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10/27/2016 3:57:39 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
the complete title would be:

What remains of Allah"s provision is better for you, should you be faithful

humans are very complex creatures. after all these years of scientific discoveries, we're yet to find real cure for many of our diseases. we've yet to find a cure for cancer, Aids, Diabetes, ...
and even if we did, other diseases that didn't exist before, either physical, mental or spiritual ones, will plague humankind and will waste a lot of our times and resources.

our physical health is just one small part of this puzzle. even if we had found the path to perfect physical health, that would just worsen the situation in the world. elites don't want people to live long and use "their" resources. superpowers want you to be poor and sick, so that they can control you and use you as yet another resource in their pocket. that's why things like food genocide plan were offered by Henry Kissinger.

also, nowadays people have become pray to different Ideologies, lifestyles, teachings. it's safe to say that normal humans, have become lab rats for the ones with power and influence. follow the history of Marxism, communism, liberalism, ... and you'll find that these were once thought of as true ways of reaching happiness. yet after a couple of decades and millions of lives lost, the leaders would announce that they were mistaken about their beliefs and their approach wasn't right.
now who's to answer for all of these lost lives and troubled souls?

even if all these problem were to go away, the ultimate goal of humans would simply be defined as "be free, and don't bother other people". it's like telling a bunch of players in a concert that "play as you like, just don't bother the person next to you." now if you go and listen to the performance of the people who follow this method, their performance would disgust you and the music that they create wouldn't really have any worth.

but God sent prophets to guide people to the right path, and told people that you're placed in the world, to get ready for your eternal and heavenly life. and the Earth is not you home, just as a womb is not a home for a human, it's just a temporary place that we stay in to develop and gain the requirements of living in our real home.

now, a creator of something, is the most knowledgeable person about that thing. if you have a cellphone, you'll go to it's creator or their representatives if you have a problem with it. so, if you have a problem with yourself, where would you go?

wouldn't you like it if a person with all the knowledge about the world and our bodies and our soul existed among you, who could solve any problem you have and could guide you to the happiness and wealth, in this world and the next?

a person who'd fill the world with justice and would break the splendor of those corrupt rulers who'd easily trade human life with oil and resources?

a person who'd heal the earth and would bring rain and would feed the poor and clothe the naked and would be a father for orphans and would cries for the hardships that people are going through.

that's what remains of God's provision. and he's alive and is among us, and he's waiting for you to pray for his return.

don't ask for specific person if you don't like it, just pray to God to help you and other people by sending what remains of his provision to you. it's better for you, if you know it.
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10/27/2016 4:18:23 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/27/2016 3:57:39 PM, lightseeker wrote:
the complete title would be:

What remains of Allah"s provision is better for you, should you be faithful

humans are very complex creatures. after all these years of scientific discoveries, we're yet to find real cure for many of our diseases. we've yet to find a cure for cancer, Aids, Diabetes, ...
and even if we did, other diseases that didn't exist before, either physical, mental or spiritual ones, will plague humankind and will waste a lot of our times and resources.

our physical health is just one small part of this puzzle. even if we had found the path to perfect physical health, that would just worsen the situation in the world. elites don't want people to live long and use "their" resources. superpowers want you to be poor and sick, so that they can control you and use you as yet another resource in their pocket. that's why things like food genocide plan were offered by Henry Kissinger.

also, nowadays people have become pray to different Ideologies, lifestyles, teachings. it's safe to say that normal humans, have become lab rats for the ones with power and influence. follow the history of Marxism, communism, liberalism, ... and you'll find that these were once thought of as true ways of reaching happiness. yet after a couple of decades and millions of lives lost, the leaders would announce that they were mistaken about their beliefs and their approach wasn't right.
now who's to answer for all of these lost lives and troubled souls?

even if all these problem were to go away, the ultimate goal of humans would simply be defined as "be free, and don't bother other people". it's like telling a bunch of players in a concert that "play as you like, just don't bother the person next to you." now if you go and listen to the performance of the people who follow this method, their performance would disgust you and the music that they create wouldn't really have any worth.

but God sent prophets to guide people to the right path, and told people that you're placed in the world, to get ready for your eternal and heavenly life. and the Earth is not you home, just as a womb is not a home for a human, it's just a temporary place that we stay in to develop and gain the requirements of living in our real home.

now, a creator of something, is the most knowledgeable person about that thing. if you have a cellphone, you'll go to it's creator or their representatives if you have a problem with it. so, if you have a problem with yourself, where would you go?

wouldn't you like it if a person with all the knowledge about the world and our bodies and our soul existed among you, who could solve any problem you have and could guide you to the happiness and wealth, in this world and the next?

a person who'd fill the world with justice and would break the splendor of those corrupt rulers who'd easily trade human life with oil and resources?

a person who'd heal the earth and would bring rain and would feed the poor and clothe the naked and would be a father for orphans and would cries for the hardships that people are going through.

that's what remains of God's provision. and he's alive and is among us, and he's waiting for you to pray for his return.

don't ask for specific person if you don't like it, just pray to God to help you and other people by sending what remains of his provision to you. it's better for you, if you know it.

Hilarious, you whine and complain about the world your God created for us, then you want us all to appeal to the same God to fix the world he left us, which he should have done in the first place. And, what has hundreds of millions of Muslims prayers resulted in thus far? Nothing.

Really dumb thread.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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10/27/2016 5:02:44 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/27/2016 4:18:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 3:57:39 PM, lightseeker wrote:
the complete title would be:

What remains of Allah"s provision is better for you, should you be faithful

humans are very complex creatures. after all these years of scientific discoveries, we're yet to find real cure for many of our diseases. we've yet to find a cure for cancer, Aids, Diabetes, ...
and even if we did, other diseases that didn't exist before, either physical, mental or spiritual ones, will plague humankind and will waste a lot of our times and resources.

our physical health is just one small part of this puzzle. even if we had found the path to perfect physical health, that would just worsen the situation in the world. elites don't want people to live long and use "their" resources. superpowers want you to be poor and sick, so that they can control you and use you as yet another resource in their pocket. that's why things like food genocide plan were offered by Henry Kissinger.

also, nowadays people have become pray to different Ideologies, lifestyles, teachings. it's safe to say that normal humans, have become lab rats for the ones with power and influence. follow the history of Marxism, communism, liberalism, ... and you'll find that these were once thought of as true ways of reaching happiness. yet after a couple of decades and millions of lives lost, the leaders would announce that they were mistaken about their beliefs and their approach wasn't right.
now who's to answer for all of these lost lives and troubled souls?

even if all these problem were to go away, the ultimate goal of humans would simply be defined as "be free, and don't bother other people". it's like telling a bunch of players in a concert that "play as you like, just don't bother the person next to you." now if you go and listen to the performance of the people who follow this method, their performance would disgust you and the music that they create wouldn't really have any worth.

but God sent prophets to guide people to the right path, and told people that you're placed in the world, to get ready for your eternal and heavenly life. and the Earth is not you home, just as a womb is not a home for a human, it's just a temporary place that we stay in to develop and gain the requirements of living in our real home.

now, a creator of something, is the most knowledgeable person about that thing. if you have a cellphone, you'll go to it's creator or their representatives if you have a problem with it. so, if you have a problem with yourself, where would you go?

wouldn't you like it if a person with all the knowledge about the world and our bodies and our soul existed among you, who could solve any problem you have and could guide you to the happiness and wealth, in this world and the next?

a person who'd fill the world with justice and would break the splendor of those corrupt rulers who'd easily trade human life with oil and resources?

a person who'd heal the earth and would bring rain and would feed the poor and clothe the naked and would be a father for orphans and would cries for the hardships that people are going through.

that's what remains of God's provision. and he's alive and is among us, and he's waiting for you to pray for his return.

don't ask for specific person if you don't like it, just pray to God to help you and other people by sending what remains of his provision to you. it's better for you, if you know it.

Hilarious, you whine and complain about the world your God created for us, then you want us all to appeal to the same God to fix the world he left us, which he should have done in the first place. And, what has hundreds of millions of Muslims prayers resulted in thus far? Nothing.

Really dumb thread.

the world is created by God, and is corrupted by humans.

God sent prophets and told people to follow them. some did and most didn't. those who didn't said that we can lead the way and lead people to happiness. yet the world we see today, and the sadness/hunger/pain that exists in the world, shows that without God, humans can't bring happiness to themselves, or are willing to sacrifice those without power to achieve their own happiness.

and the situation in the world right now, has reached a deadlock and will worsen as time goes on.

US and Israel and their allies have created and are funding ISIS and are killing people in Islamic countries. more people are losing their jobs because of the financial crisis the exists in the world. world's elites are getting richer and weak people are getting poorer. those without wealth and power don't have any way to free themselves from the grips of poverty and are sentenced to a lifetime of poverty and misery.

this is all because humans, don't follow the rules of creation and are corrupting the land and themselves. and the only way for humans to be freed from this situation, is start following the rules of God and ask God to sent what remains of his provision.
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10/27/2016 5:18:08 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/27/2016 5:02:44 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 4:18:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 3:57:39 PM, lightseeker wrote:
the complete title would be:

What remains of Allah"s provision is better for you, should you be faithful

humans are very complex creatures. after all these years of scientific discoveries, we're yet to find real cure for many of our diseases. we've yet to find a cure for cancer, Aids, Diabetes, ...
and even if we did, other diseases that didn't exist before, either physical, mental or spiritual ones, will plague humankind and will waste a lot of our times and resources.

our physical health is just one small part of this puzzle. even if we had found the path to perfect physical health, that would just worsen the situation in the world. elites don't want people to live long and use "their" resources. superpowers want you to be poor and sick, so that they can control you and use you as yet another resource in their pocket. that's why things like food genocide plan were offered by Henry Kissinger.

also, nowadays people have become pray to different Ideologies, lifestyles, teachings. it's safe to say that normal humans, have become lab rats for the ones with power and influence. follow the history of Marxism, communism, liberalism, ... and you'll find that these were once thought of as true ways of reaching happiness. yet after a couple of decades and millions of lives lost, the leaders would announce that they were mistaken about their beliefs and their approach wasn't right.
now who's to answer for all of these lost lives and troubled souls?

even if all these problem were to go away, the ultimate goal of humans would simply be defined as "be free, and don't bother other people". it's like telling a bunch of players in a concert that "play as you like, just don't bother the person next to you." now if you go and listen to the performance of the people who follow this method, their performance would disgust you and the music that they create wouldn't really have any worth.

but God sent prophets to guide people to the right path, and told people that you're placed in the world, to get ready for your eternal and heavenly life. and the Earth is not you home, just as a womb is not a home for a human, it's just a temporary place that we stay in to develop and gain the requirements of living in our real home.

now, a creator of something, is the most knowledgeable person about that thing. if you have a cellphone, you'll go to it's creator or their representatives if you have a problem with it. so, if you have a problem with yourself, where would you go?

wouldn't you like it if a person with all the knowledge about the world and our bodies and our soul existed among you, who could solve any problem you have and could guide you to the happiness and wealth, in this world and the next?

a person who'd fill the world with justice and would break the splendor of those corrupt rulers who'd easily trade human life with oil and resources?

a person who'd heal the earth and would bring rain and would feed the poor and clothe the naked and would be a father for orphans and would cries for the hardships that people are going through.

that's what remains of God's provision. and he's alive and is among us, and he's waiting for you to pray for his return.

don't ask for specific person if you don't like it, just pray to God to help you and other people by sending what remains of his provision to you. it's better for you, if you know it.

Hilarious, you whine and complain about the world your God created for us, then you want us all to appeal to the same God to fix the world he left us, which he should have done in the first place. And, what has hundreds of millions of Muslims prayers resulted in thus far? Nothing.

Really dumb thread.

the world is created by God, and is corrupted by humans.

So, God is weak, pathetic and useless to men corrupting his creation?

God sent prophets and told people to follow them. some did and most didn't. those who didn't said that we can lead the way and lead people to happiness. yet the world we see today, and the sadness/hunger/pain that exists in the world, shows that without God, humans can't bring happiness to themselves, or are willing to sacrifice those without power to achieve their own happiness.

Prophets are men, who you say are corrupt. It was the prophets who corrupted the men, that's why the Islamic world is such a sh1thole.

and the situation in the world right now, has reached a deadlock and will worsen as time goes on.

Yes, driven by corrupt men who follow corrupt prophets.

US and Israel and their allies have created and are funding ISIS and are killing people in Islamic countries. more people are losing their jobs because of the financial crisis the exists in the world. world's elites are getting richer and weak people are getting poorer. those without wealth and power don't have any way to free themselves from the grips of poverty and are sentenced to a lifetime of poverty and misery.

Poverty and misery has existed in the Islamic world for centuries, of their own doing, with no help at all from the US or Israel.

this is all because humans, don't follow the rules of creation and are corrupting the land and themselves. and the only way for humans to be freed from this situation, is start following the rules of God and ask God to sent what remains of his provision.

Following the rules of your corrupt prophets is what got us here in the first place. Blame your corrupt prophets.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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10/27/2016 6:39:33 PM
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a person who'd heal the earth and would bring rain and would feed the poor and clothe the naked and would be a father for orphans and would cries for the hardships that people are going through.

that's what remains of God's provision. and he's alive and is among us, and he's waiting for you to pray for his return.

don't ask for specific person if you don't like it, just pray to God to help you and other people by sending what remains of his provision to you. it's better for you, if you know it.

Hilarious, you whine and complain about the world your God created for us, then you want us all to appeal to the same God to fix the world he left us, which he should have done in the first place. And, what has hundreds of millions of Muslims prayers resulted in thus far? Nothing.

Really dumb thread.

the world is created by God, and is corrupted by humans.

So, God is weak, pathetic and useless to men corrupting his creation?
earth is just a small part of God's creation. God gave it to men and sent prophets to lead them to the right path. now if some men want to corrupt the land and others are fine with it, this will only damage and hurt themselves and not God. but God gave people freewill and made them responsible for their actions. and people can still choose to follow the right path and stand against those who're killing children for oil and creating an endless state of war in the world to sell their weapons.
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God sent prophets and told people to follow them. some did and most didn't. those who didn't said that we can lead the way and lead people to happiness. yet the world we see today, and the sadness/hunger/pain that exists in the world, shows that without God, humans can't bring happiness to themselves, or are willing to sacrifice those without power to achieve their own happiness.
Prophets are men, who you say are corrupt. It was the prophets who corrupted the men, that's why the Islamic world is such a sh1thole.
prophets are men, yet they're infallible. think about it this way, God who's omnipotent and omniscient, created humans. now if humans have problems or questions about themselves, they'd go to prophets. if those prophets are fallible, then how men can trust them with the word of God?

and the situation in the world right now, has reached a deadlock and will worsen as time goes on.

Yes, driven by corrupt men who follow corrupt prophets.

US and Israel and their allies have created and are funding ISIS and are killing people in Islamic countries. more people are losing their jobs because of the financial crisis the exists in the world. world's elites are getting richer and weak people are getting poorer. those without wealth and power don't have any way to free themselves from the grips of poverty and are sentenced to a lifetime of poverty and misery.

Poverty and misery has existed in the Islamic world for centuries, of their own doing, with no help at all from the US or Israel.
Iran was known to be an Islamic country. yet it was ruled by rules that weren't Islamic. it was only after the evolution that we're starting to implement some of the Islamic rules in our society, though we have a long way to go.

this is all because humans, don't follow the rules of creation and are corrupting the land and themselves. and the only way for humans to be freed from this situation, is start following the rules of God and ask God to sent what remains of his provision.

Following the rules of your corrupt prophets is what got us here in the first place. Blame your corrupt prophets.
following prophets bring peace and security. read the state of Arabia before and after Muhammad (s):
https://www.al-islam.org...
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10/27/2016 7:21:37 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/27/2016 6:39:33 PM, lightseeker wrote:

So, God is weak, pathetic and useless to men corrupting his creation?
earth is just a small part of God's creation. God gave it to men and sent prophets to lead them to the right path. now if some men want to corrupt the land and others are fine with it, this will only damage and hurt themselves and not God. but God gave people freewill and made them responsible for their actions. and people can still choose to follow the right path and stand against those who're killing children for oil and creating an endless state of war in the world to sell their weapons.

So, I take it your answer to my question is, yes, God IS weak, pathetic and useless to men corrupting his creation?

prophets are men, yet they're infallible. think about it this way, God who's omnipotent and omniscient, created humans. now if humans have problems or questions about themselves, they'd go to prophets. if those prophets are fallible, then how men can trust them with the word of God?

LOL. The answer to that is simple, you can't trust them, they're men like any others, and are just as fallible.

Iran was known to be an Islamic country. yet it was ruled by rules that weren't Islamic. it was only after the evolution that we're starting to implement some of the Islamic rules in our society, though we have a long way to go.

You've had over 1400 years to implement Islamic rules and still haven't got it right. Your ideology is a failure, just like other religious ideologies.

following prophets bring peace and security

Prophets are frauds and liars who corrupt peoples minds., who lie to them and keep people ignorant and fearful. They should be ignored and placed under psychiatric evaluation.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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10/27/2016 7:52:26 PM
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At 10/27/2016 7:21:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 6:39:33 PM, lightseeker wrote:

So, God is weak, pathetic and useless to men corrupting his creation?
earth is just a small part of God's creation. God gave it to men and sent prophets to lead them to the right path. now if some men want to corrupt the land and others are fine with it, this will only damage and hurt themselves and not God. but God gave people freewill and made them responsible for their actions. and people can still choose to follow the right path and stand against those who're killing children for oil and creating an endless state of war in the world to sell their weapons.
So, I take it your answer to my question is, yes, God IS weak, pathetic and useless to men corrupting his creation?
why do you think God is weak? as I said, he created humans to have freewill. and also guided them to the right path. whether they want to choose that path or not, is their own choice and responsibility.

prophets are men, yet they're infallible. think about it this way, God who's omnipotent and omniscient, created humans. now if humans have problems or questions about themselves, they'd go to prophets. if those prophets are fallible, then how men can trust them with the word of God?
LOL. The answer to that is simple, you can't trust them, they're men like any others, and are just as fallible.
well most men are fallible. but prophets who guide to God are not. if a cellphone manufacturer can train people who'd fix their cellphones without fail, how can God which is omniscient and omnipotent be unable to do so?

Iran was known to be an Islamic country. yet it was ruled by rules that weren't Islamic. it was only after the evolution that we're starting to implement some of the Islamic rules in our society, though we have a long way to go.

You've had over 1400 years to implement Islamic rules and still haven't got it right. Your ideology is a failure, just like other religious ideologies.
unfortunately that's not the case. as I said before, we've had only a couple of decades to implement the teachings of true Islam. and because of sanctions and war imposed on us, we've had a hard time doing so, though everything is more or less going as planned and you've probably heard the name of Iran a lot in your own presidential candidates' debates. which shows the importance and power of the new Iran.
we've supported Hezbollah in Lebanon and they defeated Israel in 33-day war. our friends are fighting Saudi/Turkey/Israeli funded ISIS and are defeating them. we're getting stronger and you're getting weaker. it's only a matter of time bro
and history has shown that no oppressive empire will last long. and American Empire right now, is very oppressive.

following prophets bring peace and security

Prophets are frauds and liars who corrupt peoples minds., who lie to them and keep people ignorant and fearful. They should be ignored and placed under psychiatric evaluation.
Moses went to Pharaoh alone with his brother, and freed all those people and sent pharaoh and his army to the depth of Nile. Abraham defeated Nimrod and it's great army. Jesus talked to people in his cradle. Muhammad turned Arabia, from a barbaric and savage land, to a peaceful and just community in his time, even though he was an orphan and was abandoned by his tribe. so, you so called logic fails.
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10/27/2016 8:20:10 PM
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At 10/27/2016 7:52:26 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 7:21:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 6:39:33 PM, lightseeker wrote:

So, God is weak, pathetic and useless to men corrupting his creation?
earth is just a small part of God's creation. God gave it to men and sent prophets to lead them to the right path. now if some men want to corrupt the land and others are fine with it, this will only damage and hurt themselves and not God. but God gave people freewill and made them responsible for their actions. and people can still choose to follow the right path and stand against those who're killing children for oil and creating an endless state of war in the world to sell their weapons.
So, I take it your answer to my question is, yes, God IS weak, pathetic and useless to men corrupting his creation?
why do you think God is weak? as I said, he created humans to have freewill. and also guided them to the right path. whether they want to choose that path or not, is their own choice and responsibility.

So, God is weak and a fool. He creates humans with free will and then lets them go off and corrupt his creation.

prophets are men, yet they're infallible. think about it this way, God who's omnipotent and omniscient, created humans. now if humans have problems or questions about themselves, they'd go to prophets. if those prophets are fallible, then how men can trust them with the word of God?
LOL. The answer to that is simple, you can't trust them, they're men like any others, and are just as fallible.
well most men are fallible. but prophets who guide to God are not

If they are men, they are fallible. Your claim is empty.

. if a cellphone manufacturer can train people who'd fix their cellphones without fail, how can God which is omniscient and omnipotent be unable to do so?

What do cell phones have to do with anything?

Iran was known to be an Islamic country. yet it was ruled by rules that weren't Islamic. it was only after the evolution that we're starting to implement some of the Islamic rules in our society, though we have a long way to go.

You've had over 1400 years to implement Islamic rules and still haven't got it right. Your ideology is a failure, just like other religious ideologies.
unfortunately that's not the case. as I said before, we've had only a couple of decades to implement the teachings of true Islam.

Wrong. You've had over 1400 years to implement Islam.

and because of sanctions and war imposed on us, we've had a hard time doing so, though everything is more or less going as planned and you've probably heard the name of Iran a lot in your own presidential candidates' debates. which shows the importance and power of the new Iran.
we've supported Hezbollah in Lebanon and they defeated Israel in 33-day war. our friends are fighting Saudi/Turkey/Israeli funded ISIS and are defeating them. we're getting stronger and you're getting weaker. it's only a matter of time bro
and history has shown that no oppressive empire will last long. and American Empire right now, is very oppressive.

Yes, Islam has been at war for as long as it's been around.

following prophets bring peace and security

Prophets are frauds and liars who corrupt peoples minds., who lie to them and keep people ignorant and fearful. They should be ignored and placed under psychiatric evaluation.
Moses went to Pharaoh alone with his brother, and freed all those people and sent pharaoh and his army to the depth of Nile. Abraham defeated Nimrod and it's great army. Jesus talked to people in his cradle. Muhammad turned Arabia, from a barbaric and savage land, to a peaceful and just community in his time, even though he was an orphan and was abandoned by his tribe. so, you so called logic fails.

Your fairy tales have no meaning here. Sorry.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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10/27/2016 8:40:03 PM
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At 10/27/2016 3:57:39 PM, lightseeker wrote:
the complete title would be:

What remains of Allah"s provision is better for you, should you be faithful

humans are very complex creatures. after all these years of scientific discoveries, we're yet to find real cure for many of our diseases. we've yet to find a cure for cancer, Aids, Diabetes, ...
and even if we did, other diseases that didn't exist before, either physical, mental or spiritual ones, will plague humankind and will waste a lot of our times and resources.

our physical health is just one small part of this puzzle. even if we had found the path to perfect physical health, that would just worsen the situation in the world. elites don't want people to live long and use "their" resources. superpowers want you to be poor and sick, so that they can control you and use you as yet another resource in their pocket. that's why things like food genocide plan were offered by Henry Kissinger.

also, nowadays people have become pray to different Ideologies, lifestyles, teachings. it's safe to say that normal humans, have become lab rats for the ones with power and influence. follow the history of Marxism, communism, liberalism, ... and you'll find that these were once thought of as true ways of reaching happiness. yet after a couple of decades and millions of lives lost, the leaders would announce that they were mistaken about their beliefs and their approach wasn't right.
now who's to answer for all of these lost lives and troubled souls?

even if all these problem were to go away, the ultimate goal of humans would simply be defined as "be free, and don't bother other people". it's like telling a bunch of players in a concert that "play as you like, just don't bother the person next to you." now if you go and listen to the performance of the people who follow this method, their performance would disgust you and the music that they create wouldn't really have any worth.

but God sent prophets to guide people to the right path, and told people that you're placed in the world, to get ready for your eternal and heavenly life. and the Earth is not you home, just as a womb is not a home for a human, it's just a temporary place that we stay in to develop and gain the requirements of living in our real home.

now, a creator of something, is the most knowledgeable person about that thing. if you have a cellphone, you'll go to it's creator or their representatives if you have a problem with it. so, if you have a problem with yourself, where would you go?

wouldn't you like it if a person with all the knowledge about the world and our bodies and our soul existed among you, who could solve any problem you have and could guide you to the happiness and wealth, in this world and the next?

a person who'd fill the world with justice and would break the splendor of those corrupt rulers who'd easily trade human life with oil and resources?

a person who'd heal the earth and would bring rain and would feed the poor and clothe the naked and would be a father for orphans and would cries for the hardships that people are going through.

that's what remains of God's provision. and he's alive and is among us, and he's waiting for you to pray for his return.

don't ask for specific person if you don't like it, just pray to God to help you and other people by sending what remains of his provision to you. it's better for you, if you know it.

why do you say God in the title and allah in the thread, that will confuse those who do not know the difference.............
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10/27/2016 8:52:25 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/27/2016 8:40:03 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/27/2016 3:57:39 PM, lightseeker wrote:
the complete title would be:

What remains of Allah"s provision is better for you, should you be faithful

humans are very complex creatures. after all these years of scientific discoveries, we're yet to find real cure for many of our diseases. we've yet to find a cure for cancer, Aids, Diabetes, ...
and even if we did, other diseases that didn't exist before, either physical, mental or spiritual ones, will plague humankind and will waste a lot of our times and resources.

our physical health is just one small part of this puzzle. even if we had found the path to perfect physical health, that would just worsen the situation in the world. elites don't want people to live long and use "their" resources. superpowers want you to be poor and sick, so that they can control you and use you as yet another resource in their pocket. that's why things like food genocide plan were offered by Henry Kissinger.

also, nowadays people have become pray to different Ideologies, lifestyles, teachings. it's safe to say that normal humans, have become lab rats for the ones with power and influence. follow the history of Marxism, communism, liberalism, ... and you'll find that these were once thought of as true ways of reaching happiness. yet after a couple of decades and millions of lives lost, the leaders would announce that they were mistaken about their beliefs and their approach wasn't right.
now who's to answer for all of these lost lives and troubled souls?

even if all these problem were to go away, the ultimate goal of humans would simply be defined as "be free, and don't bother other people". it's like telling a bunch of players in a concert that "play as you like, just don't bother the person next to you." now if you go and listen to the performance of the people who follow this method, their performance would disgust you and the music that they create wouldn't really have any worth.

but God sent prophets to guide people to the right path, and told people that you're placed in the world, to get ready for your eternal and heavenly life. and the Earth is not you home, just as a womb is not a home for a human, it's just a temporary place that we stay in to develop and gain the requirements of living in our real home.

now, a creator of something, is the most knowledgeable person about that thing. if you have a cellphone, you'll go to it's creator or their representatives if you have a problem with it. so, if you have a problem with yourself, where would you go?

wouldn't you like it if a person with all the knowledge about the world and our bodies and our soul existed among you, who could solve any problem you have and could guide you to the happiness and wealth, in this world and the next?

a person who'd fill the world with justice and would break the splendor of those corrupt rulers who'd easily trade human life with oil and resources?

a person who'd heal the earth and would bring rain and would feed the poor and clothe the naked and would be a father for orphans and would cries for the hardships that people are going through.

that's what remains of God's provision. and he's alive and is among us, and he's waiting for you to pray for his return.

don't ask for specific person if you don't like it, just pray to God to help you and other people by sending what remains of his provision to you. it's better for you, if you know it.

why do you say God in the title and allah in the thread, that will confuse those who do not know the difference.............

there is no difference. Allah is the Arabic name for God.
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10/27/2016 9:00:36 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/27/2016 8:20:10 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 7:52:26 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 7:21:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 6:39:33 PM, lightseeker wrote:

So, God is weak, pathetic and useless to men corrupting his creation?
earth is just a small part of God's creation. God gave it to men and sent prophets to lead them to the right path. now if some men want to corrupt the land and others are fine with it, this will only damage and hurt themselves and not God. but God gave people freewill and made them responsible for their actions. and people can still choose to follow the right path and stand against those who're killing children for oil and creating an endless state of war in the world to sell their weapons.
So, I take it your answer to my question is, yes, God IS weak, pathetic and useless to men corrupting his creation?
why do you think God is weak? as I said, he created humans to have freewill. and also guided them to the right path. whether they want to choose that path or not, is their own choice and responsibility.
So, God is weak and a fool. He creates humans with free will and then lets them go off and corrupt his creation.
having freewill without any restraint leads people to corruption. God doesn't need humans or any other creation, yet we need God and all his blessings. and corruption of the land doesn't hurt God. the size of this world compared to the next world, is like the size of a womb compared to the whole world. God said if this world had any worth in the eyes, he wouldn't give a drink of water to the infidels. yet, this world is worthy for us, because it's a stage for us to develop and get ready for our complete and everlasting life.

prophets are men, yet they're infallible. think about it this way, God who's omnipotent and omniscient, created humans. now if humans have problems or questions about themselves, they'd go to prophets. if those prophets are fallible, then how men can trust them with the word of God?
LOL. The answer to that is simple, you can't trust them, they're men like any others, and are just as fallible.
well most men are fallible. but prophets who guide to God are not

If they are men, they are fallible. Your claim is empty.

. if a cellphone manufacturer can train people who'd fix their cellphones without fail, how can God which is omniscient and omnipotent be unable to do so?

What do cell phones have to do with anything?

Iran was known to be an Islamic country. yet it was ruled by rules that weren't Islamic. it was only after the evolution that we're starting to implement some of the Islamic rules in our society, though we have a long way to go.

You've had over 1400 years to implement Islamic rules and still haven't got it right. Your ideology is a failure, just like other religious ideologies.
unfortunately that's not the case. as I said before, we've had only a couple of decades to implement the teachings of true Islam.

Wrong. You've had over 1400 years to implement Islam.

and because of sanctions and war imposed on us, we've had a hard time doing so, though everything is more or less going as planned and you've probably heard the name of Iran a lot in your own presidential candidates' debates. which shows the importance and power of the new Iran.
we've supported Hezbollah in Lebanon and they defeated Israel in 33-day war. our friends are fighting Saudi/Turkey/Israeli funded ISIS and are defeating them. we're getting stronger and you're getting weaker. it's only a matter of time bro
and history has shown that no oppressive empire will last long. and American Empire right now, is very oppressive.

Yes, Islam has been at war for as long as it's been around.

following prophets bring peace and security

Prophets are frauds and liars who corrupt peoples minds., who lie to them and keep people ignorant and fearful. They should be ignored and placed under psychiatric evaluation.
Moses went to Pharaoh alone with his brother, and freed all those people and sent pharaoh and his army to the depth of Nile. Abraham defeated Nimrod and it's great army. Jesus talked to people in his cradle. Muhammad turned Arabia, from a barbaric and savage land, to a peaceful and just community in his time, even though he was an orphan and was abandoned by his tribe. so, you so called logic fails.

Your fairy tales have no meaning here. Sorry.
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10/27/2016 9:06:40 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/27/2016 9:00:36 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 8:20:10 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 7:52:26 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 7:21:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 6:39:33 PM, lightseeker wrote:

So, God is weak, pathetic and useless to men corrupting his creation?
earth is just a small part of God's creation. God gave it to men and sent prophets to lead them to the right path. now if some men want to corrupt the land and others are fine with it, this will only damage and hurt themselves and not God. but God gave people freewill and made them responsible for their actions. and people can still choose to follow the right path and stand against those who're killing children for oil and creating an endless state of war in the world to sell their weapons.
So, I take it your answer to my question is, yes, God IS weak, pathetic and useless to men corrupting his creation?
why do you think God is weak? as I said, he created humans to have freewill. and also guided them to the right path. whether they want to choose that path or not, is their own choice and responsibility.
So, God is weak and a fool. He creates humans with free will and then lets them go off and corrupt his creation.
having freewill without any restraint leads people to corruption.

That would confirm God is a fool for not having known that. Of course, you can't burden free will with restraint, it wouldn't be free will, then.

God doesn't need humans or any other creation, yet we need God and all his blessings.

No, we don't God and his blessings. He is a fool who should be ignored.

and corruption of the land doesn't hurt God. the size of this world compared to the next world, is like the size of a womb compared to the whole world. God said if this world had any worth in the eyes, he wouldn't give a drink of water to the infidels. yet, this world is worthy for us, because it's a stage for us to develop and get ready for our complete and everlasting life.

That's just more fairy tale nonsense, talk like an adult, not a child.

prophets are men, yet they're infallible. think about it this way, God who's omnipotent and omniscient, created humans. now if humans have problems or questions about themselves, they'd go to prophets. if those prophets are fallible, then how men can trust them with the word of God?
LOL. The answer to that is simple, you can't trust them, they're men like any others, and are just as fallible.
well most men are fallible. but prophets who guide to God are not

If they are men, they are fallible. Your claim is empty.

. if a cellphone manufacturer can train people who'd fix their cellphones without fail, how can God which is omniscient and omnipotent be unable to do so?

What do cell phones have to do with anything?

Iran was known to be an Islamic country. yet it was ruled by rules that weren't Islamic. it was only after the evolution that we're starting to implement some of the Islamic rules in our society, though we have a long way to go.

You've had over 1400 years to implement Islamic rules and still haven't got it right. Your ideology is a failure, just like other religious ideologies.
unfortunately that's not the case. as I said before, we've had only a couple of decades to implement the teachings of true Islam.

Wrong. You've had over 1400 years to implement Islam.

and because of sanctions and war imposed on us, we've had a hard time doing so, though everything is more or less going as planned and you've probably heard the name of Iran a lot in your own presidential candidates' debates. which shows the importance and power of the new Iran.
we've supported Hezbollah in Lebanon and they defeated Israel in 33-day war. our friends are fighting Saudi/Turkey/Israeli funded ISIS and are defeating them. we're getting stronger and you're getting weaker. it's only a matter of time bro
and history has shown that no oppressive empire will last long. and American Empire right now, is very oppressive.

Yes, Islam has been at war for as long as it's been around.

following prophets bring peace and security

Prophets are frauds and liars who corrupt peoples minds., who lie to them and keep people ignorant and fearful. They should be ignored and placed under psychiatric evaluation.
Moses went to Pharaoh alone with his brother, and freed all those people and sent pharaoh and his army to the depth of Nile. Abraham defeated Nimrod and it's great army. Jesus talked to people in his cradle. Muhammad turned Arabia, from a barbaric and savage land, to a peaceful and just community in his time, even though he was an orphan and was abandoned by his tribe. so, you so called logic fails.

Your fairy tales have no meaning here. Sorry.
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a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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10/27/2016 9:12:03 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/27/2016 8:52:25 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 8:40:03 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/27/2016 3:57:39 PM, lightseeker wrote:
the complete title would be:

What remains of Allah"s provision is better for you, should you be faithful

humans are very complex creatures. after all these years of scientific discoveries, we're yet to find real cure for many of our diseases. we've yet to find a cure for cancer, Aids, Diabetes, ...
and even if we did, other diseases that didn't exist before, either physical, mental or spiritual ones, will plague humankind and will waste a lot of our times and resources.

our physical health is just one small part of this puzzle. even if we had found the path to perfect physical health, that would just worsen the situation in the world. elites don't want people to live long and use "their" resources. superpowers want you to be poor and sick, so that they can control you and use you as yet another resource in their pocket. that's why things like food genocide plan were offered by Henry Kissinger.

also, nowadays people have become pray to different Ideologies, lifestyles, teachings. it's safe to say that normal humans, have become lab rats for the ones with power and influence. follow the history of Marxism, communism, liberalism, ... and you'll find that these were once thought of as true ways of reaching happiness. yet after a couple of decades and millions of lives lost, the leaders would announce that they were mistaken about their beliefs and their approach wasn't right.
now who's to answer for all of these lost lives and troubled souls?

even if all these problem were to go away, the ultimate goal of humans would simply be defined as "be free, and don't bother other people". it's like telling a bunch of players in a concert that "play as you like, just don't bother the person next to you." now if you go and listen to the performance of the people who follow this method, their performance would disgust you and the music that they create wouldn't really have any worth.

but God sent prophets to guide people to the right path, and told people that you're placed in the world, to get ready for your eternal and heavenly life. and the Earth is not you home, just as a womb is not a home for a human, it's just a temporary place that we stay in to develop and gain the requirements of living in our real home.

now, a creator of something, is the most knowledgeable person about that thing. if you have a cellphone, you'll go to it's creator or their representatives if you have a problem with it. so, if you have a problem with yourself, where would you go?

wouldn't you like it if a person with all the knowledge about the world and our bodies and our soul existed among you, who could solve any problem you have and could guide you to the happiness and wealth, in this world and the next?

a person who'd fill the world with justice and would break the splendor of those corrupt rulers who'd easily trade human life with oil and resources?

a person who'd heal the earth and would bring rain and would feed the poor and clothe the naked and would be a father for orphans and would cries for the hardships that people are going through.

that's what remains of God's provision. and he's alive and is among us, and he's waiting for you to pray for his return.

don't ask for specific person if you don't like it, just pray to God to help you and other people by sending what remains of his provision to you. it's better for you, if you know it.

why do you say God in the title and allah in the thread, that will confuse those who do not know the difference.............

there is no difference. Allah is the Arabic name for God.

but allah is not the God of the bible...
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10/27/2016 9:25:38 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/27/2016 6:39:33 PM, lightseeker wrote:

... but God gave people freewill and made them responsible for their actions. and people can still choose to follow the right path and stand against those who're killing children for oil and creating an endless state of war in the world to sell their weapons.

It's only the illusion of free will. If everything is written as Islam teaches (you obviously ignore the teachings) then it is decreed what happens past, present and future. Nothing occurs except by the will of Allah if you accept Muslim thought. Therefore, whilst humans appear to have autonomy, it is only a sham since Allah supposedly knows everything, ie. "it is written".
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10/27/2016 10:29:58 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/27/2016 9:12:03 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/27/2016 8:52:25 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 8:40:03 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/27/2016 3:57:39 PM, lightseeker wrote:
the complete title would be:

What remains of Allah"s provision is better for you, should you be faithful

humans are very complex creatures. after all these years of scientific discoveries, we're yet to find real cure for many of our diseases. we've yet to find a cure for cancer, Aids, Diabetes, ...
and even if we did, other diseases that didn't exist before, either physical, mental or spiritual ones, will plague humankind and will waste a lot of our times and resources.

our physical health is just one small part of this puzzle. even if we had found the path to perfect physical health, that would just worsen the situation in the world. elites don't want people to live long and use "their" resources. superpowers want you to be poor and sick, so that they can control you and use you as yet another resource in their pocket. that's why things like food genocide plan were offered by Henry Kissinger.

also, nowadays people have become pray to different Ideologies, lifestyles, teachings. it's safe to say that normal humans, have become lab rats for the ones with power and influence. follow the history of Marxism, communism, liberalism, ... and you'll find that these were once thought of as true ways of reaching happiness. yet after a couple of decades and millions of lives lost, the leaders would announce that they were mistaken about their beliefs and their approach wasn't right.
now who's to answer for all of these lost lives and troubled souls?

even if all these problem were to go away, the ultimate goal of humans would simply be defined as "be free, and don't bother other people". it's like telling a bunch of players in a concert that "play as you like, just don't bother the person next to you." now if you go and listen to the performance of the people who follow this method, their performance would disgust you and the music that they create wouldn't really have any worth.

but God sent prophets to guide people to the right path, and told people that you're placed in the world, to get ready for your eternal and heavenly life. and the Earth is not you home, just as a womb is not a home for a human, it's just a temporary place that we stay in to develop and gain the requirements of living in our real home.

now, a creator of something, is the most knowledgeable person about that thing. if you have a cellphone, you'll go to it's creator or their representatives if you have a problem with it. so, if you have a problem with yourself, where would you go?

wouldn't you like it if a person with all the knowledge about the world and our bodies and our soul existed among you, who could solve any problem you have and could guide you to the happiness and wealth, in this world and the next?

a person who'd fill the world with justice and would break the splendor of those corrupt rulers who'd easily trade human life with oil and resources?

a person who'd heal the earth and would bring rain and would feed the poor and clothe the naked and would be a father for orphans and would cries for the hardships that people are going through.

that's what remains of God's provision. and he's alive and is among us, and he's waiting for you to pray for his return.

don't ask for specific person if you don't like it, just pray to God to help you and other people by sending what remains of his provision to you. it's better for you, if you know it.

why do you say God in the title and allah in the thread, that will confuse those who do not know the difference.............

there is no difference. Allah is the Arabic name for God.

but allah is not the God of the bible...

we believe in Jesus and Mary. and we believe that God sent Jesus, and Moses, and Noah, and Abraham, and Muhammad. though we also believe that somewhere along the line, some people changed Christianity and distort it to make it docile toward Jews. check the biography of saint Paul for example. he was a Jew, who'd fought against and even had killed Christians. yet, if you kill people because of their beliefs and thoughts, then you're making those beliefs and thoughts stronger. so he decided to change Christianity from inside. so he said: I've met with Jesus and he's told me to change Christianity ... even though Jesus himself hadn't said any of the things Paul brought when he was alive and had time. so basically, Paul said:
1- Jesus is God: this caused people to see Jesus as their God and therefor not use him as a role model for themselves. because after all, how can man become like God?
2- no circumcision: this would effect the next generations (though I have to do some more research to determine what exact effect does this have on people). some say that this would create bad inclinations in the children of those who don't do circumcision. like their inclination toward adultery ... though I have to double check it to make sure.
3- other changes that would cause Christians to be weak and docile toward Jews. like turning one's cheek after being slapped ... which

paul himself or some other people introduced things like trinity, turning water into wine ... that further degraded Christianity
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10/27/2016 10:33:58 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/27/2016 9:12:03 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/27/2016 8:52:25 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 8:40:03 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/27/2016 3:57:39 PM, lightseeker wrote:
the complete title would be:

What remains of Allah"s provision is better for you, should you be faithful

humans are very complex creatures. after all these years of scientific discoveries, we're yet to find real cure for many of our diseases. we've yet to find a cure for cancer, Aids, Diabetes, ...
and even if we did, other diseases that didn't exist before, either physical, mental or spiritual ones, will plague humankind and will waste a lot of our times and resources.

our physical health is just one small part of this puzzle. even if we had found the path to perfect physical health, that would just worsen the situation in the world. elites don't want people to live long and use "their" resources. superpowers want you to be poor and sick, so that they can control you and use you as yet another resource in their pocket. that's why things like food genocide plan were offered by Henry Kissinger.

also, nowadays people have become pray to different Ideologies, lifestyles, teachings. it's safe to say that normal humans, have become lab rats for the ones with power and influence. follow the history of Marxism, communism, liberalism, ... and you'll find that these were once thought of as true ways of reaching happiness. yet after a couple of decades and millions of lives lost, the leaders would announce that they were mistaken about their beliefs and their approach wasn't right.
now who's to answer for all of these lost lives and troubled souls?

even if all these problem were to go away, the ultimate goal of humans would simply be defined as "be free, and don't bother other people". it's like telling a bunch of players in a concert that "play as you like, just don't bother the person next to you." now if you go and listen to the performance of the people who follow this method, their performance would disgust you and the music that they create wouldn't really have any worth.

but God sent prophets to guide people to the right path, and told people that you're placed in the world, to get ready for your eternal and heavenly life. and the Earth is not you home, just as a womb is not a home for a human, it's just a temporary place that we stay in to develop and gain the requirements of living in our real home.

now, a creator of something, is the most knowledgeable person about that thing. if you have a cellphone, you'll go to it's creator or their representatives if you have a problem with it. so, if you have a problem with yourself, where would you go?

wouldn't you like it if a person with all the knowledge about the world and our bodies and our soul existed among you, who could solve any problem you have and could guide you to the happiness and wealth, in this world and the next?

a person who'd fill the world with justice and would break the splendor of those corrupt rulers who'd easily trade human life with oil and resources?

a person who'd heal the earth and would bring rain and would feed the poor and clothe the naked and would be a father for orphans and would cries for the hardships that people are going through.

that's what remains of God's provision. and he's alive and is among us, and he's waiting for you to pray for his return.

don't ask for specific person if you don't like it, just pray to God to help you and other people by sending what remains of his provision to you. it's better for you, if you know it.

why do you say God in the title and allah in the thread, that will confuse those who do not know the difference.............

there is no difference. Allah is the Arabic name for God.

but allah is not the God of the bible...

Yes, they are both the same God, the Abrahamic God.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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10/27/2016 11:08:35 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/27/2016 9:25:38 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 10/27/2016 6:39:33 PM, lightseeker wrote:

... but God gave people freewill and made them responsible for their actions. and people can still choose to follow the right path and stand against those who're killing children for oil and creating an endless state of war in the world to sell their weapons.

It's only the illusion of free will. If everything is written as Islam teaches (you obviously ignore the teachings) then it is decreed what happens past, present and future. Nothing occurs except by the will of Allah if you accept Muslim thought. Therefore, whilst humans appear to have autonomy, it is only a sham since Allah supposedly knows everything, ie. "it is written".

what is known by God is what people have done with their freewill. think about it this way: if you could study the life of a person who'd lived 100 years ago and who'd died, does your knowledge of his actions, mean that he didn't have freewill when he was alive? no it doesn't. because your knowledge about his actions, is based on his own choices.
God is not a temporal being. therefor, he sees all simultaneously. God knows what I'll do with my freewill from now until the day I die. and that's because in the eye of God I've already done them.

what's more, God knows everything before they're even created. and as Quran says:

There is no animal on the earth, but that its sustenance lies with Allah, and He knows its [enduring] abode and its temporary place of lodging. Everything is in a manifest Book.

With Him are the treasures of the Unseen; no one knows them except Him. He knows whatever there is in land and sea. No leaf falls without His knowing it, nor is there a grain in the darkness of the earth, nor anything fresh or withered but it is in a manifest Book.

...
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10/27/2016 11:21:26 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/27/2016 9:06:40 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 9:00:36 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 8:20:10 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 7:52:26 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 7:21:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 6:39:33 PM, lightseeker wrote:

So, God is weak, pathetic and useless to men corrupting his creation?
earth is just a small part of God's creation. God gave it to men and sent prophets to lead them to the right path. now if some men want to corrupt the land and others are fine with it, this will only damage and hurt themselves and not God. but God gave people freewill and made them responsible for their actions. and people can still choose to follow the right path and stand against those who're killing children for oil and creating an endless state of war in the world to sell their weapons.
So, I take it your answer to my question is, yes, God IS weak, pathetic and useless to men corrupting his creation?
why do you think God is weak? as I said, he created humans to have freewill. and also guided them to the right path. whether they want to choose that path or not, is their own choice and responsibility.
So, God is weak and a fool. He creates humans with free will and then lets them go off and corrupt his creation.
having freewill without any restraint leads people to corruption.

That would confirm God is a fool for not having known that. Of course, you can't burden free will with restraint, it wouldn't be free will, then.
manure helps the growth of trees. bad people help the growth of good ones. God guides all to the path of righteousness. but those who choose this worldly life instead of eternal life and corrupt the crops and the people, are simply selling themselves short. and those who stand against them to repel their vileness, grow and earn God's blessing in this life of theirs and their afterlife.

God doesn't need humans or any other creation, yet we need God and all his blessings.

No, we don't God and his blessings. He is a fool who should be ignored.
you can ignore Allah if you like. and you'll be ignored and sent to hell on the day of judgement.
but people are realizing that this system is not working anymore. take a look at the walk of Arbaeen.

and corruption of the land doesn't hurt God. the size of this world compared to the next world, is like the size of a womb compared to the whole world. God said if this world had any worth in the eyes, he wouldn't give a drink of water to the infidels. yet, this world is worthy for us, because it's a stage for us to develop and get ready for our complete and everlasting life.

That's just more fairy tale nonsense, talk like an adult, not a child.

prophets are men, yet they're infallible. think about it this way, God who's omnipotent and omniscient, created humans. now if humans have problems or questions about themselves, they'd go to prophets. if those prophets are fallible, then how men can trust them with the word of God?
LOL. The answer to that is simple, you can't trust them, they're men like any others, and are just as fallible.
well most men are fallible. but prophets who guide to God are not

If they are men, they are fallible. Your claim is empty.

. if a cellphone manufacturer can train people who'd fix their cellphones without fail, how can God which is omniscient and omnipotent be unable to do so?

What do cell phones have to do with anything?

Iran was known to be an Islamic country. yet it was ruled by rules that weren't Islamic. it was only after the evolution that we're starting to implement some of the Islamic rules in our society, though we have a long way to go.

You've had over 1400 years to implement Islamic rules and still haven't got it right. Your ideology is a failure, just like other religious ideologies.
unfortunately that's not the case. as I said before, we've had only a couple of decades to implement the teachings of true Islam.

Wrong. You've had over 1400 years to implement Islam.

and because of sanctions and war imposed on us, we've had a hard time doing so, though everything is more or less going as planned and you've probably heard the name of Iran a lot in your own presidential candidates' debates. which shows the importance and power of the new Iran.
we've supported Hezbollah in Lebanon and they defeated Israel in 33-day war. our friends are fighting Saudi/Turkey/Israeli funded ISIS and are defeating them. we're getting stronger and you're getting weaker. it's only a matter of time bro
and history has shown that no oppressive empire will last long. and American Empire right now, is very oppressive.

Yes, Islam has been at war for as long as it's been around.

following prophets bring peace and security

Prophets are frauds and liars who corrupt peoples minds., who lie to them and keep people ignorant and fearful. They should be ignored and placed under psychiatric evaluation.
Moses went to Pharaoh alone with his brother, and freed all those people and sent pharaoh and his army to the depth of Nile. Abraham defeated Nimrod and it's great army. Jesus talked to people in his cradle. Muhammad turned Arabia, from a barbaric and savage land, to a peaceful and just community in his time, even though he was an orphan and was abandoned by his tribe. so, you so called logic fails.

Your fairy tales have no meaning here. Sorry.
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10/27/2016 11:29:22 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/27/2016 11:21:26 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 9:06:40 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 9:00:36 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 8:20:10 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 7:52:26 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 7:21:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 6:39:33 PM, lightseeker wrote:

So, God is weak, pathetic and useless to men corrupting his creation?
earth is just a small part of God's creation. God gave it to men and sent prophets to lead them to the right path. now if some men want to corrupt the land and others are fine with it, this will only damage and hurt themselves and not God. but God gave people freewill and made them responsible for their actions. and people can still choose to follow the right path and stand against those who're killing children for oil and creating an endless state of war in the world to sell their weapons.
So, I take it your answer to my question is, yes, God IS weak, pathetic and useless to men corrupting his creation?
why do you think God is weak? as I said, he created humans to have freewill. and also guided them to the right path. whether they want to choose that path or not, is their own choice and responsibility.
So, God is weak and a fool. He creates humans with free will and then lets them go off and corrupt his creation.
having freewill without any restraint leads people to corruption.

That would confirm God is a fool for not having known that. Of course, you can't burden free will with restraint, it wouldn't be free will, then.
manure helps the growth of trees. bad people help the growth of good ones. God guides all to the path of righteousness. but those who choose this worldly life instead of eternal life and corrupt the crops and the people, are simply selling themselves short. and those who stand against them to repel their vileness, grow and earn God's blessing in this life of theirs and their afterlife.

And those who ignore all that nonsense live free, happy lives.

God doesn't need humans or any other creation, yet we need God and all his blessings.

No, we don't God and his blessings. He is a fool who should be ignored.
you can ignore Allah if you like. and you'll be ignored and sent to hell on the day of judgement.

LOL. So, your God is an evil prick.

but people are realizing that this system is not working anymore. take a look at the walk of Arbaeen.

Yes, Islam is not working, take a look at freedom.

and corruption of the land doesn't hurt God. the size of this world compared to the next world, is like the size of a womb compared to the whole world. God said if this world had any worth in the eyes, he wouldn't give a drink of water to the infidels. yet, this world is worthy for us, because it's a stage for us to develop and get ready for our complete and everlasting life.

That's just more fairy tale nonsense, talk like an adult, not a child.

prophets are men, yet they're infallible. think about it this way, God who's omnipotent and omniscient, created humans. now if humans have problems or questions about themselves, they'd go to prophets. if those prophets are fallible, then how men can trust them with the word of God?
LOL. The answer to that is simple, you can't trust them, they're men like any others, and are just as fallible.
well most men are fallible. but prophets who guide to God are not

If they are men, they are fallible. Your claim is empty.

. if a cellphone manufacturer can train people who'd fix their cellphones without fail, how can God which is omniscient and omnipotent be unable to do so?

What do cell phones have to do with anything?

Iran was known to be an Islamic country. yet it was ruled by rules that weren't Islamic. it was only after the evolution that we're starting to implement some of the Islamic rules in our society, though we have a long way to go.

You've had over 1400 years to implement Islamic rules and still haven't got it right. Your ideology is a failure, just like other religious ideologies.
unfortunately that's not the case. as I said before, we've had only a couple of decades to implement the teachings of true Islam.

Wrong. You've had over 1400 years to implement Islam.

and because of sanctions and war imposed on us, we've had a hard time doing so, though everything is more or less going as planned and you've probably heard the name of Iran a lot in your own presidential candidates' debates. which shows the importance and power of the new Iran.
we've supported Hezbollah in Lebanon and they defeated Israel in 33-day war. our friends are fighting Saudi/Turkey/Israeli funded ISIS and are defeating them. we're getting stronger and you're getting weaker. it's only a matter of time bro
and history has shown that no oppressive empire will last long. and American Empire right now, is very oppressive.

Yes, Islam has been at war for as long as it's been around.

following prophets bring peace and security

Prophets are frauds and liars who corrupt peoples minds., who lie to them and keep people ignorant and fearful. They should be ignored and placed under psychiatric evaluation.
Moses went to Pharaoh alone with his brother, and freed all those people and sent pharaoh and his army to the depth of Nile. Abraham defeated Nimrod and it's great army. Jesus talked to people in his cradle. Muhammad turned Arabia, from a barbaric and savage land, to a peaceful and just community in his time, even though he was an orphan and was abandoned by his tribe. so, you so called logic fails.

Your fairy tales have no meaning here. Sorry.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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10/27/2016 11:50:59 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/27/2016 11:29:22 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 11:21:26 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 9:06:40 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 9:00:36 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 8:20:10 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 7:52:26 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 7:21:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 6:39:33 PM, lightseeker wrote:

So, God is weak, pathetic and useless to men corrupting his creation?
earth is just a small part of God's creation. God gave it to men and sent prophets to lead them to the right path. now if some men want to corrupt the land and others are fine with it, this will only damage and hurt themselves and not God. but God gave people freewill and made them responsible for their actions. and people can still choose to follow the right path and stand against those who're killing children for oil and creating an endless state of war in the world to sell their weapons.
So, I take it your answer to my question is, yes, God IS weak, pathetic and useless to men corrupting his creation?
why do you think God is weak? as I said, he created humans to have freewill. and also guided them to the right path. whether they want to choose that path or not, is their own choice and responsibility.
So, God is weak and a fool. He creates humans with free will and then lets them go off and corrupt his creation.
having freewill without any restraint leads people to corruption.

That would confirm God is a fool for not having known that. Of course, you can't burden free will with restraint, it wouldn't be free will, then.
manure helps the growth of trees. bad people help the growth of good ones. God guides all to the path of righteousness. but those who choose this worldly life instead of eternal life and corrupt the crops and the people, are simply selling themselves short. and those who stand against them to repel their vileness, grow and earn God's blessing in this life of theirs and their afterlife.

And those who ignore all that nonsense live free, happy lives.
like a fetus in a womb that only prepares itself for the life in the womb and comes to this world unprepared?

God doesn't need humans or any other creation, yet we need God and all his blessings.

No, we don't God and his blessings. He is a fool who should be ignored.
you can ignore Allah if you like. and you'll be ignored and sent to hell on the day of judgement.

LOL. So, your God is an evil prick.
your actions play the music of your afterlife old man. it's not like you're actually enjoying your life right now. you're forced to work on this forum for a little bit of money, while you clearly don't even like it. otherwise you'd study a little bit to at least give your posts a hint of logical reasoning.

but people are realizing that this system is not working anymore. take a look at the walk of Arbaeen.

Yes, Islam is not working, take a look at freedom.

and corruption of the land doesn't hurt God. the size of this world compared to the next world, is like the size of a womb compared to the whole world. God said if this world had any worth in the eyes, he wouldn't give a drink of water to the infidels. yet, this world is worthy for us, because it's a stage for us to develop and get ready for our complete and everlasting life.

That's just more fairy tale nonsense, talk like an adult, not a child.

prophets are men, yet they're infallible. think about it this way, God who's omnipotent and omniscient, created humans. now if humans have problems or questions about themselves, they'd go to prophets. if those prophets are fallible, then how men can trust them with the word of God?
LOL. The answer to that is simple, you can't trust them, they're men like any others, and are just as fallible.
well most men are fallible. but prophets who guide to God are not

If they are men, they are fallible. Your claim is empty.

. if a cellphone manufacturer can train people who'd fix their cellphones without fail, how can God which is omniscient and omnipotent be unable to do so?

What do cell phones have to do with anything?

Iran was known to be an Islamic country. yet it was ruled by rules that weren't Islamic. it was only after the evolution that we're starting to implement some of the Islamic rules in our society, though we have a long way to go.

You've had over 1400 years to implement Islamic rules and still haven't got it right. Your ideology is a failure, just like other religious ideologies.
unfortunately that's not the case. as I said before, we've had only a couple of decades to implement the teachings of true Islam.

Wrong. You've had over 1400 years to implement Islam.

and because of sanctions and war imposed on us, we've had a hard time doing so, though everything is more or less going as planned and you've probably heard the name of Iran a lot in your own presidential candidates' debates. which shows the importance and power of the new Iran.
we've supported Hezbollah in Lebanon and they defeated Israel in 33-day war. our friends are fighting Saudi/Turkey/Israeli funded ISIS and are defeating them. we're getting stronger and you're getting weaker. it's only a matter of time bro
and history has shown that no oppressive empire will last long. and American Empire right now, is very oppressive.

Yes, Islam has been at war for as long as it's been around.

following prophets bring peace and security

Prophets are frauds and liars who corrupt peoples minds., who lie to them and keep people ignorant and fearful. They should be ignored and placed under psychiatric evaluation.
Moses went to Pharaoh alone with his brother, and freed all those people and sent pharaoh and his army to the depth of Nile. Abraham defeated Nimrod and it's great army. Jesus talked to people in his cradle. Muhammad turned Arabia, from a barbaric and savage land, to a peaceful and just community in his time, even though he was an orphan and was abandoned by his tribe. so, you so called logic fails.

Your fairy tales have no meaning here. Sorry.

I'm patient with you, for a reason
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10/28/2016 1:28:52 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/27/2016 11:50:59 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 11:29:22 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 11:21:26 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 9:06:40 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 9:00:36 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 8:20:10 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 7:52:26 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 7:21:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 6:39:33 PM, lightseeker wrote:

So, God is weak, pathetic and useless to men corrupting his creation?
earth is just a small part of God's creation. God gave it to men and sent prophets to lead them to the right path. now if some men want to corrupt the land and others are fine with it, this will only damage and hurt themselves and not God. but God gave people freewill and made them responsible for their actions. and people can still choose to follow the right path and stand against those who're killing children for oil and creating an endless state of war in the world to sell their weapons.
So, I take it your answer to my question is, yes, God IS weak, pathetic and useless to men corrupting his creation?
why do you think God is weak? as I said, he created humans to have freewill. and also guided them to the right path. whether they want to choose that path or not, is their own choice and responsibility.
So, God is weak and a fool. He creates humans with free will and then lets them go off and corrupt his creation.
having freewill without any restraint leads people to corruption.

That would confirm God is a fool for not having known that. Of course, you can't burden free will with restraint, it wouldn't be free will, then.
manure helps the growth of trees. bad people help the growth of good ones. God guides all to the path of righteousness. but those who choose this worldly life instead of eternal life and corrupt the crops and the people, are simply selling themselves short. and those who stand against them to repel their vileness, grow and earn God's blessing in this life of theirs and their afterlife.

And those who ignore all that nonsense live free, happy lives.
like a fetus in a womb that only prepares itself for the life in the womb and comes to this world unprepared?

A fetus can prepare itself? LOL. Hilarious.

God doesn't need humans or any other creation, yet we need God and all his blessings.

No, we don't God and his blessings. He is a fool who should be ignored.
you can ignore Allah if you like. and you'll be ignored and sent to hell on the day of judgement.

LOL. So, your God is an evil prick.
your actions play the music of your afterlife old man.

Sorry, but I don't believe in your childish fairy tales.

it's not like you're actually enjoying your life right now.

Sure, I am.

you're forced to work on this forum for a little bit of money, while you clearly don't even like it. otherwise you'd study a little bit to at least give your posts a hint of logical reasoning.

but people are realizing that this system is not working anymore. take a look at the walk of Arbaeen.

Yes, Islam is not working, take a look at freedom.

and corruption of the land doesn't hurt God. the size of this world compared to the next world, is like the size of a womb compared to the whole world. God said if this world had any worth in the eyes, he wouldn't give a drink of water to the infidels. yet, this world is worthy for us, because it's a stage for us to develop and get ready for our complete and everlasting life.

That's just more fairy tale nonsense, talk like an adult, not a child.

prophets are men, yet they're infallible. think about it this way, God who's omnipotent and omniscient, created humans. now if humans have problems or questions about themselves, they'd go to prophets. if those prophets are fallible, then how men can trust them with the word of God?
LOL. The answer to that is simple, you can't trust them, they're men like any others, and are just as fallible.
well most men are fallible. but prophets who guide to God are not

If they are men, they are fallible. Your claim is empty.

. if a cellphone manufacturer can train people who'd fix their cellphones without fail, how can God which is omniscient and omnipotent be unable to do so?

What do cell phones have to do with anything?

Iran was known to be an Islamic country. yet it was ruled by rules that weren't Islamic. it was only after the evolution that we're starting to implement some of the Islamic rules in our society, though we have a long way to go.

You've had over 1400 years to implement Islamic rules and still haven't got it right. Your ideology is a failure, just like other religious ideologies.
unfortunately that's not the case. as I said before, we've had only a couple of decades to implement the teachings of true Islam.

Wrong. You've had over 1400 years to implement Islam.

and because of sanctions and war imposed on us, we've had a hard time doing so, though everything is more or less going as planned and you've probably heard the name of Iran a lot in your own presidential candidates' debates. which shows the importance and power of the new Iran.
we've supported Hezbollah in Lebanon and they defeated Israel in 33-day war. our friends are fighting Saudi/Turkey/Israeli funded ISIS and are defeating them. we're getting stronger and you're getting weaker. it's only a matter of time bro
and history has shown that no oppressive empire will last long. and American Empire right now, is very oppressive.

Yes, Islam has been at war for as long as it's been around.

following prophets bring peace and security

Prophets are frauds and liars who corrupt peoples minds., who lie to them and keep people ignorant and fearful. They should be ignored and placed under psychiatric evaluation.

Your fairy tales have no meaning here. Sorry.

I'm patient with you, for a reason
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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10/28/2016 1:54:53 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/27/2016 11:08:35 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 9:25:38 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 10/27/2016 6:39:33 PM, lightseeker wrote:

... but God gave people freewill and made them responsible for their actions. and people can still choose to follow the right path and stand against those who're killing children for oil and creating an endless state of war in the world to sell their weapons.

It's only the illusion of free will. If everything is written as Islam teaches (you obviously ignore the teachings) then it is decreed what happens past, present and future. Nothing occurs except by the will of Allah if you accept Muslim thought. Therefore, whilst humans appear to have autonomy, it is only a sham since Allah supposedly knows everything, ie. "it is written".

what is known by God is what people have done with their freewill. think about it this way: if you could study the life of a person who'd lived 100 years ago and who'd died, does your knowledge of his actions, mean that he didn't have freewill when he was alive?

False analogy. My knowledge is after the fact and that is fine. Allah's alleged knowledge is before the fact. Hence no free will.

no it doesn't. because your knowledge about his actions, is based on his own choices.

From wikipedia:
"The Decree of Allah that is written in Al-Lawh Al-Mahfuud before the creation of the universe. This destiny written in the preserved tablet is never changed and encompasses everything that will be."

Knowledge after the fact is not the issue.

God is not a temporal being. therefor, he sees all simultaneously.

Bare assertion which is unrelated to the question of free will.

God knows what I'll do with my freewill from now until the day I die. and that's because in the eye of God I've already done them.

Hence your choices are only illusory. No true free will.

what's more, God knows everything before they're even created. and as Quran says:

There is no animal on the earth, but that its sustenance lies with Allah, and He knows its [enduring] abode and its temporary place of lodging. Everything is in a manifest Book.

With Him are the treasures of the Unseen; no one knows them except Him. He knows whatever there is in land and sea. No leaf falls without His knowing it, nor is there a grain in the darkness of the earth, nor anything fresh or withered but it is in a manifest Book

Yes, that is the point I am making. This proves that your claim about free will in Islam is false.
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10/28/2016 7:48:26 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/27/2016 6:39:33 PM, lightseeker wrote:
prophets are men, yet they're infallible. think about it this way, God who's omnipotent and omniscient, created humans.
Proving conclusively that he is incapable of creating infallible men. Sorry profits.
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10/28/2016 4:25:57 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/27/2016 10:29:58 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 9:12:03 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/27/2016 8:52:25 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 8:40:03 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/27/2016 3:57:39 PM, lightseeker wrote:
the complete title would be:

What remains of Allah"s provision is better for you, should you be faithful

humans are very complex creatures. after all these years of scientific discoveries, we're yet to find real cure for many of our diseases. we've yet to find a cure for cancer, Aids, Diabetes, ...
and even if we did, other diseases that didn't exist before, either physical, mental or spiritual ones, will plague humankind and will waste a lot of our times and resources.

our physical health is just one small part of this puzzle. even if we had found the path to perfect physical health, that would just worsen the situation in the world. elites don't want people to live long and use "their" resources. superpowers want you to be poor and sick, so that they can control you and use you as yet another resource in their pocket. that's why things like food genocide plan were offered by Henry Kissinger.

also, nowadays people have become pray to different Ideologies, lifestyles, teachings. it's safe to say that normal humans, have become lab rats for the ones with power and influence. follow the history of Marxism, communism, liberalism, ... and you'll find that these were once thought of as true ways of reaching happiness. yet after a couple of decades and millions of lives lost, the leaders would announce that they were mistaken about their beliefs and their approach wasn't right.
now who's to answer for all of these lost lives and troubled souls?

even if all these problem were to go away, the ultimate goal of humans would simply be defined as "be free, and don't bother other people". it's like telling a bunch of players in a concert that "play as you like, just don't bother the person next to you." now if you go and listen to the performance of the people who follow this method, their performance would disgust you and the music that they create wouldn't really have any worth.

but God sent prophets to guide people to the right path, and told people that you're placed in the world, to get ready for your eternal and heavenly life. and the Earth is not you home, just as a womb is not a home for a human, it's just a temporary place that we stay in to develop and gain the requirements of living in our real home.

now, a creator of something, is the most knowledgeable person about that thing. if you have a cellphone, you'll go to it's creator or their representatives if you have a problem with it. so, if you have a problem with yourself, where would you go?

wouldn't you like it if a person with all the knowledge about the world and our bodies and our soul existed among you, who could solve any problem you have and could guide you to the happiness and wealth, in this world and the next?

a person who'd fill the world with justice and would break the splendor of those corrupt rulers who'd easily trade human life with oil and resources?

a person who'd heal the earth and would bring rain and would feed the poor and clothe the naked and would be a father for orphans and would cries for the hardships that people are going through.

that's what remains of God's provision. and he's alive and is among us, and he's waiting for you to pray for his return.

don't ask for specific person if you don't like it, just pray to God to help you and other people by sending what remains of his provision to you. it's better for you, if you know it.

why do you say God in the title and allah in the thread, that will confuse those who do not know the difference.............

there is no difference. Allah is the Arabic name for God.

but allah is not the God of the bible...

we believe in Jesus and Mary. and we believe that God sent Jesus, and Moses, and Noah, and Abraham, and Muhammad. though we also believe that somewhere along the line, some people changed Christianity and distort it to make it docile toward Jews. check the biography of saint Paul for example. he was a Jew, who'd fought against and even had killed Christians. yet, if you kill people because of their beliefs and thoughts, then you're making those beliefs and thoughts stronger. so he decided to change Christianity from inside. so he said: I've met with Jesus and he's told me to change Christianity ... even though Jesus himself hadn't said any of the things Paul brought when he was alive and had time. so basically, Paul said:
1- Jesus is God: this caused people to see Jesus as their God and therefor not use him as a role model for themselves. because after all, how can man become like God?
2- no circumcision: this would effect the next generations (though I have to do some more research to determine what exact effect does this have on people). some say that this would create bad inclinations in the children of those who don't do circumcision. like their inclination toward adultery ... though I have to double check it to make sure.
3- other changes that would cause Christians to be weak and docile toward Jews. like turning one's cheek after being slapped ... which

paul himself or some other people introduced things like trinity, turning water into wine ... that further degraded Christianity

you do not believe Jesus is the son of God as the bible says, he was just a good prophet...

besides that allah says I have no son....

God of the bible says this is my son in whom I am well pleased...

they are not the same God...

the God of the bible says the Jews are my chosen people...

allah says kill the people of the book..

they cannot be the same God...
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10/28/2016 4:27:25 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/27/2016 10:33:58 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 9:12:03 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/27/2016 8:52:25 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 8:40:03 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/27/2016 3:57:39 PM, lightseeker wrote:
the complete title would be:

What remains of Allah"s provision is better for you, should you be faithful

humans are very complex creatures. after all these years of scientific discoveries, we're yet to find real cure for many of our diseases. we've yet to find a cure for cancer, Aids, Diabetes, ...
and even if we did, other diseases that didn't exist before, either physical, mental or spiritual ones, will plague humankind and will waste a lot of our times and resources.

our physical health is just one small part of this puzzle. even if we had found the path to perfect physical health, that would just worsen the situation in the world. elites don't want people to live long and use "their" resources. superpowers want you to be poor and sick, so that they can control you and use you as yet another resource in their pocket. that's why things like food genocide plan were offered by Henry Kissinger.

also, nowadays people have become pray to different Ideologies, lifestyles, teachings. it's safe to say that normal humans, have become lab rats for the ones with power and influence. follow the history of Marxism, communism, liberalism, ... and you'll find that these were once thought of as true ways of reaching happiness. yet after a couple of decades and millions of lives lost, the leaders would announce that they were mistaken about their beliefs and their approach wasn't right.
now who's to answer for all of these lost lives and troubled souls?

even if all these problem were to go away, the ultimate goal of humans would simply be defined as "be free, and don't bother other people". it's like telling a bunch of players in a concert that "play as you like, just don't bother the person next to you." now if you go and listen to the performance of the people who follow this method, their performance would disgust you and the music that they create wouldn't really have any worth.

but God sent prophets to guide people to the right path, and told people that you're placed in the world, to get ready for your eternal and heavenly life. and the Earth is not you home, just as a womb is not a home for a human, it's just a temporary place that we stay in to develop and gain the requirements of living in our real home.

now, a creator of something, is the most knowledgeable person about that thing. if you have a cellphone, you'll go to it's creator or their representatives if you have a problem with it. so, if you have a problem with yourself, where would you go?

wouldn't you like it if a person with all the knowledge about the world and our bodies and our soul existed among you, who could solve any problem you have and could guide you to the happiness and wealth, in this world and the next?

a person who'd fill the world with justice and would break the splendor of those corrupt rulers who'd easily trade human life with oil and resources?

a person who'd heal the earth and would bring rain and would feed the poor and clothe the naked and would be a father for orphans and would cries for the hardships that people are going through.

that's what remains of God's provision. and he's alive and is among us, and he's waiting for you to pray for his return.

don't ask for specific person if you don't like it, just pray to God to help you and other people by sending what remains of his provision to you. it's better for you, if you know it.

why do you say God in the title and allah in the thread, that will confuse those who do not know the difference.............

there is no difference. Allah is the Arabic name for God.

but allah is not the God of the bible...

Yes, they are both the same God, the Abrahamic God.

no they are not they cannot be...

allah says I have no son...

God of the bible says, This is my son in whom I a well pleased....

they cannot be the same God..
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10/28/2016 5:01:52 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/28/2016 4:27:25 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/27/2016 10:33:58 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 9:12:03 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/27/2016 8:52:25 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 8:40:03 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/27/2016 3:57:39 PM, lightseeker wrote:
the complete title would be:

What remains of Allah"s provision is better for you, should you be faithful

humans are very complex creatures. after all these years of scientific discoveries, we're yet to find real cure for many of our diseases. we've yet to find a cure for cancer, Aids, Diabetes, ...
and even if we did, other diseases that didn't exist before, either physical, mental or spiritual ones, will plague humankind and will waste a lot of our times and resources.

our physical health is just one small part of this puzzle. even if we had found the path to perfect physical health, that would just worsen the situation in the world. elites don't want people to live long and use "their" resources. superpowers want you to be poor and sick, so that they can control you and use you as yet another resource in their pocket. that's why things like food genocide plan were offered by Henry Kissinger.

also, nowadays people have become pray to different Ideologies, lifestyles, teachings. it's safe to say that normal humans, have become lab rats for the ones with power and influence. follow the history of Marxism, communism, liberalism, ... and you'll find that these were once thought of as true ways of reaching happiness. yet after a couple of decades and millions of lives lost, the leaders would announce that they were mistaken about their beliefs and their approach wasn't right.
now who's to answer for all of these lost lives and troubled souls?

even if all these problem were to go away, the ultimate goal of humans would simply be defined as "be free, and don't bother other people". it's like telling a bunch of players in a concert that "play as you like, just don't bother the person next to you." now if you go and listen to the performance of the people who follow this method, their performance would disgust you and the music that they create wouldn't really have any worth.

but God sent prophets to guide people to the right path, and told people that you're placed in the world, to get ready for your eternal and heavenly life. and the Earth is not you home, just as a womb is not a home for a human, it's just a temporary place that we stay in to develop and gain the requirements of living in our real home.

now, a creator of something, is the most knowledgeable person about that thing. if you have a cellphone, you'll go to it's creator or their representatives if you have a problem with it. so, if you have a problem with yourself, where would you go?

wouldn't you like it if a person with all the knowledge about the world and our bodies and our soul existed among you, who could solve any problem you have and could guide you to the happiness and wealth, in this world and the next?

a person who'd fill the world with justice and would break the splendor of those corrupt rulers who'd easily trade human life with oil and resources?

a person who'd heal the earth and would bring rain and would feed the poor and clothe the naked and would be a father for orphans and would cries for the hardships that people are going through.

that's what remains of God's provision. and he's alive and is among us, and he's waiting for you to pray for his return.

don't ask for specific person if you don't like it, just pray to God to help you and other people by sending what remains of his provision to you. it's better for you, if you know it.

why do you say God in the title and allah in the thread, that will confuse those who do not know the difference.............

there is no difference. Allah is the Arabic name for God.

but allah is not the God of the bible...

Yes, they are both the same God, the Abrahamic God.

no they are not they cannot be...

allah says I have no son...

God of the bible says, This is my son in whom I a well pleased....

they cannot be the same God..

It's truly amazing considering how little you know of everything else, one would suspect you would know something about your own religion.

It doesn't matter what you believe Allah says, it is well known that Muhammad refers to the Abrahamic God as Allah, just like Christianity and Judaism. They all refer to the same God. The difference is in the varying beliefs, Christians believe Jesus is the son of God, while Muslims simply don't accept that claim.

Must we hold your hand through every single concept? Have you actually never bothered to research anything in your life? Ever? It sure seems that way.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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10/28/2016 5:16:21 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/28/2016 5:01:52 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/28/2016 4:27:25 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/27/2016 10:33:58 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 9:12:03 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/27/2016 8:52:25 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 8:40:03 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/27/2016 3:57:39 PM, lightseeker wrote:
the complete title would be:

What remains of Allah"s provision is better for you, should you be faithful

humans are very complex creatures. after all these years of scientific discoveries, we're yet to find real cure for many of our diseases. we've yet to find a cure for cancer, Aids, Diabetes, ...
and even if we did, other diseases that didn't exist before, either physical, mental or spiritual ones, will plague humankind and will waste a lot of our times and resources.

our physical health is just one small part of this puzzle. even if we had found the path to perfect physical health, that would just worsen the situation in the world. elites don't want people to live long and use "their" resources. superpowers want you to be poor and sick, so that they can control you and use you as yet another resource in their pocket. that's why things like food genocide plan were offered by Henry Kissinger.

also, nowadays people have become pray to different Ideologies, lifestyles, teachings. it's safe to say that normal humans, have become lab rats for the ones with power and influence. follow the history of Marxism, communism, liberalism, ... and you'll find that these were once thought of as true ways of reaching happiness. yet after a couple of decades and millions of lives lost, the leaders would announce that they were mistaken about their beliefs and their approach wasn't right.
now who's to answer for all of these lost lives and troubled souls?

even if all these problem were to go away, the ultimate goal of humans would simply be defined as "be free, and don't bother other people". it's like telling a bunch of players in a concert that "play as you like, just don't bother the person next to you." now if you go and listen to the performance of the people who follow this method, their performance would disgust you and the music that they create wouldn't really have any worth.

but God sent prophets to guide people to the right path, and told people that you're placed in the world, to get ready for your eternal and heavenly life. and the Earth is not you home, just as a womb is not a home for a human, it's just a temporary place that we stay in to develop and gain the requirements of living in our real home.

now, a creator of something, is the most knowledgeable person about that thing. if you have a cellphone, you'll go to it's creator or their representatives if you have a problem with it. so, if you have a problem with yourself, where would you go?

wouldn't you like it if a person with all the knowledge about the world and our bodies and our soul existed among you, who could solve any problem you have and could guide you to the happiness and wealth, in this world and the next?

a person who'd fill the world with justice and would break the splendor of those corrupt rulers who'd easily trade human life with oil and resources?

a person who'd heal the earth and would bring rain and would feed the poor and clothe the naked and would be a father for orphans and would cries for the hardships that people are going through.

that's what remains of God's provision. and he's alive and is among us, and he's waiting for you to pray for his return.

don't ask for specific person if you don't like it, just pray to God to help you and other people by sending what remains of his provision to you. it's better for you, if you know it.

why do you say God in the title and allah in the thread, that will confuse those who do not know the difference.............

there is no difference. Allah is the Arabic name for God.

but allah is not the God of the bible...

Yes, they are both the same God, the Abrahamic God.

no they are not they cannot be...

allah says I have no son...

God of the bible says, This is my son in whom I a well pleased....

they cannot be the same God..

It's truly amazing considering how little you know of everything else, one would suspect you would know something about your own religion.

It doesn't matter what you believe Allah says, it is well known that Muhammad refers to the Abrahamic God as Allah, just like Christianity and Judaism. They all refer to the same God. The difference is in the varying beliefs, Christians believe Jesus is the son of God, while Muslims simply don't accept that claim.

Must we hold your hand through every single concept? Have you actually never bothered to research anything in your life? Ever? It sure seems that way.

so explain to me how the same God can have a son and not have a son...

explain why the God of the bible has the jews as his chosen people, while allah says kill the people of the book, why would the same God want his chosen people killed...

do you think odin is the same as allah........, ??????//
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10/28/2016 5:46:29 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/28/2016 5:16:21 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/28/2016 5:01:52 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/28/2016 4:27:25 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/27/2016 10:33:58 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 9:12:03 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/27/2016 8:52:25 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 8:40:03 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/27/2016 3:57:39 PM, lightseeker wrote:
the complete title would be:

What remains of Allah"s provision is better for you, should you be faithful

humans are very complex creatures. after all these years of scientific discoveries, we're yet to find real cure for many of our diseases. we've yet to find a cure for cancer, Aids, Diabetes, ...
and even if we did, other diseases that didn't exist before, either physical, mental or spiritual ones, will plague humankind and will waste a lot of our times and resources.

our physical health is just one small part of this puzzle. even if we had found the path to perfect physical health, that would just worsen the situation in the world. elites don't want people to live long and use "their" resources. superpowers want you to be poor and sick, so that they can control you and use you as yet another resource in their pocket. that's why things like food genocide plan were offered by Henry Kissinger.

also, nowadays people have become pray to different Ideologies, lifestyles, teachings. it's safe to say that normal humans, have become lab rats for the ones with power and influence. follow the history of Marxism, communism, liberalism, ... and you'll find that these were once thought of as true ways of reaching happiness. yet after a couple of decades and millions of lives lost, the leaders would announce that they were mistaken about their beliefs and their approach wasn't right.
now who's to answer for all of these lost lives and troubled souls?

even if all these problem were to go away, the ultimate goal of humans would simply be defined as "be free, and don't bother other people". it's like telling a bunch of players in a concert that "play as you like, just don't bother the person next to you." now if you go and listen to the performance of the people who follow this method, their performance would disgust you and the music that they create wouldn't really have any worth.

but God sent prophets to guide people to the right path, and told people that you're placed in the world, to get ready for your eternal and heavenly life. and the Earth is not you home, just as a womb is not a home for a human, it's just a temporary place that we stay in to develop and gain the requirements of living in our real home.

now, a creator of something, is the most knowledgeable person about that thing. if you have a cellphone, you'll go to it's creator or their representatives if you have a problem with it. so, if you have a problem with yourself, where would you go?

wouldn't you like it if a person with all the knowledge about the world and our bodies and our soul existed among you, who could solve any problem you have and could guide you to the happiness and wealth, in this world and the next?

a person who'd fill the world with justice and would break the splendor of those corrupt rulers who'd easily trade human life with oil and resources?

a person who'd heal the earth and would bring rain and would feed the poor and clothe the naked and would be a father for orphans and would cries for the hardships that people are going through.

that's what remains of God's provision. and he's alive and is among us, and he's waiting for you to pray for his return.

don't ask for specific person if you don't like it, just pray to God to help you and other people by sending what remains of his provision to you. it's better for you, if you know it.

why do you say God in the title and allah in the thread, that will confuse those who do not know the difference.............

there is no difference. Allah is the Arabic name for God.

but allah is not the God of the bible...

Yes, they are both the same God, the Abrahamic God.

no they are not they cannot be...

allah says I have no son...

God of the bible says, This is my son in whom I a well pleased....

they cannot be the same God..

It's truly amazing considering how little you know of everything else, one would suspect you would know something about your own religion.

It doesn't matter what you believe Allah says, it is well known that Muhammad refers to the Abrahamic God as Allah, just like Christianity and Judaism. They all refer to the same God. The difference is in the varying beliefs, Christians believe Jesus is the son of God, while Muslims simply don't accept that claim.

Must we hold your hand through every single concept? Have you actually never bothered to research anything in your life? Ever? It sure seems that way.

so explain to me how the same God can have a son and not have a son...

Wow, incredibly bad reading comprehension skills you have.

Muslims don't accept the Jesus is the son of God. How much more simpler can I make it?

explain why the God of the bible has the jews as his chosen people, while allah says kill the people of the book, why would the same God want his chosen people killed...

Are you so dumb you can't figure that out? Even though, the same Abrahamic God is being referred in these religions, that doesn't mean the authors of each religions holy book agrees on what constitutes the Abrahamic God.

do you think odin is the same as allah........, ??????//

Of course, not. Duh.

You really are dense.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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10/28/2016 5:54:35 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/28/2016 5:46:29 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/28/2016 5:16:21 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/28/2016 5:01:52 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/28/2016 4:27:25 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/27/2016 10:33:58 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/27/2016 9:12:03 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/27/2016 8:52:25 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 8:40:03 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 10/27/2016 3:57:39 PM, lightseeker wrote:
the complete title would be:

What remains of Allah"s provision is better for you, should you be faithful

humans are very complex creatures. after all these years of scientific discoveries, we're yet to find real cure for many of our diseases. we've yet to find a cure for cancer, Aids, Diabetes, ...
and even if we did, other diseases that didn't exist before, either physical, mental or spiritual ones, will plague humankind and will waste a lot of our times and resources.

our physical health is just one small part of this puzzle. even if we had found the path to perfect physical health, that would just worsen the situation in the world. elites don't want people to live long and use "their" resources. superpowers want you to be poor and sick, so that they can control you and use you as yet another resource in their pocket. that's why things like food genocide plan were offered by Henry Kissinger.

also, nowadays people have become pray to different Ideologies, lifestyles, teachings. it's safe to say that normal humans, have become lab rats for the ones with power and influence. follow the history of Marxism, communism, liberalism, ... and you'll find that these were once thought of as true ways of reaching happiness. yet after a couple of decades and millions of lives lost, the leaders would announce that they were mistaken about their beliefs and their approach wasn't right.
now who's to answer for all of these lost lives and troubled souls?

even if all these problem were to go away, the ultimate goal of humans would simply be defined as "be free, and don't bother other people". it's like telling a bunch of players in a concert that "play as you like, just don't bother the person next to you." now if you go and listen to the performance of the people who follow this method, their performance would disgust you and the music that they create wouldn't really have any worth.

but God sent prophets to guide people to the right path, and told people that you're placed in the world, to get ready for your eternal and heavenly life. and the Earth is not you home, just as a womb is not a home for a human, it's just a temporary place that we stay in to develop and gain the requirements of living in our real home.

now, a creator of something, is the most knowledgeable person about that thing. if you have a cellphone, you'll go to it's creator or their representatives if you have a problem with it. so, if you have a problem with yourself, where would you go?

wouldn't you like it if a person with all the knowledge about the world and our bodies and our soul existed among you, who could solve any problem you have and could guide you to the happiness and wealth, in this world and the next?

a person who'd fill the world with justice and would break the splendor of those corrupt rulers who'd easily trade human life with oil and resources?

a person who'd heal the earth and would bring rain and would feed the poor and clothe the naked and would be a father for orphans and would cries for the hardships that people are going through.

that's what remains of God's provision. and he's alive and is among us, and he's waiting for you to pray for his return.

don't ask for specific person if you don't like it, just pray to God to help you and other people by sending what remains of his provision to you. it's better for you, if you know it.

why do you say God in the title and allah in the thread, that will confuse those who do not know the difference.............

there is no difference. Allah is the Arabic name for God.

but allah is not the God of the bible...

Yes, they are both the same God, the Abrahamic God.

no they are not they cannot be...

allah says I have no son...

God of the bible says, This is my son in whom I a well pleased....

they cannot be the same God..

It's truly amazing considering how little you know of everything else, one would suspect you would know something about your own religion.

It doesn't matter what you believe Allah says, it is well known that Muhammad refers to the Abrahamic God as Allah, just like Christianity and Judaism. They all refer to the same God. The difference is in the varying beliefs, Christians believe Jesus is the son of God, while Muslims simply don't accept that claim.

Must we hold your hand through every single concept? Have you actually never bothered to research anything in your life? Ever? It sure seems that way.

so explain to me how the same God can have a son and not have a son...

Wow, incredibly bad reading comprehension skills you have.

Muslims don't accept the Jesus is the son of God. How much more simpler can I make it?

explain why the God of the bible has the jews as his chosen people, while allah says kill the people of the book, why would the same God want his chosen people killed...

Are you so dumb you can't figure that out? Even though, the same Abrahamic God is being referred in these religions, that doesn't mean the authors of each religions holy book agrees on what constitutes the Abrahamic God.

do you think odin is the same as allah........, ??????//

Of course, not. Duh.

You really are dense.

but odin is referred to as a god,

so explain how the same God can have a son and not have a son...???
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10/28/2016 6:50:42 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/28/2016 1:54:53 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 10/27/2016 11:08:35 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 10/27/2016 9:25:38 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 10/27/2016 6:39:33 PM, lightseeker wrote:

... but God gave people freewill and made them responsible for their actions. and people can still choose to follow the right path and stand against those who're killing children for oil and creating an endless state of war in the world to sell their weapons.

It's only the illusion of free will. If everything is written as Islam teaches (you obviously ignore the teachings) then it is decreed what happens past, present and future. Nothing occurs except by the will of Allah if you accept Muslim thought. Therefore, whilst humans appear to have autonomy, it is only a sham since Allah supposedly knows everything, ie. "it is written".

what is known by God is what people have done with their freewill. think about it this way: if you could study the life of a person who'd lived 100 years ago and who'd died, does your knowledge of his actions, mean that he didn't have freewill when he was alive?

False analogy. My knowledge is after the fact and that is fine. Allah's alleged knowledge is before the fact. Hence no free will.
God's knowledge is not limited by time. therefor he knows past and present and future and they're all present for him.

no it doesn't. because your knowledge about his actions, is based on his own choices.

From wikipedia:
"The Decree of Allah that is written in Al-Lawh Al-Mahfuud before the creation of the universe. This destiny written in the preserved tablet is never changed and encompasses everything that will be."

Knowledge after the fact is not the issue.
Yes as I said, God's knowledge about my actions is based on my own freewill. it's not really that hard to understand man. God created time. so he existed and exists beyond time.

God is not a temporal being. therefor, he sees all simultaneously.

Bare assertion which is unrelated to the question of free will.
well, if God created everything, it means that he existed and nothing else existed. and then he started creating things. it seems to me that you just don't want to admit that you understand.

God knows what I'll do with my freewill from now until the day I die. and that's because in the eye of God I've already done them.

Hence your choices are only illusory. No true free will.
again. God is not a temporal being.

what's more, God knows everything before they're even created. and as Quran says:

There is no animal on the earth, but that its sustenance lies with Allah, and He knows its [enduring] abode and its temporary place of lodging. Everything is in a manifest Book.

With Him are the treasures of the Unseen; no one knows them except Him. He knows whatever there is in land and sea. No leaf falls without His knowing it, nor is there a grain in the darkness of the earth, nor anything fresh or withered but it is in a manifest Book

Yes, that is the point I am making. This proves that your claim about free will in Islam is false.
where are you from ?