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1/19/2011 7:27:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I was watching tv today when someone was talking about how creationists want to put on the cover of textbooks that talk about evolution a disclaimer saying "this is not the only explanation as to how we got here." The person said they thought this was ok as long as before the book of Genesis there was a disclaimer saying "this is not the only explanation as to how we got here". I personally see this as totally fair and acceptable. Unnecessary maybe, but if it makes creationists happy then I am fine with that under this condition.
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1/19/2011 7:30:29 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Haha that's actually pretty funny. I personally believe in evolution (to an extent. I don't think we evolved from monkies). I think evolution is ok to be taught in school as it isn't necessarily a religious idea.
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1/19/2011 7:31:47 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/19/2011 7:30:29 PM, Charles0103 wrote:
Haha that's actually pretty funny. I personally believe in evolution (to an extent. I don't think we evolved from monkies).

lolwut? So you believe that evolution is true up until the point where monkeys become involved?

I think evolution is ok to be taught in school as it isn't necessarily a religious idea.

Evolution is not religious. It's scientific.
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1/19/2011 7:33:52 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/19/2011 7:31:47 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:30:29 PM, Charles0103 wrote:
Haha that's actually pretty funny. I personally believe in evolution (to an extent. I don't think we evolved from monkies).

lolwut? So you believe that evolution is true up until the point where monkeys become involved?

No, I think that God made humans and a set amount of animals and we've evolved from that point. My creation ideas aren't too solid since no one can really know for sure.

I think evolution is ok to be taught in school as it isn't necessarily a religious idea.

Evolution is not religious. It's scientific.

That's what I was trying to say.
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1/19/2011 7:38:23 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
We didn't evolve FROM monkeys.
We evolved SIMULTANIOUSLY to monkeys.
We share a common ancestor.

Also, you can't believe in Micro-Evolution and not Macro-Evolution. The only difference is the time period over which you're talking about.
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1/19/2011 7:39:38 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/19/2011 7:38:47 PM, rogue wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:29:22 PM, annhasle wrote:
Both are absurd ideas.

Why is it absurd lol? I think it is funny.

You guys all know how religious I am, but that is pretty funny.
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1/19/2011 7:42:09 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/19/2011 7:38:47 PM, rogue wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:29:22 PM, annhasle wrote:
Both are absurd ideas.

Why is it absurd lol? I think it is funny.

I think the idea of a disclaimer on a textbook is idiotic since I would not want any religious influences in my science class. And putting a disclaimer on the Bible is just as intrusive.
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1/19/2011 7:42:45 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/19/2011 7:38:47 PM, rogue wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:29:22 PM, annhasle wrote:
Both are absurd ideas.

Why is it absurd lol? I think it is funny.

don't mind her :) it is funny.. and i'd be all for it!
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1/19/2011 7:46:03 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/19/2011 7:42:09 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:38:47 PM, rogue wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:29:22 PM, annhasle wrote:
Both are absurd ideas.

Why is it absurd lol? I think it is funny.

I think the idea of a disclaimer on a textbook is idiotic since I would not want any religious influences in my science class. And putting a disclaimer on the Bible is just as intrusive.

you think it's idiotic cos you don't like it? real mature there :P
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1/19/2011 7:47:12 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/19/2011 7:46:03 PM, badger wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:42:09 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:38:47 PM, rogue wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:29:22 PM, annhasle wrote:
Both are absurd ideas.

Why is it absurd lol? I think it is funny.

I think the idea of a disclaimer on a textbook is idiotic since I would not want any religious influences in my science class. And putting a disclaimer on the Bible is just as intrusive.

you think it's idiotic cos you don't like it? real mature there :P

Lol, it's an opinion badger -- it will be based off of personal preference. :)
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1/19/2011 7:47:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/19/2011 7:42:45 PM, badger wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:38:47 PM, rogue wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:29:22 PM, annhasle wrote:
Both are absurd ideas.

Why is it absurd lol? I think it is funny.

don't mind her :) it is funny.. and i'd be all for it!

don't mind him :) it is absurd... but it's just my opinion!
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1/19/2011 7:48:29 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/19/2011 7:42:09 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:38:47 PM, rogue wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:29:22 PM, annhasle wrote:
Both are absurd ideas.

Why is it absurd lol? I think it is funny.

I think the idea of a disclaimer on a textbook is idiotic since I would not want any religious influences in my science class. And putting a disclaimer on the Bible is just as intrusive.

True, but if being intrusive to them will make both sides happy and keep textbooks with evolution in school, I'm happy.
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1/19/2011 7:50:58 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/19/2011 7:48:29 PM, rogue wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:42:09 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:38:47 PM, rogue wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:29:22 PM, annhasle wrote:
Both are absurd ideas.

Why is it absurd lol? I think it is funny.

I think the idea of a disclaimer on a textbook is idiotic since I would not want any religious influences in my science class. And putting a disclaimer on the Bible is just as intrusive.


True, but if being intrusive to them will make both sides happy and keep textbooks with evolution in school, I'm happy.

Yeah, but why don't the Christians just piss off and leave the science books alone? Do I walk into their Church and put up posters saying, "This isn't the only justification for our existence!" <sigh>
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1/19/2011 8:08:05 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/19/2011 7:50:58 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:48:29 PM, rogue wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:42:09 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:38:47 PM, rogue wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:29:22 PM, annhasle wrote:
Both are absurd ideas.

Why is it absurd lol? I think it is funny.

I think the idea of a disclaimer on a textbook is idiotic since I would not want any religious influences in my science class. And putting a disclaimer on the Bible is just as intrusive.


True, but if being intrusive to them will make both sides happy and keep textbooks with evolution in school, I'm happy.

Yeah, but why don't the Christians just piss off and leave the science books alone? Do I walk into their Church and put up posters saying, "This isn't the only justification for our existence!" <sigh>

Good point. But they are creationists. You have to throw them the bone sometimes :P
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1/19/2011 8:11:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/19/2011 8:08:05 PM, rogue wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:50:58 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:48:29 PM, rogue wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:42:09 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:38:47 PM, rogue wrote:
At 1/19/2011 7:29:22 PM, annhasle wrote:
Both are absurd ideas.

Why is it absurd lol? I think it is funny.

I think the idea of a disclaimer on a textbook is idiotic since I would not want any religious influences in my science class. And putting a disclaimer on the Bible is just as intrusive.


True, but if being intrusive to them will make both sides happy and keep textbooks with evolution in school, I'm happy.

Yeah, but why don't the Christians just piss off and leave the science books alone? Do I walk into their Church and put up posters saying, "This isn't the only justification for our existence!" <sigh>

Good point. But they are creationists. You have to throw them the bone sometimes :P

that's been tried.. they still think the world's only 6000 years old :)
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1/19/2011 8:14:47 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I think the point of the joke was to show the absurdity of the original idea and cancel it out, not to actually do both.

Sounds a lot like why the Flying Spaghetti Monster/Pastafarian religion was created - to show the absurdity of requiring Intelligent Design be taught in schools. It was a sort of - "then you have to teach this too" type of deal.

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1/19/2011 8:17:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/19/2011 8:14:47 PM, bluesteel wrote:
I think the point of the joke was to show the absurdity of the original idea and cancel it out, not to actually do both.

Sounds a lot like why the Flying Spaghetti Monster/Pastafarian religion was created - to show the absurdity of requiring Intelligent Design be taught in schools. It was a sort of - "then you have to teach this too" type of deal.

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well yeah... but we should definitely run with it if we get the chance.. how class would it be if priests had to preach evolution :)
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1/19/2011 8:20:44 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/19/2011 8:17:39 PM, badger wrote:
At 1/19/2011 8:14:47 PM, bluesteel wrote:
I think the point of the joke was to show the absurdity of the original idea and cancel it out, not to actually do both.

Sounds a lot like why the Flying Spaghetti Monster/Pastafarian religion was created - to show the absurdity of requiring Intelligent Design be taught in schools. It was a sort of - "then you have to teach this too" type of deal.

All hail his Noodli-ness

well yeah... but we should definitely run with it if we get the chance.. how class would it be if priests had to preach evolution :)

i'd go to mass every day and leave the second they brought up the bit about there being alternate explanations :) ...and i wouldn't leave quietly!
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1/19/2011 8:24:50 PM
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At 1/19/2011 8:08:05 PM, rogue wrote:

Good point. But they are creationists. You have to throw them the bone sometimes :P

I absolutely disagree with this. Evolution is a verifiable truth about the state of the physical universe. You can't just go around comprimising these things to appease people. What shall we do next, put disclaimers on geography textbooks that say "World may not actually be spherical" ?

My biology textbook had an entire chapter devoted to refuting arguments against evolution. It may seem like evolution is just another part of biology, but if you have really studied the subject, even for a short while, you will realize that everything we know about life is totally incompatible with the assumption that it was created 6000 years ago. Every trait of living beings points toward the fact that they evolved slowly over an immense period of time, and countless discoveries in biology have come from this conclusion.

If you want to understand where human medicine and healthcare would be without the theory of evolution, imagine human rocket science with Newtonian mechanics. It is that essential to our understanding of how living things work.
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1/19/2011 8:31:28 PM
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At 1/19/2011 8:24:50 PM, Grape wrote:
At 1/19/2011 8:08:05 PM, rogue wrote:

Good point. But they are creationists. You have to throw them the bone sometimes :P

I absolutely disagree with this. Evolution is a verifiable truth about the state of the physical universe. You can't just go around comprimising these things to appease people. What shall we do next, put disclaimers on geography textbooks that say "World may not actually be spherical" ?

My biology textbook had an entire chapter devoted to refuting arguments against evolution. It may seem like evolution is just another part of biology, but if you have really studied the subject, even for a short while, you will realize that everything we know about life is totally incompatible with the assumption that it was created 6000 years ago. Every trait of living beings points toward the fact that they evolved slowly over an immense period of time, and countless discoveries in biology have come from this conclusion.

If you want to understand where human medicine and healthcare would be without the theory of evolution, imagine human rocket science with Newtonian mechanics. It is that essential to our understanding of how living things work.

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1/19/2011 8:33:56 PM
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At 1/19/2011 8:14:47 PM, bluesteel wrote:
I think the point of the joke was to show the absurdity of the original idea and cancel it out, not to actually do both.

Sounds a lot like why the Flying Spaghetti Monster/Pastafarian religion was created - to show the absurdity of requiring Intelligent Design be taught in schools. It was a sort of - "then you have to teach this too" type of deal.

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1/19/2011 8:47:40 PM
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The thing is though that Most kids have to go to public schools even those of creationists, so their should be equal views in textbooks. Not everyone or really anyone has to read the bible, thats purely optional, so there shouldn't be a disclaimer.
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1/19/2011 8:55:29 PM
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At 1/19/2011 8:47:40 PM, Jarjar3000 wrote:
The thing is though that Most kids have to go to public schools even those of creationists, so their should be equal views in textbooks. Not everyone or really anyone has to read the bible, thats purely optional, so there shouldn't be a disclaimer.

Why should both views be presented equally if one of them is false? No amount of disagreement is going to change the fact that evolution is a real physical phenomenon. It's not even practical to teach creationism because you can't properly understand biology without evolution.

Do you think there should be equal views in history books as to whether or not the Holocaust happened?
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1/19/2011 9:33:18 PM
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I can see you are on the exact opposite of the spectrum as you are as grounded in your ways as I am mine. Please you cannot really compare the evidence of creationism to that of the holocaust never happened. We KNOW the holocaust happened we have pictures, survivors, evidence. As for how we got here, no one was there, no pics, no witnesses. So yes, multiple theories should be viewed and allow the students to decide for themselves what they will believe.
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1/19/2011 9:35:31 PM
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Intelligent Design hardly meets the requirements needed to be considered a theory.
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1/19/2011 9:42:56 PM
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At 1/19/2011 8:14:47 PM, bluesteel wrote:
I think the point of the joke was to show the absurdity of the original idea and cancel it out, not to actually do both.

Sounds a lot like why the Flying Spaghetti Monster/Pastafarian religion was created - to show the absurdity of requiring Intelligent Design be taught in schools. It was a sort of - "then you have to teach this too" type of deal.

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Oh I know. But I still think we should lol. You are right. It kinda is that kind of attitude on my part.