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Chloe8
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10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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10/23/2016 4:31:37 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

Actually, the LXX, which existed prior to the Gospels, was the source of the mistranslation as "virgin", and so you would need some better evidence for that pagan connection.
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10/23/2016 5:08:55 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

An unmarried young woman at that time, in that culture would have been a virgin, it's therefore implied. Furthermore it's not her virginity that's important but rather the fact she became pregnant without a man's semen, that's what's recorded in the documents.
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10/23/2016 6:01:48 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 4:31:37 PM, SNP1 wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

Actually, the LXX, which existed prior to the Gospels, was the source of the mistranslation as "virgin", and so you would need some better evidence for that pagan connection.

Pagan religion was around at the time the LXX was compiled.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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10/23/2016 6:04:50 PM
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At 10/23/2016 5:08:55 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

An unmarried young woman at that time, in that culture would have been a virgin, it's therefore implied. Furthermore it's not her virginity that's important but rather the fact she became pregnant without a man's semen, that's what's recorded in the documents.

False. Lots of women (even if they were a minority) would have had sex before marriage. It's delusional to think every single person followed the practice of getting married before having sex.

The virginity is an important element in early Christianity to attract pagan conversions. That's why it was intentionally mistranslated.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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10/23/2016 6:45:02 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 5:08:55 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

An unmarried young woman at that time, in that culture would have been a virgin, it's therefore implied.

Would it be implied that if the young woman had a husband, it would be impossible for her to be a virgin?

Furthermore it's not her virginity that's important but rather the fact she became pregnant without a man's semen, that's what's recorded in the documents.

Adultery, by magic? LOL.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
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10/23/2016 7:05:46 PM
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At 10/23/2016 6:45:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/23/2016 5:08:55 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

An unmarried young woman at that time, in that culture would have been a virgin, it's therefore implied.

Would it be implied that if the young woman had a husband, it would be impossible for her to be a virgin?

After she was married yes but not until then, not for example during the betrothal period (which is what the text says, but then you never were one to be thorough were you DJR).


Furthermore it's not her virginity that's important but rather the fact she became pregnant without a man's semen, that's what's recorded in the documents.

Adultery, by magic? LOL.
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10/23/2016 7:09:59 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 5:08:55 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

An unmarried young woman at that time, in that culture would have been a virgin, it's therefore implied. Furthermore it's not her virginity that's important but rather the fact she became pregnant without a man's semen, that's what's recorded in the documents.
That's the claim, not the recording.
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10/23/2016 7:10:29 PM
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Matthew wanted to present Jesus as not simply a man. Being born of a virgin was a not uncommon motif in legends and myths as a mark of someone special and Matthew added the element of virgin birth to his gospel, as did Luke.

Matthew was also very keen on connecting Jesus with the OT in order to bolster the claim that Jesus was a Jewish Messiah. For that reason he co-opted some verses from Isaiah which in greek translation referred to a virgin birth and applied them to Jesus, completely ignoring their context. Quite likely he used the Greek LXX translation because as a Hellenised Jew he was unable to read the original Hebrew which uses the word 'Almah' (young woman) which had been mistranslated into Greeek as 'Parthenos'. Isaiah was probably the best or only passage he could find to use as a 'prophesy' of a virgin birth.

There are couple of other OT quotations in Matthew which seem quite odd. One of the most striking is the 'Slaughter of the Innocents', which seems to have no historical basis and serves only as an excuse to include a reference to Jeremiah 31. There are three or four others I won't detail here. Many lists of 'prophesies' on the internet are in fact only NT refences to OT texts.
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10/23/2016 7:45:24 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 7:09:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 5:08:55 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

An unmarried young woman at that time, in that culture would have been a virgin, it's therefore implied. Furthermore it's not her virginity that's important but rather the fact she became pregnant without a man's semen, that's what's recorded in the documents.
That's the claim, not the recording.

It's the recording, the New Testament is the most extant of all ancient documents from antiquity. The documents are more credible from a time consistency perspective than any other documents of comparable antiquity. I'm not arguing here that the story is therefore true, I'm arguing that the record we have today seems to be trustworthy so far as recording what the original author wrote down.

As for the story being true, well that cannot of course be proven unequivocally but then no story from antiquity can be.
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10/23/2016 7:46:29 PM
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At 10/23/2016 7:45:24 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:09:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 5:08:55 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

An unmarried young woman at that time, in that culture would have been a virgin, it's therefore implied. Furthermore it's not her virginity that's important but rather the fact she became pregnant without a man's semen, that's what's recorded in the documents.
That's the claim, not the recording.

It's the recording, the New Testament is the most extant of all ancient documents from antiquity. The documents are more credible from a time consistency perspective than any other documents of comparable antiquity. I'm not arguing here that the story is therefore true, I'm arguing that the record we have today seems to be trustworthy so far as recording what the original author wrote down.

As for the story being true, well that cannot of course be proven unequivocally but then no story from antiquity can be.
Who recorded it?
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10/23/2016 7:48:53 PM
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At 10/23/2016 7:46:29 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:45:24 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:09:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 5:08:55 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

An unmarried young woman at that time, in that culture would have been a virgin, it's therefore implied. Furthermore it's not her virginity that's important but rather the fact she became pregnant without a man's semen, that's what's recorded in the documents.
That's the claim, not the recording.

It's the recording, the New Testament is the most extant of all ancient documents from antiquity. The documents are more credible from a time consistency perspective than any other documents of comparable antiquity. I'm not arguing here that the story is therefore true, I'm arguing that the record we have today seems to be trustworthy so far as recording what the original author wrote down.

As for the story being true, well that cannot of course be proven unequivocally but then no story from antiquity can be.
Who recorded it?
BTW where is the supporting documentation for any of the NT but especially the zombie invasion of Jerusalem?
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10/23/2016 7:50:52 PM
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At 10/23/2016 7:48:53 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:46:29 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:45:24 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:09:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 5:08:55 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

An unmarried young woman at that time, in that culture would have been a virgin, it's therefore implied. Furthermore it's not her virginity that's important but rather the fact she became pregnant without a man's semen, that's what's recorded in the documents.
That's the claim, not the recording.

It's the recording, the New Testament is the most extant of all ancient documents from antiquity. The documents are more credible from a time consistency perspective than any other documents of comparable antiquity. I'm not arguing here that the story is therefore true, I'm arguing that the record we have today seems to be trustworthy so far as recording what the original author wrote down.

As for the story being true, well that cannot of course be proven unequivocally but then no story from antiquity can be.
Who recorded it?
BTW where is the supporting documentation for any of the NT but especially the zombie invasion of Jerusalem?

Can you be more specific? (or are you just being silly?)
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10/23/2016 7:57:09 PM
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At 10/23/2016 7:50:52 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:48:53 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:46:29 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:45:24 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:09:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 5:08:55 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

An unmarried young woman at that time, in that culture would have been a virgin, it's therefore implied. Furthermore it's not her virginity that's important but rather the fact she became pregnant without a man's semen, that's what's recorded in the documents.
That's the claim, not the recording.

It's the recording, the New Testament is the most extant of all ancient documents from antiquity. The documents are more credible from a time consistency perspective than any other documents of comparable antiquity. I'm not arguing here that the story is therefore true, I'm arguing that the record we have today seems to be trustworthy so far as recording what the original author wrote down.

As for the story being true, well that cannot of course be proven unequivocally but then no story from antiquity can be.
Who recorded it?
BTW where is the supporting documentation for any of the NT but especially the zombie invasion of Jerusalem?

Can you be more specific? (or are you just being silly?)
What do you find confusing about "who recorded it"
"The documents that are more credible"......... relate a zombie invasion of Jerusalem, do you have any supporting documentation of this most auspicious event?
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10/23/2016 8:04:07 PM
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At 10/23/2016 7:57:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:50:52 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:48:53 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:46:29 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:45:24 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:09:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 5:08:55 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

An unmarried young woman at that time, in that culture would have been a virgin, it's therefore implied. Furthermore it's not her virginity that's important but rather the fact she became pregnant without a man's semen, that's what's recorded in the documents.
That's the claim, not the recording.

It's the recording, the New Testament is the most extant of all ancient documents from antiquity. The documents are more credible from a time consistency perspective than any other documents of comparable antiquity. I'm not arguing here that the story is therefore true, I'm arguing that the record we have today seems to be trustworthy so far as recording what the original author wrote down.

As for the story being true, well that cannot of course be proven unequivocally but then no story from antiquity can be.
Who recorded it?
BTW where is the supporting documentation for any of the NT but especially the zombie invasion of Jerusalem?

Can you be more specific? (or are you just being silly?)
What do you find confusing about "who recorded it"

Nothing, why are you asking? It was you who disputed "that's what's recorded" remember?

"The documents that are more credible"......... relate a zombie invasion of Jerusalem, do you have any supporting documentation of this most auspicious event?

You seem to be having trouble with this subject, what I wrote was "The documents are more credible from a time consistency perspective" meaning (if I must spell it out fr you) that the text has been copied over many many centuries and these copies are hugely consistent. No other documents from antiquity have this degree of stability.

As for "zombies" what the hell are you smoking buddy?
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10/23/2016 8:08:43 PM
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At 10/23/2016 8:04:07 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:57:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:50:52 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:48:53 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:46:29 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:45:24 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:09:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 5:08:55 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

An unmarried young woman at that time, in that culture would have been a virgin, it's therefore implied. Furthermore it's not her virginity that's important but rather the fact she became pregnant without a man's semen, that's what's recorded in the documents.
That's the claim, not the recording.

It's the recording, the New Testament is the most extant of all ancient documents from antiquity. The documents are more credible from a time consistency perspective than any other documents of comparable antiquity. I'm not arguing here that the story is therefore true, I'm arguing that the record we have today seems to be trustworthy so far as recording what the original author wrote down.

As for the story being true, well that cannot of course be proven unequivocally but then no story from antiquity can be.
Who recorded it?
BTW where is the supporting documentation for any of the NT but especially the zombie invasion of Jerusalem?

Can you be more specific? (or are you just being silly?)
What do you find confusing about "who recorded it"

Nothing, why are you asking? It was you who disputed "that's what's recorded" remember?
So why can't you answer the question?

"The documents that are more credible"......... relate a zombie invasion of Jerusalem, do you have any supporting documentation of this most auspicious event?

You seem to be having trouble with this subject, what I wrote was "The documents are more credible from a time consistency perspective" meaning (if I must spell it out fr you) that the text has been copied over many many centuries and these copies are hugely consistent. No other documents from antiquity have this degree of stability.

As for "zombies" what the hell are you smoking buddy?
Haven't you read this alleged tome of history?
Your making a lot of noise for someone who hasn't even read the book.
The invasion occurred at a very significant time in this alleged history.
Do try to catch up.
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10/23/2016 8:13:15 PM
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At 10/23/2016 7:05:46 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 6:45:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/23/2016 5:08:55 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

An unmarried young woman at that time, in that culture would have been a virgin, it's therefore implied.

Would it be implied that if the young woman had a husband, it would be impossible for her to be a virgin?

After she was married yes but not until then

So, was Joseph her husband or not? Did they consummate their marriage or not?

not for example during the betrothal period (which is what the text says, but then you never were one to be thorough were you DJR).


Furthermore it's not her virginity that's important but rather the fact she became pregnant without a man's semen, that's what's recorded in the documents.

Adultery, by magic? LOL.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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10/23/2016 8:16:20 PM
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At 10/23/2016 8:08:43 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 8:04:07 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:57:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:50:52 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:48:53 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:46:29 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:45:24 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:09:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 5:08:55 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

An unmarried young woman at that time, in that culture would have been a virgin, it's therefore implied. Furthermore it's not her virginity that's important but rather the fact she became pregnant without a man's semen, that's what's recorded in the documents.
That's the claim, not the recording.

It's the recording, the New Testament is the most extant of all ancient documents from antiquity. The documents are more credible from a time consistency perspective than any other documents of comparable antiquity. I'm not arguing here that the story is therefore true, I'm arguing that the record we have today seems to be trustworthy so far as recording what the original author wrote down.

As for the story being true, well that cannot of course be proven unequivocally but then no story from antiquity can be.
Who recorded it?
BTW where is the supporting documentation for any of the NT but especially the zombie invasion of Jerusalem?

Can you be more specific? (or are you just being silly?)
What do you find confusing about "who recorded it"

Nothing, why are you asking? It was you who disputed "that's what's recorded" remember?
So why can't you answer the question?

"The documents that are more credible"......... relate a zombie invasion of Jerusalem, do you have any supporting documentation of this most auspicious event?

You seem to be having trouble with this subject, what I wrote was "The documents are more credible from a time consistency perspective" meaning (if I must spell it out fr you) that the text has been copied over many many centuries and these copies are hugely consistent. No other documents from antiquity have this degree of stability.

As for "zombies" what the hell are you smoking buddy?
Haven't you read this alleged tome of history?
Your making a lot of noise for someone who hasn't even read the book.
The invasion occurred at a very significant time in this alleged history.
Do try to catch up.

Which book refers to zombies? I'm getting tired of your juvenility.
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10/23/2016 8:17:08 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 8:13:15 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:05:46 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 6:45:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/23/2016 5:08:55 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

An unmarried young woman at that time, in that culture would have been a virgin, it's therefore implied.

Would it be implied that if the young woman had a husband, it would be impossible for her to be a virgin?

After she was married yes but not until then

So, was Joseph her husband or not? Did they consummate their marriage or not?

Can you read English or not? yes? well go and read then dumbo.


not for example during the betrothal period (which is what the text says, but then you never were one to be thorough were you DJR).


Furthermore it's not her virginity that's important but rather the fact she became pregnant without a man's semen, that's what's recorded in the documents.

Adultery, by magic? LOL.
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10/23/2016 8:20:46 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 8:17:08 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 8:13:15 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:05:46 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 6:45:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/23/2016 5:08:55 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

An unmarried young woman at that time, in that culture would have been a virgin, it's therefore implied.

Would it be implied that if the young woman had a husband, it would be impossible for her to be a virgin?

After she was married yes but not until then

So, was Joseph her husband or not? Did they consummate their marriage or not?

Can you read English or not? yes? well go and read then dumbo.

Ah, so you've confirmed Mary was NOT a virgin. More evidence of a faulty holy book. Thanks.


not for example during the betrothal period (which is what the text says, but then you never were one to be thorough were you DJR).


Furthermore it's not her virginity that's important but rather the fact she became pregnant without a man's semen, that's what's recorded in the documents.

Adultery, by magic? LOL.
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10/23/2016 8:20:47 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 8:16:20 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 8:08:43 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 8:04:07 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:57:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:50:52 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:48:53 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:46:29 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:45:24 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:09:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 5:08:55 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

An unmarried young woman at that time, in that culture would have been a virgin, it's therefore implied. Furthermore it's not her virginity that's important but rather the fact she became pregnant without a man's semen, that's what's recorded in the documents.
That's the claim, not the recording.

It's the recording, the New Testament is the most extant of all ancient documents from antiquity. The documents are more credible from a time consistency perspective than any other documents of comparable antiquity. I'm not arguing here that the story is therefore true, I'm arguing that the record we have today seems to be trustworthy so far as recording what the original author wrote down.

As for the story being true, well that cannot of course be proven unequivocally but then no story from antiquity can be.
Who recorded it?
BTW where is the supporting documentation for any of the NT but especially the zombie invasion of Jerusalem?

Can you be more specific? (or are you just being silly?)
What do you find confusing about "who recorded it"

Nothing, why are you asking? It was you who disputed "that's what's recorded" remember?
So why can't you answer the question?

"The documents that are more credible"......... relate a zombie invasion of Jerusalem, do you have any supporting documentation of this most auspicious event?

You seem to be having trouble with this subject, what I wrote was "The documents are more credible from a time consistency perspective" meaning (if I must spell it out fr you) that the text has been copied over many many centuries and these copies are hugely consistent. No other documents from antiquity have this degree of stability.

As for "zombies" what the hell are you smoking buddy?
Haven't you read this alleged tome of history?
Your making a lot of noise for someone who hasn't even read the book.
The invasion occurred at a very significant time in this alleged history.
Do try to catch up.

Which book refers to zombies? I'm getting tired of your juvenility.
All this time and you think we've been discussing Moby Dick?
FFS it's in the bible mate, fukin go and read it and come back.
You are still avoiding answering "who recorded it?"
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10/23/2016 8:25:38 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

No reason to doubt she was a virgin. She was unmarried and a young girl.. Sex outside marriage was taboo. Joseph her husband accept the Angels story and married Mary after the fact.
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10/23/2016 8:25:41 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 8:20:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/23/2016 8:17:08 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 8:13:15 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:05:46 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 6:45:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/23/2016 5:08:55 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

An unmarried young woman at that time, in that culture would have been a virgin, it's therefore implied.

Would it be implied that if the young woman had a husband, it would be impossible for her to be a virgin?

After she was married yes but not until then

So, was Joseph her husband or not? Did they consummate their marriage or not?

Can you read English or not? yes? well go and read then dumbo.

Ah, so you've confirmed Mary was NOT a virgin. More evidence of a faulty holy book. Thanks.

What a klutz you are DJR, why do you do this to yourself?

The timeline:

1. Mary is a virgin.
2. Mary the virgin gets betrothed to Joseph as is still custom today (we call it engaged)
3. Mary the virgin is made aware that she will become supernaturally pregnant.
4. Mary marries Joseph.
5. Everyone eats and drinks.
6. Mary is no longer a virgin.

Since you are quite probably still a virgin even at your advanced age, this subject might upset you, but if that's so keep away from forums in which your foolishness is plain to everybody.
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10/23/2016 8:31:11 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 8:20:47 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 8:16:20 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 8:08:43 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 8:04:07 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:57:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:50:52 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:48:53 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:46:29 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:45:24 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:09:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 5:08:55 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

An unmarried young woman at that time, in that culture would have been a virgin, it's therefore implied. Furthermore it's not her virginity that's important but rather the fact she became pregnant without a man's semen, that's what's recorded in the documents.
That's the claim, not the recording.

It's the recording, the New Testament is the most extant of all ancient documents from antiquity. The documents are more credible from a time consistency perspective than any other documents of comparable antiquity. I'm not arguing here that the story is therefore true, I'm arguing that the record we have today seems to be trustworthy so far as recording what the original author wrote down.

As for the story being true, well that cannot of course be proven unequivocally but then no story from antiquity can be.
Who recorded it?
BTW where is the supporting documentation for any of the NT but especially the zombie invasion of Jerusalem?

Can you be more specific? (or are you just being silly?)
What do you find confusing about "who recorded it"

Nothing, why are you asking? It was you who disputed "that's what's recorded" remember?
So why can't you answer the question?

"The documents that are more credible"......... relate a zombie invasion of Jerusalem, do you have any supporting documentation of this most auspicious event?

You seem to be having trouble with this subject, what I wrote was "The documents are more credible from a time consistency perspective" meaning (if I must spell it out fr you) that the text has been copied over many many centuries and these copies are hugely consistent. No other documents from antiquity have this degree of stability.

As for "zombies" what the hell are you smoking buddy?
Haven't you read this alleged tome of history?
Your making a lot of noise for someone who hasn't even read the book.
The invasion occurred at a very significant time in this alleged history.
Do try to catch up.

Which book refers to zombies? I'm getting tired of your juvenility.
All this time and you think we've been discussing Moby Dick?
FFS it's in the bible mate, fukin go and read it and come back.
You are still avoiding answering "who recorded it?"

Apologies, I missed that you'd asked "who recorded it" and then it went down hill, my mistake. I do not know who wrote the text originally, there's precious little to go on.

If you have a Bible with the word "zombie" in it then I can't help you buddy, take another drag on the pipe and lets see what your write here next...
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10/23/2016 8:32:18 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 8:25:41 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 8:20:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/23/2016 8:17:08 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 8:13:15 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:05:46 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 6:45:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/23/2016 5:08:55 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

An unmarried young woman at that time, in that culture would have been a virgin, it's therefore implied.

Would it be implied that if the young woman had a husband, it would be impossible for her to be a virgin?

After she was married yes but not until then

So, was Joseph her husband or not? Did they consummate their marriage or not?

Can you read English or not? yes? well go and read then dumbo.

Ah, so you've confirmed Mary was NOT a virgin. More evidence of a faulty holy book. Thanks.

What a klutz you are DJR, why do you do this to yourself?

The timeline:

1. Mary is a virgin.
2. Mary the virgin gets betrothed to Joseph as is still custom today (we call it engaged)
3. Mary the virgin is made aware that she will become supernaturally pregnant.
4. Mary marries Joseph.
5. Everyone eats and drinks.
6. Mary is no longer a virgin.

Since you are quite probably still a virgin even at your advanced age, this subject might upset you, but if that's so keep away from forums in which your foolishness is plain to everybody.
Yeah DJ, dirty says that eating and drinking removes your virgin status.
Remember that. Ya gotta laugh don't ya?
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10/23/2016 9:12:24 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 8:32:18 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 8:25:41 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 8:20:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/23/2016 8:17:08 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 8:13:15 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:05:46 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 6:45:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/23/2016 5:08:55 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

An unmarried young woman at that time, in that culture would have been a virgin, it's therefore implied.

Would it be implied that if the young woman had a husband, it would be impossible for her to be a virgin?

After she was married yes but not until then

So, was Joseph her husband or not? Did they consummate their marriage or not?

Can you read English or not? yes? well go and read then dumbo.

Ah, so you've confirmed Mary was NOT a virgin. More evidence of a faulty holy book. Thanks.

What a klutz you are DJR, why do you do this to yourself?

The timeline:

1. Mary is a virgin.
2. Mary the virgin gets betrothed to Joseph as is still custom today (we call it engaged)
3. Mary the virgin is made aware that she will become supernaturally pregnant.
4. Mary marries Joseph.
5. Everyone eats and drinks.
6. Mary is no longer a virgin.

Since you are quite probably still a virgin even at your advanced age, this subject might upset you, but if that's so keep away from forums in which your foolishness is plain to everybody.
Yeah DJ, dirty says that eating and drinking removes your virgin status.
Remember that. Ya gotta laugh don't ya?

Not if you are a virgin like DanneJeRusse who now has to avoid stuffing his mouth and swallowing to maintain his virgin status. Dirty.Harry should know. That's how he lost his virginity and why they call him Dirty.Harry.
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10/23/2016 9:12:30 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 8:32:18 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/23/2016 8:25:41 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 8:20:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/23/2016 8:17:08 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 8:13:15 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/23/2016 7:05:46 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 6:45:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/23/2016 5:08:55 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

An unmarried young woman at that time, in that culture would have been a virgin, it's therefore implied.

Would it be implied that if the young woman had a husband, it would be impossible for her to be a virgin?

After she was married yes but not until then

So, was Joseph her husband or not? Did they consummate their marriage or not?

Can you read English or not? yes? well go and read then dumbo.

Ah, so you've confirmed Mary was NOT a virgin. More evidence of a faulty holy book. Thanks.

What a klutz you are DJR, why do you do this to yourself?

The timeline:

1. Mary is a virgin.
2. Mary the virgin gets betrothed to Joseph as is still custom today (we call it engaged)
3. Mary the virgin is made aware that she will become supernaturally pregnant.
4. Mary marries Joseph.
5. Everyone eats and drinks.
6. Mary is no longer a virgin.

Since you are quite probably still a virgin even at your advanced age, this subject might upset you, but if that's so keep away from forums in which your foolishness is plain to everybody.
Yeah DJ, dirty says that eating and drinking removes your virgin status.
Remember that. Ya gotta laugh don't ya?

Attaboy, pop another pill and keep on typing...I'm sure lots of people have lost their virginity when the booze starts flowing, if that surprises you then put the pills down and get out more.
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10/23/2016 9:46:11 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

Isn't it strange too that the boy was named Jesus not Immanuel. Matthew couldn't mangle the Isaiah verse to change what Mark had already named his central character. Pious dishonesty can only go so far.

The whole birth narrative is nonsense from start to finish, of course. Mark didn't have it and Matthew slavishly copied Mark for most of the rest of the story. He inserted this fabrication only because by that stage people were asking for more detail, so he had to make up something. Off we go to the Septuagint for some inspiration and some faux prophecy fulfillment.

The most absurd element is the suggestion that a devout Jewish girl would agree to be impregnated by a god. This is blasphemy in Judaism which is monotheistic. Jews made fun of the pagans and their pantheon of gods and demi-gods. Yet here we are expected to believe that a young Jewish girl and her family never batted an eyelid. Simply absurd. It shows that Matthew, whoever he was, did not even understand Judaism.
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10/23/2016 9:49:21 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 8:25:38 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

No reason to doubt she was a virgin. She was unmarried and a young girl.. Sex outside marriage was taboo. Joseph her husband accept the Angels story and married Mary after the fact.

There is no way of knowing with certainty if she was a virgin or not. The claim of virginity was merely an uninformed assumption made by people looking to use translation errors as an excuse to make the bible look credible to pagans who were fascinated by tales of false god's miraculously creating pregnancies in virgin women.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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10/23/2016 9:56:28 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 9:46:11 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 10/23/2016 3:18:10 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.

Maiden definition:

An unmarried girl or young woman.

Isn't it strange too that the boy was named Jesus not Immanuel. Matthew couldn't mangle the Isaiah verse to change what Mark had already named his central character. Pious dishonesty can only go so far.

The whole birth narrative is nonsense from start to finish, of course. Mark didn't have it and Matthew slavishly copied Mark for most of the rest of the story. He inserted this fabrication only because by that stage people were asking for more detail, so he had to make up something. Off we go to the Septuagint for some inspiration and some faux prophecy fulfillment.

The most absurd element is the suggestion that a devout Jewish girl would agree to be impregnated by a god. This is blasphemy in Judaism which is monotheistic. Jews made fun of the pagans and their pantheon of gods and demi-gods. Yet here we are expected to believe that a young Jewish girl and her family never batted an eyelid. Simply absurd. It shows that Matthew, whoever he was, did not even understand Judaism.

Yes there are so many demonstrable flaws with the birth story. I think Matthew understood Judaism but knew most of the people he intended to trick did not and would easily be fooled.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.