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In ID theology, how did life begin?

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10/26/2016 5:33:52 PM
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Should be easy enough for you to answer.
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10/26/2016 7:42:53 PM
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At 10/26/2016 6:34:51 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
It obviously started with a plan.

And then it all went wrong....
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10/26/2016 7:58:49 PM
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At 10/26/2016 5:33:52 PM, bulproof wrote:
Should be easy enough for you to answer.

From what I've read of ID theology, there is no explanation for the beginning of life.
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10/26/2016 8:25:28 PM
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ID isn't supposed to have a theology. However, ID theory denies the possibility of evolution (with the possible exception of a little tweaking by micro-evolution) so each species must arise in their final form as the result of a separate act of design/construction. Presumably extinctions occur and species that go extinct are replaced by yet more acts of design/contruction which are often 'mark 2.0' of the extinct species in that they are a bit larger/smaller/hairier than the previous version - hence the fossil record.

No, I don't buy it either!
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10/26/2016 8:34:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/26/2016 5:33:52 PM, bulproof wrote:
Should be easy enough for you to answer.

ID is a science not a theology.
"I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness." - Max Planck
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10/26/2016 8:34:40 PM
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At 10/26/2016 8:25:28 PM, keithprosser wrote:
ID isn't supposed to have a theology. However, ID theory denies the possibility of evolution (with the possible exception of a little tweaking by micro-evolution) so each species must arise in their final form as the result of a separate act of design/construction. Presumably extinctions occur and species that go extinct are replaced by yet more acts of design/contruction which are often 'mark 2.0' of the extinct species in that they are a bit larger/smaller/hairier than the previous version - hence the fossil record.

No, I don't buy it either!

ID isn't supposed to have a theology? Then what does the "I" stand for? Mr Orwell would be proud of the Newspeak being bandied about by the faithful these days.
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10/26/2016 8:47:18 PM
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At 10/26/2016 8:34:40 PM, Skeptical1 wrote:

ID isn't supposed to have a theology? Then what does the "I" stand for? Mr Orwell would be proud of the Newspeak being bandied about by the faithful these days.

Maybe I should have been less forgiving of ID's claim to not be creationism with a mail order science degree but I was feeling generous at the time.
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10/26/2016 8:52:21 PM
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At 10/26/2016 8:47:18 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 10/26/2016 8:34:40 PM, Skeptical1 wrote:

ID isn't supposed to have a theology? Then what does the "I" stand for? Mr Orwell would be proud of the Newspeak being bandied about by the faithful these days.

Maybe I should have been less forgiving of ID's claim to not be creationism with a mail order science degree but I was feeling generous at the time.

Well, I wasn't having a go at you, in case that's what you thought :)

So instead of one creation myth, we now have hundreds or even thousands of them. That's progress! I suppose it's churlish to suggest that because they lost the fight over creationism in schools (for the moment), these people are trying to get their way in through the back door?

(No jibe at Catholic priests intended).
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10/26/2016 10:49:17 PM
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At 10/26/2016 7:42:53 PM, Canuck wrote:
At 10/26/2016 6:34:51 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
It obviously started with a plan.

And then it all went wrong....

But here we are living the products of mathematical precisions of assimilations of genes that can have no recourse but stand as the works of an intelligent design.
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10/27/2016 1:46:59 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Question too hard IDers?
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10/27/2016 2:12:06 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/27/2016 1:46:59 AM, bulproof wrote:
Question too hard IDers?

Why dont you answer the question bully? Is it too hard for you? Im sure you have a great anwer. How did life begin? It should be easy for you, as you are obviously a genius.
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10/27/2016 2:14:12 AM
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At 10/27/2016 2:12:06 AM, janesix wrote:
At 10/27/2016 1:46:59 AM, bulproof wrote:
Question too hard IDers?

Why dont you answer the question bully? Is it too hard for you? Im sure you have a great anwer. How did life begin? It should be easy for you, as you are obviously a genius.
I'm not an IDer, whatever gave you that idea?
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10/27/2016 2:20:59 AM
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At 10/27/2016 2:14:12 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/27/2016 2:12:06 AM, janesix wrote:
At 10/27/2016 1:46:59 AM, bulproof wrote:
Question too hard IDers?

Why dont you answer the question bully? Is it too hard for you? Im sure you have a great anwer. How did life begin? It should be easy for you, as you are obviously a genius.
I'm not an IDer, whatever gave you that idea?
When have iders ever clamed they know how life started?
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10/27/2016 2:23:00 AM
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At 10/27/2016 2:20:59 AM, janesix wrote:
At 10/27/2016 2:14:12 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/27/2016 2:12:06 AM, janesix wrote:
At 10/27/2016 1:46:59 AM, bulproof wrote:
Question too hard IDers?

Why dont you answer the question bully? Is it too hard for you? Im sure you have a great anwer. How did life begin? It should be easy for you, as you are obviously a genius.
I'm not an IDer, whatever gave you that idea?
When have iders ever clamed they know how life started?
Since that is the whole point of ID I guess for as long as they changed it from creation.
When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead
And the white knight is talking backwards
And the red queen's off with her head
Remember what the dormouse said
Feed your head, feed your head
janesix
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10/27/2016 2:27:15 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/27/2016 2:23:00 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/27/2016 2:20:59 AM, janesix wrote:
At 10/27/2016 2:14:12 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/27/2016 2:12:06 AM, janesix wrote:
At 10/27/2016 1:46:59 AM, bulproof wrote:
Question too hard IDers?

Why dont you answer the question bully? Is it too hard for you? Im sure you have a great anwer. How did life begin? It should be easy for you, as you are obviously a genius.
I'm not an IDer, whatever gave you that idea?
When have iders ever clamed they know how life started?
Since that is the whole point of ID I guess for as long as they changed it from creation.

No, that is not the whole point of id. The whole point is design in evolution. They dont address origin of life. At least the main ones like demski and behe.
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10/27/2016 2:52:14 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/27/2016 2:27:15 AM, janesix wrote:
At 10/27/2016 2:23:00 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/27/2016 2:20:59 AM, janesix wrote:
At 10/27/2016 2:14:12 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/27/2016 2:12:06 AM, janesix wrote:
At 10/27/2016 1:46:59 AM, bulproof wrote:
Question too hard IDers?

Why dont you answer the question bully? Is it too hard for you? Im sure you have a great anwer. How did life begin? It should be easy for you, as you are obviously a genius.
I'm not an IDer, whatever gave you that idea?
When have iders ever clamed they know how life started?
Since that is the whole point of ID I guess for as long as they changed it from creation.

No, that is not the whole point of id. The whole point is design in evolution. They dont address origin of life. At least the main ones like demski and behe.
So you can't answer the question either Jane, fair enough.
When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead
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Remember what the dormouse said
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10/27/2016 3:03:55 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/27/2016 2:52:14 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/27/2016 2:27:15 AM, janesix wrote:
At 10/27/2016 2:23:00 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/27/2016 2:20:59 AM, janesix wrote:
At 10/27/2016 2:14:12 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/27/2016 2:12:06 AM, janesix wrote:
At 10/27/2016 1:46:59 AM, bulproof wrote:
Question too hard IDers?

Why dont you answer the question bully? Is it too hard for you? Im sure you have a great anwer. How did life begin? It should be easy for you, as you are obviously a genius.
I'm not an IDer, whatever gave you that idea?
When have iders ever clamed they know how life started?
Since that is the whole point of ID I guess for as long as they changed it from creation.

No, that is not the whole point of id. The whole point is design in evolution. They dont address origin of life. At least the main ones like demski and behe.
So you can't answer the question either Jane, fair enough.

Of course not.
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10/27/2016 3:42:46 AM
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At 10/26/2016 10:49:17 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:42:53 PM, Canuck wrote:
At 10/26/2016 6:34:51 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
It obviously started with a plan.

And then it all went wrong....

But here we are living the products of mathematical precisions of assimilations of genes that can have no recourse but stand as the works of an intelligent design.
In ID theology, how did life begin?
When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead
And the white knight is talking backwards
And the red queen's off with her head
Remember what the dormouse said
Feed your head, feed your head
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10/27/2016 4:52:52 AM
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At 10/27/2016 3:42:46 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/26/2016 10:49:17 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:42:53 PM, Canuck wrote:
At 10/26/2016 6:34:51 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
It obviously started with a plan.

And then it all went wrong....

But here we are living the products of mathematical precisions of assimilations of genes that can have no recourse but stand as the works of an intelligent design.
In ID theology, how did life begin?

Intelligent design implies - necessarily implies - creation, even though intelligent design per se is not a theology.
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10/27/2016 6:00:47 AM
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At 10/27/2016 4:52:52 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 10/27/2016 3:42:46 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/26/2016 10:49:17 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:42:53 PM, Canuck wrote:
At 10/26/2016 6:34:51 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
It obviously started with a plan.

And then it all went wrong....

But here we are living the products of mathematical precisions of assimilations of genes that can have no recourse but stand as the works of an intelligent design.
In ID theology, how did life begin?

Intelligent design implies - necessarily implies - creation, even though intelligent design per se is not a theology.
Of course it is, it's plucked straight outa the bible. It's why the IDers won't answer this question because the only answer they have is genesis.
When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead
And the white knight is talking backwards
And the red queen's off with her head
Remember what the dormouse said
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10/27/2016 1:18:14 PM
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At 10/27/2016 6:00:47 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/27/2016 4:52:52 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 10/27/2016 3:42:46 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/26/2016 10:49:17 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:42:53 PM, Canuck wrote:
At 10/26/2016 6:34:51 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
It obviously started with a plan.

And then it all went wrong....

But here we are living the products of mathematical precisions of assimilations of genes that can have no recourse but stand as the works of an intelligent design.
In ID theology, how did life begin?

Intelligent design implies - necessarily implies - creation, even though intelligent design per se is not a theology.
Of course it is, it's plucked straight outa the bible. It's why the IDers won't answer this question because the only answer they have is genesis.

Intelligent design from a cosmological view states that everything that exists has a cause apart from itself. The universe exists. Therefore the universe has a cause apart from itself.

Intelligent design from within the physics of the universe admits to the fine-tuning of all aspects of our universe that walks a thinly balanced line to give an emergence of intelligent life. For example, had the universe expanded too rapid or too slow, the formation of stars would not have taken place. Thus, the formation of stars has a cause apart from itself.

The biology of digital informations inherent in living cells comprises a complex, non-repeating sequence which is highly specified relative to the functional or communication requirements that they perform.
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10/27/2016 1:33:07 PM
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No one has ever satisfactorily the question of who created an intelligent designer. 'It was always there', doesn't make any sense.
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10/27/2016 1:42:41 PM
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At 10/27/2016 1:18:14 PM, MasonicSlayer
In ID theology, how did life begin?
Can you answer this question? If not then fuk off
When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead
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And the red queen's off with her head
Remember what the dormouse said
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10/27/2016 1:44:43 PM
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In ID theology, how did life begin?
When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead
And the white knight is talking backwards
And the red queen's off with her head
Remember what the dormouse said
Feed your head, feed your head
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10/27/2016 1:55:57 PM
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At 10/27/2016 1:42:41 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/27/2016 1:18:14 PM, MasonicSlayer
In ID theology, how did life begin?
Can you answer this question? If not then fuk off

It's not a theology. Why do you always have to be the angry idiot?
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10/27/2016 2:01:19 PM
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At 10/27/2016 1:55:57 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/27/2016 1:42:41 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/27/2016 1:18:14 PM, MasonicSlayer
In ID theology, how did life begin?
Can you answer this question? If not then fuk off

It's not a theology. Why do you always have to be the angry idiot?
OK then how does ID explain how life began?
When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead
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And the red queen's off with her head
Remember what the dormouse said
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10/27/2016 2:03:33 PM
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At 10/27/2016 2:01:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/27/2016 1:55:57 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/27/2016 1:42:41 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/27/2016 1:18:14 PM, MasonicSlayer
In ID theology, how did life begin?
Can you answer this question? If not then fuk off

It's not a theology. Why do you always have to be the angry idiot?
OK then how does ID explain how life began?

In this world? or the other?
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10/27/2016 2:05:29 PM
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At 10/27/2016 2:03:33 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/27/2016 2:01:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/27/2016 1:55:57 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 10/27/2016 1:42:41 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/27/2016 1:18:14 PM, MasonicSlayer
In ID theology, how did life begin?
Can you answer this question? If not then fuk off

It's not a theology. Why do you always have to be the angry idiot?
OK then how does ID explain how life began?

In this world? or the other?

hahahahaha oh dear. world dumbasfuck.
When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead
And the white knight is talking backwards
And the red queen's off with her head
Remember what the dormouse said
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