. You insist on staying in the middle of religion while having no positive purpose for being here. Run along now. Religion won't come chasing after you.

Very well said.
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10/14/2016 7:15:42 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/14/2016 6:34:55 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:29:48 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:20:06 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:10:13 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:03:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:44:43 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:10:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 1:34:57 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?


Here in the US, we have freedom of religion enshrined in our Constitution, so it would not be possible here.

With freedoms, there is always the capacity to abuse them, which is what some theists do with their religious freedoms, it is this abuse that affects others.

For example, some theists here believe they have the right to spread the gospel, which negatively affects many others, hence this practice should be restricted. If you can't practice your faith behind closed doors and are compelled to bring it out into the public, then you are abusing your freedom to practice.


You've seemed to have overlooked that pesky freedom of speech also found in the same Constitution.

What about it? Obviously, it is another freedom that some people will abuse, just like the freedom to practice their religion.

So then, please explain to me what the freedom of speech has to do with spreading the gospel? Is it not also an abuse of that freedom, especially if it has negative effects on people? Don't people have the freedom FROM religion?

Yes. You have the freedom to exit the religious forum. You should consider exercising this right to privacy instead of constantly complaining that religion is always in your face. The problem is you. You insist on staying in the middle of religion while having no positive purpose for being here. Run along now.

Yes, I understand completely you believe that anyone who questions or criticizes your religion has no positive purpose. Duh.

Religion won't come chasing after you.

Unfortunately, that isn't even remotely true.

It think it is true. We could do an experiment where you walk away from chasing all the believers in the religious forum, wherein you pass off snarky onliner insults as critical questioning, and you leave for one week. Come back after that week has passed, and be honest, tell me if religion has continued to meddle about your personal business. I'll suspect you'll find that nobody comes chasing after you.

LOL. Religion meddles in my life and everyone else life every single day. You probably don't notice that because you're part of the problem, not the solution.

I guess some see ghosts and the boogeyman at every turn. Oh, wait, it does say in god we trust on money. Yeah that is society cramming, no forcing, no actually imposing its solely Judson Christian belief system on me, an atheist...

And people wonder why I don't attack religion? Maybe because I respect most others views and they respect mine...
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10/14/2016 7:16:28 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/14/2016 6:34:55 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:29:48 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:20:06 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:10:13 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:03:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:44:43 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:10:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 1:34:57 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?


Here in the US, we have freedom of religion enshrined in our Constitution, so it would not be possible here.

With freedoms, there is always the capacity to abuse them, which is what some theists do with their religious freedoms, it is this abuse that affects others.

For example, some theists here believe they have the right to spread the gospel, which negatively affects many others, hence this practice should be restricted. If you can't practice your faith behind closed doors and are compelled to bring it out into the public, then you are abusing your freedom to practice.


You've seemed to have overlooked that pesky freedom of speech also found in the same Constitution.

What about it? Obviously, it is another freedom that some people will abuse, just like the freedom to practice their religion.

So then, please explain to me what the freedom of speech has to do with spreading the gospel? Is it not also an abuse of that freedom, especially if it has negative effects on people? Don't people have the freedom FROM religion?

Yes. You have the freedom to exit the religious forum. You should consider exercising this right to privacy instead of constantly complaining that religion is always in your face. The problem is you. You insist on staying in the middle of religion while having no positive purpose for being here. Run along now.

Yes, I understand completely you believe that anyone who questions or criticizes your religion has no positive purpose. Duh.

Religion won't come chasing after you.

Unfortunately, that isn't even remotely true.

It think it is true. We could do an experiment where you walk away from chasing all the believers in the religious forum, wherein you pass off snarky onliner insults as critical questioning, and you leave for one week. Come back after that week has passed, and be honest, tell me if religion has continued to meddle about your personal business. I'll suspect you'll find that nobody comes chasing after you.

LOL. Religion meddles in my life and everyone else life every single day. You probably don't notice that because you're part of the problem, not the solution.

This is the only place where I come to attempt to discuss religion with likeminded people of interest. So I don't think I'm part of your problem. If you leave, I promise not to follow you. The solution for you to escape the pest I got of religion is simple. Stop placing yourself in the middle of it. Just walk away and enjoy the silence.
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10/14/2016 7:20:13 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/14/2016 7:16:28 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:34:55 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:29:48 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:20:06 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:10:13 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:03:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:44:43 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:10:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 1:34:57 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?


Here in the US, we have freedom of religion enshrined in our Constitution, so it would not be possible here.

With freedoms, there is always the capacity to abuse them, which is what some theists do with their religious freedoms, it is this abuse that affects others.

For example, some theists here believe they have the right to spread the gospel, which negatively affects many others, hence this practice should be restricted. If you can't practice your faith behind closed doors and are compelled to bring it out into the public, then you are abusing your freedom to practice.


You've seemed to have overlooked that pesky freedom of speech also found in the same Constitution.

What about it? Obviously, it is another freedom that some people will abuse, just like the freedom to practice their religion.

So then, please explain to me what the freedom of speech has to do with spreading the gospel? Is it not also an abuse of that freedom, especially if it has negative effects on people? Don't people have the freedom FROM religion?

Yes. You have the freedom to exit the religious forum. You should consider exercising this right to privacy instead of constantly complaining that religion is always in your face. The problem is you. You insist on staying in the middle of religion while having no positive purpose for being here. Run along now.

Yes, I understand completely you believe that anyone who questions or criticizes your religion has no positive purpose. Duh.

Religion won't come chasing after you.

Unfortunately, that isn't even remotely true.

It think it is true. We could do an experiment where you walk away from chasing all the believers in the religious forum, wherein you pass off snarky onliner insults as critical questioning, and you leave for one week. Come back after that week has passed, and be honest, tell me if religion has continued to meddle about your personal business. I'll suspect you'll find that nobody comes chasing after you.

LOL. Religion meddles in my life and everyone else life every single day. You probably don't notice that because you're part of the problem, not the solution.

This is the only place where I come to attempt to discuss religion with likeminded people of interest. So I don't think I'm part of your problem. If you leave, I promise not to follow you. The solution for you to escape the pest I got of religion is simple. Stop placing yourself in the middle of it. Just walk away and enjoy the silence.

Do you actually believe this forum is the only source of religious grief and conflict? That, by leaving this forum, all that grief and conflict will simply vanish? LOL.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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10/14/2016 7:25:16 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/14/2016 7:15:42 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:34:55 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:29:48 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:20:06 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:10:13 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:03:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:44:43 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:10:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 1:34:57 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?


Here in the US, we have freedom of religion enshrined in our Constitution, so it would not be possible here.

With freedoms, there is always the capacity to abuse them, which is what some theists do with their religious freedoms, it is this abuse that affects others.

For example, some theists here believe they have the right to spread the gospel, which negatively affects many others, hence this practice should be restricted. If you can't practice your faith behind closed doors and are compelled to bring it out into the public, then you are abusing your freedom to practice.


You've seemed to have overlooked that pesky freedom of speech also found in the same Constitution.

What about it? Obviously, it is another freedom that some people will abuse, just like the freedom to practice their religion.

So then, please explain to me what the freedom of speech has to do with spreading the gospel? Is it not also an abuse of that freedom, especially if it has negative effects on people? Don't people have the freedom FROM religion?

Yes. You have the freedom to exit the religious forum. You should consider exercising this right to privacy instead of constantly complaining that religion is always in your face. The problem is you. You insist on staying in the middle of religion while having no positive purpose for being here. Run along now.

Yes, I understand completely you believe that anyone who questions or criticizes your religion has no positive purpose. Duh.

Religion won't come chasing after you.

Unfortunately, that isn't even remotely true.

It think it is true. We could do an experiment where you walk away from chasing all the believers in the religious forum, wherein you pass off snarky onliner insults as critical questioning, and you leave for one week. Come back after that week has passed, and be honest, tell me if religion has continued to meddle about your personal business. I'll suspect you'll find that nobody comes chasing after you.

LOL. Religion meddles in my life and everyone else life every single day. You probably don't notice that because you're part of the problem, not the solution.

I guess some see ghosts and the boogeyman at every turn. Oh, wait, it does say in god we trust on money. Yeah that is society cramming, no forcing, no actually imposing its solely Judson Christian belief system on me, an atheist...

And people wonder why I don't attack religion? Maybe because I respect most others views and they respect mine...

"Most" others?

How about religion itself, does it respect your views? Are you free to be an atheist without and faith based consequences?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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10/14/2016 7:38:15 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/14/2016 7:20:13 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 7:16:28 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:34:55 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:29:48 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:20:06 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:10:13 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:03:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:44:43 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:10:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 1:34:57 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?


Here in the US, we have freedom of religion enshrined in our Constitution, so it would not be possible here.

With freedoms, there is always the capacity to abuse them, which is what some theists do with their religious freedoms, it is this abuse that affects others.

For example, some theists here believe they have the right to spread the gospel, which negatively affects many others, hence this practice should be restricted. If you can't practice your faith behind closed doors and are compelled to bring it out into the public, then you are abusing your freedom to practice.


You've seemed to have overlooked that pesky freedom of speech also found in the same Constitution.

What about it? Obviously, it is another freedom that some people will abuse, just like the freedom to practice their religion.

So then, please explain to me what the freedom of speech has to do with spreading the gospel? Is it not also an abuse of that freedom, especially if it has negative effects on people? Don't people have the freedom FROM religion?

Yes. You have the freedom to exit the religious forum. You should consider exercising this right to privacy instead of constantly complaining that religion is always in your face. The problem is you. You insist on staying in the middle of religion while having no positive purpose for being here. Run along now.

Yes, I understand completely you believe that anyone who questions or criticizes your religion has no positive purpose. Duh.

Religion won't come chasing after you.

Unfortunately, that isn't even remotely true.

It think it is true. We could do an experiment where you walk away from chasing all the believers in the religious forum, wherein you pass off snarky onliner insults as critical questioning, and you leave for one week. Come back after that week has passed, and be honest, tell me if religion has continued to meddle about your personal business. I'll suspect you'll find that nobody comes chasing after you.

LOL. Religion meddles in my life and everyone else life every single day. You probably don't notice that because you're part of the problem, not the solution.

This is the only place where I come to attempt to discuss religion with likeminded people of interest. So I don't think I'm part of your problem. If you leave, I promise not to follow you. The solution for you to escape the pest I got of religion is simple. Stop placing yourself in the middle of it. Just walk away and enjoy the silence.

Do you actually believe this forum is the only source of religious grief and conflict? That, by leaving this forum, all that grief and conflict will simply vanish? LOL.

You'll always be your own worst enemy. It seems you're now trying to steer my comments from your direct complaint that suggests you have no freedom from religion. Nobody has shackled you to a church. If anyone had a valid complaint from inescaping the initiations to religion, it could have been me. For the passed year I have been chased by different societies seeking recruitments in the most invasive manners possible. From gangsters to outlaws to the gods themselves, I gave them all the middle finger. The choice for me was clearly stated. The choice was to live upstairs or downstairs. Between Heaven or Hell is the color of black or white, that sometimes appears all too gray. So spare me your petty problems of being unable to remove yourself from the religious forum. Nobody will come chasing you from the religious sects since you have nothing to offer them.
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10/14/2016 7:50:06 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/14/2016 7:38:15 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 7:20:13 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 7:16:28 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:34:55 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:29:48 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:20:06 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:10:13 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:03:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:44:43 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:10:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 1:34:57 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?


Here in the US, we have freedom of religion enshrined in our Constitution, so it would not be possible here.

With freedoms, there is always the capacity to abuse them, which is what some theists do with their religious freedoms, it is this abuse that affects others.

For example, some theists here believe they have the right to spread the gospel, which negatively affects many others, hence this practice should be restricted. If you can't practice your faith behind closed doors and are compelled to bring it out into the public, then you are abusing your freedom to practice.


You've seemed to have overlooked that pesky freedom of speech also found in the same Constitution.

What about it? Obviously, it is another freedom that some people will abuse, just like the freedom to practice their religion.

So then, please explain to me what the freedom of speech has to do with spreading the gospel? Is it not also an abuse of that freedom, especially if it has negative effects on people? Don't people have the freedom FROM religion?

Yes. You have the freedom to exit the religious forum. You should consider exercising this right to privacy instead of constantly complaining that religion is always in your face. The problem is you. You insist on staying in the middle of religion while having no positive purpose for being here. Run along now.

Yes, I understand completely you believe that anyone who questions or criticizes your religion has no positive purpose. Duh.

Religion won't come chasing after you.

Unfortunately, that isn't even remotely true.

It think it is true. We could do an experiment where you walk away from chasing all the believers in the religious forum, wherein you pass off snarky onliner insults as critical questioning, and you leave for one week. Come back after that week has passed, and be honest, tell me if religion has continued to meddle about your personal business. I'll suspect you'll find that nobody comes chasing after you.

LOL. Religion meddles in my life and everyone else life every single day. You probably don't notice that because you're part of the problem, not the solution.

This is the only place where I come to attempt to discuss religion with likeminded people of interest. So I don't think I'm part of your problem. If you leave, I promise not to follow you. The solution for you to escape the pest I got of religion is simple. Stop placing yourself in the middle of it. Just walk away and enjoy the silence.

Do you actually believe this forum is the only source of religious grief and conflict? That, by leaving this forum, all that grief and conflict will simply vanish? LOL.

You'll always be your own worst enemy.

Sure, why not, make the problems of religions all my fault. LOL.

It seems you're now trying to steer my comments from your direct complaint that suggests you have no freedom from religion. Nobody has shackled you to a church. If anyone had a valid complaint from inescaping the initiations to religion, it could have been me. For the passed year I have been chased by different societies seeking recruitments in the most invasive manners possible. From gangsters to outlaws to the gods themselves, I gave them all the middle finger. The choice for me was clearly stated. The choice was to live upstairs or downstairs. Between Heaven or Hell is the color of black or white, that sometimes appears all too gray. So spare me your petty problems of being unable to remove yourself from the religious forum. Nobody will come chasing you from the religious sects since you have nothing to offer them.

Yes, I know you are incapable of understanding the problems your faith has on society, whether you choose to ignore them, are in agreement with them or are just plain ignorant of them.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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10/14/2016 7:53:59 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/14/2016 7:25:16 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 7:15:42 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:34:55 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:29:48 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:20:06 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:10:13 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:03:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:44:43 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:10:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 1:34:57 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?


Here in the US, we have freedom of religion enshrined in our Constitution, so it would not be possible here.

With freedoms, there is always the capacity to abuse them, which is what some theists do with their religious freedoms, it is this abuse that affects others.

For example, some theists here believe they have the right to spread the gospel, which negatively affects many others, hence this practice should be restricted. If you can't practice your faith behind closed doors and are compelled to bring it out into the public, then you are abusing your freedom to practice.


You've seemed to have overlooked that pesky freedom of speech also found in the same Constitution.

What about it? Obviously, it is another freedom that some people will abuse, just like the freedom to practice their religion.

So then, please explain to me what the freedom of speech has to do with spreading the gospel? Is it not also an abuse of that freedom, especially if it has negative effects on people? Don't people have the freedom FROM religion?

Yes. You have the freedom to exit the religious forum. You should consider exercising this right to privacy instead of constantly complaining that religion is always in your face. The problem is you. You insist on staying in the middle of religion while having no positive purpose for being here. Run along now.

Yes, I understand completely you believe that anyone who questions or criticizes your religion has no positive purpose. Duh.

Religion won't come chasing after you.

Unfortunately, that isn't even remotely true.

It think it is true. We could do an experiment where you walk away from chasing all the believers in the religious forum, wherein you pass off snarky onliner insults as critical questioning, and you leave for one week. Come back after that week has passed, and be honest, tell me if religion has continued to meddle about your personal business. I'll suspect you'll find that nobody comes chasing after you.

LOL. Religion meddles in my life and everyone else life every single day. You probably don't notice that because you're part of the problem, not the solution.

I guess some see ghosts and the boogeyman at every turn. Oh, wait, it does say in god we trust on money. Yeah that is society cramming, no forcing, no actually imposing its solely Judson Christian belief system on me, an atheist...

And people wonder why I don't attack religion? Maybe because I respect most others views and they respect mine...

"Most" others?

How about religion itself, does it respect your views? Are you free to be an atheist without and faith based consequences?

Yes I am.
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10/14/2016 7:58:06 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/14/2016 6:03:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:44:43 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:10:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 1:34:57 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?


Here in the US, we have freedom of religion enshrined in our Constitution, so it would not be possible here.

With freedoms, there is always the capacity to abuse them, which is what some theists do with their religious freedoms, it is this abuse that affects others.

For example, some theists here believe they have the right to spread the gospel, which negatively affects many others, hence this practice should be restricted. If you can't practice your faith behind closed doors and are compelled to bring it out into the public, then you are abusing your freedom to practice.


You've seemed to have overlooked that pesky freedom of speech also found in the same Constitution.

What about it? Obviously, it is another freedom that some people will abuse, just like the freedom to practice their religion.

So then, please explain to me what the freedom of speech has to do with spreading the gospel? Is it not also an abuse of that freedom,

No.

especially if it has negative effects on people?

Such as?

Don't people have the freedom FROM religion?

What amendment is that?
If that was the only issue, then vote moderation could be avoided more often, since a vote in which the voter does explain sufficiently how at least one point a debater made swung their vote, would be considered sufficient. -Airmax
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10/14/2016 8:03:30 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/14/2016 7:50:06 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 7:38:15 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 7:20:13 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 7:16:28 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:34:55 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:29:48 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:20:06 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:10:13 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:03:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:44:43 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:10:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 1:34:57 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?


Here in the US, we have freedom of religion enshrined in our Constitution, so it would not be possible here.

With freedoms, there is always the capacity to abuse them, which is what some theists do with their religious freedoms, it is this abuse that affects others.

For example, some theists here believe they have the right to spread the gospel, which negatively affects many others, hence this practice should be restricted. If you can't practice your faith behind closed doors and are compelled to bring it out into the public, then you are abusing your freedom to practice.


You've seemed to have overlooked that pesky freedom of speech also found in the same Constitution.

What about it? Obviously, it is another freedom that some people will abuse, just like the freedom to practice their religion.

So then, please explain to me what the freedom of speech has to do with spreading the gospel? Is it not also an abuse of that freedom, especially if it has negative effects on people? Don't people have the freedom FROM religion?

Yes. You have the freedom to exit the religious forum. You should consider exercising this right to privacy instead of constantly complaining that religion is always in your face. The problem is you. You insist on staying in the middle of religion while having no positive purpose for being here. Run along now.

Yes, I understand completely you believe that anyone who questions or criticizes your religion has no positive purpose. Duh.

Religion won't come chasing after you.

Unfortunately, that isn't even remotely true.

It think it is true. We could do an experiment where you walk away from chasing all the believers in the religious forum, wherein you pass off snarky onliner insults as critical questioning, and you leave for one week. Come back after that week has passed, and be honest, tell me if religion has continued to meddle about your personal business. I'll suspect you'll find that nobody comes chasing after you.

LOL. Religion meddles in my life and everyone else life every single day. You probably don't notice that because you're part of the problem, not the solution.

This is the only place where I come to attempt to discuss religion with likeminded people of interest. So I don't think I'm part of your problem. If you leave, I promise not to follow you. The solution for you to escape the pest I got of religion is simple. Stop placing yourself in the middle of it. Just walk away and enjoy the silence.

Do you actually believe this forum is the only source of religious grief and conflict? That, by leaving this forum, all that grief and conflict will simply vanish? LOL.

You'll always be your own worst enemy.

Sure, why not, make the problems of religions all my fault. LOL.

It seems you're now trying to steer my comments from your direct complaint that suggests you have no freedom from religion. Nobody has shackled you to a church. If anyone had a valid complaint from inescaping the initiations to religion, it could have been me. For the passed year I have been chased by different societies seeking recruitments in the most invasive manners possible. From gangsters to outlaws to the gods themselves, I gave them all the middle finger. The choice for me was clearly stated. The choice was to live upstairs or downstairs. Between Heaven or Hell is the color of black or white, that sometimes appears all too gray. So spare me your petty problems of being unable to remove yourself from the religious forum. Nobody will come chasing you from the religious sects since you have nothing to offer them.

Yes, I know you are incapable of understanding the problems your faith has on society, whether you choose to ignore them, are in agreement with them or are just plain ignorant of them.

What is my faith? My faith does not get discussed in any books. No books have been written about my beliefs. My beliefs do not come from faiths. Do not pretend to know anything about me. All I have and all I am, as you and everyone is, as we all become talking biographies of personal experiences. We are the walking stories of individual lives trying to makes sense of the larger encyclopedias held within and without the entire Universe.
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10/14/2016 8:07:42 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/14/2016 8:03:30 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 7:50:06 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 7:38:15 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 7:20:13 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 7:16:28 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:34:55 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:29:48 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:20:06 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:10:13 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/14/2016 6:03:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:44:43 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 3:10:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/14/2016 1:34:57 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?


Here in the US, we have freedom of religion enshrined in our Constitution, so it would not be possible here.

With freedoms, there is always the capacity to abuse them, which is what some theists do with their religious freedoms, it is this abuse that affects others.

For example, some theists here believe they have the right to spread the gospel, which negatively affects many others, hence this practice should be restricted. If you can't practice your faith behind closed doors and are compelled to bring it out into the public, then you are abusing your freedom to practice.


You've seemed to have overlooked that pesky freedom of speech also found in the same Constitution.

What about it? Obviously, it is another freedom that some people will abuse, just like the freedom to practice their religion.

So then, please explain to me what the freedom of speech has to do with spreading the gospel? Is it not also an abuse of that freedom, especially if it has negative effects on people? Don't people have the freedom FROM religion?

Yes. You have the freedom to exit the religious forum. You should consider exercising this right to privacy instead of constantly complaining that religion is always in your face. The problem is you. You insist on staying in the middle of religion while having no positive purpose for being here. Run along now.

Yes, I understand completely you believe that anyone who questions or criticizes your religion has no positive purpose. Duh.

Religion won't come chasing after you.

Unfortunately, that isn't even remotely true.

It think it is true. We could do an experiment where you walk away from chasing all the believers in the religious forum, wherein you pass off snarky onliner insults as critical questioning, and you leave for one week. Come back after that week has passed, and be honest, tell me if religion has continued to meddle about your personal business. I'll suspect you'll find that nobody comes chasing after you.

LOL. Religion meddles in my life and everyone else life every single day. You probably don't notice that because you're part of the problem, not the solution.

This is the only place where I come to attempt to discuss religion with likeminded people of interest. So I don't think I'm part of your problem. If you leave, I promise not to follow you. The solution for you to escape the pest I got of religion is simple. Stop placing yourself in the middle of it. Just walk away and enjoy the silence.

Do you actually believe this forum is the only source of religious grief and conflict? That, by leaving this forum, all that grief and conflict will simply vanish? LOL.

You'll always be your own worst enemy.

Sure, why not, make the problems of religions all my fault. LOL.

It seems you're now trying to steer my comments from your direct complaint that suggests you have no freedom from religion. Nobody has shackled you to a church. If anyone had a valid complaint from inescaping the initiations to religion, it could have been me. For the passed year I have been chased by different societies seeking recruitments in the most invasive manners possible. From gangsters to outlaws to the gods themselves, I gave them all the middle finger. The choice for me was clearly stated. The choice was to live upstairs or downstairs. Between Heaven or Hell is the color of black or white, that sometimes appears all too gray. So spare me your petty problems of being unable to remove yourself from the religious forum. Nobody will come chasing you from the religious sects since you have nothing to offer them.

Yes, I know you are incapable of understanding the problems your faith has on society, whether you choose to ignore them, are in agreement with them or are just plain ignorant of them.

What is my faith? My faith does not get discussed in any books. No books have been written about my beliefs. My beliefs do not come from faiths. Do not pretend to know anything about me. All I have and all I am, as you and everyone is, as we all become talking biographies of personal experiences. We are the walking stories of individual lives trying to makes sense of the larger encyclopedias held within and without the entire Universe.

Joking here but very prescient for an anti-gun troll ;) (I don't think you are a troll and do disagree with your stance on guns but that doesn't make you a bad dude).
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10/14/2016 8:10:13 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/14/2016 9:27:48 AM, Willows wrote:
Research has shown that theists tend to be less intelligent than atheists. And is it any wonder since it is the dictum of all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief.

that is stupid. what research? give some details.. how they conducted it, by what parameters? where they did it? and why.. which "theists" u talking about? u have plenty ppl on earth.and u said "all organised religions that followers must shun outside information that is deemed contrary to their belief"

that is true, bcz its how psychology works and its include atheists when they say "there is no evidence for God" or "religions r bad and the cause of the problems of this world" some nonsense.


Children, in particular, are the victims here since being raised to accept a narrow (and inaccurate) range of learning will have serious repercussions later in life.

pushing into your children's heads subjective morality will make them more stupid bcz they would believe in "morality" which its only an illusion to justify your feelings and what your society brainwashed u with what is "good/bad" which is only relative. and still u cant admit it. psychology at best. why u cant admit it? if i will become an athiest i will admit it.


We restrict the supply of tobacco and alcohol to minors. Should we not have laws protecting children from the dangers of religion?

whos "we"? now u start to generalizing? Islam forbids alcohol even not to touch that devilish stuff. it destroys families and lifes of millions, how many damage property it causes? oh tnkx u proved to us that Islam can teach u better morality about what u think about alcohol or drugs for that matter.
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