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Willows
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11/26/2016 12:49:34 PM
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Living in a free society means that we have access to a wide range of potentially damaging products such as tobacco, alcohol, betting, and pornography. It is, therefore understandable that we restrict availability to adults only.

Then we have the bible. Its contents include gratuitous violence, random mass killings, sexism, racism, homophobia, endless sexually explicit accounts and hardcore pornography.

If adults want to read such sordid nonsense, that is their business but should we allow children to have access to the Bible?
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11/26/2016 12:56:10 PM
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And cartoons with all the senseless violence, innuendo, appeals to grandeur, superpowers...

Good idea

Probably should restrict children's access to true human history as well, especially the really violent things as it may indoctrinate. Kid napping the king forcing signature of the magma carta, confuscious, liberation of Europe, American revolution... they may scar kids for life!
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11/26/2016 12:57:49 PM
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At 11/26/2016 12:49:34 PM, Willows wrote:
Living in a free society means that we have access to a wide range of potentially damaging products such as tobacco, alcohol, betting, and pornography. It is, therefore understandable that we restrict availability to adults only.

Then we have the bible. Its contents include gratuitous violence, random mass killings, sexism, racism, homophobia, endless sexually explicit accounts and hardcore pornography.

If adults want to read such sordid nonsense, that is their business but should we allow children to have access to the Bible?

Does your restriction apply to all religious books, which would include Islamic religious books, Hindu, Buddhist, etc, etc? If so, then good luck matey.
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11/26/2016 1:09:51 PM
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At 11/26/2016 12:57:49 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 11/26/2016 12:49:34 PM, Willows wrote:
Living in a free society means that we have access to a wide range of potentially damaging products such as tobacco, alcohol, betting, and pornography. It is, therefore understandable that we restrict availability to adults only.

Then we have the bible. Its contents include gratuitous violence, random mass killings, sexism, racism, homophobia, endless sexually explicit accounts and hardcore pornography.

If adults want to read such sordid nonsense, that is their business but should we allow children to have access to the Bible?

Does your restriction apply to all religious books, which would include Islamic religious books, Hindu, Buddhist, etc, etc? If so, then good luck matey.

Nah... the Gita may solely have been about Arjuna killing his uncle with a god as his charioteer but ... and the dhammapada is full of death but...
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11/26/2016 1:31:02 PM
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At 11/26/2016 12:49:34 PM, Willows wrote:
Living in a free society means that we have access to a wide range of potentially damaging products such as tobacco, alcohol, betting, and pornography. It is, therefore understandable that we restrict availability to adults only.

Then we have the bible. Its contents include gratuitous violence, random mass killings, sexism, racism, homophobia, endless sexually explicit accounts and hardcore pornography.

If adults want to read such sordid nonsense, that is their business but should we allow children to have access to the Bible?

Adults have no business using the Bible as a means of abusing children and the vulnerable with scare tactics if they don't convert. There is no evidence hell awaits the unsaved, or heaven the saved, anymore than there is evidence god exists.
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11/26/2016 2:15:26 PM
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At 11/26/2016 12:56:10 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
And cartoons with all the senseless violence, innuendo, appeals to grandeur, superpowers...

Good idea

Probably should restrict children's access to true human history as well, especially the really violent things as it may indoctrinate. Kid napping the king forcing signature of the magma carta, confuscious, liberation of Europe, American revolution... they may scar kids for life!

They don't have a patch on the senseless mass murders and genocides portrayed in the bible.
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11/26/2016 2:34:01 PM
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At 11/26/2016 2:15:26 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 12:56:10 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
And cartoons with all the senseless violence, innuendo, appeals to grandeur, superpowers...

Good idea

Probably should restrict children's access to true human history as well, especially the really violent things as it may indoctrinate. Kid napping the king forcing signature of the magma carta, confuscious, liberation of Europe, American revolution... they may scar kids for life!

They don't have a patch on the senseless mass murders and genocides portrayed in the bible.

History books aren't full of mass murder, betrayal, deceit, slavery, genocide?
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11/26/2016 2:39:56 PM
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At 11/26/2016 2:15:26 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 12:56:10 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
And cartoons with all the senseless violence, innuendo, appeals to grandeur, superpowers...

Good idea

Probably should restrict children's access to true human history as well, especially the really violent things as it may indoctrinate. Kid napping the king forcing signature of the magma carta, confuscious, liberation of Europe, American revolution... they may scar kids for life!

They don't have a patch on the senseless mass murders and genocides portrayed in the bible.

Also what age can children start thinking for themselves on issues like politics, religion???
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11/26/2016 2:40:35 PM
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At 11/26/2016 12:49:34 PM, Willows wrote:
Living in a free society means that we have access to a wide range of potentially damaging products such as tobacco, alcohol, betting, and pornography. It is, therefore understandable that we restrict availability to adults only.

Then we have the bible. Its contents include gratuitous violence, random mass killings, sexism, racism, homophobia, endless sexually explicit accounts and hardcore pornography.


Not to mention love, justice, repentance, healing, sacrificing oneself for another.

If adults want to read such sordid nonsense, that is their business but should we allow children to have access to the Bible?
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11/26/2016 3:04:29 PM
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At 11/26/2016 2:40:35 PM, rnjs wrote:
At 11/26/2016 12:49:34 PM, Willows wrote:
Living in a free society means that we have access to a wide range of potentially damaging products such as tobacco, alcohol, betting, and pornography. It is, therefore understandable that we restrict availability to adults only.

Then we have the bible. Its contents include gratuitous violence, random mass killings, sexism, racism, homophobia, endless sexually explicit accounts and hardcore pornography.


Not to mention love, justice, repentance, healing, sacrificing oneself for another.
The glory of suicide!
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11/26/2016 3:08:14 PM
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At 11/26/2016 3:04:29 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/26/2016 2:40:35 PM, rnjs wrote:
At 11/26/2016 12:49:34 PM, Willows wrote:
Living in a free society means that we have access to a wide range of potentially damaging products such as tobacco, alcohol, betting, and pornography. It is, therefore understandable that we restrict availability to adults only.

Then we have the bible. Its contents include gratuitous violence, random mass killings, sexism, racism, homophobia, endless sexually explicit accounts and hardcore pornography.


Not to mention love, justice, repentance, healing, sacrificing oneself for another.
The glory of suicide!

Masturbation with God
Willows
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11/26/2016 10:32:12 PM
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At 11/26/2016 2:40:35 PM, rnjs wrote:
At 11/26/2016 12:49:34 PM, Willows wrote:
Living in a free society means that we have access to a wide range of potentially damaging products such as tobacco, alcohol, betting, and pornography. It is, therefore understandable that we restrict availability to adults only.

Then we have the bible. Its contents include gratuitous violence, random mass killings, sexism, racism, homophobia, endless sexually explicit accounts and hardcore pornography.


Not to mention love, justice, repentance, healing, sacrificing oneself for another.

That's quite right. But why include disgusting stories such as Sodom and Gomorrah which serve absolutely no constructive purpose.

Given that the Bible is a collection of documents with no specific continuity, why do Christians not edit out such unsavory nonsense?

If adults want to read such sordid nonsense, that is their business but should we allow children to have access to the Bible?
Willows
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11/26/2016 10:36:01 PM
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At 11/26/2016 2:39:56 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 2:15:26 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 12:56:10 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
And cartoons with all the senseless violence, innuendo, appeals to grandeur, superpowers...

Good idea

Probably should restrict children's access to true human history as well, especially the really violent things as it may indoctrinate. Kid napping the king forcing signature of the magma carta, confuscious, liberation of Europe, American revolution... they may scar kids for life!

They don't have a patch on the senseless mass murders and genocides portrayed in the bible.

Also what age can children start thinking for themselves on issues like politics, religion???

Children will always think for themselves, but just like alcohol and tobacco, we should not have the right to shove it down their throats, just because we indulge in it.
Willows
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11/26/2016 10:53:50 PM
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At 11/26/2016 2:34:01 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 2:15:26 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 12:56:10 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
And cartoons with all the senseless violence, innuendo, appeals to grandeur, superpowers...

Good idea

Probably should restrict children's access to true human history as well, especially the really violent things as it may indoctrinate. Kid napping the king forcing signature of the magma carta, confuscious, liberation of Europe, American revolution... they may scar kids for life!

They don't have a patch on the senseless mass murders and genocides portrayed in the bible.


History books aren't full of mass murder, betrayal, deceit, slavery, genocide?

How about... "Some men knock on the door demanding to rape another man in residence. In defiance, the householder gives over his two daughters instead who are brutally raped. The daughters get their father drunk and take it, in turn, to have sex with him"

History books are not full of that garbage.
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11/26/2016 10:56:30 PM
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At 11/26/2016 12:49:34 PM, Willows wrote:
Living in a free society means that we have access to a wide range of potentially damaging products such as tobacco, alcohol, betting, and pornography. It is, therefore understandable that we restrict availability to adults only.

Then we have the bible. Its contents include gratuitous violence, random mass killings, sexism, racism, homophobia, endless sexually explicit accounts and hardcore pornography.

If adults want to read such sordid nonsense, that is their business but should we allow children to have access to the Bible?

Yes, i think it would be a good idea. The same goes for many of the other holy scriptures of the other religions. The Koran should definetely be made X-rated.
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11/26/2016 10:58:41 PM
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At 11/26/2016 10:53:50 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 2:34:01 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 2:15:26 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 12:56:10 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
And cartoons with all the senseless violence, innuendo, appeals to grandeur, superpowers...

Good idea

Probably should restrict children's access to true human history as well, especially the really violent things as it may indoctrinate. Kid napping the king forcing signature of the magma carta, confuscious, liberation of Europe, American revolution... they may scar kids for life!

They don't have a patch on the senseless mass murders and genocides portrayed in the bible.


History books aren't full of mass murder, betrayal, deceit, slavery, genocide?

How about... "Some men knock on the door demanding to rape another man in residence. In defiance, the householder gives over his two daughters instead who are brutally raped. The daughters get their father drunk and take it, in turn, to have sex with him"

History books are not full of that garbage.

Nah just pharoahs marrying their daughters or sisters, caesars molesting their nephews, Russians with umpteen million pogroms, and every society practicing slavery at some point.
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11/26/2016 11:01:33 PM
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At 11/26/2016 12:57:49 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 11/26/2016 12:49:34 PM, Willows wrote:
Living in a free society means that we have access to a wide range of potentially damaging products such as tobacco, alcohol, betting, and pornography. It is, therefore understandable that we restrict availability to adults only.

Then we have the bible. Its contents include gratuitous violence, random mass killings, sexism, racism, homophobia, endless sexually explicit accounts and hardcore pornography.

If adults want to read such sordid nonsense, that is their business but should we allow children to have access to the Bible?

Does your restriction apply to all religious books, which would include Islamic religious books, Hindu, Buddhist, etc, etc? If so, then good luck matey.

Any publications that contain gratuitous violence and pornography should be restricted. Yet somehow religious books with such content get passed the censor That is wrong and it should be changed.
Like any societal change to take place we need to voice our disapproval rather than accept the status quo.
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11/26/2016 11:03:42 PM
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At 11/26/2016 3:10:43 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
Sharply dressed 5 year old's at church.

You are tempting me to start on my childhood memories of Sundays.
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11/26/2016 11:04:48 PM
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At 11/26/2016 10:53:50 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 2:34:01 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 2:15:26 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 12:56:10 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
And cartoons with all the senseless violence, innuendo, appeals to grandeur, superpowers...

Good idea

Probably should restrict children's access to true human history as well, especially the really violent things as it may indoctrinate. Kid napping the king forcing signature of the magma carta, confuscious, liberation of Europe, American revolution... they may scar kids for life!

They don't have a patch on the senseless mass murders and genocides portrayed in the bible.


History books aren't full of mass murder, betrayal, deceit, slavery, genocide?

How about... "Some men knock on the door demanding to rape another man in residence. In defiance, the householder gives over his two daughters instead who are brutally raped. The daughters get their father drunk and take it, in turn, to have sex with him"

History books are not full of that garbage.

And you the foot binding for jollies in china (crippling the noblewoman), geishas, cannibalism, headhunters, mass forced sterilization... I'd say our history is full of lots of garbage when taught correctly without filters.
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11/26/2016 11:17:10 PM
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At 11/26/2016 10:58:41 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 10:53:50 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 2:34:01 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 2:15:26 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 12:56:10 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
And cartoons with all the senseless violence, innuendo, appeals to grandeur, superpowers...

Good idea

Probably should restrict children's access to true human history as well, especially the really violent things as it may indoctrinate. Kid napping the king forcing signature of the magma carta, confuscious, liberation of Europe, American revolution... they may scar kids for life!

They don't have a patch on the senseless mass murders and genocides portrayed in the bible.


History books aren't full of mass murder, betrayal, deceit, slavery, genocide?

How about... "Some men knock on the door demanding to rape another man in residence. In defiance, the householder gives over his two daughters instead who are brutally raped. The daughters get their father drunk and take it, in turn, to have sex with him"

History books are not full of that garbage.

Nah just pharoahs marrying their daughters or sisters, caesars molesting their nephews, Russians with umpteen million pogroms, and every society practicing slavery at some point.

Kids can get their hands on any information nowadays and history books in general "mention" unsavory acts in context.

The bible, however, portrays unnecessary graphic pornographic accounts plus relating just about every moral value to sex and sex perversion. The bible is widely distributed and widely known.
That is why I have singled out such an abhorrent, disgusting rag.

And before the religious nuts begin stating that I am just biased against religion and the bible anyway I will save them the post.....yes I am.

And for obvious reasons.
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11/26/2016 11:25:28 PM
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At 11/26/2016 11:03:42 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 3:10:43 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
Sharply dressed 5 year old's at church.

You are tempting me to start on my childhood memories of Sundays.

OK kids everybody clap your hands , altogether now.

Sunday school is over , we'll soon be going home .
So long
Farewell
We'll soon be going home.

OK kids we are now going to pass the bowl around, if you have anything to give please pop it in the bowl. If not , it's all good, maybe next time.
You've got ya coin ready to place in the bowl .
You know your going to heaven when God sees you put two $1 buck
Don't forget your paintings and other craft.
You look down at a painting that you did with ripped up bits of sponge.
Wow , you so know that that little puppy is going straight on the fridge.
Mums going to love it.
You start to think about going for a ride on ya BMX when you get home , maybe even make a jump.
Just how great is life ?
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11/26/2016 11:48:09 PM
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At 11/26/2016 11:17:10 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 10:58:41 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 10:53:50 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 2:34:01 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 2:15:26 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 12:56:10 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
And cartoons with all the senseless violence, innuendo, appeals to grandeur, superpowers...

Good idea

Probably should restrict children's access to true human history as well, especially the really violent things as it may indoctrinate. Kid napping the king forcing signature of the magma carta, confuscious, liberation of Europe, American revolution... they may scar kids for life!

They don't have a patch on the senseless mass murders and genocides portrayed in the bible.


History books aren't full of mass murder, betrayal, deceit, slavery, genocide?

How about... "Some men knock on the door demanding to rape another man in residence. In defiance, the householder gives over his two daughters instead who are brutally raped. The daughters get their father drunk and take it, in turn, to have sex with him"

History books are not full of that garbage.

Nah just pharoahs marrying their daughters or sisters, caesars molesting their nephews, Russians with umpteen million pogroms, and every society practicing slavery at some point.

Kids can get their hands on any information nowadays and history books in general "mention" unsavory acts in context.

The bible, however, portrays unnecessary graphic pornographic accounts plus relating just about every moral value to sex and sex perversion. The bible is widely distributed and widely known.
That is why I have singled out such an abhorrent, disgusting rag.

And before the religious nuts begin stating that I am just biased against religion and the bible anyway I will save them the post.....yes I am.

And for obvious reasons.

Banning is never good.

What about the Gita or Mahabharata? Kid napping, rape, sole duty of murdering an uncle?

Think you are a bit paranoid but too each their own. Too much of anything is bad.
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11/27/2016 12:28:32 AM
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At 11/26/2016 11:25:28 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:03:42 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 3:10:43 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
Sharply dressed 5 year old's at church.

You are tempting me to start on my childhood memories of Sundays.

OK kids everybody clap your hands , altogether now.

Sunday school is over , we'll soon be going home .
So long
Farewell
We'll soon be going home.

OK kids we are now going to pass the bowl around, if you have anything to give please pop it in the bowl. If not , it's all good, maybe next time.
You've got ya coin ready to place in the bowl .
You know your going to heaven when God sees you put two $1 buck
Don't forget your paintings and other craft.
You look down at a painting that you did with ripped up bits of sponge.
Wow , you so know that that little puppy is going straight on the fridge.
Mums going to love it.
You start to think about going for a ride on ya BMX when you get home , maybe even make a jump.
Just how great is life ?

Then there was one Sunday afternoon when Ray and I had to sort out all the bottles from the bottle drive behind the church hall.
There was a great big brick chimney running down the side and I said to Ray...'Hey dare me?...as I raised a big beer bottle behind my head...then threw it with all my might and great delight at the chimney.
Just then, Mr. Newsome (the pastor)....sticks his head over the fence...."I saw that (the bugger was waiting for me to do it), now you pick up every last bit of glass or I will tell your parents and you will suffer eternal damnation".
Such was Sunday school.
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11/27/2016 12:36:58 AM
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At 11/26/2016 11:48:09 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:17:10 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 10:58:41 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 10:53:50 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 2:34:01 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 2:15:26 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 12:56:10 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
And cartoons with all the senseless violence, innuendo, appeals to grandeur, superpowers...

Good idea

Probably should restrict children's access to true human history as well, especially the really violent things as it may indoctrinate. Kid napping the king forcing signature of the magma carta, confuscious, liberation of Europe, American revolution... they may scar kids for life!

They don't have a patch on the senseless mass murders and genocides portrayed in the bible.


History books aren't full of mass murder, betrayal, deceit, slavery, genocide?

How about... "Some men knock on the door demanding to rape another man in residence. In defiance, the householder gives over his two daughters instead who are brutally raped. The daughters get their father drunk and take it, in turn, to have sex with him"

History books are not full of that garbage.

Nah just pharoahs marrying their daughters or sisters, caesars molesting their nephews, Russians with umpteen million pogroms, and every society practicing slavery at some point.

Kids can get their hands on any information nowadays and history books in general "mention" unsavory acts in context.

The bible, however, portrays unnecessary graphic pornographic accounts plus relating just about every moral value to sex and sex perversion. The bible is widely distributed and widely known.
That is why I have singled out such an abhorrent, disgusting rag.

And before the religious nuts begin stating that I am just biased against religion and the bible anyway I will save them the post.....yes I am.

And for obvious reasons.

Banning is never good.

What about the Gita or Mahabharata? Kid napping, rape, sole duty of murdering an uncle?

Think you are a bit paranoid but too each their own. Too much of anything is bad.

I agree. Banning is the tactic preferred by those who wish to avoid having their views criticized. I think Willows has a valid concern with some religious material not being appropriate for all audiences, but completely disallowing the material goes a bit far.
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11/27/2016 12:44:39 AM
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At 11/27/2016 12:36:58 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:48:09 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:17:10 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 10:58:41 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 10:53:50 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 2:34:01 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 2:15:26 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 12:56:10 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
And cartoons with all the senseless violence, innuendo, appeals to grandeur, superpowers...

Good idea

Probably should restrict children's access to true human history as well, especially the really violent things as it may indoctrinate. Kid napping the king forcing signature of the magma carta, confuscious, liberation of Europe, American revolution... they may scar kids for life!

They don't have a patch on the senseless mass murders and genocides portrayed in the bible.


History books aren't full of mass murder, betrayal, deceit, slavery, genocide?

How about... "Some men knock on the door demanding to rape another man in residence. In defiance, the householder gives over his two daughters instead who are brutally raped. The daughters get their father drunk and take it, in turn, to have sex with him"

History books are not full of that garbage.

Nah just pharoahs marrying their daughters or sisters, caesars molesting their nephews, Russians with umpteen million pogroms, and every society practicing slavery at some point.

Kids can get their hands on any information nowadays and history books in general "mention" unsavory acts in context.

The bible, however, portrays unnecessary graphic pornographic accounts plus relating just about every moral value to sex and sex perversion. The bible is widely distributed and widely known.
That is why I have singled out such an abhorrent, disgusting rag.

And before the religious nuts begin stating that I am just biased against religion and the bible anyway I will save them the post.....yes I am.

And for obvious reasons.

Banning is never good.

What about the Gita or Mahabharata? Kid napping, rape, sole duty of murdering an uncle?

Think you are a bit paranoid but too each their own. Too much of anything is bad.

I agree. Banning is the tactic preferred by those who wish to avoid having their views criticized. I think Willows has a valid concern with some religious material not being appropriate for all audiences, but completely disallowing the material goes a bit far.

Age appropriate for sure. But what the hell does Lot have to do with history? That's a moral lesson Jews, Christians, Muslims, and some others use for various lessons: hospitality, welcoming stranger, adultery, etc... same with trumpets and Jericho, water to wine, etc... but romes not Rome without Christianity which began with a radical Jew rebelling against the orthodoxy of the day.

Another: how does one teach about the maya without at least mentioning human sacrifice to appease tical? Or the Hawaiian and man?

Too many here are so fixated on their hatred of Christianity they write like they can't see the forest thru the trees.
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11/27/2016 12:54:59 AM
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At 11/26/2016 12:49:34 PM, Willows wrote:
Living in a free society means that we have access to a wide range of potentially damaging products such as tobacco, alcohol, betting, and pornography. It is, therefore understandable that we restrict availability to adults only.

Actually, unless I am mistaken, tobacco, alcohol, betting, pornography are not limited to adults only. It is limited to adult purchase and minors may not use these things in public (generally). By that standard, the Bible would not be limited to adults only. (your limitation doesn't go as far as you might prefer)

Then we have the bible. Its contents include gratuitous violence, random mass killings, sexism, racism, homophobia, endless sexually explicit accounts and hardcore pornography.

If adults want to read such sordid nonsense, that is their business but should we allow children to have access to the Bible?

I believe banning any book (including the Bible) is dubious strategy to limit the volition of others. Has banning books ever been effective - doesn't this just draw attention to the material? How is this different than the mind control religion is often criticized for?
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11/27/2016 1:07:45 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/27/2016 12:44:39 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/27/2016 12:36:58 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:48:09 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:17:10 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 10:58:41 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 10:53:50 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 2:34:01 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 2:15:26 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 12:56:10 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
And cartoons with all the senseless violence, innuendo, appeals to grandeur, superpowers...

Good idea

Probably should restrict children's access to true human history as well, especially the really violent things as it may indoctrinate. Kid napping the king forcing signature of the magma carta, confuscious, liberation of Europe, American revolution... they may scar kids for life!

They don't have a patch on the senseless mass murders and genocides portrayed in the bible.


History books aren't full of mass murder, betrayal, deceit, slavery, genocide?

How about... "Some men knock on the door demanding to rape another man in residence. In defiance, the householder gives over his two daughters instead who are brutally raped. The daughters get their father drunk and take it, in turn, to have sex with him"

History books are not full of that garbage.

Nah just pharoahs marrying their daughters or sisters, caesars molesting their nephews, Russians with umpteen million pogroms, and every society practicing slavery at some point.

Kids can get their hands on any information nowadays and history books in general "mention" unsavory acts in context.

The bible, however, portrays unnecessary graphic pornographic accounts plus relating just about every moral value to sex and sex perversion. The bible is widely distributed and widely known.
That is why I have singled out such an abhorrent, disgusting rag.

And before the religious nuts begin stating that I am just biased against religion and the bible anyway I will save them the post.....yes I am.

And for obvious reasons.

Banning is never good.

What about the Gita or Mahabharata? Kid napping, rape, sole duty of murdering an uncle?

Think you are a bit paranoid but too each their own. Too much of anything is bad.

I agree. Banning is the tactic preferred by those who wish to avoid having their views criticized. I think Willows has a valid concern with some religious material not being appropriate for all audiences, but completely disallowing the material goes a bit far.

Age appropriate for sure. But what the hell does Lot have to do with history? That's a moral lesson Jews, Christians, Muslims, and some others use for various lessons: hospitality, welcoming stranger, adultery, etc... same with trumpets and Jericho, water to wine, etc... but romes not Rome without Christianity which began with a radical Jew rebelling against the orthodoxy of the day.

Another: how does one teach about the maya without at least mentioning human sacrifice to appease tical? Or the Hawaiian and man?

I completely agree. If we're going to avoid religion in school then we're going to avoid much of history as well.

Too many here are so fixated on their hatred of Christianity they write like they can't see the forest thru the trees.

I think we should be trying to find a tone which does not push those with different views away. It doesn't come naturally to all of us. ;-)
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11/27/2016 1:09:01 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/26/2016 12:49:34 PM, Willows wrote:
Living in a free society means that we have access to a wide range of potentially damaging products such as tobacco, alcohol, betting, and pornography. It is, therefore understandable that we restrict availability to adults only.

Then we have the bible. Its contents include gratuitous violence, random mass killings, sexism, racism, homophobia, endless sexually explicit accounts and hardcore pornography.

If adults want to read such sordid nonsense, that is their business but should we allow children to have access to the Bible?

The Bible should be read to children like any other scary fables from the past, Grimms, Aesop, etc.
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