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bulproof
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11/24/2016 11:11:43 AM
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Where do these souls go in the afterlife of your beliefs?
Are these souls pure and innocent?
Are these souls guilty of sin?
Are these souls guilty of the ONLY unforgivable sin and therefore deserve to be tortured for eternity?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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11/24/2016 1:30:13 PM
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At 11/24/2016 11:11:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
Where do these souls go in the afterlife of your beliefs?
Are these souls pure and innocent?
Are these souls guilty of sin?
Are these souls guilty of the ONLY unforgivable sin and therefore deserve to be tortured for eternity?

They go to a giant womb in the sky where they float for eternity.
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11/24/2016 1:37:41 PM
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At 11/24/2016 1:30:13 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/24/2016 11:11:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
Where do these souls go in the afterlife of your beliefs?
Are these souls pure and innocent?
Are these souls guilty of sin?
Are these souls guilty of the ONLY unforgivable sin and therefore deserve to be tortured for eternity?

They go to a giant womb in the sky where they float for eternity.
Yeah but that is not the godism claim.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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11/24/2016 2:11:02 PM
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God didn't want them to be born as they were too sinful, and they have gone straight to hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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11/24/2016 4:36:43 PM
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At 11/24/2016 11:11:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
Where do these souls go in the afterlife of your beliefs?
Are these souls pure and innocent?
Are these souls guilty of sin?
Are these souls guilty of the ONLY unforgivable sin and therefore deserve to be tortured for eternity?

They are quite safe, tarantula, they are innocent.
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11/24/2016 5:27:17 PM
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At 11/24/2016 11:11:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
Where do these souls go in the afterlife of your beliefs?
Are these souls pure and innocent?
Are these souls guilty of sin?
Are these souls guilty of the ONLY unforgivable sin and therefore deserve to be tortured for eternity?

I don't hold any weight to this, but I like to think that pregnancy is a crossroads of choice and influence in our life, and that our death is the result of a plan we don't know about. You of course know I don't project the afterlife. Assuming they have souls and no one is pulling a fast one on us, I don't see that you can have guilt until you "taste the fruit from the tree that is knowledge of good and evil"
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11/24/2016 6:00:33 PM
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At 11/24/2016 11:11:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
Where do these souls go in the afterlife of your beliefs?
Are these souls pure and innocent?
Are these souls guilty of sin?
Are these souls guilty of the ONLY unforgivable sin and therefore deserve to be tortured for eternity?

1) To judgement, first. After that, Heaven.

2) Yes. They have not chosen to do any sin, and thus have not sinned.

3) Well, no. They haven't had the opportunity to sin.

4) If you are talking about original sin, then no. Original sin was destroyed through Christ's death, and life in Heaven was restored through his resurrection.
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11/24/2016 6:36:46 PM
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At 11/24/2016 6:00:33 PM, David_Debates wrote:

1) To judgement, first. After that, Heaven.

2) Yes. They have not chosen to do any sin, and thus have not sinned.

3) Well, no. They haven't had the opportunity to sin.

4) If you are talking about original sin, then no. Original sin was destroyed through Christ's death, and life in Heaven was restored through his resurrection.

I think that is a non-orthodox view. According to the principle of sola fide, it is only through faith in Jesus that heaven can be obtained. It seems unreasonable that an unborn foetus can have faith in Jesus.

On the matter of original sin, I don't know of a theologian or denomination that says the Jesus' death destroyed original sin. According to Martin Luther and most others who followed, original sin attaches at conception.

So a foetus has sin and no faith in Jesus, thus it hard to justify saying an aborted foetus goes to heaven. I might think that was unfair if I believed in any of that sort of rubbish.
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11/24/2016 7:15:20 PM
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At 11/24/2016 6:36:46 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 11/24/2016 6:00:33 PM, David_Debates wrote:

1) To judgement, first. After that, Heaven.

2) Yes. They have not chosen to do any sin, and thus have not sinned.

3) Well, no. They haven't had the opportunity to sin.

4) If you are talking about original sin, then no. Original sin was destroyed through Christ's death, and life in Heaven was restored through his resurrection.

I think that is a non-orthodox view. According to the principle of sola fide, it is only through faith in Jesus that heaven can be obtained. It seems unreasonable that an unborn foetus can have faith in Jesus.

On the matter of original sin, I don't know of a theologian or denomination that says the Jesus' death destroyed original sin. According to Martin Luther and most others who followed, original sin attaches at conception.

So a foetus has sin and no faith in Jesus, thus it hard to justify saying an aborted foetus goes to heaven. I might think that was unfair if I believed in any of that sort of rubbish.

I always go with the phrase "born into sin" as in we are born surrounded in sin, and from descendant of sinners who will teach us how live in sin. Sin is inevitable within our lifetime if we are allowed ample opportunity. Jesus provided us a benchmark to grasp to, ask forgiveness, and when in doubt ask guidance of God or the one human who lived a full life free of sin, our Sheppard, and symbol of our salvation.
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11/24/2016 7:46:50 PM
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At 11/24/2016 6:36:46 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 11/24/2016 6:00:33 PM, David_Debates wrote:

1) To judgement, first. After that, Heaven.

2) Yes. They have not chosen to do any sin, and thus have not sinned.

3) Well, no. They haven't had the opportunity to sin.

4) If you are talking about original sin, then no. Original sin was destroyed through Christ's death, and life in Heaven was restored through his resurrection.

I think that is a non-orthodox view.

Which orthodox? I'm Catholic, if that would help.

According to the principle of sola fide, it is only through faith in Jesus that heaven can be obtained. It seems unreasonable that an unborn foetus can have faith in Jesus.

On the matter of original sin, I don't know of a theologian or denomination that says the Jesus' death destroyed original sin. According to Martin Luther and most others who followed, original sin attaches at conception.

This is a misconception. Original sin is not a sin, per say, but a tendency to sin. Not only that, but I don't agree with Martin Luther. His beliefs are not grounded, in my opinion.

So a foetus has sin and no faith in Jesus, thus it hard to justify saying an aborted foetus goes to heaven. I might think that was unfair if I believed in any of that sort of rubbish.
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11/24/2016 8:07:48 PM
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At 11/24/2016 7:46:50 PM, David_Debates wrote:
This is a misconception. Original sin is not a sin, per say, but a tendency to sin. Not only that, but I don't agree with Martin Luther. His beliefs are not grounded, in my opinion.

I think that logic implies the soul of an Arab or Indian aborted foetus goes to the Christian heaven - something it wouldn't do it it was actually born and became a Muslim or Hindu.
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11/24/2016 10:50:04 PM
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At 11/24/2016 8:07:48 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 11/24/2016 7:46:50 PM, David_Debates wrote:
This is a misconception. Original sin is not a sin, per say, but a tendency to sin. Not only that, but I don't agree with Martin Luther. His beliefs are not grounded, in my opinion.

I think that logic implies the soul of an Arab or Indian aborted foetus goes to the Christian heaven - something it wouldn't do it it was actually born and became a Muslim or Hindu.

Agreed. Fetuses (is that the plural?) don't have a religion because they don't comprehend the meaning of a religion, and thus are not "Arab" or "Indian." They also are not "Christian," but have not committed sin, and thus cannot be condemned to hell. Jesus is here to offer redemption from sin, but if one has not even had the opportunity to sin, he or she doesn't need that redemption. Does that make sense?
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11/25/2016 8:15:56 AM
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At 11/24/2016 11:11:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
Where do these souls go in the afterlife of your beliefs?
I don't know if souls exist or not.

Are these souls pure and innocent?
The way I see it is that if a soul truly does exist who is to say that what is considered innocent in our material world would even apply to a soul. Same goes for what we would consider wicked within our social norms.

Are these souls guilty of sin?
See above.

Are these souls guilty of the ONLY unforgivable sin and therefore deserve to be tortured for eternity?
Torture is so human. Why do people think a God would operate in the same limited moral framework that we do? It boggles my mind.
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11/25/2016 12:16:10 PM
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At 11/24/2016 1:37:41 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/24/2016 1:30:13 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/24/2016 11:11:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
Where do these souls go in the afterlife of your beliefs?
Are these souls pure and innocent?
Are these souls guilty of sin?
Are these souls guilty of the ONLY unforgivable sin and therefore deserve to be tortured for eternity?

They go to a giant womb in the sky where they float for eternity.
Yeah but that is not the godism claim.

I'm sure that if I wrote it in an old book in Greek, placed a strip of white cardboard around my neck and told it to godists, they would be gullible enough to believe it.
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11/26/2016 1:49:45 AM
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At 11/25/2016 8:15:56 AM, Osmium wrote:
At 11/24/2016 11:11:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
Where do these souls go in the afterlife of your beliefs?
I don't know if souls exist or not.

Are these souls pure and innocent?
The way I see it is that if a soul truly does exist who is to say that what is considered innocent in our material world would even apply to a soul. Same goes for what we would consider wicked within our social norms.

Are these souls guilty of sin?
See above.

Are these souls guilty of the ONLY unforgivable sin and therefore deserve to be tortured for eternity?
Torture is so human. Why do people think a God would operate in the same limited moral framework that we do? It boggles my mind.
Because their gods are an amalgamation of all of the evil tribal leaders ever encountered over centuries.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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11/26/2016 2:20:58 AM
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Quoting sgt hartman, full metal jacket: Jesus h Christ.

No seriously, literalists crack me up. Do arab babies fetus souls go to Christian heaven. I'd say my fellow atheists but most here are just as literal as some of the theists.

Whenever I need a laugh, this is the forum.
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11/26/2016 12:20:54 PM
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At 11/26/2016 2:20:58 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
Quoting sgt hartman, full metal jacket: Jesus h Christ.

No seriously, literalists crack me up. Do arab babies fetus souls go to Christian heaven. I'd say my fellow atheists but most here are just as literal as some of the theists.

Whenever I need a laugh, this is the forum.

You talkin bout the believe Jesus h Christ from this arbitrary point or perish forever in a pit of Willows fighting Illigal Combat thing?
Wisdom is found where the wise seek it.
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11/26/2016 12:39:05 PM
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At 11/26/2016 12:20:54 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 11/26/2016 2:20:58 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
Quoting sgt hartman, full metal jacket: Jesus h Christ.

No seriously, literalists crack me up. Do arab babies fetus souls go to Christian heaven. I'd say my fellow atheists but most here are just as literal as some of the theists.

Whenever I need a laugh, this is the forum.

You talkin bout the believe Jesus h Christ from this arbitrary point or perish forever in a pit of Willows fighting Illigal Combat thing?

No it's when sgt hartman finds a jelly donut in gomer Pyle's footlocker. It's shock
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11/26/2016 12:42:27 PM
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At 11/26/2016 12:20:54 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 11/26/2016 2:20:58 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
Quoting sgt hartman, full metal jacket: Jesus h Christ.

No seriously, literalists crack me up. Do arab babies fetus souls go to Christian heaven. I'd say my fellow atheists but most here are just as literal as some of the theists.

Whenever I need a laugh, this is the forum.

You talkin bout the believe Jesus h Christ from this arbitrary point or perish forever in a pit of Willows fighting Illigal Combat thing?

It's a quote from a movie you obviously haven't seen
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11/26/2016 6:42:43 PM
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At 11/25/2016 12:16:10 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/24/2016 1:37:41 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/24/2016 1:30:13 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/24/2016 11:11:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
Where do these souls go in the afterlife of your beliefs?
Are these souls pure and innocent?
Are these souls guilty of sin?
Are these souls guilty of the ONLY unforgivable sin and therefore deserve to be tortured for eternity?

They go to a giant womb in the sky where they float for eternity.
Yeah but that is not the godism claim.

I'm sure that if I wrote it in an old book in Greek, placed a strip of white cardboard around my neck and told it to godists, they would be gullible enough to believe it.

What makes you think Plato or Socrates existed? Aren't they supposed to be older than Jesus?
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11/26/2016 10:03:14 PM
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At 11/26/2016 6:42:43 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/25/2016 12:16:10 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/24/2016 1:37:41 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/24/2016 1:30:13 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/24/2016 11:11:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
Where do these souls go in the afterlife of your beliefs?
Are these souls pure and innocent?
Are these souls guilty of sin?
Are these souls guilty of the ONLY unforgivable sin and therefore deserve to be tortured for eternity?

They go to a giant womb in the sky where they float for eternity.
Yeah but that is not the godism claim.

I'm sure that if I wrote it in an old book in Greek, placed a strip of white cardboard around my neck and told it to godists, they would be gullible enough to believe it.

What makes you think Plato or Socrates existed? Aren't they supposed to be older than Jesus?

Plato and Socrates wrote a lot. It seems that Jesus never owned a pen, let alone used one.
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11/26/2016 11:22:43 PM
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At 11/26/2016 10:03:14 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 6:42:43 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/25/2016 12:16:10 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/24/2016 1:37:41 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/24/2016 1:30:13 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/24/2016 11:11:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
Where do these souls go in the afterlife of your beliefs?
Are these souls pure and innocent?
Are these souls guilty of sin?
Are these souls guilty of the ONLY unforgivable sin and therefore deserve to be tortured for eternity?

They go to a giant womb in the sky where they float for eternity.
Yeah but that is not the godism claim.

I'm sure that if I wrote it in an old book in Greek, placed a strip of white cardboard around my neck and told it to godists, they would be gullible enough to believe it.

What makes you think Plato or Socrates existed? Aren't they supposed to be older than Jesus?

Plato and Socrates wrote a lot. It seems that Jesus never owned a pen, let alone used one.

He left something better. He left the Shroud and the Holy Spirit. Both are miracles inveterate to the pen.
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11/26/2016 11:33:09 PM
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At 11/26/2016 11:22:43 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/26/2016 10:03:14 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 6:42:43 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/25/2016 12:16:10 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/24/2016 1:37:41 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/24/2016 1:30:13 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/24/2016 11:11:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
Where do these souls go in the afterlife of your beliefs?
Are these souls pure and innocent?
Are these souls guilty of sin?
Are these souls guilty of the ONLY unforgivable sin and therefore deserve to be tortured for eternity?

They go to a giant womb in the sky where they float for eternity.
Yeah but that is not the godism claim.

I'm sure that if I wrote it in an old book in Greek, placed a strip of white cardboard around my neck and told it to godists, they would be gullible enough to believe it.

What makes you think Plato or Socrates existed? Aren't they supposed to be older than Jesus?

Plato and Socrates wrote a lot. It seems that Jesus never owned a pen, let alone used one.

He left something better. He left the Shroud and the Holy Spirit. Both are miracles inveterate to the pen.

Well, hot ziggidy dog....there's the smoking gun we've all been looking for.
Irrefutable proof that God exists, and the Christian one at that.

I'm sure that by now, all the press around the world will be onto it ......."God is real....". And everyone around the world will drop to their knees and repent to thou holy master because we all now know, no escaping the fact that the shroud and the invisible...."something" are as real as hotdogs and coke.
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11/27/2016 2:29:00 AM
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At 11/26/2016 11:33:09 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:22:43 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/26/2016 10:03:14 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 6:42:43 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/25/2016 12:16:10 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/24/2016 1:37:41 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/24/2016 1:30:13 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/24/2016 11:11:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
Where do these souls go in the afterlife of your beliefs?
Are these souls pure and innocent?
Are these souls guilty of sin?
Are these souls guilty of the ONLY unforgivable sin and therefore deserve to be tortured for eternity?

They go to a giant womb in the sky where they float for eternity.
Yeah but that is not the godism claim.

I'm sure that if I wrote it in an old book in Greek, placed a strip of white cardboard around my neck and told it to godists, they would be gullible enough to believe it.

What makes you think Plato or Socrates existed? Aren't they supposed to be older than Jesus?

Plato and Socrates wrote a lot. It seems that Jesus never owned a pen, let alone used one.

He left something better. He left the Shroud and the Holy Spirit. Both are miracles inveterate to the pen.

Well, hot ziggidy dog....there's the smoking gun we've all been looking for.
Irrefutable proof that God exists, and the Christian one at that.

I'm sure that by now, all the press around the world will be onto it ......."God is real....". And everyone around the world will drop to their knees and repent to thou holy master because we all now know, no escaping the fact that the shroud and the invisible...."something" are as real as hotdogs and coke.

Have you ever met Plato or Socrates? You have not. You have only books that were allegedly written by these people. You have no proof they really existed, other than a belief based on flimsy faiths the truths were told. People are convinced Shakespear wrote his material, but a closure examination of his true character might show he was more of an idiot incapable of writing beyond his level. Some might say there were teams of professional scribes tasked with writing for the character of Shakespear. The real Shakespear would likely have not known what was truly meant by his words saying the world was a stage. We believe in the things that agree to our likings, while discarding the things we wish not to hear. You have heard something written within the Bible that you do not like, therefore you now try to rationalize its truths as nonexistent fairytales. This becomes the nature of our egos.
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11/27/2016 3:23:00 AM
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At 11/27/2016 2:29:00 AM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:33:09 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:22:43 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/26/2016 10:03:14 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 6:42:43 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/25/2016 12:16:10 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/24/2016 1:37:41 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/24/2016 1:30:13 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/24/2016 11:11:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
Where do these souls go in the afterlife of your beliefs?
Are these souls pure and innocent?
Are these souls guilty of sin?
Are these souls guilty of the ONLY unforgivable sin and therefore deserve to be tortured for eternity?

They go to a giant womb in the sky where they float for eternity.
Yeah but that is not the godism claim.

I'm sure that if I wrote it in an old book in Greek, placed a strip of white cardboard around my neck and told it to godists, they would be gullible enough to believe it.

What makes you think Plato or Socrates existed? Aren't they supposed to be older than Jesus?

Plato and Socrates wrote a lot. It seems that Jesus never owned a pen, let alone used one.

He left something better. He left the Shroud and the Holy Spirit. Both are miracles inveterate to the pen.

Well, hot ziggidy dog....there's the smoking gun we've all been looking for.
Irrefutable proof that God exists, and the Christian one at that.

I'm sure that by now, all the press around the world will be onto it ......."God is real....". And everyone around the world will drop to their knees and repent to thou holy master because we all now know, no escaping the fact that the shroud and the invisible...."something" are as real as hotdogs and coke.

Have you ever met Plato or Socrates? You have not. You have only books that were allegedly written by these people. You have no proof they really existed, other than a belief based on flimsy faiths the truths were told. People are convinced Shakespear wrote his material, but a closure examination of his true character might show he was more of an idiot incapable of writing beyond his level. Some might say there were teams of professional scribes tasked with writing for the character of Shakespear. The real Shakespear would likely have not known what was truly meant by his words saying the world was a stage. We believe in the things that agree to our likings, while discarding the things we wish not to hear. You have heard something written within the Bible that you do not like, therefore you now try to rationalize its truths as nonexistent fairytales. This becomes the nature of our egos.
I love the new age apologetics, let's prove that gods exist by claiming that nothing else does. WOOHOO that'll knock 'em for 6.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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11/27/2016 6:24:11 AM
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At 11/27/2016 2:29:00 AM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:33:09 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:22:43 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/26/2016 10:03:14 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 6:42:43 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/25/2016 12:16:10 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/24/2016 1:37:41 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/24/2016 1:30:13 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/24/2016 11:11:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
Where do these souls go in the afterlife of your beliefs?
Are these souls pure and innocent?
Are these souls guilty of sin?
Are these souls guilty of the ONLY unforgivable sin and therefore deserve to be tortured for eternity?

They go to a giant womb in the sky where they float for eternity.
Yeah but that is not the godism claim.

I'm sure that if I wrote it in an old book in Greek, placed a strip of white cardboard around my neck and told it to godists, they would be gullible enough to believe it.

What makes you think Plato or Socrates existed? Aren't they supposed to be older than Jesus?

Plato and Socrates wrote a lot. It seems that Jesus never owned a pen, let alone used one.

He left something better. He left the Shroud and the Holy Spirit. Both are miracles inveterate to the pen.

Well, hot ziggidy dog....there's the smoking gun we've all been looking for.
Irrefutable proof that God exists, and the Christian one at that.

I'm sure that by now, all the press around the world will be onto it ......."God is real....". And everyone around the world will drop to their knees and repent to thou holy master because we all now know, no escaping the fact that the shroud and the invisible...."something" are as real as hotdogs and coke.

Have you ever met Plato or Socrates? You have not. You have only books that were allegedly written by these people. You have no proof they really existed, other than a belief based on flimsy faiths the truths were told. People are convinced Shakespear wrote his material, but a closure examination of his true character might show he was more of an idiot incapable of writing beyond his level. Some might say there were teams of professional scribes tasked with writing for the character of Shakespear. The real Shakespear would likely have not known what was truly meant by his words saying the world was a stage. We believe in the things that agree to our likings, while discarding the things we wish not to hear. You have heard something written within the Bible that you do not like, therefore you now try to rationalize its truths as nonexistent fairytales. This becomes the nature of our egos.

Headlines tomorrow.....
"More confirmation of God.....breaking news reveals that because text shows that Plato and Socrates existed there is no doubt that God exists because what is written in the bible is right".
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11/27/2016 1:33:45 PM
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At 11/27/2016 3:23:00 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/27/2016 2:29:00 AM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:33:09 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:22:43 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/26/2016 10:03:14 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 6:42:43 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/25/2016 12:16:10 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/24/2016 1:37:41 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/24/2016 1:30:13 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/24/2016 11:11:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
Where do these souls go in the afterlife of your beliefs?
Are these souls pure and innocent?
Are these souls guilty of sin?
Are these souls guilty of the ONLY unforgivable sin and therefore deserve to be tortured for eternity?

They go to a giant womb in the sky where they float for eternity.
Yeah but that is not the godism claim.

I'm sure that if I wrote it in an old book in Greek, placed a strip of white cardboard around my neck and told it to godists, they would be gullible enough to believe it.

What makes you think Plato or Socrates existed? Aren't they supposed to be older than Jesus?

Plato and Socrates wrote a lot. It seems that Jesus never owned a pen, let alone used one.

He left something better. He left the Shroud and the Holy Spirit. Both are miracles inveterate to the pen.

Well, hot ziggidy dog....there's the smoking gun we've all been looking for.
Irrefutable proof that God exists, and the Christian one at that.

I'm sure that by now, all the press around the world will be onto it ......."God is real....". And everyone around the world will drop to their knees and repent to thou holy master because we all now know, no escaping the fact that the shroud and the invisible...."something" are as real as hotdogs and coke.

Have you ever met Plato or Socrates? You have not. You have only books that were allegedly written by these people. You have no proof they really existed, other than a belief based on flimsy faiths the truths were told. People are convinced Shakespear wrote his material, but a closure examination of his true character might show he was more of an idiot incapable of writing beyond his level. Some might say there were teams of professional scribes tasked with writing for the character of Shakespear. The real Shakespear would likely have not known what was truly meant by his words saying the world was a stage. We believe in the things that agree to our likings, while discarding the things we wish not to hear. You have heard something written within the Bible that you do not like, therefore you now try to rationalize its truths as nonexistent fairytales. This becomes the nature of our egos.
I love the new age apologetics, let's prove that gods exist by claiming that nothing else does. WOOHOO that'll knock 'em for 6.

I don't make apologies for your ignorant stupidity. Either there is a God, or there isn't. We know there are advanced civilizations (a.k.a gods), and we know from the Bible that it has been said that we are also gods. So I try to think deeper into the things you cannot understand. You could probably understand some things with a little help from some brain surgery, or maybe a simply jumpstart from a car battery to energize your dead braincells the ability to at least recognize now the constitutions of intelligent people, actively sifting through available databases to solve equations to the perplexities of life. But then you would only be a talking Frankenstein thinking he has something to finally grunt. Because you'll always be behind the curve to your newly found monstrous curiosity, best kept caged until Halloween comes and goes.
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11/27/2016 1:36:57 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/27/2016 6:24:11 AM, Willows wrote:
At 11/27/2016 2:29:00 AM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:33:09 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:22:43 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/26/2016 10:03:14 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 6:42:43 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/25/2016 12:16:10 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/24/2016 1:37:41 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/24/2016 1:30:13 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/24/2016 11:11:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
Where do these souls go in the afterlife of your beliefs?
Are these souls pure and innocent?
Are these souls guilty of sin?
Are these souls guilty of the ONLY unforgivable sin and therefore deserve to be tortured for eternity?

They go to a giant womb in the sky where they float for eternity.
Yeah but that is not the godism claim.

I'm sure that if I wrote it in an old book in Greek, placed a strip of white cardboard around my neck and told it to godists, they would be gullible enough to believe it.

What makes you think Plato or Socrates existed? Aren't they supposed to be older than Jesus?

Plato and Socrates wrote a lot. It seems that Jesus never owned a pen, let alone used one.

He left something better. He left the Shroud and the Holy Spirit. Both are miracles inveterate to the pen.

Well, hot ziggidy dog....there's the smoking gun we've all been looking for.
Irrefutable proof that God exists, and the Christian one at that.

I'm sure that by now, all the press around the world will be onto it ......."God is real....". And everyone around the world will drop to their knees and repent to thou holy master because we all now know, no escaping the fact that the shroud and the invisible...."something" are as real as hotdogs and coke.

Have you ever met Plato or Socrates? You have not. You have only books that were allegedly written by these people. You have no proof they really existed, other than a belief based on flimsy faiths the truths were told. People are convinced Shakespear wrote his material, but a closure examination of his true character might show he was more of an idiot incapable of writing beyond his level. Some might say there were teams of professional scribes tasked with writing for the character of Shakespear. The real Shakespear would likely have not known what was truly meant by his words saying the world was a stage. We believe in the things that agree to our likings, while discarding the things we wish not to hear. You have heard something written within the Bible that you do not like, therefore you now try to rationalize its truths as nonexistent fairytales. This becomes the nature of our egos.

Headlines tomorrow.....
"More confirmation of God.....breaking news reveals that because text shows that Plato and Socrates existed there is no doubt that God exists because what is written in the bible is right".

The example went right over your head. You can't even begin to comprehend that Plato didn't exist, yet you seem so sure that Jesus didn't exist even though you spend all your time talking about Him.
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11/27/2016 1:43:42 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/27/2016 1:36:57 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/27/2016 6:24:11 AM, Willows wrote:
At 11/27/2016 2:29:00 AM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:33:09 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:22:43 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/26/2016 10:03:14 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 6:42:43 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 11/25/2016 12:16:10 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/24/2016 1:37:41 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/24/2016 1:30:13 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/24/2016 11:11:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
Where do these souls go in the afterlife of your beliefs?
Are these souls pure and innocent?
Are these souls guilty of sin?
Are these souls guilty of the ONLY unforgivable sin and therefore deserve to be tortured for eternity?

They go to a giant womb in the sky where they float for eternity.
Yeah but that is not the godism claim.

I'm sure that if I wrote it in an old book in Greek, placed a strip of white cardboard around my neck and told it to godists, they would be gullible enough to believe it.

What makes you think Plato or Socrates existed? Aren't they supposed to be older than Jesus?

Plato and Socrates wrote a lot. It seems that Jesus never owned a pen, let alone used one.

He left something better. He left the Shroud and the Holy Spirit. Both are miracles inveterate to the pen.

Well, hot ziggidy dog....there's the smoking gun we've all been looking for.
Irrefutable proof that God exists, and the Christian one at that.

I'm sure that by now, all the press around the world will be onto it ......."God is real....". And everyone around the world will drop to their knees and repent to thou holy master because we all now know, no escaping the fact that the shroud and the invisible...."something" are as real as hotdogs and coke.

Have you ever met Plato or Socrates? You have not. You have only books that were allegedly written by these people. You have no proof they really existed, other than a belief based on flimsy faiths the truths were told. People are convinced Shakespear wrote his material, but a closure examination of his true character might show he was more of an idiot incapable of writing beyond his level. Some might say there were teams of professional scribes tasked with writing for the character of Shakespear. The real Shakespear would likely have not known what was truly meant by his words saying the world was a stage. We believe in the things that agree to our likings, while discarding the things we wish not to hear. You have heard something written within the Bible that you do not like, therefore you now try to rationalize its truths as nonexistent fairytales. This becomes the nature of our egos.

Headlines tomorrow.....
"More confirmation of God.....breaking news reveals that because text shows that Plato and Socrates existed there is no doubt that God exists because what is written in the bible is right".

The example went right over your head. You can't even begin to comprehend that Plato didn't exist, yet you seem so sure that Jesus didn't exist even though you spend all your time talking about Him.
So tell us oh stupid who's aborted foetus you nare discussing?
Socrates, Plato or Jesus?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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11/27/2016 1:47:39 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/27/2016 1:33:45 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
I don't make apologies for your ignorant stupidity. Either there is a God, or there isn't.
Oh look at the poor ignorant trying desperately to have nothing to do with the thread because he lacks any capacity to do so.
Souls of aborted fetuses?
Oh do continue to masturbate and continue to think it makes you look smart.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin