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11/8/2016 5:54:04 AM
Posted: 4 weeks ago
for intelligent design from within a universe that doesn't support human life.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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11/8/2016 11:48:18 AM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as a fallback position in case the Human Race in our universe much such a mess of things that it will become neccesary to transplant the human race into a new universe.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as part of an ungoing experiment to see what influence inteligent life has on the development of a universe and he would need a "virgin" universe as a base for comparison.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence in question had become senile and forgotten to add humanity.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence had become so fed up with people demanding evidence of its existence that it decided not to create anything this time that would have the intelligence to ask for such evidence.
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11/8/2016 12:05:32 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/8/2016 11:48:18 AM, Silly_Billy wrote:
A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as a fallback position in case the Human Race in our universe much such a mess of things that it will become neccesary to transplant the human race into a new universe.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as part of an ungoing experiment to see what influence inteligent life has on the development of a universe and he would need a "virgin" universe as a base for comparison.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence in question had become senile and forgotten to add humanity.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence had become so fed up with people demanding evidence of its existence that it decided not to create anything this time that would have the intelligence to ask for such evidence.

You're making these arguments from within our universe. Try it from within a universe which doesn't support human life.
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11/8/2016 12:33:41 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/8/2016 12:05:32 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 11/8/2016 11:48:18 AM, Silly_Billy wrote:
A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as a fallback position in case the Human Race in our universe much such a mess of things that it will become neccesary to transplant the human race into a new universe.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as part of an ungoing experiment to see what influence inteligent life has on the development of a universe and he would need a "virgin" universe as a base for comparison.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence in question had become senile and forgotten to add humanity.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence had become so fed up with people demanding evidence of its existence that it decided not to create anything this time that would have the intelligence to ask for such evidence.

You're making these arguments from within our universe. Try it from within a universe which doesn't support human life.

Thanks Dee, that is what they need to examine and most of them can't. Even their imaginations are supplied to them eg. holy books.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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11/8/2016 12:34:10 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/8/2016 12:05:32 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 11/8/2016 11:48:18 AM, Silly_Billy wrote:
A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as a fallback position in case the Human Race in our universe much such a mess of things that it will become neccesary to transplant the human race into a new universe.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as part of an ungoing experiment to see what influence inteligent life has on the development of a universe and he would need a "virgin" universe as a base for comparison.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence in question had become senile and forgotten to add humanity.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence had become so fed up with people demanding evidence of its existence that it decided not to create anything this time that would have the intelligence to ask for such evidence.

You're making these arguments from within our universe. Try it from within a universe which doesn't support human life.

Who says that those arguments havent been made from within a universe that doesn't support human life? What is human after all? How do you define human?
bulproof
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11/8/2016 12:47:14 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/8/2016 12:34:10 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:05:32 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 11/8/2016 11:48:18 AM, Silly_Billy wrote:
A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as a fallback position in case the Human Race in our universe much such a mess of things that it will become neccesary to transplant the human race into a new universe.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as part of an ungoing experiment to see what influence inteligent life has on the development of a universe and he would need a "virgin" universe as a base for comparison.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence in question had become senile and forgotten to add humanity.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence had become so fed up with people demanding evidence of its existence that it decided not to create anything this time that would have the intelligence to ask for such evidence.

You're making these arguments from within our universe. Try it from within a universe which doesn't support human life.

Who says that those arguments havent been made from within a universe that doesn't support human life? What is human after all? How do you define human?
The pathetic attempts to change the subject when ones argument is defeated is the refuge of small children.
Make an argument for intelligent design from within a universe that doesn't support human life.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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11/8/2016 12:57:24 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/8/2016 12:47:14 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:34:10 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:05:32 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 11/8/2016 11:48:18 AM, Silly_Billy wrote:
A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as a fallback position in case the Human Race in our universe much such a mess of things that it will become neccesary to transplant the human race into a new universe.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as part of an ungoing experiment to see what influence inteligent life has on the development of a universe and he would need a "virgin" universe as a base for comparison.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence in question had become senile and forgotten to add humanity.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence had become so fed up with people demanding evidence of its existence that it decided not to create anything this time that would have the intelligence to ask for such evidence.

You're making these arguments from within our universe. Try it from within a universe which doesn't support human life.

Who says that those arguments havent been made from within a universe that doesn't support human life? What is human after all? How do you define human?
The pathetic attempts to change the subject when ones argument is defeated is the refuge of small children.
Make an argument for intelligent design from within a universe that doesn't support human life.

The argument has been made. This is a universe that once did not support Human Life and which in a future to come, will once again not support Human Life. Further more, the universe is actually a very hostile place that is not at all supportive of Human Life. We can not breath the vacuum of space after all and lets face it, the universe consists of this vacuum. The Earth may be a very very very very small part of the universe, but it is not the universe itself and if you look at the total amount of the universe in which we do reside, then the size of it is so incredibly small that there is no validity to the claim that universe supports Human Life.
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11/8/2016 1:46:40 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/8/2016 12:57:24 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:47:14 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:34:10 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:05:32 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 11/8/2016 11:48:18 AM, Silly_Billy wrote:
A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as a fallback position in case the Human Race in our universe much such a mess of things that it will become neccesary to transplant the human race into a new universe.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as part of an ungoing experiment to see what influence inteligent life has on the development of a universe and he would need a "virgin" universe as a base for comparison.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence in question had become senile and forgotten to add humanity.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence had become so fed up with people demanding evidence of its existence that it decided not to create anything this time that would have the intelligence to ask for such evidence.

You're making these arguments from within our universe. Try it from within a universe which doesn't support human life.

Who says that those arguments havent been made from within a universe that doesn't support human life? What is human after all? How do you define human?
The pathetic attempts to change the subject when ones argument is defeated is the refuge of small children.
Make an argument for intelligent design from within a universe that doesn't support human life.

The argument has been made. This is a universe that once did not support Human Life and which in a future to come, will once again not support Human Life. Further more, the universe is actually a very hostile place that is not at all supportive of Human Life. We can not breath the vacuum of space after all and lets face it, the universe consists of this vacuum. The Earth may be a very very very very small part of the universe, but it is not the universe itself and if you look at the total amount of the universe in which we do reside, then the size of it is so incredibly small that there is no validity to the claim that universe supports Human Life.

Make an argument for intelligent design from within a universe that doesn't support human life.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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11/8/2016 1:51:03 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/8/2016 1:46:40 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:57:24 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:47:14 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:34:10 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:05:32 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 11/8/2016 11:48:18 AM, Silly_Billy wrote:
A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as a fallback position in case the Human Race in our universe much such a mess of things that it will become neccesary to transplant the human race into a new universe.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as part of an ungoing experiment to see what influence inteligent life has on the development of a universe and he would need a "virgin" universe as a base for comparison.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence in question had become senile and forgotten to add humanity.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence had become so fed up with people demanding evidence of its existence that it decided not to create anything this time that would have the intelligence to ask for such evidence.

You're making these arguments from within our universe. Try it from within a universe which doesn't support human life.

Who says that those arguments havent been made from within a universe that doesn't support human life? What is human after all? How do you define human?
The pathetic attempts to change the subject when ones argument is defeated is the refuge of small children.
Make an argument for intelligent design from within a universe that doesn't support human life.

The argument has been made. This is a universe that once did not support Human Life and which in a future to come, will once again not support Human Life. Further more, the universe is actually a very hostile place that is not at all supportive of Human Life. We can not breath the vacuum of space after all and lets face it, the universe consists of this vacuum. The Earth may be a very very very very small part of the universe, but it is not the universe itself and if you look at the total amount of the universe in which we do reside, then the size of it is so incredibly small that there is no validity to the claim that universe supports Human Life.

Make an argument for intelligent design from within a universe that doesn't support human life.

If i make that argument from within this universe, i would technically be making that argument from within a universe that doesn't support human life.
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11/8/2016 1:54:45 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/8/2016 1:51:03 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 11/8/2016 1:46:40 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:57:24 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:47:14 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:34:10 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:05:32 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 11/8/2016 11:48:18 AM, Silly_Billy wrote:
A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as a fallback position in case the Human Race in our universe much such a mess of things that it will become neccesary to transplant the human race into a new universe.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as part of an ungoing experiment to see what influence inteligent life has on the development of a universe and he would need a "virgin" universe as a base for comparison.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence in question had become senile and forgotten to add humanity.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence had become so fed up with people demanding evidence of its existence that it decided not to create anything this time that would have the intelligence to ask for such evidence.

You're making these arguments from within our universe. Try it from within a universe which doesn't support human life.

Who says that those arguments havent been made from within a universe that doesn't support human life? What is human after all? How do you define human?
The pathetic attempts to change the subject when ones argument is defeated is the refuge of small children.
Make an argument for intelligent design from within a universe that doesn't support human life.

The argument has been made. This is a universe that once did not support Human Life and which in a future to come, will once again not support Human Life. Further more, the universe is actually a very hostile place that is not at all supportive of Human Life. We can not breath the vacuum of space after all and lets face it, the universe consists of this vacuum. The Earth may be a very very very very small part of the universe, but it is not the universe itself and if you look at the total amount of the universe in which we do reside, then the size of it is so incredibly small that there is no validity to the claim that universe supports Human Life.

Make an argument for intelligent design from within a universe that doesn't support human life.

If i make that argument from within this universe, i would technically be making that argument from within a universe that doesn't support human life.
I'm sorry i didn't realise that you don't exist.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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11/8/2016 2:04:03 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/8/2016 1:54:45 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/8/2016 1:51:03 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 11/8/2016 1:46:40 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:57:24 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:47:14 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:34:10 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:05:32 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 11/8/2016 11:48:18 AM, Silly_Billy wrote:
A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as a fallback position in case the Human Race in our universe much such a mess of things that it will become neccesary to transplant the human race into a new universe.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as part of an ungoing experiment to see what influence inteligent life has on the development of a universe and he would need a "virgin" universe as a base for comparison.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence in question had become senile and forgotten to add humanity.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence had become so fed up with people demanding evidence of its existence that it decided not to create anything this time that would have the intelligence to ask for such evidence.

You're making these arguments from within our universe. Try it from within a universe which doesn't support human life.

Who says that those arguments havent been made from within a universe that doesn't support human life? What is human after all? How do you define human?
The pathetic attempts to change the subject when ones argument is defeated is the refuge of small children.
Make an argument for intelligent design from within a universe that doesn't support human life.

The argument has been made. This is a universe that once did not support Human Life and which in a future to come, will once again not support Human Life. Further more, the universe is actually a very hostile place that is not at all supportive of Human Life. We can not breath the vacuum of space after all and lets face it, the universe consists of this vacuum. The Earth may be a very very very very small part of the universe, but it is not the universe itself and if you look at the total amount of the universe in which we do reside, then the size of it is so incredibly small that there is no validity to the claim that universe supports Human Life.

Make an argument for intelligent design from within a universe that doesn't support human life.

If i make that argument from within this universe, i would technically be making that argument from within a universe that doesn't support human life.
I'm sorry i didn't realise that you don't exist.

I do exist but i exist on Earth. The Earth is such a small part of the universe that it is not representative of the universe and therefor anything that the Earth may support, can not be attributed as being generally supported by the Universe.
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11/8/2016 3:49:29 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/8/2016 2:04:03 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 11/8/2016 1:54:45 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/8/2016 1:51:03 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 11/8/2016 1:46:40 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:57:24 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:47:14 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:34:10 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:05:32 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 11/8/2016 11:48:18 AM, Silly_Billy wrote:
A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as a fallback position in case the Human Race in our universe much such a mess of things that it will become neccesary to transplant the human race into a new universe.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as part of an ungoing experiment to see what influence inteligent life has on the development of a universe and he would need a "virgin" universe as a base for comparison.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence in question had become senile and forgotten to add humanity.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence had become so fed up with people demanding evidence of its existence that it decided not to create anything this time that would have the intelligence to ask for such evidence.

You're making these arguments from within our universe. Try it from within a universe which doesn't support human life.

Who says that those arguments havent been made from within a universe that doesn't support human life? What is human after all? How do you define human?
The pathetic attempts to change the subject when ones argument is defeated is the refuge of small children.
Make an argument for intelligent design from within a universe that doesn't support human life.

The argument has been made. This is a universe that once did not support Human Life and which in a future to come, will once again not support Human Life. Further more, the universe is actually a very hostile place that is not at all supportive of Human Life. We can not breath the vacuum of space after all and lets face it, the universe consists of this vacuum. The Earth may be a very very very very small part of the universe, but it is not the universe itself and if you look at the total amount of the universe in which we do reside, then the size of it is so incredibly small that there is no validity to the claim that universe supports Human Life.

Make an argument for intelligent design from within a universe that doesn't support human life.

If i make that argument from within this universe, i would technically be making that argument from within a universe that doesn't support human life.
I'm sorry i didn't realise that you don't exist.

I do exist but i exist on Earth. The Earth is such a small part of the universe that it is not representative of the universe and therefor anything that the Earth may support, can not be attributed as being generally supported by the Universe.
Make an argument for intelligent design from within a universe that doesn't support human life.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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11/8/2016 7:43:05 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/8/2016 5:54:04 AM, bulproof wrote:
for intelligent design from within a universe that doesn't support human life.

Intelligent action occurs by nature from unpredictable, incredibly unlikely odds in theory by purely random happenstance through life all the time. Its not illogical to think it happens outside of life as well. The whole solar system thingy certainly seems like an intelligent design to me. I sure as hell cant come up with the principles behind it, and I'm not dumb by any means. The fact that the Universe just keeps on tickin along for billions of years seems like a sign of an intelligent design. I'm not sure what you are lookin for.
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11/8/2016 10:11:21 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/8/2016 12:34:10 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:05:32 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 11/8/2016 11:48:18 AM, Silly_Billy wrote:
A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as a fallback position in case the Human Race in our universe much such a mess of things that it will become neccesary to transplant the human race into a new universe.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as part of an ungoing experiment to see what influence inteligent life has on the development of a universe and he would need a "virgin" universe as a base for comparison.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence in question had become senile and forgotten to add humanity.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence had become so fed up with people demanding evidence of its existence that it decided not to create anything this time that would have the intelligence to ask for such evidence.

You're making these arguments from within our universe. Try it from within a universe which doesn't support human life.

Who says that those arguments havent been made from within a universe that doesn't support human life? What is human after all? How do you define human?

I'm merely pointing out that you haven't followed the constraints in the OP. And really, you can't. It's an impossible challenge as stated. You could guess that some non-human intelligent life in another universe could make the same argument about design but it would only be a guess.

What bul is getting out, I suspect, is that the appearance of design can only be detected by an intelligent mind. Before humans came along on planet Earth there was no concept of it. Life just got on with being life. Intelligent design is a human concept derived from god-belief. If humans weren't susceptible to god-beliefs would anyone have come up with ID as a concept? I tend to doubt it since the hidden assumption is always a supernatural designer.
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11/8/2016 10:14:39 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/8/2016 10:11:21 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:34:10 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:05:32 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 11/8/2016 11:48:18 AM, Silly_Billy wrote:
A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as a fallback position in case the Human Race in our universe much such a mess of things that it will become neccesary to transplant the human race into a new universe.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as part of an ungoing experiment to see what influence inteligent life has on the development of a universe and he would need a "virgin" universe as a base for comparison.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence in question had become senile and forgotten to add humanity.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence had become so fed up with people demanding evidence of its existence that it decided not to create anything this time that would have the intelligence to ask for such evidence.

You're making these arguments from within our universe. Try it from within a universe which doesn't support human life.

Who says that those arguments havent been made from within a universe that doesn't support human life? What is human after all? How do you define human?

I'm merely pointing out that you haven't followed the constraints in the OP. And really, you can't. It's an impossible challenge as stated. You could guess that some non-human intelligent life in another universe could make the same argument about design but it would only be a guess.

What bul is getting out, I suspect, is that the appearance of design can only be detected by an intelligent mind. Before humans came along on planet Earth there was no concept of it. Life just got on with being life. Intelligent design is a human concept derived from god-belief. If humans weren't susceptible to god-beliefs would anyone have come up with ID as a concept? I tend to doubt it since the hidden assumption is always a supernatural designer.

Yeah i know and i would have let it go straight away if not for the fact that you people started comparing me to a Theists ;)
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11/8/2016 10:19:12 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/8/2016 10:14:39 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 11/8/2016 10:11:21 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:34:10 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:05:32 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 11/8/2016 11:48:18 AM, Silly_Billy wrote:
A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as a fallback position in case the Human Race in our universe much such a mess of things that it will become neccesary to transplant the human race into a new universe.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as part of an ungoing experiment to see what influence inteligent life has on the development of a universe and he would need a "virgin" universe as a base for comparison.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence in question had become senile and forgotten to add humanity.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence had become so fed up with people demanding evidence of its existence that it decided not to create anything this time that would have the intelligence to ask for such evidence.

You're making these arguments from within our universe. Try it from within a universe which doesn't support human life.

Who says that those arguments havent been made from within a universe that doesn't support human life? What is human after all? How do you define human?

I'm merely pointing out that you haven't followed the constraints in the OP. And really, you can't. It's an impossible challenge as stated. You could guess that some non-human intelligent life in another universe could make the same argument about design but it would only be a guess.

What bul is getting at, I suspect, is that the appearance of design can only be detected by an intelligent mind. Before humans came along on planet Earth there was no concept of it. Life just got on with being life. Intelligent design is a human concept derived from god-belief. If humans weren't susceptible to god-beliefs would anyone have come up with ID as a concept? I tend to doubt it since the hidden assumption is always a supernatural designer.

Yeah i know and i would have let it go straight away if not for the fact that you people started comparing me to a Theists ;)

I knew you weren't a theist. I'm not sure about bul. :-)
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11/9/2016 12:50:19 AM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/8/2016 10:11:21 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:34:10 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 11/8/2016 12:05:32 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 11/8/2016 11:48:18 AM, Silly_Billy wrote:
A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as a fallback position in case the Human Race in our universe much such a mess of things that it will become neccesary to transplant the human race into a new universe.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design as part of an ungoing experiment to see what influence inteligent life has on the development of a universe and he would need a "virgin" universe as a base for comparison.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence in question had become senile and forgotten to add humanity.

Or...

A universe like that could have been created through intelligent design if the intelligence had become so fed up with people demanding evidence of its existence that it decided not to create anything this time that would have the intelligence to ask for such evidence.

You're making these arguments from within our universe. Try it from within a universe which doesn't support human life.

Who says that those arguments havent been made from within a universe that doesn't support human life? What is human after all? How do you define human?

I'm merely pointing out that you haven't followed the constraints in the OP. And really, you can't. It's an impossible challenge as stated. You could guess that some non-human intelligent life in another universe could make the same argument about design but it would only be a guess.

What bul is getting out, I suspect, is that the appearance of design can only be detected by an intelligent mind. Before humans came along on planet Earth there was no concept of it. Life just got on with being life.

Intelligent design is a human concept derived from god-belief.
This statement is a confusing cause and effect fallacy.
LMFAO, humans describe intelligent design as that which was made via humans contrasted to other things that simply exist in nature or are designed via a sliding intelligence scale. I.e. A birds nest was made from a lesser than intelligent species than a human.
If humans weren't susceptible to god-beliefs would anyone have come up with ID as a concept?
Wow such profundity. Why didn't you just say if oxygen didn't exist would humans ever have gotten to the moon? Lol
Of course they would, it's called intelligently designed automobiles for one.
I tend to doubt it since the hidden assumption is always a supernatural designer.
No doofus, atp synthase resembles a complex motor analogous to something that only humans have designed, hence intelligent design. Evolutionists are now once again backtracking and trying to negate their own description of the universe because their language will never amount to logical consistency. Same ole bullllssshhhiitt. Philosophers exploit explanations.
Intelligent design merely exploits the ever increasing discoveries in nature that evotards first claimed were simplistic gooey nothings as now being complex. Evos are the idiots who first posited that life didn't begin complex. Darwin thought cells were pointless jello shots. Which is why Darwin saw monkeys and apes and bird beaks and thought that reminds me of my great grandmother and her nose.. They were drunk and snorting some horse.
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11/9/2016 12:57:05 AM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/8/2016 5:54:04 AM, bulproof wrote:
for intelligent design from within a universe that doesn't support human life.
So your reasoning behind this moronic garbage.....
A human needs to make a human argument from within a humanless universe?
Prove an un-intelligently designed universe could exist. Then explain what the humans who don't exist in it would describe it as. You make no point as usual except the point of thinking your delusional thinking has a point......jk bulll, you know you're the smartest gibbon on a qwerty.
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11/9/2016 1:19:16 AM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/8/2016 5:54:04 AM, bulproof wrote:
for intelligent design from within a universe that doesn't support human life.

I have never met an ID argument I liked. But you have your own problems.

Technically this universe can support life because it has earth.

While most of it isn't habitable by humans that may change with our technology. Your statement will seem ridiculous in 200 years when we are flying around in starships and terraforming planets.

Maybe a creator made most of the universe hard to live in to push us to achieve better things force us to actually build amazing solutions to colonize space instead of just showing up with a suitcase and start setting up camp in a habitable universe.

Or maybe the creator doesn't want us dirty polluting humans to mess with the rest of his creation and its ike a museum exhibit not to be disturbed or get garbage dumped onto it.

Or he may have used the vastness and inhabitability of space to separate the different worlds he created like zookeepers do when they make separate cages for animals.