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11/13/2016 3:23:54 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
Do you believe hell is a literal physical place of eternal torment like Jesus did?

Matthew 13:47-50

"Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

If not please explain why Jesus was wrong about hell being a literal place where people suffer pain causing weeping and gnashing of teeth?

Or do you think he was just lying to scare people?

If like me you think the bible clearly implies that hell is a literal place of eternal torment do you accept that Yawheh would have to create new bodies for us in order to experience all of the pain of hell?

When the unenlightened authors of biblical scripture wrote about hell they didn't know it was impossible for a soul without a physical body to experience pain.

Now we know this to be untrue and that pain can only be felt by the physical structure of a nervous system. The best proof that the soul cannot feel pain is people afflicted with a condition called congential insensitivity to pain with anhydrosis (CIPA):

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov...

Congenital insensitivity to pain with anhidrosis (CIPA) has two characteristic features: the inability to feel pain and temperature, and decreased or absent sweating (anhidrosis). This condition is also known as hereditary sensory and autonomic neuropathy type IV. The signs and symptoms of CIPA appear early, usually at birth or during infancy, but with careful medical attention, affected individuals can live into adulthood.

An inability to feel pain and temperature often leads to repeated severe injuries. Unintentional self-injury is common in people with CIPA, typically by biting the tongue, lips, or fingers, which may lead to spontaneous amputation of the affected area. In addition, people with CIPA heal slowly from skin and bone injuries. Repeated trauma can lead to chronic bone infections (osteomyelitis) or a condition called Charcot joints, in which the bones and tissue surrounding joints are destroyed.

This proves my argument here because Christians would all say that people with CIPA have soles yet as they are unable to experience pain in this life Yawheh would have to create new physical bodies for them solely for them to experience pain and suffering in hell causing the gnashing of teeth Jesus describes.

This argument displays the ignorance of the authors of the books of the bible as well as demonstrating that the bible is incompatible with reality.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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11/13/2016 4:31:19 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
It seems Chloe has now admitted to having a soul. Her soul becomes her personality. A personality experiences emotions. Emotions can certainly experience emotional pain, and emotional pleasure. Some days she is happy. Other days she is sad. How sad becomes the day the soul gets thrown into the fervent torment of desires to become soulless.
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11/13/2016 7:48:20 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/13/2016 4:31:19 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
It seems Chloe has now admitted to having a soul. Her soul becomes her personality. A personality experiences emotions. Emotions can certainly experience emotional pain, and emotional pleasure. Some days she is happy. Other days she is sad. How sad becomes the day the soul gets thrown into the fervent torment of desires to become soulless.

I don't have a soul. I'm just pointing out if they existed they could not feel the pain in hell that causes gnashing of teeth.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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11/13/2016 9:41:21 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/13/2016 7:48:20 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 4:31:19 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
It seems Chloe has now admitted to having a soul. Her soul becomes her personality. A personality experiences emotions. Emotions can certainly experience emotional pain, and emotional pleasure. Some days she is happy. Other days she is sad. How sad becomes the day the soul gets thrown into the fervent torment of desires to become soulless.

I don't have a soul. I'm just pointing out if they existed they could not feel the pain in hell that causes gnashing of teeth.

If you don't have a soul, then what cause our brains that all look the same to have separate identities? A brain is simply an organic computer. It's hardware. The soul is the software that allows you to become unique. If you did not have a soul, you would not be able to speak with emotion.
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11/13/2016 9:57:16 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/13/2016 9:41:21 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 7:48:20 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 4:31:19 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
It seems Chloe has now admitted to having a soul. Her soul becomes her personality. A personality experiences emotions. Emotions can certainly experience emotional pain, and emotional pleasure. Some days she is happy. Other days she is sad. How sad becomes the day the soul gets thrown into the fervent torment of desires to become soulless.

I don't have a soul. I'm just pointing out if they existed they could not feel the pain in hell that causes gnashing of teeth.

If you don't have a soul, then what cause our brains that all look the same to have separate identities? A brain is simply an organic computer. It's hardware. The soul is the software that allows you to become unique. If you did not have a soul, you would not be able to speak with emotion.

Animals have emotions yet Christians don't claim they have a soul. Animals have different identities and personalities and Christians don't claim they have soles.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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11/13/2016 11:12:25 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/13/2016 9:41:21 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 7:48:20 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 4:31:19 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
It seems Chloe has now admitted to having a soul. Her soul becomes her personality. A personality experiences emotions. Emotions can certainly experience emotional pain, and emotional pleasure. Some days she is happy. Other days she is sad. How sad becomes the day the soul gets thrown into the fervent torment of desires to become soulless.

I don't have a soul. I'm just pointing out if they existed they could not feel the pain in hell that causes gnashing of teeth.

If you don't have a soul, then what cause our brains that all look the same to have separate identities.

Every brain is wired differently as it develops. All chessboards look the same at the start of a game but there is a near-infinity of possible arrangement of pieces after that. So it is with brains.

A brain is simply an organic computer. It's hardware.

Not quite. Computer hardware does not change over time. The brain is changing continuously forming and unforming connections between neurons. It is not like an electronic computer at all. Read up on the plasticity of the brain:

https://en.wikipedia.org...

The soul is the software that allows you to become unique.

An assertion backed by nothing. Software is a set of instructions obeyed by a computer and must be loaded into memory from some source and then executed. There is no equivalent in a brain. Brains are self-modifying and are both the hardware and the software combined.

If you did not have a soul, you would not be able to speak with emotion.

An argument from ignorance. A baby does not "speak with emotion". It doesn't speak at all until over a year old. Are you claiming babies don't have souls? What's more many animals display emotions such as anger, fear, jealousy, affection and frustration. Do they have souls too?
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11/13/2016 11:32:02 PM
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At 11/13/2016 9:57:16 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 9:41:21 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 7:48:20 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 4:31:19 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
It seems Chloe has now admitted to having a soul. Her soul becomes her personality. A personality experiences emotions. Emotions can certainly experience emotional pain, and emotional pleasure. Some days she is happy. Other days she is sad. How sad becomes the day the soul gets thrown into the fervent torment of desires to become soulless.

I don't have a soul. I'm just pointing out if they existed they could not feel the pain in hell that causes gnashing of teeth.

If you don't have a soul, then what cause our brains that all look the same to have separate identities? A brain is simply an organic computer. It's hardware. The soul is the software that allows you to become unique. If you did not have a soul, you would not be able to speak with emotion.

Animals have emotions yet Christians don't claim they have a soul. Animals have different identities and personalities and Christians don't claim they have soles.

Animals have souls. Animals definitely have souls. I had a conversation with a dog not too long ago. A bit of a misunderstanding it seems. It was my bad to be honest. I was over at this dogs house kickin it like its mine, b'cause it was filthy. It's the cats. Cats can make a real mess inside their litter boxes when all things get considered. So I considered giving the tidied mess a sweep, b'cause cats are cool like that. They're actually pretty considered like that when you get to thinking about it. But that's the problem. I got to thinking about things. I took the litter box outside with the intention of cleaning it, but then I got distracted and maybe a few days go by. It happens. So the litter box never got put back in the house. Well the cats still has to do what cats do. Doo doo on the floor, no doubt. I'm dropping four to the floor giving it a proper mop. At least I tried to. You can't really mop shizz cuz that shizz is not spreading like a porn film in a room. The dog starts barking redrum. Dogs pissed. It's like I'm pissing in his house and that was my bad. So I apologized. We cool about it. He got over it. I'm just glad he brought it to my attention.
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11/13/2016 11:43:56 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/13/2016 3:23:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Do you believe hell is a literal physical place of eternal torment like Jesus did?

Matthew 13:47-50

"Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

If not please explain why Jesus was wrong about hell being a literal place where people suffer pain causing weeping and gnashing of teeth?

Or do you think he was just lying to scare people?

If like me you think the bible clearly implies that hell is a literal place of eternal torment do you accept that Yawheh would have to create new bodies for us in order to experience all of the pain of hell?

When the unenlightened authors of biblical scripture wrote about hell they didn't know it was impossible for a soul without a physical body to experience pain.

Now we know this to be untrue and that pain can only be felt by the physical structure of a nervous system. The best proof that the soul cannot feel pain is people afflicted with a condition called congential insensitivity to pain with anhydrosis (CIPA):

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov...

Congenital insensitivity to pain with anhidrosis (CIPA) has two characteristic features: the inability to feel pain and temperature, and decreased or absent sweating (anhidrosis). This condition is also known as hereditary sensory and autonomic neuropathy type IV. The signs and symptoms of CIPA appear early, usually at birth or during infancy, but with careful medical attention, affected individuals can live into adulthood.

An inability to feel pain and temperature often leads to repeated severe injuries. Unintentional self-injury is common in people with CIPA, typically by biting the tongue, lips, or fingers, which may lead to spontaneous amputation of the affected area. In addition, people with CIPA heal slowly from skin and bone injuries. Repeated trauma can lead to chronic bone infections (osteomyelitis) or a condition called Charcot joints, in which the bones and tissue surrounding joints are destroyed.

This proves my argument here because Christians would all say that people with CIPA have soles yet as they are unable to experience pain in this life Yawheh would have to create new physical bodies for them solely for them to experience pain and suffering in hell causing the gnashing of teeth Jesus describes.

This argument displays the ignorance of the authors of the books of the bible as well as demonstrating that the bible is incompatible with reality.

The current Christians particularly the moderate one tend to reject the concept of hell as the torment place. They think hell is merely a grave where the dead people will be ceased eternally there.
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11/13/2016 11:52:14 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/13/2016 11:12:25 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 11/13/2016 9:41:21 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 7:48:20 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 4:31:19 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
It seems Chloe has now admitted to having a soul. Her soul becomes her personality. A personality experiences emotions. Emotions can certainly experience emotional pain, and emotional pleasure. Some days she is happy. Other days she is sad. How sad becomes the day the soul gets thrown into the fervent torment of desires to become soulless.

I don't have a soul. I'm just pointing out if they existed they could not feel the pain in hell that causes gnashing of teeth.

If you don't have a soul, then what cause our brains that all look the same to have separate identities.

Every brain is wired differently as it develops. All chessboards look the same at the start of a game but there is a near-infinity of possible arrangement of pieces after that. So it is with brains.

A brain is simply an organic computer. It's hardware.

Not quite. Computer hardware does not change over time. The brain is changing continuously forming and unforming connections between neurons. It is not like an electronic computer at all. Read up on the plasticity of the brain:

I called it an organic computer, not an electronic computer. A brain can modify its circuitry with stumulations making neural connections to synapses. Sure. It's organic.

https://en.wikipedia.org...

The soul is the software that allows you to become unique.

An assertion backed by nothing. Software is a set of instructions obeyed by a computer and must be loaded into memory from some source and then executed. There is no equivalent in a brain. Brains are self-modifying and are both the hardware and the software combined.

Consider the pineal gland as the hardrive to insert the soul as the necessary software for consciousness. It takes 49 days for the pineal gland to fully developed inside a fetus. It takes 49 days for a reincarnation to occur, according to the Buddhists. Coincidence? I don't think so.

If you did not have a soul, you would not be able to speak with emotion.

An argument from ignorance. A baby does not "speak with emotion". It doesn't speak at all until over a year old. Are you claiming babies don't have souls? What's more many animals display emotions such as anger, fear, jealousy, affection and frustration. Do they have souls too?

Yes animals definitely have souls. And babies definitely speak with emotional laughters and crying, and all states of bewildered expressions in between, trying to communicate how they feel without being able to speak.
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11/14/2016 12:57:18 AM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/13/2016 11:43:56 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/13/2016 3:23:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Do you believe hell is a literal physical place of eternal torment like Jesus did?

Matthew 13:47-50

"Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

If not please explain why Jesus was wrong about hell being a literal place where people suffer pain causing weeping and gnashing of teeth?

Or do you think he was just lying to scare people?

If like me you think the bible clearly implies that hell is a literal place of eternal torment do you accept that Yawheh would have to create new bodies for us in order to experience all of the pain of hell?

When the unenlightened authors of biblical scripture wrote about hell they didn't know it was impossible for a soul without a physical body to experience pain.

Now we know this to be untrue and that pain can only be felt by the physical structure of a nervous system. The best proof that the soul cannot feel pain is people afflicted with a condition called congential insensitivity to pain with anhydrosis (CIPA):

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov...

Congenital insensitivity to pain with anhidrosis (CIPA) has two characteristic features: the inability to feel pain and temperature, and decreased or absent sweating (anhidrosis). This condition is also known as hereditary sensory and autonomic neuropathy type IV. The signs and symptoms of CIPA appear early, usually at birth or during infancy, but with careful medical attention, affected individuals can live into adulthood.

An inability to feel pain and temperature often leads to repeated severe injuries. Unintentional self-injury is common in people with CIPA, typically by biting the tongue, lips, or fingers, which may lead to spontaneous amputation of the affected area. In addition, people with CIPA heal slowly from skin and bone injuries. Repeated trauma can lead to chronic bone infections (osteomyelitis) or a condition called Charcot joints, in which the bones and tissue surrounding joints are destroyed.

This proves my argument here because Christians would all say that people with CIPA have soles yet as they are unable to experience pain in this life Yawheh would have to create new physical bodies for them solely for them to experience pain and suffering in hell causing the gnashing of teeth Jesus describes.

This argument displays the ignorance of the authors of the books of the bible as well as demonstrating that the bible is incompatible with reality.

The current Christians particularly the moderate one tend to reject the concept of hell as the torment place. They think hell is merely a grave where the dead people will be ceased eternally there.
To my knowledge, just Jehovah's witnesses believe that way. Is there any other church that believe the same as them?
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11/14/2016 1:38:49 AM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/13/2016 3:23:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Do you believe hell is a literal physical place of eternal torment like Jesus did?

Matthew 13:47-50

"Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

If not please explain why Jesus was wrong about hell being a literal place where people suffer pain causing weeping and gnashing of teeth?

Or do you think he was just lying to scare people?

If like me you think the bible clearly implies that hell is a literal place of eternal torment do you accept that Yawheh would have to create new bodies for us in order to experience all of the pain of hell?

When the unenlightened authors of biblical scripture wrote about hell they didn't know it was impossible for a soul without a physical body to experience pain.

Now we know this to be untrue and that pain can only be felt by the physical structure of a nervous system. The best proof that the soul cannot feel pain is people afflicted with a condition called congential insensitivity to pain with anhydrosis (CIPA):

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov...

Congenital insensitivity to pain with anhidrosis (CIPA) has two characteristic features: the inability to feel pain and temperature, and decreased or absent sweating (anhidrosis). This condition is also known as hereditary sensory and autonomic neuropathy type IV. The signs and symptoms of CIPA appear early, usually at birth or during infancy, but with careful medical attention, affected individuals can live into adulthood.

An inability to feel pain and temperature often leads to repeated severe injuries. Unintentional self-injury is common in people with CIPA, typically by biting the tongue, lips, or fingers, which may lead to spontaneous amputation of the affected area. In addition, people with CIPA heal slowly from skin and bone injuries. Repeated trauma can lead to chronic bone infections (osteomyelitis) or a condition called Charcot joints, in which the bones and tissue surrounding joints are destroyed.

This proves my argument here because Christians would all say that people with CIPA have soles yet as they are unable to experience pain in this life Yawheh would have to create new physical bodies for them solely for them to experience pain and suffering in hell causing the gnashing of teeth Jesus describes.
Cipa keeps physical pain at bay, Where does it say the soul only feels pain if the body does?. You make some extremely ignorant leaps of logic, well lack of it at least.

This argument displays the ignorance of the authors of the books of the bible as well as demonstrating that the bible is incompatible with reality.
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11/14/2016 1:49:15 AM
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At 11/13/2016 9:41:21 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 7:48:20 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 4:31:19 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
It seems Chloe has now admitted to having a soul. Her soul becomes her personality. A personality experiences emotions. Emotions can certainly experience emotional pain, and emotional pleasure. Some days she is happy. Other days she is sad. How sad becomes the day the soul gets thrown into the fervent torment of desires to become soulless.

I don't have a soul. I'm just pointing out if they existed they could not feel the pain in hell that causes gnashing of teeth.

If you don't have a soul, then what cause our brains that all look the same to have separate identities? A brain is simply an organic computer. It's hardware. The soul is the software that allows you to become unique. If you did not have a soul, you would not be able to speak with emotion.

You could say, without a soul there's nothing else
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11/14/2016 1:55:55 AM
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At 11/14/2016 1:49:15 AM, difference wrote:
At 11/13/2016 9:41:21 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 7:48:20 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 4:31:19 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
It seems Chloe has now admitted to having a soul. Her soul becomes her personality. A personality experiences emotions. Emotions can certainly experience emotional pain, and emotional pleasure. Some days she is happy. Other days she is sad. How sad becomes the day the soul gets thrown into the fervent torment of desires to become soulless.

I don't have a soul. I'm just pointing out if they existed they could not feel the pain in hell that causes gnashing of teeth.

If you don't have a soul, then what cause our brains that all look the same to have separate identities? A brain is simply an organic computer. It's hardware. The soul is the software that allows you to become unique. If you did not have a soul, you would not be able to speak with emotion.

You could say, without a soul there's nothing else

You could say there is a difference between the soul and the spirit.
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11/14/2016 3:45:53 AM
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At 11/13/2016 11:52:14 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 11:12:25 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 11/13/2016 9:41:21 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 7:48:20 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 4:31:19 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
It seems Chloe has now admitted to having a soul. Her soul becomes her personality. A personality experiences emotions. Emotions can certainly experience emotional pain, and emotional pleasure. Some days she is happy. Other days she is sad. How sad becomes the day the soul gets thrown into the fervent torment of desires to become soulless.

I don't have a soul. I'm just pointing out if they existed they could not feel the pain in hell that causes gnashing of teeth.

If you don't have a soul, then what cause our brains that all look the same to have separate identities.

Every brain is wired differently as it develops. All chessboards look the same at the start of a game but there is a near-infinity of possible arrangement of pieces after that. So it is with brains.

A brain is simply an organic computer. It's hardware.

Not quite. Computer hardware does not change over time. The brain is changing continuously forming and unforming connections between neurons. It is not like an electronic computer at all. Read up on the plasticity of the brain:

https://en.wikipedia.org...

I called it an organic computer, not an electronic computer. A brain can modify its circuitry with stumulations making neural connections to synapses. Sure. It's organic.

Then it is nothing like a computer and making an analogy to one is disingenuous.

The soul is the software that allows you to become unique.

An assertion backed by nothing. Software is a set of instructions obeyed by a computer and must be loaded into memory from some source and then executed. There is no equivalent in a brain. Brains are self-modifying and are both the hardware and the software combined.

Consider the pineal gland as the hardrive to insert the soul as the necessary software for consciousness. It takes 49 days for the pineal gland to fully developed inside a fetus. It takes 49 days for a reincarnation to occur, according to the Buddhists. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Don't be ridiculous. This is mere pseudoscientific babble. The function of the pineal gland is known and it has nothing to do with brain operation.

If you did not have a soul, you would not be able to speak with emotion.

An argument from ignorance. A baby does not "speak with emotion". It doesn't speak at all until over a year old. Are you claiming babies don't have souls? What's more many animals display emotions such as anger, fear, jealousy, affection and frustration. Do they have souls too?

Yes animals definitely have souls. And babies definitely speak with emotional laughters and crying, and all states of bewildered expressions in between, trying to communicate how they feel without being able to speak.

Then it has nothing to do with "speaking with emotion" as you originally asserted. Emotions are reactions of brains triggered by external stimuli. There is nothing mystical about them. Most animals with reasonably sized brains have them as you readily acknowledge. That makes the concept of a soul superfluous. It provides no explanatory power and therefore can be dismissed by applying Occam's Razor.
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11/14/2016 4:09:50 AM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/13/2016 3:23:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Do you believe hell is a literal physical place of eternal torment like Jesus did?

Matthew 13:47-50

"Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

If not please explain why Jesus was wrong about hell being a literal place where people suffer pain causing weeping and gnashing of teeth?

Or do you think he was just lying to scare people?

If like me you think the bible clearly implies that hell is a literal place of eternal torment do you accept that Yawheh would have to create new bodies for us in order to experience all of the pain of hell?

When the unenlightened authors of biblical scripture wrote about hell they didn't know it was impossible for a soul without a physical body to experience pain.

Now we know this to be untrue and that pain can only be felt by the physical structure of a nervous system. The best proof that the soul cannot feel pain is people afflicted with a condition called congential insensitivity to pain with anhydrosis (CIPA):

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov...

Congenital insensitivity to pain with anhidrosis (CIPA) has two characteristic features: the inability to feel pain and temperature, and decreased or absent sweating (anhidrosis). This condition is also known as hereditary sensory and autonomic neuropathy type IV. The signs and symptoms of CIPA appear early, usually at birth or during infancy, but with careful medical attention, affected individuals can live into adulthood.

An inability to feel pain and temperature often leads to repeated severe injuries. Unintentional self-injury is common in people with CIPA, typically by biting the tongue, lips, or fingers, which may lead to spontaneous amputation of the affected area. In addition, people with CIPA heal slowly from skin and bone injuries. Repeated trauma can lead to chronic bone infections (osteomyelitis) or a condition called Charcot joints, in which the bones and tissue surrounding joints are destroyed.

This proves my argument here because Christians would all say that people with CIPA have soles yet as they are unable to experience pain in this life Yawheh would have to create new physical bodies for them solely for them to experience pain and suffering in hell causing the gnashing of teeth Jesus describes.

This argument displays the ignorance of the authors of the books of the bible as well as demonstrating that the bible is incompatible with reality.

Hell is described as a blazing furnace, fiery lake of burning sulfur, lake of fire, everlasting destruction, where the fire never goes out, eternal fire, similar to Sodam and Gomorrah as those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire, and destruction of body and soul.
http://www.biblestudytools.com...

You have one verse that calls it a furnace but Christians can say it is metaphorical. However you have to show multiple verses describing hell in detail especially the one comparing it to Sodam and Gomorrah.

You can also argue that the bible describes hell with fire and never says it is simply a place away from God.

Another thought is that Jesus took the punishment of our sins upon himself but it only counts if we accept him and become born again. If not, then we will pay the full price of our sins. It is very clear that Jesus was tortured for our sins which means the punishment in hell involves torture.

You said that some people can't feel pain, and therefore pain is an attribute of our physical bodies. It is entirely possible that God could just make our souls feel pain in some way in hell. The bible also never claims that pain is involved.

You also never question the morality of eternally torturing people for their private religious beliefs.
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11/14/2016 4:57:17 AM
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At 11/14/2016 12:57:18 AM, Archaholic wrote:
At 11/13/2016 11:43:56 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/13/2016 3:23:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Do you believe hell is a literal physical place of eternal torment like Jesus did?

Matthew 13:47-50

"Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

If not please explain why Jesus was wrong about hell being a literal place where people suffer pain causing weeping and gnashing of teeth?

Or do you think he was just lying to scare people?

If like me you think the bible clearly implies that hell is a literal place of eternal torment do you accept that Yawheh would have to create new bodies for us in order to experience all of the pain of hell?

When the unenlightened authors of biblical scripture wrote about hell they didn't know it was impossible for a soul without a physical body to experience pain.

Now we know this to be untrue and that pain can only be felt by the physical structure of a nervous system. The best proof that the soul cannot feel pain is people afflicted with a condition called congential insensitivity to pain with anhydrosis (CIPA):

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov...

Congenital insensitivity to pain with anhidrosis (CIPA) has two characteristic features: the inability to feel pain and temperature, and decreased or absent sweating (anhidrosis). This condition is also known as hereditary sensory and autonomic neuropathy type IV. The signs and symptoms of CIPA appear early, usually at birth or during infancy, but with careful medical attention, affected individuals can live into adulthood.

An inability to feel pain and temperature often leads to repeated severe injuries. Unintentional self-injury is common in people with CIPA, typically by biting the tongue, lips, or fingers, which may lead to spontaneous amputation of the affected area. In addition, people with CIPA heal slowly from skin and bone injuries. Repeated trauma can lead to chronic bone infections (osteomyelitis) or a condition called Charcot joints, in which the bones and tissue surrounding joints are destroyed.

This proves my argument here because Christians would all say that people with CIPA have soles yet as they are unable to experience pain in this life Yawheh would have to create new physical bodies for them solely for them to experience pain and suffering in hell causing the gnashing of teeth Jesus describes.

This argument displays the ignorance of the authors of the books of the bible as well as demonstrating that the bible is incompatible with reality.

The current Christians particularly the moderate one tend to reject the concept of hell as the torment place. They think hell is merely a grave where the dead people will be ceased eternally there.
To my knowledge, just Jehovah's witnesses believe that way. Is there any other church that believe the same as them?

there are few christian denominations who don't believe in hell:
- Seventh Day Adventists.
- the Unitarian Universalists.
- personal non affiliated Christian.
- Liberal theologist Christians.
- Christadelphians.
- the Westminster Confession of Faith (hell is onloy a grave).
- Methodist.
- Anglicanism.
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11/14/2016 1:17:10 PM
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At 11/14/2016 3:45:53 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 11/13/2016 11:52:14 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 11:12:25 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 11/13/2016 9:41:21 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 7:48:20 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 4:31:19 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
It seems Chloe has now admitted to having a soul. Her soul becomes her personality. A personality experiences emotions. Emotions can certainly experience emotional pain, and emotional pleasure. Some days she is happy. Other days she is sad. How sad becomes the day the soul gets thrown into the fervent torment of desires to become soulless.

I don't have a soul. I'm just pointing out if they existed they could not feel the pain in hell that causes gnashing of teeth.

If you don't have a soul, then what cause our brains that all look the same to have separate identities.

Every brain is wired differently as it develops. All chessboards look the same at the start of a game but there is a near-infinity of possible arrangement of pieces after that. So it is with brains.

A brain is simply an organic computer. It's hardware.

Not quite. Computer hardware does not change over time. The brain is changing continuously forming and unforming connections between neurons. It is not like an electronic computer at all. Read up on the plasticity of the brain:

https://en.wikipedia.org...

I called it an organic computer, not an electronic computer. A brain can modify its circuitry with stumulations making neural connections to synapses. Sure. It's organic.

Then it is nothing like a computer and making an analogy to one is disingenuous.

Except it is exactly like a computer. The brain is such an efficient computer we are attempting to model computers based on the functionality of the brain, as the brain becomes a smaller replication of the universe. You're simply living in the dark ages. As old as you are, how is it you never seem to know what time it is? The universe is constantly making new connections. Solar systems come and go as cosmic neurological connections are made around their shining synapses of stars.

The soul is the software that allows you to become unique.

An assertion backed by nothing. Software is a set of instructions obeyed by a computer and must be loaded into memory from some source and then executed. There is no equivalent in a brain. Brains are self-modifying and are both the hardware and the software combined.

Consider the pineal gland as the hardrive to insert the soul as the necessary software for consciousness. It takes 49 days for the pineal gland to fully developed inside a fetus. It takes 49 days for a reincarnation to occur, according to the Buddhists. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Don't be ridiculous. This is mere pseudoscientific babble. The function of the pineal gland is known and it has nothing to do with brain operation.

If the pineal gland has nothing to do with the function of the brain, then why is it sitting inside the central command of the brain? The pineal gland sits precisely in the most protected part of the brain. It sits in the very center of the brain. You only think it's a pseudoscience because you don't know how to use it. At least you think you don't.

If you did not have a soul, you would not be able to speak with emotion.

An argument from ignorance. A baby does not "speak with emotion". It doesn't speak at all until over a year old. Are you claiming babies don't have souls? What's more many animals display emotions such as anger, fear, jealousy, affection and frustration. Do they have souls too?

Yes animals definitely have souls. And babies definitely speak with emotional laughters and crying, and all states of bewildered expressions in between, trying to communicate how they feel without being able to speak.

Then it has nothing to do with "speaking with emotion" as you originally asserted. Emotions are reactions of brains triggered by external stimuli. There is nothing mystical about them. Most animals with reasonably sized brains have them as you readily acknowledge. That makes the concept of a soul superfluous. It provides no explanatory power and therefore can be dismissed by applying Occam's Razor.

Please clarify what you are trying to say. Are you seriously suggesting that a baby cannot communicate its emotions?
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11/14/2016 2:12:03 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/13/2016 3:23:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Do you believe hell is a literal physical place of eternal torment like Jesus did?

Matthew 13:47-50

"Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

If not please explain why Jesus was wrong about hell being a literal place where people suffer pain causing weeping and gnashing of teeth?

Or do you think he was just lying to scare people?

If like me you think the bible clearly implies that hell is a literal place of eternal torment do you accept that Yawheh would have to create new bodies for us in order to experience all of the pain of hell?

When the unenlightened authors of biblical scripture wrote about hell they didn't know it was impossible for a soul without a physical body to experience pain.

Now we know this to be untrue and that pain can only be felt by the physical structure of a nervous system. The best proof that the soul cannot feel pain is people afflicted with a condition called congential insensitivity to pain with anhydrosis (CIPA):

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov...

Congenital insensitivity to pain with anhidrosis (CIPA) has two characteristic features: the inability to feel pain and temperature, and decreased or absent sweating (anhidrosis). This condition is also known as hereditary sensory and autonomic neuropathy type IV. The signs and symptoms of CIPA appear early, usually at birth or during infancy, but with careful medical attention, affected individuals can live into adulthood.

An inability to feel pain and temperature often leads to repeated severe injuries. Unintentional self-injury is common in people with CIPA, typically by biting the tongue, lips, or fingers, which may lead to spontaneous amputation of the affected area. In addition, people with CIPA heal slowly from skin and bone injuries. Repeated trauma can lead to chronic bone infections (osteomyelitis) or a condition called Charcot joints, in which the bones and tissue surrounding joints are destroyed.

This proves my argument here because Christians would all say that people with CIPA have soles yet as they are unable to experience pain in this life Yawheh would have to create new physical bodies for them solely for them to experience pain and suffering in hell causing the gnashing of teeth Jesus describes.

This argument displays the ignorance of the authors of the books of the bible as well as demonstrating that the bible is incompatible with reality. : :

If Jesus would have written the New Testament, no man could have understood it.
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11/14/2016 7:46:03 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/14/2016 2:12:03 PM, Escobar wrote:
At 11/13/2016 3:23:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Do you believe hell is a literal physical place of eternal torment like Jesus did?

Matthew 13:47-50

"Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

If not please explain why Jesus was wrong about hell being a literal place where people suffer pain causing weeping and gnashing of teeth?

Or do you think he was just lying to scare people?

If like me you think the bible clearly implies that hell is a literal place of eternal torment do you accept that Yawheh would have to create new bodies for us in order to experience all of the pain of hell?

When the unenlightened authors of biblical scripture wrote about hell they didn't know it was impossible for a soul without a physical body to experience pain.

Now we know this to be untrue and that pain can only be felt by the physical structure of a nervous system. The best proof that the soul cannot feel pain is people afflicted with a condition called congential insensitivity to pain with anhydrosis (CIPA):

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov...

Congenital insensitivity to pain with anhidrosis (CIPA) has two characteristic features: the inability to feel pain and temperature, and decreased or absent sweating (anhidrosis). This condition is also known as hereditary sensory and autonomic neuropathy type IV. The signs and symptoms of CIPA appear early, usually at birth or during infancy, but with careful medical attention, affected individuals can live into adulthood.

An inability to feel pain and temperature often leads to repeated severe injuries. Unintentional self-injury is common in people with CIPA, typically by biting the tongue, lips, or fingers, which may lead to spontaneous amputation of the affected area. In addition, people with CIPA heal slowly from skin and bone injuries. Repeated trauma can lead to chronic bone infections (osteomyelitis) or a condition called Charcot joints, in which the bones and tissue surrounding joints are destroyed.

This proves my argument here because Christians would all say that people with CIPA have soles yet as they are unable to experience pain in this life Yawheh would have to create new physical bodies for them solely for them to experience pain and suffering in hell causing the gnashing of teeth Jesus describes.

This argument displays the ignorance of the authors of the books of the bible as well as demonstrating that the bible is incompatible with reality. : :

If Jesus would have written the New Testament, no man could have understood it.

Why? Was Jesus incapable of explaining things? Strange that the son of a god who is also part god and a messiah would lack the ability to write down what needed to be written.
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11/14/2016 8:00:08 PM
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At 11/14/2016 4:09:50 AM, distraff wrote:
At 11/13/2016 3:23:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Do you believe hell is a literal physical place of eternal torment like Jesus did?

Matthew 13:47-50

"Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

If not please explain why Jesus was wrong about hell being a literal place where people suffer pain causing weeping and gnashing of teeth?

Or do you think he was just lying to scare people?

If like me you think the bible clearly implies that hell is a literal place of eternal torment do you accept that Yawheh would have to create new bodies for us in order to experience all of the pain of hell?

When the unenlightened authors of biblical scripture wrote about hell they didn't know it was impossible for a soul without a physical body to experience pain.

Now we know this to be untrue and that pain can only be felt by the physical structure of a nervous system. The best proof that the soul cannot feel pain is people afflicted with a condition called congential insensitivity to pain with anhydrosis (CIPA):

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov...

Congenital insensitivity to pain with anhidrosis (CIPA) has two characteristic features: the inability to feel pain and temperature, and decreased or absent sweating (anhidrosis). This condition is also known as hereditary sensory and autonomic neuropathy type IV. The signs and symptoms of CIPA appear early, usually at birth or during infancy, but with careful medical attention, affected individuals can live into adulthood.

An inability to feel pain and temperature often leads to repeated severe injuries. Unintentional self-injury is common in people with CIPA, typically by biting the tongue, lips, or fingers, which may lead to spontaneous amputation of the affected area. In addition, people with CIPA heal slowly from skin and bone injuries. Repeated trauma can lead to chronic bone infections (osteomyelitis) or a condition called Charcot joints, in which the bones and tissue surrounding joints are destroyed.

This proves my argument here because Christians would all say that people with CIPA have soles yet as they are unable to experience pain in this life Yawheh would have to create new physical bodies for them solely for them to experience pain and suffering in hell causing the gnashing of teeth Jesus describes.

This argument displays the ignorance of the authors of the books of the bible as well as demonstrating that the bible is incompatible with reality.

Hell is described as a blazing furnace, fiery lake of burning sulfur, lake of fire, everlasting destruction, where the fire never goes out, eternal fire, similar to Sodam and Gomorrah as those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire, and destruction of body and soul.
http://www.biblestudytools.com...

Agree.

You have one verse that calls it a furnace but Christians can say it is metaphorical. However you have to show multiple verses describing hell in detail especially the one comparing it to Sodam and Gomorrah.

I've done that before and some still try and bend scripture and claim it's metaphorical.

You can also argue that the bible describes hell with fire and never says it is simply a place away from God.

It could not be more obvious the correct interpretation of the bible is a literal hell with fire.

Another thought is that Jesus took the punishment of our sins upon himself but it only counts if we accept him and become born again. If not, then we will pay the full price of our sins. It is very clear that Jesus was tortured for our sins which means the punishment in hell involves torture.

Yes there is an argument that Jesus suffering will ensure a lot of Christians who would otherwise go to hell go to heaven. This however does not address the fact that the bible only talks of heaven and hell. There is no third place and obviously all non Christians according to the bible go to hell to receive eternal torment with no prospect of forgiveness or escape.

You said that some people can't feel pain, and therefore pain is an attribute of our physical bodies. It is entirely possible that God could just make our souls feel pain in some way in hell. The bible also never claims that pain is involved.

The bible makes it clear there is fire which is obviously physically unpleasant. It's true an omniscient god could specifically create new bodies to enable people to feel the pain it wants them to feel.

You also never question the morality of eternally torturing people for their private religious beliefs.

Obviously it's evil to subject people to eternal torture simply for not believing a religion that does not even have any evidence.
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11/14/2016 8:04:53 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/14/2016 1:38:49 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/13/2016 3:23:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Do you believe hell is a literal physical place of eternal torment like Jesus did?

Matthew 13:47-50

"Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

If not please explain why Jesus was wrong about hell being a literal place where people suffer pain causing weeping and gnashing of teeth?

Or do you think he was just lying to scare people?

If like me you think the bible clearly implies that hell is a literal place of eternal torment do you accept that Yawheh would have to create new bodies for us in order to experience all of the pain of hell?

When the unenlightened authors of biblical scripture wrote about hell they didn't know it was impossible for a soul without a physical body to experience pain.

Now we know this to be untrue and that pain can only be felt by the physical structure of a nervous system. The best proof that the soul cannot feel pain is people afflicted with a condition called congential insensitivity to pain with anhydrosis (CIPA):

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov...

Congenital insensitivity to pain with anhidrosis (CIPA) has two characteristic features: the inability to feel pain and temperature, and decreased or absent sweating (anhidrosis). This condition is also known as hereditary sensory and autonomic neuropathy type IV. The signs and symptoms of CIPA appear early, usually at birth or during infancy, but with careful medical attention, affected individuals can live into adulthood.

An inability to feel pain and temperature often leads to repeated severe injuries. Unintentional self-injury is common in people with CIPA, typically by biting the tongue, lips, or fingers, which may lead to spontaneous amputation of the affected area. In addition, people with CIPA heal slowly from skin and bone injuries. Repeated trauma can lead to chronic bone infections (osteomyelitis) or a condition called Charcot joints, in which the bones and tissue surrounding joints are destroyed.

This proves my argument here because Christians would all say that people with CIPA have soles yet as they are unable to experience pain in this life Yawheh would have to create new physical bodies for them solely for them to experience pain and suffering in hell causing the gnashing of teeth Jesus describes.
Cipa keeps physical pain at bay, Where does it say the soul only feels pain if the body does?. You make some extremely ignorant leaps of logic, well lack of it at least.

A nervous system is necessary to experience physical pain. My point is pain from fire could not cause the gnashing of teeth unless Yawheh creates new bodies specifically to ensure people feel the pain he wants to subject them too in hell.

This argument displays the ignorance of the authors of the books of the bible as well as demonstrating that the bible is incompatible with reality.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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11/14/2016 8:06:54 PM
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At 11/13/2016 11:43:56 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/13/2016 3:23:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Do you believe hell is a literal physical place of eternal torment like Jesus did?

Matthew 13:47-50

"Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

If not please explain why Jesus was wrong about hell being a literal place where people suffer pain causing weeping and gnashing of teeth?

Or do you think he was just lying to scare people?

If like me you think the bible clearly implies that hell is a literal place of eternal torment do you accept that Yawheh would have to create new bodies for us in order to experience all of the pain of hell?

When the unenlightened authors of biblical scripture wrote about hell they didn't know it was impossible for a soul without a physical body to experience pain.

Now we know this to be untrue and that pain can only be felt by the physical structure of a nervous system. The best proof that the soul cannot feel pain is people afflicted with a condition called congential insensitivity to pain with anhydrosis (CIPA):

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov...

Congenital insensitivity to pain with anhidrosis (CIPA) has two characteristic features: the inability to feel pain and temperature, and decreased or absent sweating (anhidrosis). This condition is also known as hereditary sensory and autonomic neuropathy type IV. The signs and symptoms of CIPA appear early, usually at birth or during infancy, but with careful medical attention, affected individuals can live into adulthood.

An inability to feel pain and temperature often leads to repeated severe injuries. Unintentional self-injury is common in people with CIPA, typically by biting the tongue, lips, or fingers, which may lead to spontaneous amputation of the affected area. In addition, people with CIPA heal slowly from skin and bone injuries. Repeated trauma can lead to chronic bone infections (osteomyelitis) or a condition called Charcot joints, in which the bones and tissue surrounding joints are destroyed.

This proves my argument here because Christians would all say that people with CIPA have soles yet as they are unable to experience pain in this life Yawheh would have to create new physical bodies for them solely for them to experience pain and suffering in hell causing the gnashing of teeth Jesus describes.

This argument displays the ignorance of the authors of the books of the bible as well as demonstrating that the bible is incompatible with reality.

The current Christians particularly the moderate one tend to reject the concept of hell as the torment place. They think hell is merely a grave where the dead people will be ceased eternally there.

They bend scripture to come to such a view. The bible makes it clear that hell is a real place of eternal torment.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

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11/14/2016 8:09:21 PM
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At 11/13/2016 11:32:02 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 9:57:16 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 9:41:21 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 7:48:20 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 4:31:19 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
It seems Chloe has now admitted to having a soul. Her soul becomes her personality. A personality experiences emotions. Emotions can certainly experience emotional pain, and emotional pleasure. Some days she is happy. Other days she is sad. How sad becomes the day the soul gets thrown into the fervent torment of desires to become soulless.

I don't have a soul. I'm just pointing out if they existed they could not feel the pain in hell that causes gnashing of teeth.

If you don't have a soul, then what cause our brains that all look the same to have separate identities? A brain is simply an organic computer. It's hardware. The soul is the software that allows you to become unique. If you did not have a soul, you would not be able to speak with emotion.

Animals have emotions yet Christians don't claim they have a soul. Animals have different identities and personalities and Christians don't claim they have soles.

Animals have souls. Animals definitely have souls. I had a conversation with a dog not too long ago. A bit of a misunderstanding it seems. It was my bad to be honest. I was over at this dogs house kickin it like its mine, b'cause it was filthy. It's the cats. Cats can make a real mess inside their litter boxes when all things get considered. So I considered giving the tidied mess a sweep, b'cause cats are cool like that. They're actually pretty considered like that when you get to thinking about it. But that's the problem. I got to thinking about things. I took the litter box outside with the intention of cleaning it, but then I got distracted and maybe a few days go by. It happens. So the litter box never got put back in the house. Well the cats still has to do what cats do. Doo doo on the floor, no doubt. I'm dropping four to the floor giving it a proper mop. At least I tried to. You can't really mop shizz cuz that shizz is not spreading like a porn film in a room. The dog starts barking redrum. Dogs pissed. It's like I'm pissing in his house and that was my bad. So I apologized. We cool about it. He got over it. I'm just glad he brought it to my attention.

You have no biblical evidence supporting your view. You have simply made it up yourself.
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Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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11/14/2016 8:14:00 PM
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At 11/14/2016 7:46:03 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/14/2016 2:12:03 PM, Escobar wrote:
At 11/13/2016 3:23:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Do you believe hell is a literal physical place of eternal torment like Jesus did?

Matthew 13:47-50

"Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

If not please explain why Jesus was wrong about hell being a literal place where people suffer pain causing weeping and gnashing of teeth?

Or do you think he was just lying to scare people?

If like me you think the bible clearly implies that hell is a literal place of eternal torment do you accept that Yawheh would have to create new bodies for us in order to experience all of the pain of hell?

When the unenlightened authors of biblical scripture wrote about hell they didn't know it was impossible for a soul without a physical body to experience pain.

Now we know this to be untrue and that pain can only be felt by the physical structure of a nervous system. The best proof that the soul cannot feel pain is people afflicted with a condition called congential insensitivity to pain with anhydrosis (CIPA):

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov...

Congenital insensitivity to pain with anhidrosis (CIPA) has two characteristic features: the inability to feel pain and temperature, and decreased or absent sweating (anhidrosis). This condition is also known as hereditary sensory and autonomic neuropathy type IV. The signs and symptoms of CIPA appear early, usually at birth or during infancy, but with careful medical attention, affected individuals can live into adulthood.

An inability to feel pain and temperature often leads to repeated severe injuries. Unintentional self-injury is common in people with CIPA, typically by biting the tongue, lips, or fingers, which may lead to spontaneous amputation of the affected area. In addition, people with CIPA heal slowly from skin and bone injuries. Repeated trauma can lead to chronic bone infections (osteomyelitis) or a condition called Charcot joints, in which the bones and tissue surrounding joints are destroyed.

This proves my argument here because Christians would all say that people with CIPA have soles yet as they are unable to experience pain in this life Yawheh would have to create new physical bodies for them solely for them to experience pain and suffering in hell causing the gnashing of teeth Jesus describes.

This argument displays the ignorance of the authors of the books of the bible as well as demonstrating that the bible is incompatible with reality. : :

If Jesus would have written the New Testament, no man could have understood it.

Why? Was Jesus incapable of explaining things? Strange that the son of a god who is also part god and a messiah would lack the ability to write down what needed to be written. : :

I Corinthians 2:
7: But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glorification.
8: None of the rulers of this age understood this; for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Jeremiah 15:
15: Behold, I am bringing upon you a nation from afar, O house of Israel, says the LORD. It is an enduring nation, it is an ancient nation, a nation whose language you do not know, nor can you understand what they say.

Romans 11:
3: "Lord, they have killed thy prophets, they have demolished thy altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life."
4: But what is God's reply to him? "I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Ba'al."
5: So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.
6: But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
7: What then? Israel failed to obtain what it sought. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened,
8: as it is written, "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that should not see and ears that should not hear, down to this very day."
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11/14/2016 8:41:16 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/13/2016 3:23:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Do you believe hell is a literal physical place of eternal torment like Jesus did?

I believe what Jesus said. And he said also:

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. "
Matt. 10:28-31
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11/14/2016 8:45:48 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/14/2016 8:41:16 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 3:23:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
Do you believe hell is a literal physical place of eternal torment like Jesus did?

I believe what Jesus said. And he said also:

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. "
Matt. 10:28-31 : :

That last line was added by the antichrists who wrote the books of the New Testament after stealing some words from the Gospel that God's first witness of saints preached for Him.
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11/14/2016 9:07:46 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/14/2016 8:09:21 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 11:32:02 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 9:57:16 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 9:41:21 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 7:48:20 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 4:31:19 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
It seems Chloe has now admitted to having a soul. Her soul becomes her personality. A personality experiences emotions. Emotions can certainly experience emotional pain, and emotional pleasure. Some days she is happy. Other days she is sad. How sad becomes the day the soul gets thrown into the fervent torment of desires to become soulless.

I don't have a soul. I'm just pointing out if they existed they could not feel the pain in hell that causes gnashing of teeth.

If you don't have a soul, then what cause our brains that all look the same to have separate identities? A brain is simply an organic computer. It's hardware. The soul is the software that allows you to become unique. If you did not have a soul, you would not be able to speak with emotion.

Animals have emotions yet Christians don't claim they have a soul. Animals have different identities and personalities and Christians don't claim they have soles.

Animals have souls. Animals definitely have souls. I had a conversation with a dog not too long ago. A bit of a misunderstanding it seems. It was my bad to be honest. I was over at this dogs house kickin it like its mine, b'cause it was filthy. It's the cats. Cats can make a real mess inside their litter boxes when all things get considered. So I considered giving the tidied mess a sweep, b'cause cats are cool like that. They're actually pretty considered like that when you get to thinking about it. But that's the problem. I got to thinking about things. I took the litter box outside with the intention of cleaning it, but then I got distracted and maybe a few days go by. It happens. So the litter box never got put back in the house. Well the cats still has to do what cats do. Doo doo on the floor, no doubt. I'm dropping four to the floor giving it a proper mop. At least I tried to. You can't really mop shizz cuz that shizz is not spreading like a porn film in a room. The dog starts barking redrum. Dogs pissed. It's like I'm pissing in his house and that was my bad. So I apologized. We cool about it. He got over it. I'm just glad he brought it to my attention.

You have no biblical evidence supporting your view. You have simply made it up yourself.

I can give you Biblical evidence. That is too easy. I will do this for you. Then I will share with you something better. I will share a personal experience that will support the very essence of what is so intricate to the biblical passage of Hebrews 4:12

" For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

I would know exactly how that feels. It feels paralyzingly scary. I was scared. I can admit that. I had no idea what was about to happen other than a summons to the palace was beyond my control to say no. So there I was mingling about the crowed, moving through the crowed standing in the marbled foyer. Everybody was chatting amongst themselves, but something of an instinct told me to keep moving on. Onwards I pressed through the list of invited guests, only to find out I was the guest of honor. It didn't feel like much of an honor at the time. In fact it felt the opposite. When I saw him, I instantly knew this was his place. I even said that. I said, this is your place. It was the only thing I said to him before he gazed deep into my soul. He said, yessssssss. Then he put my into a telepathic strangulation to the likes I've never encountered before. He didn't bring me there for a conversation. He brought me there to read my soul to see if I'd be worthy of receiving something.
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11/14/2016 9:14:08 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/14/2016 9:07:46 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/14/2016 8:09:21 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 11:32:02 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 9:57:16 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 9:41:21 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 7:48:20 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 4:31:19 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
It seems Chloe has now admitted to having a soul. Her soul becomes her personality. A personality experiences emotions. Emotions can certainly experience emotional pain, and emotional pleasure. Some days she is happy. Other days she is sad. How sad becomes the day the soul gets thrown into the fervent torment of desires to become soulless.

I don't have a soul. I'm just pointing out if they existed they could not feel the pain in hell that causes gnashing of teeth.

If you don't have a soul, then what cause our brains that all look the same to have separate identities? A brain is simply an organic computer. It's hardware. The soul is the software that allows you to become unique. If you did not have a soul, you would not be able to speak with emotion.

Animals have emotions yet Christians don't claim they have a soul. Animals have different identities and personalities and Christians don't claim they have soles.

Animals have souls. Animals definitely have souls. I had a conversation with a dog not too long ago. A bit of a misunderstanding it seems. It was my bad to be honest. I was over at this dogs house kickin it like its mine, b'cause it was filthy. It's the cats. Cats can make a real mess inside their litter boxes when all things get considered. So I considered giving the tidied mess a sweep, b'cause cats are cool like that. They're actually pretty considered like that when you get to thinking about it. But that's the problem. I got to thinking about things. I took the litter box outside with the intention of cleaning it, but then I got distracted and maybe a few days go by. It happens. So the litter box never got put back in the house. Well the cats still has to do what cats do. Doo doo on the floor, no doubt. I'm dropping four to the floor giving it a proper mop. At least I tried to. You can't really mop shizz cuz that shizz is not spreading like a porn film in a room. The dog starts barking redrum. Dogs pissed. It's like I'm pissing in his house and that was my bad. So I apologized. We cool about it. He got over it. I'm just glad he brought it to my attention.

You have no biblical evidence supporting your view. You have simply made it up yourself.

I can give you Biblical evidence. That is too easy. I will do this for you. Then I will share with you something better. I will share a personal experience that will support the very essence of what is so intricate to the biblical passage of Hebrews 4:12

" For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

I would know exactly how that feels. It feels paralyzingly scary. I was scared. I can admit that. I had no idea what was about to happen other than a summons to the palace was beyond my control to say no. So there I was mingling about the crowed, moving through the crowed standing in the marbled foyer. Everybody was chatting amongst themselves, but something of an instinct told me to keep moving on. Onwards I pressed through the list of invited guests, only to find out I was the guest of honor. It didn't feel like much of an honor at the time. In fact it felt the opposite. When I saw him, I instantly knew this was his place. I even said that. I said, this is your place. It was the only thing I said to him before he gazed deep into my soul. He said, yessssssss. Then he put my into a telepathic strangulation to the likes I've never encountered before. He didn't bring me there for a conversation. He brought me there to read my soul to see if I'd be worthy of receiving something. : :

Whenever you read "word of God" or "word of the Lord" in the Bible. It's referring to the voice of God that all us saints and prophets hear spoken into our minds. It is not referring to the scriptures.

Whenever you see the word "scriptures" it is referring to the ORIGINAL writings of God's prophets. The writings by God's saints were personal writings that contain stories about the Beast, the future, and all sorts of symbolic messages, etc. that no man could ever understand.

The New Testament was written by religious antichrists who rejected the Gospel of God the saints were preaching but they could see how interested God's chosen believers were when they listened to it so they started stealing some words from the Gospel and mixed it with their Judaism traditions and pagan doctrines.

Eventually, the religious antichrists had written all the books of the New Testament that sounds Christ-like but it doesn't contain any knowledge about the Beast which is very important knowledge to understand how the future will be and how we're created.
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11/14/2016 10:07:20 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/14/2016 9:14:08 PM, Escobar wrote:
At 11/14/2016 9:07:46 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/14/2016 8:09:21 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 11:32:02 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 9:57:16 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 9:41:21 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 7:48:20 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 4:31:19 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
It seems Chloe has now admitted to having a soul. Her soul becomes her personality. A personality experiences emotions. Emotions can certainly experience emotional pain, and emotional pleasure. Some days she is happy. Other days she is sad. How sad becomes the day the soul gets thrown into the fervent torment of desires to become soulless.

I don't have a soul. I'm just pointing out if they existed they could not feel the pain in hell that causes gnashing of teeth.

If you don't have a soul, then what cause our brains that all look the same to have separate identities? A brain is simply an organic computer. It's hardware. The soul is the software that allows you to become unique. If you did not have a soul, you would not be able to speak with emotion.

Animals have emotions yet Christians don't claim they have a soul. Animals have different identities and personalities and Christians don't claim they have soles.

Animals have souls. Animals definitely have souls. I had a conversation with a dog not too long ago. A bit of a misunderstanding it seems. It was my bad to be honest. I was over at this dogs house kickin it like its mine, b'cause it was filthy. It's the cats. Cats can make a real mess inside their litter boxes when all things get considered. So I considered giving the tidied mess a sweep, b'cause cats are cool like that. They're actually pretty considered like that when you get to thinking about it. But that's the problem. I got to thinking about things. I took the litter box outside with the intention of cleaning it, but then I got distracted and maybe a few days go by. It happens. So the litter box never got put back in the house. Well the cats still has to do what cats do. Doo doo on the floor, no doubt. I'm dropping four to the floor giving it a proper mop. At least I tried to. You can't really mop shizz cuz that shizz is not spreading like a porn film in a room. The dog starts barking redrum. Dogs pissed. It's like I'm pissing in his house and that was my bad. So I apologized. We cool about it. He got over it. I'm just glad he brought it to my attention.

You have no biblical evidence supporting your view. You have simply made it up yourself.

I can give you Biblical evidence. That is too easy. I will do this for you. Then I will share with you something better. I will share a personal experience that will support the very essence of what is so intricate to the biblical passage of Hebrews 4:12

" For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

I would know exactly how that feels. It feels paralyzingly scary. I was scared. I can admit that. I had no idea what was about to happen other than a summons to the palace was beyond my control to say no. So there I was mingling about the crowed, moving through the crowed standing in the marbled foyer. Everybody was chatting amongst themselves, but something of an instinct told me to keep moving on. Onwards I pressed through the list of invited guests, only to find out I was the guest of honor. It didn't feel like much of an honor at the time. In fact it felt the opposite. When I saw him, I instantly knew this was his place. I even said that. I said, this is your place. It was the only thing I said to him before he gazed deep into my soul. He said, yessssssss. Then he put my into a telepathic strangulation to the likes I've never encountered before. He didn't bring me there for a conversation. He brought me there to read my soul to see if I'd be worthy of receiving something. : :

Whenever you read "word of God" or "word of the Lord" in the Bible. It's referring to the voice of God that all us saints and prophets hear spoken into our minds. It is not referring to the scriptures.

Whenever you see the word "scriptures" it is referring to the ORIGINAL writings of God's prophets. The writings by God's saints were personal writings that contain stories about the Beast, the future, and all sorts of symbolic messages, etc. that no man could ever understand.

The New Testament was written by religious antichrists who rejected the Gospel of God the saints were preaching but they could see how interested God's chosen believers were when they listened to it so they started stealing some words from the Gospel and mixed it with their Judaism traditions and pagan doctrines.

Eventually, the religious antichrists had written all the books of the New Testament that sounds Christ-like but it doesn't contain any knowledge about the Beast which is very important knowledge to understand how the future will be and how we're created.

What satanic covenant did you crawl out of to hear such a silly story? Why are all of you silly Satanists so easily confused?
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11/14/2016 10:15:51 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/14/2016 10:07:20 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/14/2016 9:14:08 PM, Escobar wrote:
At 11/14/2016 9:07:46 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/14/2016 8:09:21 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 11:32:02 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 9:57:16 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 9:41:21 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/13/2016 7:48:20 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 4:31:19 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
It seems Chloe has now admitted to having a soul. Her soul becomes her personality. A personality experiences emotions. Emotions can certainly experience emotional pain, and emotional pleasure. Some days she is happy. Other days she is sad. How sad becomes the day the soul gets thrown into the fervent torment of desires to become soulless.

I don't have a soul. I'm just pointing out if they existed they could not feel the pain in hell that causes gnashing of teeth.

If you don't have a soul, then what cause our brains that all look the same to have separate identities? A brain is simply an organic computer. It's hardware. The soul is the software that allows you to become unique. If you did not have a soul, you would not be able to speak with emotion.

Animals have emotions yet Christians don't claim they have a soul. Animals have different identities and personalities and Christians don't claim they have soles.

Animals have souls. Animals definitely have souls. I had a conversation with a dog not too long ago. A bit of a misunderstanding it seems. It was my bad to be honest. I was over at this dogs house kickin it like its mine, b'cause it was filthy. It's the cats. Cats can make a real mess inside their litter boxes when all things get considered. So I considered giving the tidied mess a sweep, b'cause cats are cool like that. They're actually pretty considered like that when you get to thinking about it. But that's the problem. I got to thinking about things. I took the litter box outside with the intention of cleaning it, but then I got distracted and maybe a few days go by. It happens. So the litter box never got put back in the house. Well the cats still has to do what cats do. Doo doo on the floor, no doubt. I'm dropping four to the floor giving it a proper mop. At least I tried to. You can't really mop shizz cuz that shizz is not spreading like a porn film in a room. The dog starts barking redrum. Dogs pissed. It's like I'm pissing in his house and that was my bad. So I apologized. We cool about it. He got over it. I'm just glad he brought it to my attention.

You have no biblical evidence supporting your view. You have simply made it up yourself.

I can give you Biblical evidence. That is too easy. I will do this for you. Then I will share with you something better. I will share a personal experience that will support the very essence of what is so intricate to the biblical passage of Hebrews 4:12

" For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

I would know exactly how that feels. It feels paralyzingly scary. I was scared. I can admit that. I had no idea what was about to happen other than a summons to the palace was beyond my control to say no. So there I was mingling about the crowed, moving through the crowed standing in the marbled foyer. Everybody was chatting amongst themselves, but something of an instinct told me to keep moving on. Onwards I pressed through the list of invited guests, only to find out I was the guest of honor. It didn't feel like much of an honor at the time. In fact it felt the opposite. When I saw him, I instantly knew this was his place. I even said that. I said, this is your place. It was the only thing I said to him before he gazed deep into my soul. He said, yessssssss. Then he put my into a telepathic strangulation to the likes I've never encountered before. He didn't bring me there for a conversation. He brought me there to read my soul to see if I'd be worthy of receiving something. : :

Whenever you read "word of God" or "word of the Lord" in the Bible. It's referring to the voice of God that all us saints and prophets hear spoken into our minds. It is not referring to the scriptures.

Whenever you see the word "scriptures" it is referring to the ORIGINAL writings of God's prophets. The writings by God's saints were personal writings that contain stories about the Beast, the future, and all sorts of symbolic messages, etc. that no man could ever understand.

The New Testament was written by religious antichrists who rejected the Gospel of God the saints were preaching but they could see how interested God's chosen believers were when they listened to it so they started stealing some words from the Gospel and mixed it with their Judaism traditions and pagan doctrines.

Eventually, the religious antichrists had written all the books of the New Testament that sounds Christ-like but it doesn't contain any knowledge about the Beast which is very important knowledge to understand how the future will be and how we're created.

What satanic covenant did you crawl out of to hear such a silly story? Why are all of you silly Satanists so easily confused? : :

I am not a Satanist you fool. I understand the various thoughts of God that He used to build a simulation program with. He used thoughts called Satan and the Beast and Christ. These are symbolic names only.

You're not listening very well so I'm wasting my time with you. I have other people waiting for me in youtube.com.