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The bible states that god created evil.

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11/12/2016 5:16:01 AM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
It's right there in genesis, can any of you godists find it or is the truth something to be avoided at all costs?
Go and have an honest read.
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11/12/2016 5:21:07 AM
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At 11/12/2016 5:16:01 AM, bulproof wrote:
It's right there in genesis, can any of you godists find it or is the truth something to be avoided at all costs?
Go and have an honest read.

But god is love.
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11/12/2016 5:24:10 AM
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At 11/12/2016 5:21:07 AM, janesix wrote:
At 11/12/2016 5:16:01 AM, bulproof wrote:
It's right there in genesis, can any of you godists find it or is the truth something to be avoided at all costs?
Go and have an honest read.

But god is love.
The contradiction is because there are NO literal Supernatural God(s) and ALL acclaimed ' holy-texts ' are likewise 100% human devised!
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11/12/2016 10:41:55 AM
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At 11/12/2016 5:24:10 AM, Composer wrote:
At 11/12/2016 5:21:07 AM, janesix wrote:
At 11/12/2016 5:16:01 AM, bulproof wrote:
It's right there in genesis, can any of you godists find it or is the truth something to be avoided at all costs?
Go and have an honest read.

But god is love.
The contradiction is because there are NO literal Supernatural God(s) and ALL acclaimed ' holy-texts ' are likewise 100% human devised!

but but but, they say they are the word of God, well the bible does anyways
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11/12/2016 11:48:04 AM
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The bible states that god created evil.
See OP.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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11/12/2016 12:34:02 PM
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At 11/12/2016 5:16:01 AM, bulproof wrote:
It's right there in genesis, can any of you godists find it or is the truth something to be avoided at all costs?
Go and have an honest read.

Well, if I were a religious person, I would agree that God created evil. I wouldn't even need to read the bible. If God didn't create evil, it leaves room for more questioning if there's something beyond God.
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11/12/2016 7:00:03 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/12/2016 11:48:04 AM, bulproof wrote:
The bible states that god created evil.
See OP.

No. you stated that. I see no quotes from the Bible. You have a habit of never quoting anything from the Bible. Can I get a direct quote?
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11/12/2016 7:24:43 PM
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At 11/12/2016 11:48:04 AM, bulproof wrote:
The bible states that god created evil.
See OP.
Nope. You can't create evil. For instance, you can't create cold, it is the absence of heat. You can't create darkness, it is the absence of light. You can't create evil, it is the absence of good.
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11/12/2016 8:08:17 PM
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At 11/12/2016 7:24:43 PM, fishhunter61 wrote:
At 11/12/2016 11:48:04 AM, bulproof wrote:
The bible states that god created evil.
See OP.
Nope. You can't create evil. For instance, you can't create cold, it is the absence of heat. You can't create darkness, it is the absence of light. You can't create evil, it is the absence of good.

That is a fallacy, the absence of good is neutral. In order for evil to exist, one must take actions towards being evil just as one must take actions towards being good. If not actions are taken either way, it is a neutral position.
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11/13/2016 3:01:20 AM
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At 11/12/2016 7:00:03 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/12/2016 11:48:04 AM, bulproof wrote:
The bible states that god created evil.
See OP.

No. you stated that. I see no quotes from the Bible. You have a habit of never quoting anything from the Bible. Can I get a direct quote?

Isaiah 45:7 ASV Story book

Col. 1:16 & 17 Story book
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11/13/2016 3:08:56 AM
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At 11/13/2016 3:01:20 AM, Composer wrote:
At 11/12/2016 7:00:03 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/12/2016 11:48:04 AM, bulproof wrote:
The bible states that god created evil.
See OP.

No. you stated that. I see no quotes from the Bible. You have a habit of never quoting anything from the Bible. Can I get a direct quote?

Isaiah 45:7 ASV Story book

Col. 1:16 & 17 Story book

Don't be lazy. Copy the verse so I don't have to look it up. Because I'm not going to look it up.
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11/13/2016 3:47:03 AM
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At 11/12/2016 7:00:03 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/12/2016 11:48:04 AM, bulproof wrote:
The bible states that god created evil.
See OP.

No. you stated that. I see no quotes from the Bible. You have a habit of never quoting anything from the Bible. Can I get a direct quote?
That was the task the OP gave you. Not smart enough I see. Leave it to one of the other amoeba's.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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11/13/2016 5:14:37 AM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/12/2016 7:24:43 PM, fishhunter61 wrote:
At 11/12/2016 11:48:04 AM, bulproof wrote:
The bible states that god created evil.
See OP.
Nope. You can't create evil. For instance, you can't create cold, it is the absence of heat. You can't create darkness, it is the absence of light. You can't create evil, it is the absence of good.
Of course that is just so much crap but be very careful what you say, the entire human race was sentenced to death because someone allegedly discovered that.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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11/13/2016 7:25:53 AM
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At 11/13/2016 3:08:56 AM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 3:01:20 AM, Composer wrote:
At 11/12/2016 7:00:03 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/12/2016 11:48:04 AM, bulproof wrote:
The bible states that god created evil.
See OP.

No. you stated that. I see no quotes from the Bible. You have a habit of never quoting anything from the Bible. Can I get a direct quote?

Isaiah 45:7 ASV Story book

Col. 1:16 & 17 Story book

Don't be lazy. Copy the verse so I don't have to look it up. Because I'm not going to look it up.

Look it up yourself you dimwit!

IF I copied the verses, wank-ers like you would likely falsely accuse me of misquoting or some pitiful excuse for yourself & your evil making Story book God(s)!
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11/13/2016 10:42:42 AM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
C'mon godists haven't you read your great book of fantasy and fiction.
Here, I'll give you a question you will feel confident of answering, you won't be right and the bible will prove that but go ahead and answer it anyway.
Where does evil come from if not your god?
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11/13/2016 12:30:10 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/13/2016 3:47:03 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/12/2016 7:00:03 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/12/2016 11:48:04 AM, bulproof wrote:
The bible states that god created evil.
See OP.

No. you stated that. I see no quotes from the Bible. You have a habit of never quoting anything from the Bible. Can I get a direct quote?
That was the task the OP gave you. Not smart enough I see. Leave it to one of the other amoeba's.

If you had something legit you would have posted it. Nowhere in the OP did it suggest that I had to scour the Bible for whatever has caused you to think what you're thinking. I think we can settle this properly if you first quote the specific(s) examples within the Bible. Then I will begin to Bible you. Call it Sunday school. Dress nice. Maybe even make a donation for my time, since you can't take the time to do anything other than complain about everything. You're like the biggest whiner ever.
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11/13/2016 12:34:42 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/13/2016 12:30:10 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 3:47:03 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/12/2016 7:00:03 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/12/2016 11:48:04 AM, bulproof wrote:
The bible states that god created evil.
See OP.

No. you stated that. I see no quotes from the Bible. You have a habit of never quoting anything from the Bible. Can I get a direct quote?
That was the task the OP gave you. Not smart enough I see. Leave it to one of the other amoeba's.

If you had something legit you would have posted it. Nowhere in the OP did it suggest that I had to scour the Bible for whatever has caused you to think what you're thinking. I think we can settle this properly if you first quote the specific(s) examples within the Bible. Then I will begin to Bible you. Call it Sunday school. Dress nice. Maybe even make a donation for my time, since you can't take the time to do anything other than complain about everything. You're like the biggest whiner ever.
Nowhere in the OP except here:
It's right there in genesis, can any of you godists find it or is the truth something to be avoided at all costs?
Reading is well beyond you ain't it. Btw I gave you what you will consider an easier task, have a go at that.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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11/13/2016 12:58:59 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/13/2016 7:25:53 AM, Composer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 3:08:56 AM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 3:01:20 AM, Composer wrote:
At 11/12/2016 7:00:03 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/12/2016 11:48:04 AM, bulproof wrote:
The bible states that god created evil.
See OP.

No. you stated that. I see no quotes from the Bible. You have a habit of never quoting anything from the Bible. Can I get a direct quote?

Isaiah 45:7 ASV Story book

Col. 1:16 & 17 Story book

Don't be lazy. Copy the verse so I don't have to look it up. Because I'm not going to look it up.

Look it up yourself you dimwit!

IF I copied the verses, wank-ers like you would likely falsely accuse me of misquoting or some pitiful excuse for yourself & your evil making Story book God(s)!

I generally trust people that they would not stupe so low as to purposely misquote something. It's not something I would do. So I like to think others would not do this as well. If I feel the quote is out of place I will then further examine it. It's just good practice to quote the quotes you'd like discussion of, instead of insulting the people for not taking the time to exercise your laziness.
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11/13/2016 1:17:40 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/13/2016 12:34:42 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/13/2016 12:30:10 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 3:47:03 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/12/2016 7:00:03 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/12/2016 11:48:04 AM, bulproof wrote:
The bible states that god created evil.
See OP.

No. you stated that. I see no quotes from the Bible. You have a habit of never quoting anything from the Bible. Can I get a direct quote?
That was the task the OP gave you. Not smart enough I see. Leave it to one of the other amoeba's.

If you had something legit you would have posted it. Nowhere in the OP did it suggest that I had to scour the Bible for whatever has caused you to think what you're thinking. I think we can settle this properly if you first quote the specific(s) examples within the Bible. Then I will begin to Bible you. Call it Sunday school. Dress nice. Maybe even make a donation for my time, since you can't take the time to do anything other than complain about everything. You're like the biggest whiner ever.
Nowhere in the OP except here:
It's right there in genesis, can any of you godists find it or is the truth something to be avoided at all costs?
Reading is well beyond you ain't it. Btw I gave you what you will consider an easier task, have a go at that.

You're the one saying God created evil. Christians don't say this. This now becomes the task to you to prove Christians are wrong. Start with a specific quote instead of suggesting an entire book talks about this, when it actually doesn't. The proof is on you. The burden of proof always falls on the accuser. That's you.
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11/13/2016 5:50:39 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/12/2016 5:16:01 AM, bulproof wrote:
It's right there in genesis, can any of you godists find it or is the truth something to be avoided at all costs?
Go and have an honest read.

Yeah. Evil is actually like emptiness or darkness, it is really nothing, or lack of good. So, when evil is present, it means good is not present. It is like darkness that is present, when light is not in the place. And so, when evil comes, it means God is rejected, or that people are without God. When people are without God, and live not according to His rules, evil is ruling. God "created" evil by allowing people have freedom and reject Him and truth and everything good.
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11/13/2016 6:00:41 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/13/2016 5:50:39 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 11/12/2016 5:16:01 AM, bulproof wrote:
It's right there in genesis, can any of you godists find it or is the truth something to be avoided at all costs?
Go and have an honest read.

Yeah. Evil is actually like emptiness or darkness, it is really nothing, or lack of good. So, when evil is present, it means good is not present. It is like darkness that is present, when light is not in the place. And so, when evil comes, it means God is rejected, or that people are without God. When people are without God, and live not according to His rules, evil is ruling. God "created" evil by allowing people have freedom and reject Him and truth and everything good.

That's an interesting take. I take it you are suggesting that God did not create evil, but evil created itself from seperating itself from the love that is the divine nature of God.
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11/14/2016 2:42:05 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/12/2016 5:16:01 AM, bulproof wrote:
It's right there in genesis, can any of you godists find it or is the truth something to be avoided at all costs?
Go and have an honest read. : :

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Deuteronomy 28
15: "But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord your God or be careful to do all his commandments which I command you this day, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you.
16: Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the field.
17: Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading-trough.
18: cursed shall be the fruit of your body, and the fruit of your ground, the increase of your cattle, and the young of your flock.
19: Cursed shall you be when you come in, and cursed shall you be when you go out.
20: "the Lord will send upon you curses, confusion, and frustration, in all that you undertake to do, until you are destroyed and perish quickly, on account of the evil of your doings, because you have forsaken me.
21: The Lord will make the pestilence cleave to you until he has consumed you off the land which you are entering to take possession of it.
22: The Lord will smite you with consumption, and with fever, inflammation, and fiery heat, and with drought, and with blasting, and with mildew; they shall pursue you until you perish.
23: And the heavens over your head shall be brass, and the earth under you shall be iron.
24: The Lord will make the rain of your land powder and dust; from heaven it shall come down upon you until you are destroyed.

61: Every sickness also, and every affliction which is not recorded in the book of this law, the LORD will bring upon you, until you are destroyed.
62: Whereas you were as the stars of heaven for multitude, you shall be left few in number; because you did not obey the voice of the LORD your God.
63: And as the LORD took delight in doing you good and multiplying you, so the LORD will take delight in bringing ruin upon you and destroying you; and you shall be plucked off the land which you are entering to take possession of it.
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11/14/2016 8:33:54 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/13/2016 6:00:41 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 5:50:39 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 11/12/2016 5:16:01 AM, bulproof wrote:
It's right there in genesis, can any of you godists find it or is the truth something to be avoided at all costs?
Go and have an honest read.

Yeah. Evil is actually like emptiness or darkness, it is really nothing, or lack of good. So, when evil is present, it means good is not present. It is like darkness that is present, when light is not in the place. And so, when evil comes, it means God is rejected, or that people are without God. When people are without God, and live not according to His rules, evil is ruling. God "created" evil by allowing people have freedom and reject Him and truth and everything good.

That's an interesting take. I take it you are suggesting that God did not create evil, but evil created itself from seperating itself from the love that is the divine nature of God.
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11/14/2016 8:39:06 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/13/2016 6:00:41 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
That's an interesting take. I take it you are suggesting that God did not create evil, but evil created itself from seperating itself from the love that is the divine nature of God.

I mean that evil is really nothing. Evil is that when good is not present. And that emptiness is "created" so that God allows people to be without Him. When God lefts people alone, evil is created, because then good is not in the place.

Evil didn"t create itself, because it is nothing. But evil was caused by God, when He allowed people to reject Him and live not according to His will.
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11/14/2016 8:57:29 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/14/2016 8:39:06 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 6:00:41 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
That's an interesting take. I take it you are suggesting that God did not create evil, but evil created itself from seperating itself from the love that is the divine nature of God.

I mean that evil is really nothing. Evil is that when good is not present. And that emptiness is "created" so that God allows people to be without Him. When God lefts people alone, evil is created, because then good is not in the place.

Evil didn"t create itself, because it is nothing. But evil was caused by God, when He allowed people to reject Him and live not according to His will. : :

Deuteronomy 28
15: "But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord your God or be careful to do all his commandments which I command you this day, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you.
16: Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the field.
17: Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading-trough.
18: cursed shall be the fruit of your body, and the fruit of your ground, the increase of your cattle, and the young of your flock.
19: Cursed shall you be when you come in, and cursed shall you be when you go out.
20: "the Lord will send upon you curses, confusion, and frustration, in all that you undertake to do, until you are destroyed and perish quickly, on account of the evil of your doings, because you have forsaken me.
21: The Lord will make the pestilence cleave to you until he has consumed you off the land which you are entering to take possession of it.
22: The Lord will smite you with consumption, and with fever, inflammation, and fiery heat, and with drought, and with blasting, and with mildew; they shall pursue you until you perish.
23: And the heavens over your head shall be brass, and the earth under you shall be iron.
24: The Lord will make the rain of your land powder and dust; from heaven it shall come down upon you until you are destroyed.

61: Every sickness also, and every affliction which is not recorded in the book of this law, the LORD will bring upon you, until you are destroyed.
62: Whereas you were as the stars of heaven for multitude, you shall be left few in number; because you did not obey the voice of the LORD your God.
63: And as the LORD took delight in doing you good and multiplying you, so the LORD will take delight in bringing ruin upon you and destroying you; and you shall be plucked off the land which you are entering to take possession of it.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
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11/14/2016 9:30:33 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/14/2016 8:39:06 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 6:00:41 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
That's an interesting take. I take it you are suggesting that God did not create evil, but evil created itself from seperating itself from the love that is the divine nature of God.

I mean that evil is really nothing. Evil is that when good is not present. And that emptiness is "created" so that God allows people to be without Him. When God lefts people alone, evil is created, because then good is not in the place.

Evil didn"t create itself, because it is nothing. But evil was caused by God, when He allowed people to reject Him and live not according to His will.

I can imagine how difficult it is to see the world without knowing the relationship between the soul and the spirit. Your spirit knows of know evil. But the soul does. Without the experiences of the soul, the spirit would know of no other way to behave other than the behavior of God. God doesn't want a bunch of robotic spirits acting according to his will, rather learning to have a will of their own.
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11/14/2016 10:19:34 PM
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There is a discussion among rabbinic sources about this -- the two views are what you would expect (and what have been opined here):

1. God created evil, just as the verse said. There is nothing that God didn't create. God of all means ALL.

2. Evil is the absence of good. God allowed for evil to be perceived when there became an absence of good. While this is a "making" it is not a "creating."
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11/14/2016 10:43:59 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/12/2016 5:16:01 AM, bulproof wrote:
It's right there in genesis, can any of you godists find it or is the truth something to be avoided at all costs?
Go and have an honest read. :

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Genesis 2:9
And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.


I believe someone already said this, but what would God be if He didn't create evil which is where we know we have free will !?

God has brought many evil on sinners, and has done great evil when He destroyed the earth with the flood. He also repented, or changed His mind at times from doing evil on His own wicked people:

Exodus 32:14 And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
So what?

This proves that God is Good because he chooses to be Good, and Merciful, and Loving,. This shows us that He could be like Satan, creating us so he could torture us throughout eternity. Like doctors and the nurses who daily inject healthy children with deadly chemo and radiation where they suffer and die over years, up to six years day after day injections until their insides are eaten up by these chemicals.

Get your flu-shots lately?

Here is an example of evil: (reading it off from a Health Insurance mailer-pamphlet)

"Did you know that 1 in 8 women will be diagnosed with breast cancer?"
(notice this is NOT some statistics taken from surveys, .. no, this is a FACT that .. 1 in 8 women WILL be diagnosed with breast cancer whether they have cancer or not, ok!?)

Further the pamphlet says: "Perhaps even more surprising is that some people don't have any signs or symptoms - and may find they have cancer after a routine mammogram. (No Kidding, the "You Have Cancer" agenda!)

That's why it is important to get regular screenings, even if you're feeling perfectly healthy."

Oh yeah, and don't forget to bring your perfect running car in for a check-up where (lucky you) we always find at least $800.00 worth of repairs.
There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil
to one who is striking at the root. - Henry David Thoreau
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11/14/2016 10:45:10 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/12/2016 5:16:01 AM, bulproof wrote:
It's right there in genesis, can any of you godists find it or is the truth something to be avoided at all costs?
Go and have an honest read.

God did indeed create evil. Its in Isaiah and its plain to see. What is the issue with this?
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11/14/2016 10:47:10 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/13/2016 6:00:41 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 5:50:39 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 11/12/2016 5:16:01 AM, bulproof wrote:
It's right there in genesis, can any of you godists find it or is the truth something to be avoided at all costs?
Go and have an honest read.

Yeah. Evil is actually like emptiness or darkness, it is really nothing, or lack of good. So, when evil is present, it means good is not present. It is like darkness that is present, when light is not in the place. And so, when evil comes, it means God is rejected, or that people are without God. When people are without God, and live not according to His rules, evil is ruling. God "created" evil by allowing people have freedom and reject Him and truth and everything good.

That's an interesting take. I take it you are suggesting that God did not create evil, but evil created itself from seperating itself from the love that is the divine nature of God.

where exactly did you find this in scripture?