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Chloe8
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10/23/2016 3:03:02 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
Why is the messiah prophesied in the old testament so much more successful than the false messiah Jesus whoalso claimed to be the son of Yawheh despite it not being mentioned in the old testament that the messiah would be a god? The old testament makes it clear that Christianity is a monotheistic faith yet the new testament makes it clear (despite the denial of the deluded) that Christianity is a polytheistic religion.

Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Christianity disproved. Simple stuff.
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10/23/2016 8:53:48 PM
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At 10/23/2016 3:03:02 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Why is the messiah prophesied in the old testament so much more successful than the false messiah Jesus whoalso claimed to be the son of Yawheh despite it not being mentioned in the old testament that the messiah would be a god? The old testament makes it clear that Christianity is a monotheistic faith yet the new testament makes it clear (despite the denial of the deluded) that Christianity is a polytheistic religion.

Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Christianity disproved. Simple stuff.

You are correct,, that is the Jewish position. According to the Jews, Jesus was not prophesied in the Old Testament. But Jesus became the saviour of the Gentiles and the New Testament makes that clear. So what you are doing is rehashing the rejection of Jesus by the Jews.But that hardly weakens the Christian position who follow the 4 Gospel accounts of Jesus and Pauline Theology.
There are plenty of contradictions and distorations in the New Testament you can point to that delegitimizes Jesus without dragging the Jews in your quarrel with Christians. Lol!
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10/23/2016 9:36:18 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 8:53:48 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:03:02 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Why is the messiah prophesied in the old testament so much more successful than the false messiah Jesus whoalso claimed to be the son of Yawheh despite it not being mentioned in the old testament that the messiah would be a god? The old testament makes it clear that Christianity is a monotheistic faith yet the new testament makes it clear (despite the denial of the deluded) that Christianity is a polytheistic religion.

Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Christianity disproved. Simple stuff.

You are correct,, that is the Jewish position. According to the Jews, Jesus was not prophesied in the Old Testament. But Jesus became the saviour of the Gentiles and the New Testament makes that clear. So what you are doing is rehashing the rejection of Jesus by the Jews.But that hardly weakens the Christian position who follow the 4 Gospel accounts of Jesus and Pauline Theology.
There are plenty of contradictions and distorations in the New Testament you can point to that delegitimizes Jesus without dragging the Jews in your quarrel with Christians. Lol!

It's true other ways of disproving Christianity exist but using Jewish positions to disprove Christianity is a legitimate strategy. Christianity begun as a cult of Judaism.
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10/24/2016 9:52:06 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 3:03:02 PM, Clown8 wrote:

Jhn 5:46 - For had you believed Moses, you would have believed me: for Moses wrote of me.
-His Omnipotent Majesty, King Jesus

Why is the messiah prophesied in the old testament so much more successful than the false messiah Jesus whoalso claimed to be the son of Yawheh despite it not being mentioned in the old testament that the messiah would be a god? The old testament makes it clear that Christianity is a monotheistic faith yet the new testament makes it clear (despite the denial of the deluded) that Christianity is a polytheistic religion.

Poly means more than one....

Gal 3:20 - Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Mar 12:29 - And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:32 - And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
1Co 8:4 - .... we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

Perhaps Christians believe there is one God because they, unlike you, can read?

Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Yes. This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Stop being an idiot. The prophesy says Jesus would be a descendant of David, and He is a descendant of David.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Sure, you gloss over all the prophesies Jesus has fulfilled and pretend that the ones still in the future have failed. If your case is so good, why do you have to lie?

Christianity disproved. Simple stuff.

For the simple minded yes. So you join the I.D.I.O.T (International Delegation of Imbeciles Opposing Theology), with the likes of Hari Krishna and BoG, who use the truth of Bible verses to say that the Bible is false. Smart isn't that? The way you support your claim that the Bible is false, is by showing it is true!

No wonder the call you clown8.
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10/24/2016 1:36:42 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 9:36:18 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 10/23/2016 8:53:48 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:03:02 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Why is the messiah prophesied in the old testament so much more successful than the false messiah Jesus whoalso claimed to be the son of Yawheh despite it not being mentioned in the old testament that the messiah would be a god? The old testament makes it clear that Christianity is a monotheistic faith yet the new testament makes it clear (despite the denial of the deluded) that Christianity is a polytheistic religion.

Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Christianity disproved. Simple stuff.

You are correct,, that is the Jewish position. According to the Jews, Jesus was not prophesied in the Old Testament. But Jesus became the saviour of the Gentiles and the New Testament makes that clear. So what you are doing is rehashing the rejection of Jesus by the Jews.But that hardly weakens the Christian position who follow the 4 Gospel accounts of Jesus and Pauline Theology.
There are plenty of contradictions and distorations in the New Testament you can point to that delegitimizes Jesus without dragging the Jews in your quarrel with Christians. Lol!

It's true other ways of disproving Christianity exist but using Jewish positions to disprove Christianity is a legitimate strategy. Christianity begun as a cult of Judaism.

But that is blaming Jews for what Christians think. The Christians picked up what the Jews rejected and made Jesus a God, Christ, Messiah. We know Jesus was an illegitimate Jewish bastard, never held a job and never married. He died a pauper and was buried in a borrowed tomb which was vacated after 3 days when the owner discovered Jesus was a fake. The Christians are on their own when they exhalt a deluded Jewish rabbi to the status of God. Jesus was crucified by the Romans along with criminals, failed to save the Jews he was sent to save and declared in the midst of Roman occupation of the holy land that he was not sent to bring peace but sought the destruction of the traditional family. These are not the musings of Jews. These are the arguments Christians used to gather likeminded people to join them to worship a dead Jewish corpse nailed to a wooden cross to whom all authority over heaven and earth was given. Those are power delusions only matched by the man who was crucified for having them.
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10/24/2016 1:52:25 PM
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At 10/23/2016 3:03:02 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Why is the messiah prophesied in the old testament so much more successful than the false messiah Jesus whoalso claimed to be the son of Yawheh despite it not being mentioned in the old testament that the messiah would be a god? The old testament makes it clear that Christianity is a monotheistic faith yet the new testament makes it clear (despite the denial of the deluded) that Christianity is a polytheistic religion.

Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Christianity disproved. Simple stuff.

i think hakrish said exactly the same and was wrong, wondered where you went...lol
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10/24/2016 2:34:52 PM
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Where is Immanuel from the alleged prophesies?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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10/24/2016 8:53:55 PM
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At 10/24/2016 1:52:25 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:03:02 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Why is the messiah prophesied in the old testament so much more successful than the false messiah Jesus whoalso claimed to be the son of Yawheh despite it not being mentioned in the old testament that the messiah would be a god? The old testament makes it clear that Christianity is a monotheistic faith yet the new testament makes it clear (despite the denial of the deluded) that Christianity is a polytheistic religion.

Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Christianity disproved. Simple stuff.

i think hakrish said exactly the same and was wrong, wondered where you went...lol

Yes I did make the exact points which I quoted from: "Why don't Jews believe in Jesus?" But I wasn't going to accuse Chole8 of copying my pos. I am sure she does her own research.

MESSIANIC PROPHECIES.

What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:

A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world"on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.
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10/24/2016 9:14:35 PM
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At 10/23/2016 3:03:02 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

Yes, or I would rather ay, God builds and Jesus is the corner stone:

Don't you know that you are a temple of God, and that God's Spirit lives in you?
1 Corinthians 3:16
For in him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily,
Colossians 2:9
Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." The Jews therefore said, "Forty-six years was this temple in building, and will you raise it up in three days?" But he spoke of the temple of his body.
John 2:19-21

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

It is God speaking and God doing, not any man in that.

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

I think so, but the process is little slow. :)

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

I think that is also going on, although Bible is known in many places already.

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Isaiah 11:1-9 -> Doesn"t say Messiah is direct descendant of David.
Jeremiah 23:5-6 -> Seems to be about Solomon, not abut Messiah.
Jeremiah 30:7-10 -> "But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them." Isn"t that about David, not about son of David?
Jeremiah 33:14-16 -> Solomon?
Ezekiel 34:11-31 -> Is about God and David.
Ezekiel 37:21-28 -> This also tells about God raising David to be king of Israel, not about son of David.
Hosea 3:4-5 -> This also tells about God raising David to be king of Israel, not about son of David.

And then maybe you could answer to this question that Jesus asked:

David himself says in the book of Psalms, 'The Lord said to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand, Until I make your enemies the footstool of your feet."' "David therefore calls him Lord, so how is he his son?"
Luke 20:42-44

I have not seen any answer to that, and it is about 2000 years old question. Probably you also ignore it.
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10/24/2016 10:02:05 PM
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At 10/24/2016 9:52:06 AM, ethang5 wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:03:02 PM, Clown8 wrote:

Jhn 5:46 - For had you believed Moses, you would have believed me: for Moses wrote of me.
-His Omnipotent Majesty, King Jesus

Please quote the passage where Moses talks of Jesus
It's not surprising someone claiming to be a messiah claims that they are the messiah prophesied. However as I demonstrate later in this thread Jesus is not the messiah prophesied in the old testament. Your belief Jesus in omnipotent is not proof of his omnipotence.


Why is the messiah prophesied in the old testament so much more successful than the false messiah Jesus whoalso claimed to be the son of Yawheh despite it not being mentioned in the old testament that the messiah would be a god? The old testament makes it clear that Christianity is a monotheistic faith yet the new testament makes it clear (despite the denial of the deluded) that Christianity is a polytheistic religion.

Poly means more than one....

Correct.

Gal 3:20 - Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Mar 12:29 - And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:32 - And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
1Co 8:4 - .... we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

Perhaps Christians believe there is one God because they, unlike you, can read?

It's true the new testament authors tried to tie their cult to the Jewish faith but it's fairly easy to see that the two religions are incompatible if you look hard enough.

Nowhere in the old testament is the messiah said to be divine. Yet we read in the new testament:

John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 5:18, "For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."

John 20:28, "Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

Matt. 2:11, "And they came into the house and saw the Child with Mary His mother; and they fell down and worshiped Him; and opening their treasures they presented to Him gifts of gold and frankincense and myrrh."

Matt. 28:9, "And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him."

Jesus is described as a god and worshipped like a god in the bible. Christianity has two god's, Yawheh and Jesus.

Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

The supposed messiah would fulfill this prophecy. If Judaism is true it will happen one day but as Jesus was not a real messiah he failed to fulfill this prophecy and was executed by the Romans at the request of Jewish authorities due to his false claims of being the messiah of the old testament.

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

The messiah of the old testament Is supposed to fulfill this prophecy. Jesus failed to do so and therefore can not be a real messiah unless you accept Yawheh intentionally placed prophecies in the old testament that he never intended to see fulfilled?

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

Jesus failed to fulfill this prophecy.

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Yes. This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

Jesus died and failed to fulfill this prophecy.

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

Jesus is dead. There are people who have never heard of Christianity. Therefore either Yawheh knowingly placed false information in the old testament or Jesus is not a real messiah.

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

The date was supposedly the arrival of the messiah. Christianity claims the messiah arrived 2, 000 years ago yet numerous prophecies are unfulfilled.

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Stop being an idiot. The prophesy says Jesus would be a descendant of David, and He is a descendant of David.

How can Jesus be a descendant of David if Yawheh is his father?

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Sure, you gloss over all the prophesies Jesus has fulfilled and pretend that the ones still in the future have failed. If your case is so good, why do you have to lie?

I don't have to dispute whether Jesus fulfilled other prophecies. I could choose to do so and I might one day but why not focus on the ones that I can demonstrate he didn't fulfill?

You don't even dispute they are unfulfilled. When claiming to be a messiah you can't pick and choose which prophecies to fulfill. A REAL messiah fulfills all prophecies.

Christianity disproved. Simple stuff.

For the simple minded yes. So you join the I.D.I.O.T (International Delegation of Imbeciles Opposing Theology), with the likes of Hari Krishna and BoG, who use the truth of Bible verses to say that the Bible is false. Smart isn't that? The way you support your claim that the Bible is false, is by showing it is true!

No wonder the call you clown8.

You don't like me because I attack your religion and showcase it's flaws while demonstrating easy ways to disprove it. It's quite funny that you are reduced to statements like:

"No wonder they call you clown8"

When you are the only person in my life ever to refer to me by such a name. Most people call me Chloe. Haha

Why not show everyone how you can make the philosophy forum the most active forum on DDO through your incredible intellectual contributions to it as you claimed in that silly thread about usernames?

Or would you fail just like Jesus failed to fulfill the prophecy of Isaiah 2:4?

Give it a go, follow the example of your hero and attempt what appears to be nearly impossible.

Let's see how it goes. It will be fun watching (and not posting).
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10/24/2016 10:40:17 PM
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At 10/24/2016 9:14:35 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:03:02 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

Yes, or I would rather ay, God builds and Jesus is the corner stone:

Don't you know that you are a temple of God, and that God's Spirit lives in you?
1 Corinthians 3:16
For in him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily,
Colossians 2:9
Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." The Jews therefore said, "Forty-six years was this temple in building, and will you raise it up in three days?" But he spoke of the temple of his body.
John 2:19-21

Your quoting the new testament which obviously attempts to cover up the failure of Jesus to build the third temple, a physical building in Israel.

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

It is God speaking and God doing, not any man in that.

The timing of the arrival of the messiah should coincide with when this event happens or at least be reasonably close. 2, 000 years can't pass in between. The alleged messiah was executed by humans 2, 000 years ago.

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

I think so, but the process is little slow. :)

False. The amount of wars and violence since the time of Jesus makes what happened before appear trivial. The biggest conflict in human history occurred 2, 000 years after you claim Jesus fulfilled this prophecy. Your claim is simply delusional.

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

I think that is also going on, although Bible is known in many places already.

Yet many people around the world have not heard of Christianity and Christianity has the same characteristics as other religions in terms of most of its adherents living together in select parts of the world. Clearly 2, 000 years later we can demonstrate Jesus failed to fulfill this prophecy.

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Isaiah 11:1-9 -> Doesn"t say Messiah is direct descendant of David.

Oh yes it does.

Isaiah 11:1

"And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots"

Jeremiah 23:5-6 -> Seems to be about Solomon, not abut Messiah.

Are you being serious?

5 "The days are coming," declares the Lord,
"when I will raise up for David[a] a righteous Branch,
a King who will reign wisely
and do what is just and right in the land.
6 In his days Judah will be saved
and Israel will live in safety.
This is the name by which he will be called:
The Lord Our Righteous Savior.

Don't be silly. This is CLEARLY about the messiah.

Jeremiah 30:7-10 -> "But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them." Isn"t that about David, not about son of David?

Maybe you need to read Jeremiah 30:1-6 as well to make it more clear.

Jeremiah 33:14-16 -> Solomon?
Ezekiel 34:11-31 -> Is about God and David.
Ezekiel 37:21-28 -> This also tells about God raising David to be king of Israel, not about son of David.
Hosea 3:4-5 -> This also tells about God raising David to be king of Israel, not about son of David.

Look in more detail and you will find in each case Christian bible commentators agree with me. Each of these verses clearly link the messiah to being a descendant of David. You are trying to bend scripture to get out of a hole. It won't work.

And then maybe you could answer to this question that Jesus asked:

David himself says in the book of Psalms, 'The Lord said to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand, Until I make your enemies the footstool of your feet."' "David therefore calls him Lord, so how is he his son?"
Luke 20:42-44

The point is the original prophecy was that the messiah would be a descendant of David. What is written afterwards in the new testament is irrelevant as the crucial information is found in the old testament. If Jesus is not the real messiah it's irrelevant what is claimed afterwards. People making up stories of David (a man who died centuries earlier) talking about Jesus is irrelevant. Jesus was not the messiah.

I have not seen any answer to that, and it is about 2000 years old question. Probably you also ignore it.

What you have to grasp is if Christianity is a cult of Judaism as I can demonstrate by the failure of Jesus to fulfill old testament prophecy obviously the new testament has no validity or divine influence and should be dismissed as irrelevant in this discussion. You need to explain the failure of Jesus to fulfill prophecy before we even get to this discussion.
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10/24/2016 10:47:01 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/24/2016 1:36:42 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/23/2016 9:36:18 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 10/23/2016 8:53:48 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:03:02 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Why is the messiah prophesied in the old testament so much more successful than the false messiah Jesus whoalso claimed to be the son of Yawheh despite it not being mentioned in the old testament that the messiah would be a god? The old testament makes it clear that Christianity is a monotheistic faith yet the new testament makes it clear (despite the denial of the deluded) that Christianity is a polytheistic religion.

Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Christianity disproved. Simple stuff.

You are correct,, that is the Jewish position. According to the Jews, Jesus was not prophesied in the Old Testament. But Jesus became the saviour of the Gentiles and the New Testament makes that clear. So what you are doing is rehashing the rejection of Jesus by the Jews.But that hardly weakens the Christian position who follow the 4 Gospel accounts of Jesus and Pauline Theology.
There are plenty of contradictions and distorations in the New Testament you can point to that delegitimizes Jesus without dragging the Jews in your quarrel with Christians. Lol!

It's true other ways of disproving Christianity exist but using Jewish positions to disprove Christianity is a legitimate strategy. Christianity begun as a cult of Judaism.

But that is blaming Jews for what Christians think. The Christians picked up what the Jews rejected and made Jesus a God, Christ, Messiah. We know Jesus was an illegitimate Jewish bastard, never held a job and never married. He died a pauper and was buried in a borrowed tomb which was vacated after 3 days when the owner discovered Jesus was a fake. The Christians are on their own when they exhalt a deluded Jewish rabbi to the status of God. Jesus was crucified by the Romans along with criminals, failed to save the Jews he was sent to save and declared in the midst of Roman occupation of the holy land that he was not sent to bring peace but sought the destruction of the traditional family. These are not the musings of Jews. These are the arguments Christians used to gather likeminded people to join them to worship a dead Jewish corpse nailed to a wooden cross to whom all authority over heaven and earth was given. Those are power delusions only matched by the man who was crucified for having them.

How is it blaming Jews?
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10/24/2016 10:52:40 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/24/2016 1:52:25 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:03:02 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Why is the messiah prophesied in the old testament so much more successful than the false messiah Jesus whoalso claimed to be the son of Yawheh despite it not being mentioned in the old testament that the messiah would be a god? The old testament makes it clear that Christianity is a monotheistic faith yet the new testament makes it clear (despite the denial of the deluded) that Christianity is a polytheistic religion.

Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Christianity disproved. Simple stuff.

i think hakrish said exactly the same and was wrong, wondered where you went...lol

Your claims of refuting arguments made in alleged historical threads I'm unaware of do not have any validity in this discussion. If countering these arguments is so easy why not give it a try?
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10/25/2016 7:31:12 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/24/2016 8:53:55 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/24/2016 1:52:25 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:03:02 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Why is the messiah prophesied in the old testament so much more successful than the false messiah Jesus whoalso claimed to be the son of Yawheh despite it not being mentioned in the old testament that the messiah would be a god? The old testament makes it clear that Christianity is a monotheistic faith yet the new testament makes it clear (despite the denial of the deluded) that Christianity is a polytheistic religion.

Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Christianity disproved. Simple stuff.

i think hakrish said exactly the same and was wrong, wondered where you went...lol

Yes I did make the exact points which I quoted from: "Why don't Jews believe in Jesus?" But I wasn't going to accuse Chole8 of copying my pos. I am sure she does her own research.

MESSIANIC PROPHECIES.

What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:

A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world"on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.

the jews are still waiting for their returning messiah....
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10/25/2016 7:32:27 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/24/2016 10:52:40 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 10/24/2016 1:52:25 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:03:02 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Why is the messiah prophesied in the old testament so much more successful than the false messiah Jesus whoalso claimed to be the son of Yawheh despite it not being mentioned in the old testament that the messiah would be a god? The old testament makes it clear that Christianity is a monotheistic faith yet the new testament makes it clear (despite the denial of the deluded) that Christianity is a polytheistic religion.

Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Christianity disproved. Simple stuff.

i think hakrish said exactly the same and was wrong, wondered where you went...lol

Your claims of refuting arguments made in alleged historical threads I'm unaware of do not have any validity in this discussion. If countering these arguments is so easy why not give it a try?

no worries...
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10/25/2016 8:13:02 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/24/2016 9:52:06 AM, ethang5 wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:03:02 PM, Clown8 wrote:

Jhn 5:46 - For had you believed Moses, you would have believed me: for Moses wrote of me.
-His Omnipotent Majesty, King Jesus

Why is the messiah prophesied in the old testament so much more successful than the false messiah Jesus whoalso claimed to be the son of Yawheh despite it not being mentioned in the old testament that the messiah would be a god? The old testament makes it clear that Christianity is a monotheistic faith yet the new testament makes it clear (despite the denial of the deluded) that Christianity is a polytheistic religion.

Poly means more than one....

Gal 3:20 - Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Mar 12:29 - And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:32 - And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
1Co 8:4 - .... we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

Perhaps Christians believe there is one God because they, unlike you, can read?

Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Yes. This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Stop being an idiot. The prophesy says Jesus would be a descendant of David, and He is a descendant of David.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Sure, you gloss over all the prophesies Jesus has fulfilled and pretend that the ones still in the future have failed. If your case is so good, why do you have to lie?

Christianity disproved. Simple stuff.

For the simple minded yes. So you join the I.D.I.O.T (International Delegation of Imbeciles Opposing Theology), with the likes of Hari Krishna and BoG, who use the truth of Bible verses to say that the Bible is false. Smart isn't that? The way you support your claim that the Bible is false, is by showing it is true!

No wonder the call you clown8.

What is the date by/on which all these prophecies will be fulfilled?
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10/25/2016 8:56:32 AM
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Hold on people, Does thou forget, Harry Potter defeated the dark lord (he who shall not be named).

The book said it, therefore it's true, also I wrote a book that said Dragons live among us but they just can't be seen cause they live in a different plane of reality.
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10/25/2016 11:50:51 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 7:31:12 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/24/2016 8:53:55 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/24/2016 1:52:25 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:03:02 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Why is the messiah prophesied in the old testament so much more successful than the false messiah Jesus whoalso claimed to be the son of Yawheh despite it not being mentioned in the old testament that the messiah would be a god? The old testament makes it clear that Christianity is a monotheistic faith yet the new testament makes it clear (despite the denial of the deluded) that Christianity is a polytheistic religion.

Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Christianity disproved. Simple stuff.

i think hakrish said exactly the same and was wrong, wondered where you went...lol

Yes I did make the exact points which I quoted from: "Why don't Jews believe in Jesus?" But I wasn't going to accuse Chole8 of copying my pos. I am sure she does her own research.

MESSIANIC PROPHECIES.

What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:

A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world"on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.

the jews are still waiting for their returning messiah....

You don't read too good. The Jew are waiting for their true messiah. They put the fake one away. It's the Christians who are waiting for their returning messiah. What a moron!!
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10/25/2016 5:03:59 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 11:50:51 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/25/2016 7:31:12 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/24/2016 8:53:55 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/24/2016 1:52:25 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:03:02 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Why is the messiah prophesied in the old testament so much more successful than the false messiah Jesus whoalso claimed to be the son of Yawheh despite it not being mentioned in the old testament that the messiah would be a god? The old testament makes it clear that Christianity is a monotheistic faith yet the new testament makes it clear (despite the denial of the deluded) that Christianity is a polytheistic religion.

Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Christianity disproved. Simple stuff.

i think hakrish said exactly the same and was wrong, wondered where you went...lol

Yes I did make the exact points which I quoted from: "Why don't Jews believe in Jesus?" But I wasn't going to accuse Chole8 of copying my pos. I am sure she does her own research.

MESSIANIC PROPHECIES.

What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:

A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world"on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.

the jews are still waiting for their returning messiah....

You don't read too good. The Jew are waiting for their true messiah. They put the fake one away. It's the Christians who are waiting for their returning messiah. What a moron!!

the Christians are waiting for their returning messiah, the jews are waiting for their messiah....

i wish i had some crayons I could make a pretty picture that even you could understand.....lol
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10/25/2016 5:08:00 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 5:03:59 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/25/2016 11:50:51 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/25/2016 7:31:12 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/24/2016 8:53:55 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/24/2016 1:52:25 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:03:02 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Why is the messiah prophesied in the old testament so much more successful than the false messiah Jesus whoalso claimed to be the son of Yawheh despite it not being mentioned in the old testament that the messiah would be a god? The old testament makes it clear that Christianity is a monotheistic faith yet the new testament makes it clear (despite the denial of the deluded) that Christianity is a polytheistic religion.

Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Christianity disproved. Simple stuff.

i think hakrish said exactly the same and was wrong, wondered where you went...lol

Yes I did make the exact points which I quoted from: "Why don't Jews believe in Jesus?" But I wasn't going to accuse Chole8 of copying my pos. I am sure she does her own research.

MESSIANIC PROPHECIES.

What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:

A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world"on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.

the jews are still waiting for their returning messiah....

You don't read too good. The Jew are waiting for their true messiah. They put the fake one away. It's the Christians who are waiting for their returning messiah. What a moron!!

the Christians are waiting for their returning messiah, the jews are waiting for their messiah....

i wish i had some crayons I could make a pretty picture that even you could understand.....lol
No you couldn't. You couldn't draw a picture that you could understand.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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10/25/2016 8:38:14 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 5:03:59 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/25/2016 11:50:51 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/25/2016 7:31:12 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/24/2016 8:53:55 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/24/2016 1:52:25 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:03:02 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Why is the messiah prophesied in the old testament so much more successful than the false messiah Jesus whoalso claimed to be the son of Yawheh despite it not being mentioned in the old testament that the messiah would be a god? The old testament makes it clear that Christianity is a monotheistic faith yet the new testament makes it clear (despite the denial of the deluded) that Christianity is a polytheistic religion.

Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Christianity disproved. Simple stuff.

i think hakrish said exactly the same and was wrong, wondered where you went...lol

Yes I did make the exact points which I quoted from: "Why don't Jews believe in Jesus?" But I wasn't going to accuse Chole8 of copying my pos. I am sure she does her own research.

MESSIANIC PROPHECIES.

What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:

A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world"on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.

the jews are still waiting for their returning messiah....

You don't read too good. The Jew are waiting for their true messiah. They put the fake one away. It's the Christians who are waiting for their returning messiah. What a moron!!

the Christians are waiting for their returning messiah, the jews are waiting for their messiah....

i wish i had some crayons I could make a pretty picture that even you could understand.....lol

The Jews are waiting for the real messiah. They put the fake one away. It's the Christians who are waiting for their returning messiah. What a moron!!
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10/25/2016 8:39:44 PM
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At 10/25/2016 8:38:14 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:03:59 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/25/2016 11:50:51 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/25/2016 7:31:12 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/24/2016 8:53:55 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/24/2016 1:52:25 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:03:02 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Why is the messiah prophesied in the old testament so much more successful than the false messiah Jesus whoalso claimed to be the son of Yawheh despite it not being mentioned in the old testament that the messiah would be a god? The old testament makes it clear that Christianity is a monotheistic faith yet the new testament makes it clear (despite the denial of the deluded) that Christianity is a polytheistic religion.

Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Christianity disproved. Simple stuff.

i think hakrish said exactly the same and was wrong, wondered where you went...lol

Yes I did make the exact points which I quoted from: "Why don't Jews believe in Jesus?" But I wasn't going to accuse Chole8 of copying my pos. I am sure she does her own research.

MESSIANIC PROPHECIES.

What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:

A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world"on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.

the jews are still waiting for their returning messiah....

You don't read too good. The Jew are waiting for their true messiah. They put the fake one away. It's the Christians who are waiting for their returning messiah. What a moron!!

the Christians are waiting for their returning messiah, the jews are waiting for their messiah....

i wish i had some crayons I could make a pretty picture that even you could understand.....lol

The Jews are waiting for the real messiah. They put the fake one away. It's the Christians who are waiting for their returning messiah. What a moron!!

they think they are but they don;t believe they had the true messiah crucified....

yet some Jews know the truth....
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10/25/2016 9:27:55 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/24/2016 10:40:17 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Your quoting the new testament which obviously attempts to cover up the failure of Jesus to build the third temple, a physical building in Israel.

The temple God founded through Jesus is physical, because of the people that forms the temple are physical.

The timing of the arrival of the messiah should coincide with when this event happens or at least be reasonably close. 2, 000 years can't pass in between.

I think you misinterpret the scriptures. And also, when Jesus was on earth, Jews were not scattered from Israel, it happened later.

False. The amount of wars and violence since the time of Jesus makes what happened before appear trivial. The biggest conflict in human history occurred 2, 000 years after you claim Jesus fulfilled this prophecy.

And even beiger conflict is coming. When Jesus was last time on earth, it was not yet the time of the end of this world. It is coming and then the rest of the prophesies will be fulfilled. I think you are greatly wrong, if you think it should have already happened.

" later we can demonstrate Jesus failed to fulfill this prophecy.

I think that is not true.

Isaiah 11:1-9 -> Doesn"t say Messiah is direct descendant of David.

Oh yes it does.

Isaiah 11:1

"And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots"

So clearly you are not any literalist, when you think your interpretations are the truth.

Don't be silly. This is CLEARLY about the messiah.

No it"s not. :)

Look in more detail and you will find in each case Christian bible commentators agree with me. Each of these verses clearly link the messiah to being a descendant of David. You are trying to bend scripture to get out of a hole. It won't work.

But they also are only humans and errare humanum est. :)

It doesn"t matter what commentators say, when the Bible says otherwise.

David himself says in the book of Psalms, 'The Lord said to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand, Until I make your enemies the footstool of your feet."' "David therefore calls him Lord, so how is he his son?"
Luke 20:42-44

The point is the original prophecy was that the messiah would be a descendant of David. What is written afterwards in the new testament is irrelevant as the crucial information is found in the old testament. If Jesus is not the real messiah it's irrelevant what is claimed afterwards. People making up stories of David (a man who died centuries earlier) talking about Jesus is irrelevant. Jesus was not the messiah.

In that Jesus is referring to Psalm 110:1. So it is relevant question about OT teaching and Jews ignored it and you also will not have any good answer to that.
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10/25/2016 9:51:05 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 8:39:44 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/25/2016 8:38:14 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:03:59 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/25/2016 11:50:51 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/25/2016 7:31:12 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/24/2016 8:53:55 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/24/2016 1:52:25 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:03:02 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Why is the messiah prophesied in the old testament so much more successful than the false messiah Jesus whoalso claimed to be the son of Yawheh despite it not being mentioned in the old testament that the messiah would be a god? The old testament makes it clear that Christianity is a monotheistic faith yet the new testament makes it clear (despite the denial of the deluded) that Christianity is a polytheistic religion.

Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Christianity disproved. Simple stuff.

i think hakrish said exactly the same and was wrong, wondered where you went...lol

Yes I did make the exact points which I quoted from: "Why don't Jews believe in Jesus?" But I wasn't going to accuse Chole8 of copying my pos. I am sure she does her own research.

MESSIANIC PROPHECIES.

What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:

A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world"on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.

the jews are still waiting for their returning messiah....

You don't read too good. The Jew are waiting for their true messiah. They put the fake one away. It's the Christians who are waiting for their returning messiah. What a moron!!

the Christians are waiting for their returning messiah, the jews are waiting for their messiah....

i wish i had some crayons I could make a pretty picture that even you could understand.....lol

The Jews are waiting for the real messiah. They put the fake one away. It's the Christians who are waiting for their returning messiah. What a moron!!

they think they are but they don;t believe they had the true messiah crucified....

They is why they had Jesus crucified.

Deuteronomy 18:20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death."
yet some Jews know the truth....

But most Christians were taken and even after 2000 years wait for the return of Jesus as he had promised.
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10/25/2016 9:53:20 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 9:51:05 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/25/2016 8:39:44 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/25/2016 8:38:14 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:03:59 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/25/2016 11:50:51 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/25/2016 7:31:12 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/24/2016 8:53:55 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/24/2016 1:52:25 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:03:02 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Why is the messiah prophesied in the old testament so much more successful than the false messiah Jesus whoalso claimed to be the son of Yawheh despite it not being mentioned in the old testament that the messiah would be a god? The old testament makes it clear that Christianity is a monotheistic faith yet the new testament makes it clear (despite the denial of the deluded) that Christianity is a polytheistic religion.

Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Christianity disproved. Simple stuff.

i think hakrish said exactly the same and was wrong, wondered where you went...lol

Yes I did make the exact points which I quoted from: "Why don't Jews believe in Jesus?" But I wasn't going to accuse Chole8 of copying my pos. I am sure she does her own research.

MESSIANIC PROPHECIES.

What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:

A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world"on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.

the jews are still waiting for their returning messiah....

You don't read too good. The Jew are waiting for their true messiah. They put the fake one away. It's the Christians who are waiting for their returning messiah. What a moron!!

the Christians are waiting for their returning messiah, the jews are waiting for their messiah....

i wish i had some crayons I could make a pretty picture that even you could understand.....lol

The Jews are waiting for the real messiah. They put the fake one away. It's the Christians who are waiting for their returning messiah. What a moron!!

they think they are but they don;t believe they had the true messiah crucified....

They is why they had Jesus crucified.

Deuteronomy 18:20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death."
yet some Jews know the truth....

But most Christians were taken and even after 2000 years wait for the return of Jesus as he had promised.

Christians have not been taken, they await the return. 2000 years or more makes no difference...........
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10/25/2016 10:28:09 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 9:27:55 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 10/24/2016 10:40:17 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Your quoting the new testament which obviously attempts to cover up the failure of Jesus to build the third temple, a physical building in Israel.

The temple God founded through Jesus is physical, because of the people that forms the temple are physical.

False. Christians don't even use temple's as places of worship and the cult claiming Jesus is a real messiah is known as the Church (although it currently has over 33, 000 versions).

The timing of the arrival of the messiah should coincide with when this event happens or at least be reasonably close. 2, 000 years can't pass in between.

I think you misinterpret the scriptures. And also, when Jesus was on earth, Jews were not scattered from Israel, it happened later.

The Jews universally rejected Jesus at the time because he was a false messiah. He certainly failed to gather them back to Israel because they didn't even believe he was the messiah.

False. The amount of wars and violence since the time of Jesus makes what happened before appear trivial. The biggest conflict in human history occurred 2, 000 years after you claim Jesus fulfilled this prophecy.

And even beiger conflict is coming. When Jesus was last time on earth, it was not yet the time of the end of this world. It is coming and then the rest of the prophesies will be fulfilled. I think you are greatly wrong, if you think it should have already happened.

I can assure you that Jesus is dead and will not be returning. The failed prophecy he made about his imminent return (Matthew 16: 27, 28) is proof he was not a real messiah (unless you think it's possible he would lie).

Good luck in quoting the old testament verse where it says two comings are neccessary. Because such scripture is non existent. The true messiah of the old testament fulfills are prophecy in one visit or is considered a false messiah by the old testament itself.

" later we can demonstrate Jesus failed to fulfill this prophecy.

I think that is not true.

Isaiah 11:1-9 -> Doesn"t say Messiah is direct descendant of David.

Oh yes it does.

Isaiah 11:1

"And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots"

So clearly you are not any literalist, when you think your interpretations are the truth.

Most Christian biblical scholars agree with my interpretation of this verse and disagree with yours. Thats all I need to say.

Don't be silly. This is CLEARLY about the messiah.

No it"s not. :)

Look in more detail and you will find in each case Christian bible commentators agree with me. Each of these verses clearly link the messiah to being a descendant of David. You are trying to bend scripture to get out of a hole. It won't work.

But they also are only humans and errare humanum est. :)

Your also a human. What makes your interpretation right and me and all the experts in bible interpretation (who are Christians) wrong?

It doesn"t matter what commentators say, when the Bible says otherwise.

Then what does the verse say in your opinion?

David himself says in the book of Psalms, 'The Lord said to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand, Until I make your enemies the footstool of your feet."' "David therefore calls him Lord, so how is he his son?"
Luke 20:42-44

The point is the original prophecy was that the messiah would be a descendant of David. What is written afterwards in the new testament is irrelevant as the crucial information is found in the old testament. If Jesus is not the real messiah it's irrelevant what is claimed afterwards. People making up stories of David (a man who died centuries earlier) talking about Jesus is irrelevant. Jesus was not the messiah.

In that Jesus is referring to Psalm 110:1. So it is relevant question about OT teaching and Jews ignored it and you also will not have any good answer to that.

My answer to this is the messiah would have a higher standing then David according to the old testament so it's not surprising that David acknowledges this fact. It is not stated that the messiah is a son of David but a descendant of David. The two were never supposed to be involved in a conventional father and son relationship according to the old testament.
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10/26/2016 9:33:18 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/24/2016 10:02:05 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 10/24/2016 9:52:06 AM, ethang5 wrote:

Jhn 5:46 - For had you believed Moses, you would have believed me: for Moses wrote of me.
-His Omnipotent Majesty, King Jesus

Please quote the passage where Moses talks of Jesus

Why? Jesus Himself said Moses spoke of Him. You, being irrational, would only dispute that the verses were about Jesus. I consider Jesus a tad more trustworthy than you.

It's not surprising someone claiming to be a messiah claims that they are the messiah prophesied.

It is also not surprising that the actual messiah would claim that He is the messiah prophesied.

However as I demonstrate later in this thread Jesus is not the messiah prophesied in the old testament.

You did no such thing. You simply irrationally concluded that future prophesies are failed because they are not currently fulfilled. You will find that stupidity will not aid you. If Jesus said He would return after the war of Armageddon for example, only an idiot would claim the prophesy had failed before the war had even started.

Your belief Jesus in omnipotent is not proof of his omnipotence.

And your belief that He isn't is not proof that He isn't either.

Why is the messiah prophesied in the old testament so much more successful than the false messiah.....

Your unfounded belief that Jesus was not the Messiah is what is tripping you up. Oh, and the dingbat idea that all prophesies have to be fulfilled at the same time. Garbage in, garbage out.

Jesus who also claimed to be the son of Yawheh despite it not being mentioned in the old testament that the messiah would be a god?

But Jesus is mentioned in the OT. And He is not mentioned as being "a" god because He isn't "a" god. He is God. Do you even know the Bible?

The old testament makes it clear that Christianity is a monotheistic faith yet the new testament makes it clear (despite the denial of the deluded) that Christianity is a polytheistic religion.

And I showed you a busload of verses from the old and new testament saying there is only one God. But logic is an impediment to your loony argument isn't it?

Poly means more than one....

Correct.

Gal 3:20 - Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

Mar 12:29 - And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:32 - And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
1Co 8:4 - .... we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

Perhaps Christians believe there is one God because they, unlike you, can read?

It's true the new testament authors tried to tie their cult to the Jewish faith but it's fairly easy to see that the two religions are incompatible if you look hard enough.

Stop being stupid. You said Christianity is poly. I show you tons of verses saying the opposite, and you simply ooze to another point? If you will ignore what the doctrine teaches, and simply make up your own opinion as if it's fact, then you aren't rational.

Nowhere in the old testament is the messiah said to be divine. Yet we read in the new testament:....

The OT calls Jesus even more than just divine. The OT calls Jesus God. Using the very word God. Again, do you know your Bible or are you simply parroting some half-baked atheist website?

Jesus is described as a god and worshipped like a god in the bible. Christianity has two god's, Yawheh and Jesus.

lol. Argument by declaration. Did it win you many arguments at atheist camp? Well clown8, here, you will have to back up your claims and earn your points. The Bible clearly says there is only one God. It says this many times. On what do you base your claim?

Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

The supposed messiah would fulfill this prophecy.

By a certain date. There are things which must occur first.

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

The messiah of the old testament Is supposed to fulfill this prophecy.

By a certain date. There are things which must occur first.

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

Jesus failed to fulfill this prophecy.

Being stupid won't help you, and when I beat you, I will remind you of this so it will aid you in the future. Prophesies are not all filled instantaneously. Stop being a idiot and you will not be so confused.

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Yes. This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

Jesus died and failed to fulfill this prophecy.

Jesus isn't dead.

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

Jesus is dead.

Really? So the verses saying He was crucified are right, but the verses saying He rose again are wrong? Good thing you have the Bible to cherry-pick to defend your loony argument huh?

There are people who have never heard of Christianity. Therefore either Yawheh knowingly placed false information in the old testament or Jesus is not a real messiah.

Or the prophesy is to be fulfilled in the future. People with low IQ tend to miss some of the logical options. Don't fret it.

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

The date was supposedly the arrival of the messiah.

Jesus is coming again. Perhaps you've heard of it?

Christianity claims the messiah arrived 2, 000 years ago yet numerous prophecies are unfulfilled.

Job said, "I know that my redeemer lives and will one day stand upon the Earth." That prophesy took almost 8,000 years to fulfill. Must God move within the time limit you set up? lol. Why are you moron atheists always so filled with hubris?

Most of the prophesies you say have failed are to happen after the Anti-christ, when evil and death have been defeated and Jesus sets up His everlasting Kingdom. That is a future event. Would you like to to define "future" for you?

But go on. You have nothing but silly conjecture based on your uninformed opinion. Excuse us if we do not treat your opinions as fact. We aren't afraid of reality, and don't have to pretend it resides between anyone ears.
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10/26/2016 9:38:42 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/24/2016 10:02:05 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 10/24/2016 9:52:06 AM, ethang5 wrote:

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Stop being an idiot. The prophesy says Jesus would be a descendant of David, and He is a descendant of David.

How can Jesus be a descendant of David if Yawheh is his father?

Because Yaweh is also the Father of David. Duh.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Proof of what? None of those verses say what you allege.

Sure, you gloss over all the prophesies Jesus has fulfilled and pretend that the ones still in the future have failed. If your case is so good, why do you have to lie?

I don't have to dispute whether Jesus fulfilled other prophecies.

lol. No you don't.

I could choose to do so and I might one day but why not focus on the ones that I can demonstrate he didn't fulfill?

So far, saying that a prophesy saying that Stan will be president is not failed till Stan is old enough to be president. Like an idiot, you want to call prophesies failed before they are due. Logic will be required of you here.

You don't even dispute they are unfulfilled.

I do dispute they are failed.

When claiming to be a messiah you can't pick and choose which prophecies to fulfill. A REAL messiah fulfills all prophecies.

In due time.

Christianity disproved. Simple stuff.

For the simple minded yes. So you join the I.D.I.O.T (International Delegation of Imbeciles Opposing Theology), with the likes of Hari Krishna and BoG, who use the truth of Bible verses to say that the Bible is false. Smart isn't that? The way you support your claim that the Bible is false, is by showing it is true!

No wonder the call you clown8.

You don't like me because I attack your religion and showcase it's flaws while demonstrating easy ways to disprove it.

Don't flatter yourself. I don't know you and you aren't important enough to rise to the level of earning my dislike. You're just another internet dweeb who thinks his cliched half-baked ideas about Christianity are original and devastating.

It's quite funny that you are reduced to statements like:

"No wonder they call you clown8"

I tend to call a spade, a spade. You are a clown. Your posts say so.

When you are the only person in my life ever to refer to me by such a name. Most people call me Chloe. Haha

Most people probably think "clown".

Why not show everyone how you can make the philosophy forum the most active forum on DDO through your incredible intellectual contributions to it as you claimed in that silly thread about usernames?

Read my answer why, it is there.

Or would you fail just like Jesus failed to fulfill the prophecy of Isaiah 2:4?

You now sound like Hari Krishna. I don't get angry or flustered. Save your stupidity. Just be logical. But so far, your argument is dead, unless you have some rebuttal for my claim that the prophesies are not yet due?

Give it a go, follow the example of your hero and attempt what appears to be nearly impossible.

I've already done it.

Let's see how it goes. It will be fun watching (and not posting).

You will be hiding. Because you're a troll and don't really want to debate anyone. You have no answers and you have no defense for the tripe you post. I will beat you, and then toss you for lolz for the entertainment pleasure of the Gentle Readers.

And if you run, I'll bushwhack you in yet another thread as you post the same old tired no defense claims your spewing here.
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10/26/2016 10:13:29 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/24/2016 9:52:06 AM, ethang5 wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:03:02 PM, Clown8 wrote:

Jhn 5:46 - For had you believed Moses, you would have believed me: for Moses wrote of me.
-His Omnipotent Majesty, King Jesus

Why is the messiah prophesied in the old testament so much more successful than the false messiah Jesus whoalso claimed to be the son of Yawheh despite it not being mentioned in the old testament that the messiah would be a god? The old testament makes it clear that Christianity is a monotheistic faith yet the new testament makes it clear (despite the denial of the deluded) that Christianity is a polytheistic religion.

Poly means more than one....

Gal 3:20 - Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Mar 12:29 - And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:32 - And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
1Co 8:4 - .... we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

Perhaps Christians believe there is one God because they, unlike you, can read?

Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Yes. This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Stop being an idiot. The prophesy says Jesus would be a descendant of David, and He is a descendant of David.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Sure, you gloss over all the prophesies Jesus has fulfilled and pretend that the ones still in the future have failed. If your case is so good, why do you have to lie?

Christianity disproved. Simple stuff.

For the simple minded yes. So you join the I.D.I.O.T (International Delegation of Imbeciles Opposing Theology), with the likes of Hari Krishna and BoG, who use the truth of Bible verses to say that the Bible is false. Smart isn't that? The way you support your claim that the Bible is false, is by showing it is true!

No wonder the call you clown8.

I'll try again. What is the date by/on which all these prophecies will be fulfilled?
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10/26/2016 10:21:21 AM
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At 10/25/2016 8:13:02 AM, desmac wrote:
At 10/24/2016 9:52:06 AM, ethang5 wrote:

Jhn 5:46 - For had you believed Moses, you would have believed me: for Moses wrote of me.
-His Omnipotent Majesty, King Jesus

Why is the messiah prophesied in the old testament so much more successful than the false messiah Jesus whoalso claimed to be the son of Yawheh despite it not being mentioned in the old testament that the messiah would be a god? The old testament makes it clear that Christianity is a monotheistic faith yet the new testament makes it clear (despite the denial of the deluded) that Christianity is a polytheistic religion.

Poly means more than one....

Gal 3:20 - Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Mar 12:29 - And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:32 - And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
1Co 8:4 - .... we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

Perhaps Christians believe there is one God because they, unlike you, can read?

Did Jesus build the Third Temple? (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6).

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease?

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Yes. This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one?

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)

This prophesy has a date. The date must arrive before you ask why it isn't fulfilled.

If there is any doubt remaining it is easy to dismiss Christianity as a false religion simply by pointing out Jesus is not a descendant of King David on the fathers side so cannot be the messiah.

Stop being an idiot. The prophesy says Jesus would be a descendant of David, and He is a descendant of David.

Read Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5 for proof.

Sure, you gloss over all the prophesies Jesus has fulfilled and pretend that the ones still in the future have failed. If your case is so good, why do you have to lie?

Christianity disproved. Simple stuff.

For the simple minded yes. So you join the I.D.I.O.T (International Delegation of Imbeciles Opposing Theology), with the likes of Hari Krishna and BoG, who use the truth of Bible verses to say that the Bible is false. Smart isn't that? The way you support your claim that the Bible is false, is by showing it is true!

No wonder the call you clown8.

What is the date by/on which all these prophecies will be fulfilled?

Jesus, speaking to His disciples, said,

Mat 19:28 - "Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

This was a prophesy. Would clown8 be correct if she claimed that the prophesy had failed while the regeneration had not yet occurred? First is the regeneration, then the Son of Man sits on His throne of Glory, and then you (the disciples) sit on your 12 thrones. Only an idiot would claim the prophesy has failed before the regeneration.

Clown8 can post such nonsense because 1, many of the posters here are atheist and therefore biased and will accept the blather she posts without any critical thought or checking of passages, and 2, she herself has a second-hand knowledge of the Bible and does not know the prophesied order of events.

If you want to logically criticize the Bible, read it. If you don't care to, don't critique. If you must criticize, and won't read it, then don't get your panties in a wad when you are rightfully called a moron.