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janesix
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11/22/2016 9:03:19 PM
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How do you explain the similar flood myths all around the world?

Was there literal cataclysmic floods all around the world when the ice age ended 12 or 13 thousand years ago?

Or do flood myths represent something allegorical?

Or did the flood myths spread somehow from group to group, to people all over the globe?
distraff
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11/22/2016 11:28:23 PM
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At 11/22/2016 9:03:19 PM, janesix wrote:
How do you explain the similar flood myths all around the world?

Was there literal cataclysmic floods all around the world when the ice age ended 12 or 13 thousand years ago?

Or do flood myths represent something allegorical?

Or did the flood myths spread somehow from group to group, to people all over the globe?

First off, floods were really common back then because most people lived by rivers or oceans so it is no surprise there are flood myths. Also these cultures developed after the ice age where ice was melting creating a lot of flooding.

We see the flood myths concentrated in the Middle East area which had massive flooding a while ago.
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11/22/2016 11:37:32 PM
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At 11/22/2016 9:03:19 PM, janesix wrote:
How do you explain the similar flood myths all around the world?

Was there literal cataclysmic floods all around the world when the ice age ended 12 or 13 thousand years ago?

Or do flood myths represent something allegorical?

Or did the flood myths spread somehow from group to group, to people all over the globe?

Doggerland was an area of land, now lying beneath the southern North Sea, that connected Great Britain to mainland Europe during and after the last Ice Age. It was then gradually flooded by rising sea levels around 6,500"6,200 BCE. Geological surveys have suggested that it stretched from Britain's east coast to the Netherlands and the western coasts of Germany and the peninsula of Jutland.[1] It was probably a rich habitat with human habitation in the Mesolithic period,[2] although rising sea levels gradually reduced it to low-lying islands before its final destruction, perhaps following a tsunami caused by the Storegga Slide.[3]
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11/23/2016 4:16:22 AM
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At 11/22/2016 9:03:19 PM, janesix wrote:
How do you explain the similar flood myths all around the world?
The top of mt. Everest has marine fossils.
Was there literal cataclysmic floods all around the world when the ice age ended 12 or 13 thousand years ago?
where did the water to create the ice age come from?
Or do flood myths represent something allegorical?
Assuming the theist scenarios Pangaea was the only land mass. All ground water spread onto the surface everywhere and then the rain. Without the ground water the movement of the Earths upper crust would have violently moved under the water as the ground water was no longer there which made the violent movement possible.
Or did the flood myths spread somehow from group to group, to people all over the globe?
Well assuming Noahs family were at the core of keeping the flood story known through oral tradition, then it follows that groups also kept it alive. Btw, Noahs flood doesn't imply or say "all" land animals went into the ark. It says only the ones God chose. So many were also covered with the sediment created by the flood.
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11/23/2016 4:31:00 AM
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At 11/23/2016 4:16:22 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:03:19 PM, janesix wrote:
How do you explain the similar flood myths all around the world?
The top of mt. Everest has marine fossils.
And why is that?
The rest is what you learned in sunday school, meaningless.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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11/23/2016 4:48:14 AM
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At 11/23/2016 4:31:00 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:16:22 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:03:19 PM, janesix wrote:
How do you explain the similar flood myths all around the world?
The top of mt. Everest has marine fossils.
And why is that?
The rest is what you learned in sunday school, meaningless.
All land masses were once under water. The assumption of time that has no basis to be called "scientific" is the only issue. If people realize where the idea of the age of the Earth originated and why, the story unfolds.
Now add that to a rudimentary understanding of how science must first set a baseline for age through observation. They must then use that information to determine a time frame in order to determine the age of something to make it science, time becomes the only issue. Not the possibility as to what the flood would make the Earths topographical landscape look like.
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11/23/2016 4:55:29 AM
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At 11/23/2016 4:48:14 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:31:00 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:16:22 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:03:19 PM, janesix wrote:
How do you explain the similar flood myths all around the world?
The top of mt. Everest has marine fossils.
And why is that?
The rest is what you learned in sunday school, meaningless.
All land masses were once under water.
The top of mount Everest was because it was once the floor of the Tethrys Sea 50 million yrs ago.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
dee-em
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11/23/2016 5:02:39 AM
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At 11/23/2016 4:48:14 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:31:00 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:16:22 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:03:19 PM, janesix wrote:
How do you explain the similar flood myths all around the world?
The top of mt. Everest has marine fossils.
And why is that?
The rest is what you learned in sunday school, meaningless.

All land masses were once under water.

Not at the same time.

The assumption of time that has no basis to be called "scientific" is the only issue.

Are you still on this after having your butt kicked a while ago. (Yes, time has passed since then. Lol).

If people realize where the idea of the age of the Earth originated and why, the story unfolds.

Whatever that means.

Now add that to a rudimentary understanding of how science must first set a baseline for age through observation. They must then use that information to determine a time frame in order to determine the age of something to make it science, time becomes the only issue. Not the possibility as to what the flood would make the Earths topographical landscape look like.

Complete and utter incoherence.

Well done Skips. Up to your usual standard.
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11/23/2016 5:47:06 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/22/2016 9:03:19 PM, janesix wrote:
How do you explain the similar flood myths all around the world?
Water
Was there literal cataclysmic floods all around the world when the ice age ended 12 or 13 thousand years ago?
Melting ice makes water
Or do flood myths represent something allegorical?
A lack of urinals?:
Or did the flood myths spread somehow from group to group, to people all over the globe?
What are you talking about.
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11/23/2016 5:56:01 AM
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At 11/23/2016 4:55:29 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:48:14 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:31:00 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:16:22 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:03:19 PM, janesix wrote:
How do you explain the similar flood myths all around the world?
The top of mt. Everest has marine fossils.
And why is that?
The rest is what you learned in sunday school, meaningless.
All land masses were once under water.
The top of mount Everest was because it was once the floor of the Tethrys Sea 50 million yrs ago.
Prove it....and saying scientists have isn't an answer. If you like. Here is a site that a PhD in nuclear chemistry will be more than welcome to discuss what you think you know about age and radiometric dating. Debate him then post a new thread bulmoron. If you got those guts you speak about. I'll await your typical cowardly atheist genetic fallacy.
http://creation.com...
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11/23/2016 6:55:23 AM
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At 11/23/2016 5:56:01 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:55:29 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:48:14 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:31:00 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:16:22 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:03:19 PM, janesix wrote:
How do you explain the similar flood myths all around the world?
The top of mt. Everest has marine fossils.
And why is that?
The rest is what you learned in sunday school, meaningless.
All land masses were once under water.
The top of mount Everest was because it was once the floor of the Tethrys Sea 50 million yrs ago.
Prove it....and saying scientists have isn't an answer. If you like. Here is a site that a PhD in nuclear chemistry will be more than welcome to discuss what you think you know about age and radiometric dating. Debate him then post a new thread bulmoron. If you got those guts you speak about. I'll await your typical cowardly atheist genetic fallacy.
http://creation.com...
creation.com, you are fucking_ joking aren't you, bahahahahahaha and a nuclear chemist geologist bahahahahahahaha.
Sunday school is the place for you just go there and stay in fantasy land.
You've got some of the words you just don't how to put them into a cohesive sentence.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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11/23/2016 9:39:39 AM
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At 11/23/2016 6:55:23 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/23/2016 5:56:01 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:55:29 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:48:14 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:31:00 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:16:22 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:03:19 PM, janesix wrote:
How do you explain the similar flood myths all around the world?
The top of mt. Everest has marine fossils.
And why is that?
The rest is what you learned in sunday school, meaningless.
All land masses were once under water.
The top of mount Everest was because it was once the floor of the Tethrys Sea 50 million yrs ago.
Prove it....and saying scientists have isn't an answer. If you like. Here is a site that a PhD in nuclear chemistry will be more than welcome to discuss what you think you know about age and radiometric dating. Debate him then post a new thread bulmoron. If you got those guts you speak about. I'll await your typical cowardly atheist genetic fallacy.
http://creation.com...
creation.com, you are fucking_ joking aren't you, bahahahahahaha and a nuclear chemist geologist bahahahahahahaha.
Sunday school is the place for you just go there and stay in fantasy land.
You've got some of the words you just don't how to put them into a cohesive sentence.
And so quick to make my point.
Nuclear chemistry is the study of radioactive decay and the chemistry behind it coward. Any other excuses?

"Nuclear chemists work with various isotopic forms of elements to study fission and fusion processes, or they delve into the effects of ionizing radiation on materials, living organisms (including people), and the environment. Nuclear chemists may work in laboratories, or they may do theoretical work"and often, they do some of both."
Let me know if you're too stupid to know that the daughter isotopes in rocks are the surrounding environments of the rocks.
https://www.acs.org...
janesix
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11/23/2016 8:58:04 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/23/2016 4:16:22 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:03:19 PM, janesix wrote:
How do you explain the similar flood myths all around the world?
The top of mt. Everest has marine fossils.
Was there literal cataclysmic floods all around the world when the ice age ended 12 or 13 thousand years ago?
where did the water to create the ice age come from?

The oceans. Sea level was 400 feet lower during the ice age.
Or do flood myths represent something allegorical?
Assuming the theist scenarios Pangaea was the only land mass. All ground water spread onto the surface everywhere and then the rain. Without the ground water the movement of the Earths upper crust would have violently moved under the water as the ground water was no longer there which made the violent movement possible.
Or did the flood myths spread somehow from group to group, to people all over the globe?
Well assuming Noahs family were at the core of keeping the flood story known through oral tradition, then it follows that groups also kept it alive. Btw, Noahs flood doesn't imply or say "all" land animals went into the ark. It says only the ones God chose. So many were also covered with the sediment created by the flood.
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11/24/2016 1:53:06 AM
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At 11/23/2016 9:39:39 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/23/2016 6:55:23 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/23/2016 5:56:01 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:55:29 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:48:14 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:31:00 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:16:22 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:03:19 PM, janesix wrote:
How do you explain the similar flood myths all around the world?
The top of mt. Everest has marine fossils.
And why is that?
The rest is what you learned in sunday school, meaningless.
All land masses were once under water.
The top of mount Everest was because it was once the floor of the Tethrys Sea 50 million yrs ago.
Prove it....and saying scientists have isn't an answer. If you like. Here is a site that a PhD in nuclear chemistry will be more than welcome to discuss what you think you know about age and radiometric dating. Debate him then post a new thread bulmoron. If you got those guts you speak about. I'll await your typical cowardly atheist genetic fallacy.
http://creation.com...
creation.com, you are fucking_ joking aren't you, bahahahahahaha and a nuclear chemist geologist bahahahahahahaha.
Sunday school is the place for you just go there and stay in fantasy land.
You've got some of the words you just don't how to put them into a cohesive sentence.
And so quick to make my point.
Nuclear chemistry is the study of radioactive decay and the chemistry behind it coward. Any other excuses?

"Nuclear chemists work with various isotopic forms of elements to study fission and fusion processes, or they delve into the effects of ionizing radiation on materials, living organisms (including people), and the environment. Nuclear chemists may work in laboratories, or they may do theoretical work"and often, they do some of both."
Let me know if you're too stupid to know that the daughter isotopes in rocks are the surrounding environments of the rocks.
https://www.acs.org...
She sell sea shells by the sea shore. So says the nuclear chemist. bahahahahaha
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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11/24/2016 3:53:19 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/23/2016 8:58:04 PM, janesix wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:16:22 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:03:19 PM, janesix wrote:
How do you explain the similar flood myths all around the world?
The top of mt. Everest has marine fossils.
Was there literal cataclysmic floods all around the world when the ice age ended 12 or 13 thousand years ago?
where did the water to create the ice age come from?

The oceans. Sea level was 400 feet lower during the ice age.
Prove it ice occupies just as much space as water
Or do flood myths represent something allegorical?
Assuming the theist scenarios Pangaea was the only land mass. All ground water spread onto the surface everywhere and then the rain. Without the ground water the movement of the Earths upper crust would have violently moved under the water as the ground water was no longer there which made the violent movement possible.
Or did the flood myths spread somehow from group to group, to people all over the globe?
Well assuming Noahs family were at the core of keeping the flood story known through oral tradition, then it follows that groups also kept it alive. Btw, Noahs flood doesn't imply or say "all" land animals went into the ark. It says only the ones God chose. So many were also covered with the sediment created by the flood.
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11/24/2016 4:43:21 AM
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At 11/24/2016 3:53:19 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/23/2016 8:58:04 PM, janesix wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:16:22 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:03:19 PM, janesix wrote:
How do you explain the similar flood myths all around the world?
The top of mt. Everest has marine fossils.
Was there literal cataclysmic floods all around the world when the ice age ended 12 or 13 thousand years ago?
where did the water to create the ice age come from?

The oceans. Sea level was 400 feet lower during the ice age.
Prove it ice occupies just as much space as water
Or do flood myths represent something allegorical?
Assuming the theist scenarios Pangaea was the only land mass. All ground water spread onto the surface everywhere and then the rain. Without the ground water the movement of the Earths upper crust would have violently moved under the water as the ground water was no longer there which made the violent movement possible.
Or did the flood myths spread somehow from group to group, to people all over the globe?
Well assuming Noahs family were at the core of keeping the flood story known through oral tradition, then it follows that groups also kept it alive. Btw, Noahs flood doesn't imply or say "all" land animals went into the ark. It says only the ones God chose. So many were also covered with the sediment created by the flood.
You do realise that the universe was created last thursday by a six legged invisible purple green frog and everything you think you know about it was implanted into your head by that creator.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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11/24/2016 5:51:18 AM
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At 11/24/2016 3:53:19 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/23/2016 8:58:04 PM, janesix wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:16:22 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:03:19 PM, janesix wrote:
How do you explain the similar flood myths all around the world?
The top of mt. Everest has marine fossils.
Was there literal cataclysmic floods all around the world when the ice age ended 12 or 13 thousand years ago?
where did the water to create the ice age come from?

The oceans. Sea level was 400 feet lower during the ice age.
Prove it ice occupies just as much space as water
The ice was on top of the north american continent. Thats where the water went.
Or do flood myths represent something allegorical?
Assuming the theist scenarios Pangaea was the only land mass. All ground water spread onto the surface everywhere and then the rain. Without the ground water the movement of the Earths upper crust would have violently moved under the water as the ground water was no longer there which made the violent movement possible.
Or did the flood myths spread somehow from group to group, to people all over the globe?
Well assuming Noahs family were at the core of keeping the flood story known through oral tradition, then it follows that groups also kept it alive. Btw, Noahs flood doesn't imply or say "all" land animals went into the ark. It says only the ones God chose. So many were also covered with the sediment created by the flood.
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11/24/2016 6:52:37 AM
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To those who are interested, I would advise them to read the complete "Report on Second Cambridge Conference," an article by Mark Bailey Posted December 15 1997. Following is a small extract from said article."

. Marie-Agnes Courty (CNRS, Grignon) presented new archaeological data concerning a catastrophe inferred to have occurred in the Middle East c.2350 BC. She emphasized the importance of high-time-resolution archaeological investigations in the assessment of natural catastrophes on societal collapse, the data in this case indicating the combination of a burnt surface horizon and air blast, consistent with a Tunguska-like fireball, but possibly also a major volcanic event.

The evidence for regional environmental change at about the same time was confirmed and extended by Mike Baillie (Queen"s University Belfast), whose tree-ring analyses of Irish bog oaks showed very significant narrowing of the rings around the year 2345 BC, associated with identified tephra from the Icelandic Hekla 4 volcano, dated to 2310 +/- 20 BC. This suggests a volcanic origin of the c. 2350 BC event identified by Courty, but the period in question is also associated with other events, including floods, the creation of new lakes and even the traditional start of Chinese history! In Baillie"s words, 2345 BC "is a classic marker date, i.e. a date which will show up on a regular basis in studies of various kinds". According to the "Report on Second Cambridge Conference," an article by Mark Bailey Posted December 15 1997. There were major events occurring around the world at that time, floods, Meteorite strikes, caused by a close encounter with a comet, presumable causing catastrophic world-wide tsunami" etc, and the flood stories are found throughout the countries of the world.

Over 2,000 years before George Smith"s discovery of the deluge tablets in Iraq, there existed an account of the Chaldean [pre-Babylonian] flood myth. Berosus, an ancient Chaldean historian living in the time of Alexander the Great in the 4th century B.C.E, relayed to the Greeks the antiquity of his peoples deluge myth in the following words: "After the death of Ardates, his son Xisuthrus reigned eighteen sari. In his time happened a great deluge; the history of which is thus described.

The deity Gronos appeared to him in a vision, and warned him that upon the fifteenth day of the month Daesius there would be a flood, by which mankind be destroyed. He therefore enjoined him to write a history of the beginning, procedure, and conclusion of all things, and to bury it in the city of the sun at Sippara; and to build a vessel, and take with him into it his friends and relations; and to convey on board everything necessary to sustain life, together with all the different animals, [In the area of his known world] both birds and quadrupeds, and trust himself fearlessly to the deep.

Having asked the Deity whither he was to sail, he was answered, "To the Gods;" upon which he offered up a prayer for the good of mankind. He then obeyed the divine admonition and built a vessel five stadia in length, and two in breadth. Into this he put everything which he had prepared, and last of all conveyed into it his wife, his children and his friends. After the flood had been upon the earth, and was in time abated, Xisuthrus sent out birds from the vessel; which finding no food, nor any place whereupon they might rest their feet, returned to him again. After an interval of some days, he sent them forth a second time; and they now returned with their feet tinged with mud. He made a trial a third time with these birds; but they returned to him no more: from whence he judged that the surface of the earth had appeared above the waters.

He therefore made an opening in the vessel, and upon looking out found that it was stranded upon the side of some mountains; upon which he immediately quitted it with his wife, his children, and the pilot. Xisuhrus then paid his adoration to the earth: and having constructed an altar, offered sacrifices to the Gods."

It should be noted that the account of the deluge relayed in the tablets discovered by George Smith differ only very slightly from Berosus" account, which differs only slightly from the story handed down by the Chaldean Abraham, who lived with Noah for about 58 years before the old Patriarch died some 350 years after the great flood.

The flood of Noah didn"t come as a surprise. It had been preached on for four generations. Something strange happened when Enoch was 65, from which time "He walked with God." Enoch was given a prophecy that as long as his firstborn son "Methuselah" was alive, the judgement of the flood would be withheld, but as soon as he died, the flood would be sent forth.

Enoch named his firstborn to reflect this prophecy. The name Methuselah comes from two roots: muth, a root that means death, and from shalach, which means "To Bring" or "To Send Forth." Thus, the name Methuselah signifies, "His Death Shall Bring." And, indeed, in the year that Methuselah died, the flood came.

Remembering that Abraham was the son of Terah the High priest of the temple in the Chaldean city of Ur, and he was 58 when Noah died and would have heard the flood story first hand from his oldest living patriarch, the question is now asked, could the Chaldean name "Arsates" mean, "When he dies it will happen? And could the name "Xisuthrus" have the same meaning as that of the name "Noah", which is, "One who brings relief or comfort?"

The Chaldean month of Daesius, is the 2nd month, which corresponds with the biblical account that it was in the second month that the flood came. But there is a two-day discrepancy: the biblical account is the 17th day, whereas the other is the 15th day.

These three flood account are so similar it becomes obvious that they originated from the one source. Another interesting similarity between the Chaldean deluge story and the one as handed down through the Hebrew, is that before the flood, people lived extraordinary long lives until the god/gods declared that man shall no longer live past a restricted age limit. This signifies that the floods of both cultures mark the same transition in the history of the world, that being, the birth of the modern world.

The more that I am forced to look at the flood accounts, the more I am convinced that some catastrophic event occurred 4,500 years ago, which caused worldwide devastating floods and tsunamis, of which the more accurate account of the flood that devastated the civilized world of that day, can be found in the Hebrew culture that came down from the Chaldean Abraham, and his family, whose language and racial religion have remained intact for some 5,000 years.
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11/24/2016 8:45:35 AM
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At 11/24/2016 6:52:37 AM, Gentorev wrote:
To those who are interested, I would advise them to read the complete "Report on Second Cambridge Conference," an article by Mark Bailey Posted December 15 1997. Following is a small extract from said article."

. Marie-Agnes Courty (CNRS, Grignon) presented new archaeological data concerning a catastrophe inferred to have occurred in the Middle East c.2350 BC. She emphasized the importance of high-time-resolution archaeological investigations in the assessment of natural catastrophes on societal collapse, the data in this case indicating the combination of a burnt surface horizon and air blast, consistent with a Tunguska-like fireball, but possibly also a major volcanic event.

The evidence for regional environmental change at about the same time was confirmed and extended by Mike Baillie (Queen"s University Belfast), whose tree-ring analyses of Irish bog oaks showed very significant narrowing of the rings around the year 2345 BC, associated with identified tephra from the Icelandic Hekla 4 volcano, dated to 2310 +/- 20 BC. This suggests a volcanic origin of the c. 2350 BC event identified by Courty, but the period in question is also associated with other events, including floods, the creation of new lakes and even the traditional start of Chinese history! In Baillie"s words, 2345 BC "is a classic marker date, i.e. a date which will show up on a regular basis in studies of various kinds". According to the "Report on Second Cambridge Conference," an article by Mark Bailey Posted December 15 1997. There were major events occurring around the world at that time, floods, Meteorite strikes, caused by a close encounter with a comet, presumable causing catastrophic world-wide tsunami" etc, and the flood stories are found throughout the countries of the world.

Over 2,000 years before George Smith"s discovery of the deluge tablets in Iraq, there existed an account of the Chaldean [pre-Babylonian] flood myth. Berosus, an ancient Chaldean historian living in the time of Alexander the Great in the 4th century B.C.E, relayed to the Greeks the antiquity of his peoples deluge myth in the following words: "After the death of Ardates, his son Xisuthrus reigned eighteen sari. In his time happened a great deluge; the history of which is thus described.

The deity Gronos appeared to him in a vision, and warned him that upon the fifteenth day of the month Daesius there would be a flood, by which mankind be destroyed. He therefore enjoined him to write a history of the beginning, procedure, and conclusion of all things, and to bury it in the city of the sun at Sippara; and to build a vessel, and take with him into it his friends and relations; and to convey on board everything necessary to sustain life, together with all the different animals, [In the area of his known world] both birds and quadrupeds, and trust himself fearlessly to the deep.

Having asked the Deity whither he was to sail, he was answered, "To the Gods;" upon which he offered up a prayer for the good of mankind. He then obeyed the divine admonition and built a vessel five stadia in length, and two in breadth. Into this he put everything which he had prepared, and last of all conveyed into it his wife, his children and his friends. After the flood had been upon the earth, and was in time abated, Xisuthrus sent out birds from the vessel; which finding no food, nor any place whereupon they might rest their feet, returned to him again. After an interval of some days, he sent them forth a second time; and they now returned with their feet tinged with mud. He made a trial a third time with these birds; but they returned to him no more: from whence he judged that the surface of the earth had appeared above the waters.

He therefore made an opening in the vessel, and upon looking out found that it was stranded upon the side of some mountains; upon which he immediately quitted it with his wife, his children, and the pilot. Xisuhrus then paid his adoration to the earth: and having constructed an altar, offered sacrifices to the Gods."

It should be noted that the account of the deluge relayed in the tablets discovered by George Smith differ only very slightly from Berosus" account, which differs only slightly from the story handed down by the Chaldean Abraham, who lived with Noah for about 58 years before the old Patriarch died some 350 years after the great flood.

The flood of Noah didn"t come as a surprise. It had been preached on for four generations. Something strange happened when Enoch was 65, from which time "He walked with God." Enoch was given a prophecy that as long as his firstborn son "Methuselah" was alive, the judgement of the flood would be withheld, but as soon as he died, the flood would be sent forth.

Enoch named his firstborn to reflect this prophecy. The name Methuselah comes from two roots: muth, a root that means death, and from shalach, which means "To Bring" or "To Send Forth." Thus, the name Methuselah signifies, "His Death Shall Bring." And, indeed, in the year that Methuselah died, the flood came.

Remembering that Abraham was the son of Terah the High priest of the temple in the Chaldean city of Ur, and he was 58 when Noah died and would have heard the flood story first hand from his oldest living patriarch, the question is now asked, could the Chaldean name "Arsates" mean, "When he dies it will happen? And could the name "Xisuthrus" have the same meaning as that of the name "Noah", which is, "One who brings relief or comfort?"

The Chaldean month of Daesius, is the 2nd month, which corresponds with the biblical account that it was in the second month that the flood came. But there is a two-day discrepancy: the biblical account is the 17th day, whereas the other is the 15th day.

These three flood account are so similar it becomes obvious that they originated from the one source. Another interesting similarity between the Chaldean deluge story and the one as handed down through the Hebrew, is that before the flood, people lived extraordinary long lives until the god/gods declared that man shall no longer live past a restricted age limit. This signifies that the floods of both cultures mark the same transition in the history of the world, that being, the birth of the modern world.

The more that I am forced to look at the flood accounts, the more I am convinced that some catastrophic event occurred 4,500 years ago, which caused worldwide devastating floods and tsunamis, of which the more accurate account of the flood that devastated the civilized world of that day, can be found in the Hebrew culture that came down from the Chaldean Abraham, and his family, whose language and racial religion have remained intact for some 5,000 years.

Lovely little group of stories, now tell us where the water is that covered the entire planet to a depth of 50 feet above the top of mount Everest?
Where is it?
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11/24/2016 8:53:37 AM
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At 11/24/2016 6:52:37 AM, Gentorev wrote:
The more that I am forced to look at the flood accounts, the more I am convinced that some catastrophic event occurred 4,500 years ago, which caused worldwide devastating floods and tsunamis, of which the more accurate account of the flood that devastated the civilized world of that day, can be found in the Hebrew culture that came down from the Chaldean Abraham, and his family, whose language and racial religion have remained intact for some 5,000 years.

More accurate than what? And how accurate does that make it? The important question is whether the flood was a natural event or a divine puishment. The Bible says it was a divine punishment. Is that something you, Gen, think, is accurate or inaccurate, more accurate than, say, the size given for the ark as 300 cubits long?
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11/24/2016 9:34:39 AM
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At 11/24/2016 8:53:37 AM, keithprosser wrote:
At 11/24/2016 6:52:37 AM, Gentorev wrote:
The more that I am forced to look at the flood accounts, the more I am convinced that some catastrophic event occurred 4,500 years ago, which caused worldwide devastating floods and tsunamis, of which the more accurate account of the flood that devastated the civilized world of that day, can be found in the Hebrew culture that came down from the Chaldean Abraham, and his family, whose language and racial religion have remained intact for some 5,000 years.

More accurate than what? And how accurate does that make it? The important question is whether the flood was a natural event or a divine puishment. The Bible
says it was a divine punishment. Is that something you, Gen, think, is accurate or inaccurate, more accurate than, say, the size given for the ark as 300 cubits long?

Gentorevs response......More accurate than what? More accurate than other flood stories that came out of the Middle East.

Yes I believe that the ark was 300 cubits and a cubit is said by some scholars to equal 48.0 to 57.6"cm, or 18.9 to 22.7"inches. Working on the lowest translation of a cubit, which is 18.9 inches, the ark would have been 472.5 feet in length.

The Hebrew letter for "K" is similar to a backward facing "C," while the Hebrew letter for "G" is also similar to a backward facing "C," with a small tail. It is easy to understand that the early scholars who translated the Hebrew to English, could mistakenly have translated, "Kopherwood" which is any wood that is covered with bitumen, as "Gopherwood."

The Ark, which was a rectangular chest-like floating container built of Kopherwood, would of necessity, have to be sealed inside and out with bitumen to stop it from leaking, and Kopherwood is simply any wood that is coated with tar/bitumen. The Ark was subject to tides, currents and wind, having no means of propulsion or steerage, it was guided by the hand of the Lord.
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11/24/2016 10:06:14 AM
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At 11/24/2016 9:34:39 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 11/24/2016 8:53:37 AM, keithprosser wrote:
At 11/24/2016 6:52:37 AM, Gentorev wrote:
The more that I am forced to look at the flood accounts, the more I am convinced that some catastrophic event occurred 4,500 years ago, which caused worldwide devastating floods and tsunamis, of which the more accurate account of the flood that devastated the civilized world of that day, can be found in the Hebrew culture that came down from the Chaldean Abraham, and his family, whose language and racial religion have remained intact for some 5,000 years.

More accurate than what? And how accurate does that make it? The important question is whether the flood was a natural event or a divine puishment. The Bible
says it was a divine punishment. Is that something you, Gen, think, is accurate or inaccurate, more accurate than, say, the size given for the ark as 300 cubits long?

Gentorevs response......More accurate than what? More accurate than other flood stories that came out of the Middle East.

Yes I believe that the ark was 300 cubits and a cubit is said by some scholars to equal 48.0 to 57.6"cm, or 18.9 to 22.7"inches. Working on the lowest translation of a cubit, which is 18.9 inches, the ark would have been 472.5 feet in length.

The Hebrew letter for "K" is similar to a backward facing "C," while the Hebrew letter for "G" is also similar to a backward facing "C," with a small tail. It is easy to understand that the early scholars who translated the Hebrew to English, could mistakenly have translated, "Kopherwood" which is any wood that is covered with bitumen, as "Gopherwood."

The Ark, which was a rectangular chest-like floating container built of Kopherwood, would of necessity, have to be sealed inside and out with bitumen to stop it from leaking, and Kopherwood is simply any wood that is coated with tar/bitumen. The Ark was subject to tides, currents and wind, having no means of propulsion or steerage, it was guided by the hand of the Lord.
You do understand that such a box wouldn't even float much less carry hundreds of tonnes of animals food, water and waste products.
Stupid as.
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11/24/2016 11:37:33 AM
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At 11/24/2016 10:06:14 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/24/2016 9:34:39 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 11/24/2016 8:53:37 AM, keithprosser wrote:
At 11/24/2016 6:52:37 AM, Gentorev wrote:
The more that I am forced to look at the flood accounts, the more I am convinced that some catastrophic event occurred 4,500 years ago, which caused worldwide devastating floods and tsunamis, of which the more accurate account of the flood that devastated the civilized world of that day, can be found in the Hebrew culture that came down from the Chaldean Abraham, and his family, whose language and racial religion have remained intact for some 5,000 years.

More accurate than what? And how accurate does that make it? The important question is whether the flood was a natural event or a divine puishment. The Bible
says it was a divine punishment. Is that something you, Gen, think, is accurate or inaccurate, more accurate than, say, the size given for the ark as 300 cubits long?

Gentorevs response......More accurate than what? More accurate than other flood stories that came out of the Middle East.

Yes I believe that the ark was 300 cubits and a cubit is said by some scholars to equal 48.0 to 57.6"cm, or 18.9 to 22.7"inches. Working on the lowest translation of a cubit, which is 18.9 inches, the ark would have been 472.5 feet in length.

The Hebrew letter for "K" is similar to a backward facing "C," while the Hebrew letter for "G" is also similar to a backward facing "C," with a small tail. It is easy to understand that the early scholars who translated the Hebrew to English, could mistakenly have translated, "Kopherwood" which is any wood that is covered with bitumen, as "Gopherwood."

The Ark, which was a rectangular chest-like floating container built of Kopherwood, would of necessity, have to be sealed inside and out with bitumen to stop it from leaking, and Kopherwood is simply any wood that is coated with tar/bitumen. The Ark was subject to tides, currents and wind, having no means of propulsion or steerage, it was guided by the hand of the Lord.
You do understand that such a box wouldn't even float much less carry hundreds of tonnes of animals food, water and waste products.
Stupid as.

According to the OT, it was some 400 year after the flood that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, and the daughters of the righteous Lot, believed that of every man in the entire world, [As they perceived the entire world] their father was the sole male survivor.

Do you think that the people of the pre-flood days knew that the circumference of the earth was almost 25,000 miles, or knew how many continents and islands there are on this earth? And if not, just how big do you think that their known world was?

The major volcanic explosion of Hekla 4 in Iceland, which spewed out massive amounts of larva, coupled with a close encounter with a passing comet and a Tunguska like fireball, are believed to have been major issues in the inundation of Island that is said to have been left waste for 30 odd years, and the devastating flood around the Mediterranean Sea, which was the known civilized world in the days of Noah around 2350 B.C, the time when this catastrophic event is said to have occurred.

The animals that were taken into the ark, would have been those, which were chosen from the animals that had fled to the higher ground upon which Noah would have presumably built the ark, which animals would have been those of his known world.

I believe that the flood that occurred in Noah" day, around 2,350 BC, was an event that would have been recorded and handed down by a witness of that era as a world-wide flood.

You do understand that a rectangular water proof box some 500 feet long and 13 metres wide with three decks, would have been more than capable of carrying all that Noah selected from his known world?
The tongue, the sharp two edged sword that divides the spirit from the soul.
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11/24/2016 12:08:26 PM
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At 11/24/2016 5:51:18 AM, janesix wrote:
At 11/24/2016 3:53:19 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/23/2016 8:58:04 PM, janesix wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:16:22 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:03:19 PM, janesix wrote:
How do you explain the similar flood myths all around the world?
The top of mt. Everest has marine fossils.
Was there literal cataclysmic floods all around the world when the ice age ended 12 or 13 thousand years ago?
where did the water to create the ice age come from?

The oceans. Sea level was 400 feet lower during the ice age.
Prove it ice occupies just as much space as water
The ice was on top of the north american continent. Thats where the water went.
Sea level is affected by temperature. The sea getting hotter expands and the opposite happens when colder.
Or do flood myths represent something allegorical?
Assuming the theist scenarios Pangaea was the only land mass. All ground water spread onto the surface everywhere and then the rain. Without the ground water the movement of the Earths upper crust would have violently moved under the water as the ground water was no longer there which made the violent movement possible.
Or did the flood myths spread somehow from group to group, to people all over the globe?
Well assuming Noahs family were at the core of keeping the flood story known through oral tradition, then it follows that groups also kept it alive. Btw, Noahs flood doesn't imply or say "all" land animals went into the ark. It says only the ones God chose. So many were also covered with the sediment created by the flood.
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11/24/2016 12:34:54 PM
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At 11/24/2016 11:37:33 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 11/24/2016 10:06:14 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/24/2016 9:34:39 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 11/24/2016 8:53:37 AM, keithprosser wrote:
At 11/24/2016 6:52:37 AM, Gentorev wrote:
The more that I am forced to look at the flood accounts, the more I am convinced that some catastrophic event occurred 4,500 years ago, which caused worldwide devastating floods and tsunamis, of which the more accurate account of the flood that devastated the civilized world of that day, can be found in the Hebrew culture that came down from the Chaldean Abraham, and his family, whose language and racial religion have remained intact for some 5,000 years.

More accurate than what? And how accurate does that make it? The important question is whether the flood was a natural event or a divine puishment. The Bible
says it was a divine punishment. Is that something you, Gen, think, is accurate or inaccurate, more accurate than, say, the size given for the ark as 300 cubits long?

Gentorevs response......More accurate than what? More accurate than other flood stories that came out of the Middle East.

Yes I believe that the ark was 300 cubits and a cubit is said by some scholars to equal 48.0 to 57.6"cm, or 18.9 to 22.7"inches. Working on the lowest translation of a cubit, which is 18.9 inches, the ark would have been 472.5 feet in length.

The Hebrew letter for "K" is similar to a backward facing "C," while the Hebrew letter for "G" is also similar to a backward facing "C," with a small tail. It is easy to understand that the early scholars who translated the Hebrew to English, could mistakenly have translated, "Kopherwood" which is any wood that is covered with bitumen, as "Gopherwood."

The Ark, which was a rectangular chest-like floating container built of Kopherwood, would of necessity, have to be sealed inside and out with bitumen to stop it from leaking, and Kopherwood is simply any wood that is coated with tar/bitumen. The Ark was subject to tides, currents and wind, having no means of propulsion or steerage, it was guided by the hand of the Lord.
You do understand that such a box wouldn't even float much less carry hundreds of tonnes of animals food, water and waste products.
Stupid as.

According to the OT, it was some 400 year after the flood that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, and the daughters of the righteous Lot, believed that of every man in the entire world, [As they perceived the entire world] their father was the sole male survivor.
And such a story is beyond the capacity of intelligent people to believe. I hasve been drunker than TEN men and have never been so drunk that I could FUK my daughter without knowing it. Anyone who is ignorant enough to believe that story will believe in any religion.

Do you think that the people of the pre-flood days knew that the circumference of the earth was almost 25,000 miles, or knew how many continents and islands there are on this earth? And if not, just how big do you think that their known world was?
Who fukin' cares? It's your god's story.

The major volcanic explosion of Hekla 4 in Iceland, which spewed out massive amounts of larva, coupled with a close encounter with a passing comet and a Tunguska like fireball, are believed to have been major issues in the inundation of Island that is said to have been left waste for 30 odd years, and the devastating flood around the Mediterranean Sea, which was the known civilized world in the days of Noah around 2350 B.C, the time when this catastrophic event is said to have occurred.

The animals that were taken into the ark, would have been those, which were chosen from the animals that had fled to the higher ground upon which Noah would have presumably built the ark, which animals would have been those of his known world.

I believe that the flood that occurred in Noah" day, around 2,350 BC, was an event that would have been recorded and handed down by a witness of that era as a world-wide flood.

You do understand that a rectangular water proof box some 500 feet long and 13 metres wide with three decks, would have been more than capable of carrying all that Noah selected from his known world?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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11/24/2016 7:48:54 PM
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At 11/24/2016 12:08:26 PM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/24/2016 5:51:18 AM, janesix wrote:
At 11/24/2016 3:53:19 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/23/2016 8:58:04 PM, janesix wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:16:22 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:03:19 PM, janesix wrote:
How do you explain the similar flood myths all around the world?
The top of mt. Everest has marine fossils.
Was there literal cataclysmic floods all around the world when the ice age ended 12 or 13 thousand years ago?
where did the water to create the ice age come from?

The oceans. Sea level was 400 feet lower during the ice age.
Prove it ice occupies just as much space as water
The ice was on top of the north american continent. Thats where the water went.
Sea level is affected by temperature. The sea getting hotter expands and the opposite happens when colder.

That's not true.
Or do flood myths represent something allegorical?
Assuming the theist scenarios Pangaea was the only land mass. All ground water spread onto the surface everywhere and then the rain. Without the ground water the movement of the Earths upper crust would have violently moved under the water as the ground water was no longer there which made the violent movement possible.
Or did the flood myths spread somehow from group to group, to people all over the globe?
Well assuming Noahs family were at the core of keeping the flood story known through oral tradition, then it follows that groups also kept it alive. Btw, Noahs flood doesn't imply or say "all" land animals went into the ark. It says only the ones God chose. So many were also covered with the sediment created by the flood.
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11/24/2016 9:32:21 PM
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At 11/23/2016 4:55:29 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:48:14 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:31:00 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:16:22 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:03:19 PM, janesix wrote:
How do you explain the similar flood myths all around the world?
The top of mt. Everest has marine fossils.
And why is that?
The rest is what you learned in sunday school, meaningless.
All land masses were once under water.
The top of mount Everest was because it was once the floor of the Tethrys Sea 50 million yrs ago.

What do the carbon dated results prove? I would think somebody carbon dated these fossils to see if they correlate to prospective timelines of the flood.
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11/25/2016 12:12:25 AM
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At 11/24/2016 9:32:21 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:55:29 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:48:14 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:31:00 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/23/2016 4:16:22 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:03:19 PM, janesix wrote:
How do you explain the similar flood myths all around the world?
The top of mt. Everest has marine fossils.
And why is that?
The rest is what you learned in sunday school, meaningless.
All land masses were once under water.
The top of mount Everest was because it was once the floor of the Tethrys Sea 50 million yrs ago.

What do the carbon dated results prove? I would think somebody carbon dated these fossils to see if they correlate to prospective timelines of the flood.
As usual you have no idea what is being discussed.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin