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Bennett91
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11/20/2016 6:08:35 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
It seems God has a habit of resetting the playing field when it comes to humanity and its failures.

God created Adam and Eve, perfect and ready to fulfill God's plan. They ate the apple and where kicked out.

Fast forward, the children of Adam and Eve are great sinners prompting God to enact the Flood wiping out all sin sparing the righteous family of Noah.

Eventually under Moses the Jews find the correct path and establish themselves. Only later to be shown false by the coming of Jesus.

I won't even bother bringing up the supposed final prophet Muhammad.

Today Sin is rampant, it seems neither the flood nor the sacrifice of Jesus cleansed away our sins. It seems as long as humanity persists so will sin.

As we know the end of the Bible is Revelations, the final war of good and evil.

So tell me, given this time line what is the point of humanity in God's eyes given its fate?
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11/20/2016 6:24:05 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/20/2016 6:08:35 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
It seems God has a habit of resetting the playing field when it comes to humanity and its failures.

God created Adam and Eve, perfect and ready to fulfill God's plan. They ate the apple and where kicked out.

Fast forward, the children of Adam and Eve are great sinners prompting God to enact the Flood wiping out all sin sparing the righteous family of Noah.

Eventually under Moses the Jews find the correct path and establish themselves. Only later to be shown false by the coming of Jesus.

I won't even bother bringing up the supposed final prophet Muhammad.

Today Sin is rampant, it seems neither the flood nor the sacrifice of Jesus cleansed away our sins. It seems as long as humanity persists so will sin.

As we know the end of the Bible is Revelations, the final war of good and evil.

So tell me, given this time line what is the point of humanity in God's eyes given its fate?

Nice question.
We're like a TV show for God.
A class experiment. Like SeaMonkeys , you can get a packet of Adam and Eve's , just water them every so often.
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11/20/2016 6:53:25 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/20/2016 6:08:35 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
It seems God has a habit of resetting the playing field when it comes to humanity and its failures.

Why would God need to hit the reset button or play field if God made a perfect universe to begin with?

God created Adam and Eve, perfect and ready to fulfill God's plan. They ate the apple and where kicked out.

How do we even know that's what really happened? I'm guessing that Eve didn't keep a diary. And of they were perfect why would God kick them to the curb? They wouldn't have messed up to start with had they been perfect. No serpent could have tricked a perfect person.

Fast forward, the children of Adam and Eve are great sinners prompting God to enact the Flood wiping out all sin sparing the righteous family of Noah.

How did perfect Adam and Eve make corrupt children? And how long after this happened was it actually recorded as history?

Eventually under Moses the Jews find the correct path and establish themselves. Only later to be shown false by the coming of Jesus.

I won't even bother bringing up the supposed final prophet Muhammad.

Why not?

Today Sin is rampant, it seems neither the flood nor the sacrifice of Jesus cleansed away our sins. It seems as long as humanity persists so will sin.

The execution of Jesus was very political. People still do terrible things even after his sacrifice. How could his death be connected to the "sins" of humanity other than the fact he was snuffed because he posed a threat to the establishment in power?

As we know the end of the Bible is Revelations, the final war of good and evil.

Fortune telling is slippery business. Untrustworthy.

So tell me, given this time line what is the point of humanity in God's eyes given its fate?

Given this timeline, there is no telling. There is no telling the future, period. Humanity will continue until it ends and no one knows when that will be.
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11/20/2016 7:13:59 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/20/2016 6:53:25 AM, Osmium wrote:


I can tell you're not a Christian. But the Peacocks eye, it haunts me. Who are you?
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11/20/2016 7:42:19 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/20/2016 7:13:59 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/20/2016 6:53:25 AM, Osmium wrote:


I can tell you're not a Christian. But the Peacocks eye, it haunts me. Who are you?

Who am I? Bold question. It took less time for that to come up than I thought it would.
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11/20/2016 8:00:42 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/20/2016 7:42:19 AM, Osmium wrote:
At 11/20/2016 7:13:59 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/20/2016 6:53:25 AM, Osmium wrote:


I can tell you're not a Christian. But the Peacocks eye, it haunts me. Who are you?

Who am I? Bold question. It took less time for that to come up than I thought it would.

Your profile is new and says nothing about you.
I started the thread as an older member quick with splendor toward arguments past
but nothing will alast.

The eye it haunts me
An idiot savant, it ought be
me
The thousand eye of truth it could be
should be
is you?
No.
It isn't.
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11/20/2016 8:05:18 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/20/2016 8:00:42 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/20/2016 7:42:19 AM, Osmium wrote:
At 11/20/2016 7:13:59 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/20/2016 6:53:25 AM, Osmium wrote:


I can tell you're not a Christian. But the Peacocks eye, it haunts me. Who are you?

Who am I? Bold question. It took less time for that to come up than I thought it would.

Your profile is new and says nothing about you.
I started the thread as an older member quick with splendor toward arguments past
but nothing will alast.

The eye it haunts me
An idiot savant, it ought be
me
The thousand eye of truth it could be
should be
is you?
No.
It isn't.

The chief end of man is to glorify God and enjoy him forever. - Shorter Catechism, Q1.

I know, I can't think of anything more tiresome or boring either.
Osmium
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11/20/2016 8:22:44 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/20/2016 8:00:42 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/20/2016 7:42:19 AM, Osmium wrote:
At 11/20/2016 7:13:59 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/20/2016 6:53:25 AM, Osmium wrote:


I can tell you're not a Christian. But the Peacocks eye, it haunts me. Who are you?

Who am I? Bold question. It took less time for that to come up than I thought it would.

Your profile is new and says nothing about you.
I started the thread as an older member quick with splendor toward arguments past
but nothing will alast.

The eye it haunts me
An idiot savant, it ought be
me
The thousand eye of truth it could be
should be
is you?
No.
It isn't.

Maybe I'll fill out my profile one day. There isn't a rule that I have to is there? I'm too honest. Past is past.

I'm not sure why they wouldn't comment. Perhaps you should start the thread with "only high IQ can answer this". That seems to be the theme these days. When did that happen?
Bennett91
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11/20/2016 8:45:21 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/20/2016 8:22:44 AM, Osmium wrote:
At 11/20/2016 8:00:42 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/20/2016 7:42:19 AM, Osmium wrote:
At 11/20/2016 7:13:59 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/20/2016 6:53:25 AM, Osmium wrote:


I can tell you're not a Christian. But the Peacocks eye, it haunts me. Who are you?

Who am I? Bold question. It took less time for that to come up than I thought it would.

Your profile is new and says nothing about you.
I started the thread as an older member quick with splendor toward arguments past
but nothing will alast.

The eye it haunts me
An idiot savant, it ought be
me
The thousand eye of truth it could be
should be
is you?
No.
It isn't.

Maybe I'll fill out my profile one day. There isn't a rule that I have to is there? I'm too honest. Past is past.

There's no rules, only time can reveal what there's to be filled. But being so new, you have room to make yourself noticeable.

I'm not sure why they wouldn't comment. Perhaps you should start the thread with "only high IQ can answer this". That seems to be the theme these days. When did that happen?

Ha. I can't say you're not funny. I hope the theme of my OP isn't in line with what you see as common.
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11/20/2016 8:56:37 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/20/2016 8:22:44 AM, Osmium wrote:
At 11/20/2016 8:00:42 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/20/2016 7:42:19 AM, Osmium wrote:
At 11/20/2016 7:13:59 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/20/2016 6:53:25 AM, Osmium wrote:


I can tell you're not a Christian. But the Peacocks eye, it haunts me. Who are you?

Who am I? Bold question. It took less time for that to come up than I thought it would.

Your profile is new and says nothing about you.
I started the thread as an older member quick with splendor toward arguments past
but nothing will alast.

The eye it haunts me
An idiot savant, it ought be
me
The thousand eye of truth it could be
should be
is you?
No.
It isn't.

Maybe I'll fill out my profile one day. There isn't a rule that I have to is there? I'm too honest. Past is past.

I'm not sure why they wouldn't comment. Perhaps you should start the thread with "only high IQ can answer this". That seems to be the theme these days. When did that happen?

Yes, I'm afraid you must (fill out your profile). There are people here who find it deeply offensive that you shouldn't put all your deepest, darkest secrets out there for all to know. In fact, they even started a thread about it, it's that important. Check out "My thoughts on members".
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11/20/2016 5:43:16 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/20/2016 8:56:37 AM, Skeptical1 wrote:
At 11/20/2016 8:22:44 AM, Osmium wrote:
At 11/20/2016 8:00:42 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/20/2016 7:42:19 AM, Osmium wrote:
At 11/20/2016 7:13:59 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/20/2016 6:53:25 AM, Osmium wrote:


I can tell you're not a Christian. But the Peacocks eye, it haunts me. Who are you?

Who am I? Bold question. It took less time for that to come up than I thought it would.

Your profile is new and says nothing about you.
I started the thread as an older member quick with splendor toward arguments past
but nothing will alast.

The eye it haunts me
An idiot savant, it ought be
me
The thousand eye of truth it could be
should be
is you?
No.
It isn't.

Maybe I'll fill out my profile one day. There isn't a rule that I have to is there? I'm too honest. Past is past.

I'm not sure why they wouldn't comment. Perhaps you should start the thread with "only high IQ can answer this". That seems to be the theme these days. When did that happen?

Yes, I'm afraid you must (fill out your profile). There are people here who find it deeply offensive that you shouldn't put all your deepest, darkest secrets out there for all to know. In fact, they even started a thread about it, it's that important. Check out "My thoughts on members".

Yes. I saw that thread. I'm not worried about what he thinks.
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11/20/2016 5:48:35 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/20/2016 8:45:21 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/20/2016 8:22:44 AM, Osmium wrote:
At 11/20/2016 8:00:42 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/20/2016 7:42:19 AM, Osmium wrote:
At 11/20/2016 7:13:59 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/20/2016 6:53:25 AM, Osmium wrote:


I can tell you're not a Christian. But the Peacocks eye, it haunts me. Who are you?

Who am I? Bold question. It took less time for that to come up than I thought it would.

Your profile is new and says nothing about you.
I started the thread as an older member quick with splendor toward arguments past
but nothing will alast.

The eye it haunts me
An idiot savant, it ought be
me
The thousand eye of truth it could be
should be
is you?
No.
It isn't.

Maybe I'll fill out my profile one day. There isn't a rule that I have to is there? I'm too honest. Past is past.

There's no rules, only time can reveal what there's to be filled. But being so new, you have room to make yourself noticeable.

I'm not sure why they wouldn't comment. Perhaps you should start the thread with "only high IQ can answer this". That seems to be the theme these days. When did that happen?

Ha. I can't say you're not funny. I hope the theme of my OP isn't in line with what you see as common.

No, not common at all and it's a legitimate question.
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11/20/2016 5:59:36 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/20/2016 6:08:35 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
It seems God has a habit of resetting the playing field when it comes to humanity and its failures.

God created Adam and Eve, perfect and ready to fulfill God's plan. They ate the apple and where kicked out.

Nowhere in Genesis or the Bible does it state that God created mankind as "perfect".

Fast forward, the children of Adam and Eve are great sinners prompting God to enact the Flood wiping out all sin sparing the righteous family of Noah.

Eventually under Moses the Jews find the correct path and establish themselves. Only later to be shown false by the coming of Jesus.

I won't even bother bringing up the supposed final prophet Muhammad.

Today Sin is rampant, it seems neither the flood nor the sacrifice of Jesus cleansed away our sins. It seems as long as humanity persists so will sin.


This is because the time has not yet arrived when God will judge mankind as even a cursory reading of scripture will attest (whether one believes it or not).

As we know the end of the Bible is Revelations, the final war of good and evil.

So tell me, given this time line what is the point of humanity in God's eyes given its fate?

For sentient beings with free will to live in peace and harmony and thus happiness and joyful existence. The Bible shows how despite God physically intervening even with miracles and other acts, mankind has habitually chosen his own path, his own ideas of what is good and bad, right and wrong.

So long as mankind makes up his own rules we will have what we see, misery and turmoil, decay, violence, brutality and death.

This is why God must rescue us, we must be rescued from ourselves, our way is doomed, had Adam and Eve listened to God back in Eden they could have received from the tree of life (eternal life) but they CHOSE not to, they had free will and refused to listen or consider God's directions just as the human race is doing today.
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11/20/2016 6:12:01 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/20/2016 5:59:36 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 11/20/2016 6:08:35 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
It seems God has a habit of resetting the playing field when it comes to humanity and its failures.

God created Adam and Eve, perfect and ready to fulfill God's plan. They ate the apple and where kicked out.

Nowhere in Genesis or the Bible does it state that God created mankind as "perfect".

Fast forward, the children of Adam and Eve are great sinners prompting God to enact the Flood wiping out all sin sparing the righteous family of Noah.

Eventually under Moses the Jews find the correct path and establish themselves. Only later to be shown false by the coming of Jesus.

I won't even bother bringing up the supposed final prophet Muhammad.

Today Sin is rampant, it seems neither the flood nor the sacrifice of Jesus cleansed away our sins. It seems as long as humanity persists so will sin.


This is because the time has not yet arrived when God will judge mankind as even a cursory reading of scripture will attest (whether one believes it or not).

As we know the end of the Bible is Revelations, the final war of good and evil.

So tell me, given this time line what is the point of humanity in God's eyes given its fate?

For sentient beings with free will to live in peace and harmony and thus happiness and joyful existence. The Bible shows how despite God physically intervening even with miracles and other acts, mankind has habitually chosen his own path, his own ideas of what is good and bad, right and wrong.

So long as mankind makes up his own rules we will have what we see, misery and turmoil, decay, violence, brutality and death.

This is why God must rescue us, we must be rescued from ourselves, our way is doomed, had Adam and Eve listened to God back in Eden they could have received from the tree of life (eternal life) but they CHOSE not to, they had free will and refused to listen or consider God's directions just as the human race is doing today.

I BLAME THE PARENTS!!! O wait, that's God.
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11/20/2016 6:13:49 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/20/2016 6:08:35 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
It seems God has a habit of resetting the playing field when it comes to humanity and its failures.

God created Adam and Eve, perfect and ready to fulfill God's plan. They ate the apple and where kicked out.

Fast forward, the children of Adam and Eve are great sinners prompting God to enact the Flood wiping out all sin sparing the righteous family of Noah.

Eventually under Moses the Jews find the correct path and establish themselves. Only later to be shown false by the coming of Jesus.

I won't even bother bringing up the supposed final prophet Muhammad.

Today Sin is rampant, it seems neither the flood nor the sacrifice of Jesus cleansed away our sins. It seems as long as humanity persists so will sin.

As we know the end of the Bible is Revelations, the final war of good and evil.

So tell me, given this time line what is the point of humanity in God's eyes given its fate?

Given man's relentless technological progress and the advent of artificial intelligence, we will in fact create a real God.

https://www.ted.com...
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11/20/2016 7:30:16 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/20/2016 6:13:49 PM, missmedic wrote:
At 11/20/2016 6:08:35 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
It seems God has a habit of resetting the playing field when it comes to humanity and its failures.

God created Adam and Eve, perfect and ready to fulfill God's plan. They ate the apple and where kicked out.

Fast forward, the children of Adam and Eve are great sinners prompting God to enact the Flood wiping out all sin sparing the righteous family of Noah.

Eventually under Moses the Jews find the correct path and establish themselves. Only later to be shown false by the coming of Jesus.

I won't even bother bringing up the supposed final prophet Muhammad.

Today Sin is rampant, it seems neither the flood nor the sacrifice of Jesus cleansed away our sins. It seems as long as humanity persists so will sin.

As we know the end of the Bible is Revelations, the final war of good and evil.

So tell me, given this time line what is the point of humanity in God's eyes given its fate?

Given man's relentless technological progress and the advent of artificial intelligence, we will in fact create a real God.

A monkey could be considered a god, if that monkey were standing next to you. And I would be the God of that monkey. God creating gods, the gods creating me, me creating the monkey, and the monkey feeds you bananas. The banana could probably be the god of you since both are literally indistinguishable. But we'll have to draw the line somewhere to find yourself a place within this world that you believe could never have been created by another world.

https://www.ted.com...
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11/20/2016 8:08:57 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/20/2016 6:08:35 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
So tell me, given this time line what is the point of humanity in God's eyes given its fate?

By what the Bible tells, the point of this life seems to be that we have chance to learn what good and evil really means. And then those, who love more good than evil and become righteous, have chance to get eternal life as a gift.
Bennett91
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11/23/2016 7:54:42 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/20/2016 5:59:36 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 11/20/2016 6:08:35 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
It seems God has a habit of resetting the playing field when it comes to humanity and its failures.

God created Adam and Eve, perfect and ready to fulfill God's plan. They ate the apple and where kicked out.

Nowhere in Genesis or the Bible does it state that God created mankind as "perfect".

Made in his own image.

Fast forward, the children of Adam and Eve are great sinners prompting God to enact the Flood wiping out all sin sparing the righteous family of Noah.

Eventually under Moses the Jews find the correct path and establish themselves. Only later to be shown false by the coming of Jesus.

I won't even bother bringing up the supposed final prophet Muhammad.

Today Sin is rampant, it seems neither the flood nor the sacrifice of Jesus cleansed away our sins. It seems as long as humanity persists so will sin.


This is because the time has not yet arrived when God will judge mankind as even a cursory reading of scripture will attest (whether one believes it or not).

As we know the end of the Bible is Revelations, the final war of good and evil.

So tell me, given this time line what is the point of humanity in God's eyes given its fate?

For sentient beings with free will to live in peace and harmony and thus happiness and joyful existence. The Bible shows how despite God physically intervening even with miracles and other acts, mankind has habitually chosen his own path, his own ideas of what is good and bad, right and wrong.

Habitually, almost as if designed.

So long as mankind makes up his own rules we will have what we see, misery and turmoil, decay, violence, brutality and death.

Pretty sure religion has had it's fair share of death. Oh I know I know not really Christians etc etc.

This is why God must rescue us, we must be rescued from ourselves, our way is doomed, had Adam and Eve listened to God back in Eden they could have received from the tree of life (eternal life) but they CHOSE not to, they had free will and refused to listen or consider God's directions just as the human race is doing today.

So God created us to save us. That doesn't really make sense. Had Adam and Eve listened to God then they wouldn't need saving. Again it's as if God created us knowing that we'd stray - knowing Adam and Eve would disobey. And God created these disobedient creatures.

Also, being told to be fruitful and multiple when you're immortal doesn't really make sense because you'll have an immortal population exponentially expanding. What would be the point of that?
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11/23/2016 8:50:12 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/20/2016 6:08:35 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
It seems God has a habit of resetting the playing field when it comes to humanity and its failures.

God created Adam and Eve, perfect and ready to fulfill God's plan. They ate the apple and where kicked out.

Fast forward, the children of Adam and Eve are great sinners prompting God to enact the Flood wiping out all sin sparing the righteous family of Noah.

Eventually under Moses the Jews find the correct path and establish themselves. Only later to be shown false by the coming of Jesus.

I won't even bother bringing up the supposed final prophet Muhammad.

Today Sin is rampant, it seems neither the flood nor the sacrifice of Jesus cleansed away our sins. It seems as long as humanity persists so will sin.

As we know the end of the Bible is Revelations, the final war of good and evil.

So tell me, given this time line what is the point of humanity in God's eyes given its fate?

God's ultimate goal has never changed, he wants people to chose to be with him...
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11/23/2016 8:55:36 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/23/2016 8:50:12 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/20/2016 6:08:35 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
It seems God has a habit of resetting the playing field when it comes to humanity and its failures.

God created Adam and Eve, perfect and ready to fulfill God's plan. They ate the apple and where kicked out.

Fast forward, the children of Adam and Eve are great sinners prompting God to enact the Flood wiping out all sin sparing the righteous family of Noah.

Eventually under Moses the Jews find the correct path and establish themselves. Only later to be shown false by the coming of Jesus.

I won't even bother bringing up the supposed final prophet Muhammad.

Today Sin is rampant, it seems neither the flood nor the sacrifice of Jesus cleansed away our sins. It seems as long as humanity persists so will sin.

As we know the end of the Bible is Revelations, the final war of good and evil.

So tell me, given this time line what is the point of humanity in God's eyes given its fate?

God's ultimate goal has never changed, he wants people to chose to be with him...

Despite the obvious contradiction that he knowingly designed us to reject him - why does he want us to be with him? Why separate humanity in the first place?
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11/23/2016 5:12:22 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/23/2016 8:55:36 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/23/2016 8:50:12 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/20/2016 6:08:35 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
It seems God has a habit of resetting the playing field when it comes to humanity and its failures.

God created Adam and Eve, perfect and ready to fulfill God's plan. They ate the apple and where kicked out.

Fast forward, the children of Adam and Eve are great sinners prompting God to enact the Flood wiping out all sin sparing the righteous family of Noah.

Eventually under Moses the Jews find the correct path and establish themselves. Only later to be shown false by the coming of Jesus.

I won't even bother bringing up the supposed final prophet Muhammad.

Today Sin is rampant, it seems neither the flood nor the sacrifice of Jesus cleansed away our sins. It seems as long as humanity persists so will sin.

As we know the end of the Bible is Revelations, the final war of good and evil.

So tell me, given this time line what is the point of humanity in God's eyes given its fate?

God's ultimate goal has never changed, he wants people to chose to be with him...

Despite the obvious contradiction that he knowingly designed us to reject him - why does he want us to be with him? Why separate humanity in the first place?

he did not make us to reject him he made us with a choice...
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11/23/2016 11:37:51 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/23/2016 5:12:22 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/23/2016 8:55:36 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/23/2016 8:50:12 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/20/2016 6:08:35 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
It seems God has a habit of resetting the playing field when it comes to humanity and its failures.

God created Adam and Eve, perfect and ready to fulfill God's plan. They ate the apple and where kicked out.

Fast forward, the children of Adam and Eve are great sinners prompting God to enact the Flood wiping out all sin sparing the righteous family of Noah.

Eventually under Moses the Jews find the correct path and establish themselves. Only later to be shown false by the coming of Jesus.

I won't even bother bringing up the supposed final prophet Muhammad.

Today Sin is rampant, it seems neither the flood nor the sacrifice of Jesus cleansed away our sins. It seems as long as humanity persists so will sin.

As we know the end of the Bible is Revelations, the final war of good and evil.

So tell me, given this time line what is the point of humanity in God's eyes given its fate?

God's ultimate goal has never changed, he wants people to chose to be with him...

Despite the obvious contradiction that he knowingly designed us to reject him - why does he want us to be with him? Why separate humanity in the first place?

he did not make us to reject him he made us with a choice...

If a watchmaker makes a watch and it tells time - does that mean the watch was designed to tell time?
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11/25/2016 4:59:26 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/23/2016 11:37:51 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/23/2016 5:12:22 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/23/2016 8:55:36 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/23/2016 8:50:12 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/20/2016 6:08:35 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
It seems God has a habit of resetting the playing field when it comes to humanity and its failures.

God created Adam and Eve, perfect and ready to fulfill God's plan. They ate the apple and where kicked out.

Fast forward, the children of Adam and Eve are great sinners prompting God to enact the Flood wiping out all sin sparing the righteous family of Noah.

Eventually under Moses the Jews find the correct path and establish themselves. Only later to be shown false by the coming of Jesus.

I won't even bother bringing up the supposed final prophet Muhammad.

Today Sin is rampant, it seems neither the flood nor the sacrifice of Jesus cleansed away our sins. It seems as long as humanity persists so will sin.

As we know the end of the Bible is Revelations, the final war of good and evil.

So tell me, given this time line what is the point of humanity in God's eyes given its fate?

God's ultimate goal has never changed, he wants people to chose to be with him...

Despite the obvious contradiction that he knowingly designed us to reject him - why does he want us to be with him? Why separate humanity in the first place?

he did not make us to reject him he made us with a choice...

If a watchmaker makes a watch and it tells time - does that mean the watch was designed to tell time?

lol the watch is not sentient, it is merely a tool designed for a single purpose, clearly humans are not...
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11/25/2016 8:18:43 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/20/2016 6:08:35 AM, Bennett91 wrote:

So tell me, given this time line what is the point of humanity in God's eyes given its fate?

This is a different question that the title so I will answer both.

Point of humans: To know, love, and serve God in this world and the next.

Fate of humans: Death, Judgement, Heaven or Hell.
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11/25/2016 11:15:46 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/25/2016 8:18:43 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 11/20/2016 6:08:35 AM, Bennett91 wrote:

So tell me, given this time line what is the point of humanity in God's eyes given its fate?

This is a different question that the title so I will answer both.

Point of humans: To know, love, and serve God in this world and the next.

Fate of humans: Death, Judgement, Heaven or Hell.

Point of humans: pass.
That's a good question hey ?

Fate of humans : I'm not sure.
Wow 2 great questions .
If I believed in God I could probably answer both .
BUT I don't believe . And these two questions are annoying me .
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11/25/2016 11:59:03 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/25/2016 11:15:46 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 11/25/2016 8:18:43 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 11/20/2016 6:08:35 AM, Bennett91 wrote:

So tell me, given this time line what is the point of humanity in God's eyes given its fate?

This is a different question that the title so I will answer both.

Point of humans: To know, love, and serve God in this world and the next.

Fate of humans: Death, Judgement, Heaven or Hell.

Point of humans: pass.
That's a good question hey ?

Fate of humans : I'm not sure.
Wow 2 great questions .
If I believed in God I could probably answer both .
BUT I don't believe . And these two questions are annoying me .

If there is no God there is no point and the fate is nothingness.
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11/26/2016 1:26:47 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/25/2016 4:59:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/23/2016 11:37:51 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/23/2016 5:12:22 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/23/2016 8:55:36 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/23/2016 8:50:12 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/20/2016 6:08:35 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
It seems God has a habit of resetting the playing field when it comes to humanity and its failures.

God created Adam and Eve, perfect and ready to fulfill God's plan. They ate the apple and where kicked out.

Fast forward, the children of Adam and Eve are great sinners prompting God to enact the Flood wiping out all sin sparing the righteous family of Noah.

Eventually under Moses the Jews find the correct path and establish themselves. Only later to be shown false by the coming of Jesus.

I won't even bother bringing up the supposed final prophet Muhammad.

Today Sin is rampant, it seems neither the flood nor the sacrifice of Jesus cleansed away our sins. It seems as long as humanity persists so will sin.

As we know the end of the Bible is Revelations, the final war of good and evil.

So tell me, given this time line what is the point of humanity in God's eyes given its fate?

God's ultimate goal has never changed, he wants people to chose to be with him...

Despite the obvious contradiction that he knowingly designed us to reject him - why does he want us to be with him? Why separate humanity in the first place?

he did not make us to reject him he made us with a choice...

If a watchmaker makes a watch and it tells time - does that mean the watch was designed to tell time?

lol the watch is not sentient, it is merely a tool designed for a single purpose, clearly humans are not...

What makes that so clear? What is the purpose of humanity?

You said it was "He wants people to chose to be with him..."

That seems like a singular purpose. But he designed us, yet many seem to reject him, roughly 5.5 billion people have chosen a different path. If he wants us to choose him that seems like a real design flaw.
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11/26/2016 1:27:58 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/25/2016 8:18:43 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 11/20/2016 6:08:35 AM, Bennett91 wrote:

So tell me, given this time line what is the point of humanity in God's eyes given its fate?

This is a different question that the title so I will answer both.

Point of humans: To know, love, and serve God in this world and the next.

Fate of humans: Death, Judgement, Heaven or Hell.

What is the overall point of this exercise of humanity? Does God need servants?
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11/26/2016 4:50:52 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/26/2016 1:26:47 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/25/2016 4:59:26 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/23/2016 11:37:51 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/23/2016 5:12:22 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/23/2016 8:55:36 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/23/2016 8:50:12 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/20/2016 6:08:35 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
It seems God has a habit of resetting the playing field when it comes to humanity and its failures.

God created Adam and Eve, perfect and ready to fulfill God's plan. They ate the apple and where kicked out.

Fast forward, the children of Adam and Eve are great sinners prompting God to enact the Flood wiping out all sin sparing the righteous family of Noah.

Eventually under Moses the Jews find the correct path and establish themselves. Only later to be shown false by the coming of Jesus.

I won't even bother bringing up the supposed final prophet Muhammad.

Today Sin is rampant, it seems neither the flood nor the sacrifice of Jesus cleansed away our sins. It seems as long as humanity persists so will sin.

As we know the end of the Bible is Revelations, the final war of good and evil.

So tell me, given this time line what is the point of humanity in God's eyes given its fate?

God's ultimate goal has never changed, he wants people to chose to be with him...

Despite the obvious contradiction that he knowingly designed us to reject him - why does he want us to be with him? Why separate humanity in the first place?

he did not make us to reject him he made us with a choice...

If a watchmaker makes a watch and it tells time - does that mean the watch was designed to tell time?

lol the watch is not sentient, it is merely a tool designed for a single purpose, clearly humans are not...

What makes that so clear? What is the purpose of humanity?

You said it was "He wants people to chose to be with him..."

That seems like a singular purpose. But he designed us, yet many seem to reject him, roughly 5.5 billion people have chosen a different path. If he wants us to choose him that seems like a real design flaw.

that is their choice but he never designed us to have to believe as I said it is always a choice...
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11/26/2016 6:48:28 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/26/2016 4:50:52 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/26/2016 1:26:47 AM, Bennett91 wrote:

That seems like a singular purpose. But he designed us, yet many seem to reject him, roughly 5.5 billion people have chosen a different path. If he wants us to choose him that seems like a real design flaw.

that is their choice but he never designed us to have to believe as I said it is always a choice...

So he designed us to choose knowing how we'd choose in advance - and he must occasionally wipe us out to start again because of how we choose - as designed.