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Religious thinkers responsible for ethics?

Skepticalone
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11/9/2016 2:49:07 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
In a recent conversation:

"I am saying that you don"t have the field of ethics as an academic field without religious thinkers."

Agree? Why or why not?
Science has taught us that, because we have a talent for deceiving ourselves, subjectivity may not freely reign. - Carl Sagan

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. - Bertrand Russell
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11/9/2016 2:57:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/9/2016 2:49:07 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
In a recent conversation:

"I am saying that you don"t have the field of ethics as an academic field without religious thinkers."

Agree? Why or why not?

I so want to say that I agree, because otherwise there would be no one for the genuine ethicists to argue with.

David Hume, Bertrand Russell, or in the present, Peter Singer. Just a couple of names that immediaterly sprang to mind. Of course, there are thousands more.
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11/9/2016 3:11:20 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/9/2016 2:57:54 AM, Skeptical1 wrote:
At 11/9/2016 2:49:07 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
In a recent conversation:

"I am saying that you don"t have the field of ethics as an academic field without religious thinkers."

Agree? Why or why not?

I so want to say that I agree, because otherwise there would be no one for the genuine ethicists to argue with.

David Hume, Bertrand Russell, or in the present, Peter Singer. Just a couple of names that immediaterly sprang to mind. Of course, there are thousands more.

Ok, do you think ethics originated with religious thinkers?
Science has taught us that, because we have a talent for deceiving ourselves, subjectivity may not freely reign. - Carl Sagan

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. - Bertrand Russell
Skeptical1
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11/9/2016 3:45:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/9/2016 3:11:20 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/9/2016 2:57:54 AM, Skeptical1 wrote:
At 11/9/2016 2:49:07 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
In a recent conversation:

"I am saying that you don"t have the field of ethics as an academic field without religious thinkers."

Agree? Why or why not?

I so want to say that I agree, because otherwise there would be no one for the genuine ethicists to argue with.

David Hume, Bertrand Russell, or in the present, Peter Singer. Just a couple of names that immediaterly sprang to mind. Of course, there are thousands more.

Ok, do you think ethics originated with religious thinkers?

I don't know. It's not something I know much about. I just know that there are plenty of fine minds that have grappled with ethical issues without the slightest religious inclination. My understanding is that the Epicurians, who predated the Christian religion by several hundred years were not religious. In fact Epicurus's riddle is considered one of the stronger arguments against theism. Also, I'm not certain how much part the pantheism of Socrates and his descendents would have played in the formulation of their ethics.

Also, I don't think religion played any part in Confuscius's ethics, or much in Eastern philsophy at all - but I could be wrong.

However, the mere presence of "schools" such as these should at least show that religion is not essential to consider ethics.
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11/9/2016 4:06:44 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/9/2016 3:45:34 AM, Skeptical1 wrote:
At 11/9/2016 3:11:20 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/9/2016 2:57:54 AM, Skeptical1 wrote:
At 11/9/2016 2:49:07 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
In a recent conversation:

"I am saying that you don"t have the field of ethics as an academic field without religious thinkers."

Agree? Why or why not?

I so want to say that I agree, because otherwise there would be no one for the genuine ethicists to argue with.

David Hume, Bertrand Russell, or in the present, Peter Singer. Just a couple of names that immediaterly sprang to mind. Of course, there are thousands more.

Ok, do you think ethics originated with religious thinkers?

I don't know. It's not something I know much about. I just know that there are plenty of fine minds that have grappled with ethical issues without the slightest religious inclination. My understanding is that the Epicurians, who predated the Christian religion by several hundred years were not religious. In fact Epicurus's riddle is considered one of the stronger arguments against theism. Also, I'm not certain how much part the pantheism of Socrates and his descendents would have played in the formulation of their ethics.

Also, I don't think religion played any part in Confuscius's ethics, or much in Eastern philsophy at all - but I could be wrong.

However, the mere presence of "schools" such as these should at least show that religion is not essential to consider ethics.

Ok, thanks for the info, Skep. I agree with your conclusion, of course.
Science has taught us that, because we have a talent for deceiving ourselves, subjectivity may not freely reign. - Carl Sagan

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. - Bertrand Russell
janesix
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8/16/2017 4:12:16 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 11/9/2016 2:49:07 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
In a recent conversation:

"I am saying that you don"t have the field of ethics as an academic field without religious thinkers."

Agree? Why or why not?

Disagree. All you need is one atheist to prove it wrong, and there are plenty if those.
Outplayz
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8/16/2017 5:46:38 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 11/9/2016 2:49:07 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
In a recent conversation:

"I am saying that you don"t have the field of ethics as an academic field without religious thinkers."

Agree? Why or why not?

You wrote this question pretty confusing...

If you mean do you need religion to have ethics, i would answer no.

If you mean do religious people create ethics, i would say yes.

Can we have ethics without religion, yes.
PureX
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8/16/2017 7:02:22 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 11/9/2016 2:49:07 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
In a recent conversation:

"I am saying that you don"t have the field of ethics as an academic field without religious thinkers."

Agree? Why or why not?

No one can say for sure, but I suspect that the concept of "ethics" probably did develop simultaneously with the concept of "God", because our behavior was clearly thought to be a reason for the behavior of the gods (as expressed through the environment), as well as a means of appeasing them. Nature, being viewed as an expression of the god's judgments on our behavior.

Eventually, as in the early Abrahamic view of God, nature became the expression of "God's will", and many of the early religious laws and practices were based on man;s relationship with nature. To "disobey" the laws of nature was to disobey the laws of God, and to suffer a natural consequence was to suffer the wrath of God for that disobedience.

Ethics may have become more complex and philosophical then that, now days, but the basic idea remains the same; that what is ethical is what accords with the laws of nature, and the will of "God".