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11/26/2016 9:20:44 PM
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At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

Yes religion should be taught in schools. It is a major part of human society. However, no particular religion should be taught as fact.
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11/26/2016 9:31:18 PM
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At 11/26/2016 9:20:44 PM, janesix wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

Yes religion should be taught in schools. It is a major part of human society. However, no particular religion should be taught as fact.

I would add, it should also stay out of science classes.
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11/26/2016 9:33:59 PM
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At 11/26/2016 9:31:18 PM, KwLm wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:20:44 PM, janesix wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

Yes religion should be taught in schools. It is a major part of human society. However, no particular religion should be taught as fact.

I would add, it should also stay out of science classes.
I agree.
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11/26/2016 9:38:35 PM
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At 11/26/2016 9:33:59 PM, janesix wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:31:18 PM, KwLm wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:20:44 PM, janesix wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

Yes religion should be taught in schools. It is a major part of human society. However, no particular religion should be taught as fact.

I would add, it should also stay out of science classes.
I agree.

Well...you two have summed up my view. ;-)
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11/26/2016 10:34:47 PM
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At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

I'd agree that if it is to be taught in schools, it should be on a comparitive basis, not with an emphasis on any particular one (although given the vast number, how do we choose which ones to cover?)

Additionally, I think that basic logic and ethics should be mandatory ahead of comparative religion in high schools.
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11/26/2016 10:35:18 PM
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At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

Because they have churches for indoctrinating children.

Schools are for teaching, not indoctrinating.
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11/26/2016 10:50:05 PM
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At 11/26/2016 9:20:44 PM, janesix wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

Yes religion should be taught in schools. It is a major part of human society. However, no particular religion should be taught as fact.

I can agree to this but ONLY if the Pastafarian faith gets equal footing with all other religions.
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11/26/2016 10:53:51 PM
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At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

Sure. I think it would be interesting to teach the beliefs of Mormons, Christians, Muslims and Scientologists and analyze them using critical thought and see how they stack up to the Scientific Method. We would certainly have less theists in this world.

Ask these questions to a 5th grader and see what they say:

1. If your neighbor said a voice in his head told him to build a boat in his back yard and gather up all the animals on the planet (including penguins and koala bears) and keep them on his boat with no fresh water for a year, would you think he is reasonable?

2. If your neighbor said a voice in his head told him to take his son to the top of a hill to stab him to death and burn his body, would you admire his dedication to the voices in his head or would you call the cops?

3. Do you think human sacrifice is an effective method in making you innocent of the bad things you have done?
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11/26/2016 10:58:25 PM
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At 11/26/2016 10:50:05 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:20:44 PM, janesix wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

Yes religion should be taught in schools. It is a major part of human society. However, no particular religion should be taught as fact.

I can agree to this but ONLY if the Pastafarian faith gets equal footing with all other religions.

Of course it would, It's a religion the same as the rest, just with a different god.
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11/26/2016 11:00:14 PM
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At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

No . Or maybe yes . Scientology to I can't spell it, the jew one, all of them .
No , yes , actually , maybe not, we'll probly maybe so. Not I think so. I don't know.

Pass.
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11/26/2016 11:04:04 PM
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At 11/26/2016 10:35:18 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

Because they have churches for indoctrinating children.

Schools are for teaching, not indoctrinating.

Picture the dictionaries flying open with this response.
Teaching , indoctrination.
Can you give us a brief description of indoctrinating, Dan.
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11/26/2016 11:08:18 PM
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At 11/26/2016 9:38:35 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:33:59 PM, janesix wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:31:18 PM, KwLm wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:20:44 PM, janesix wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

Yes religion should be taught in schools. It is a major part of human society. However, no particular religion should be taught as fact.

I would add, it should also stay out of science classes.
I agree.

Well...you two have summed up my view. ;-)

Ditto that.
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11/26/2016 11:09:53 PM
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At 11/26/2016 10:34:47 PM, Skeptical1 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

I'd agree that if it is to be taught in schools, it should be on a comparitive basis, not with an emphasis on any particular one (although given the vast number, how do we choose which ones to cover?)

Additionally, I think that basic logic and ethics should be mandatory ahead of comparative religion in high schools.

Simple how it interpolated in the historical context of that particular chapter.

I'm not in favor of making 'religion' a stand alone subject, instead incorporate it into history.
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11/26/2016 11:13:22 PM
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This subject has far more history than is first let on. In the beginning of our country one could not go to school with out learning Christianity (as fact). It was felt by most to be necessary to bring up a child properly especially when it involved morals.
The odd thing is as time went on it was not the secular interests that pulled religion from the public schools but instead it was the devout. Something about how they didn't want THEIR kids exposed to those false catholic idols or crazy Mormon ideas.
The government would be very much okay for the public schools to teach religion as history, literature, and philosophy. The caution is only on teaching any of them as unquestionable truth (indoctrination). Private schools are free to teach what every they like.
It is clear from numerous communications on the Internet that the secular are all for teaching "about" religion. It is actually the theists that block it.
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11/26/2016 11:13:47 PM
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At 11/26/2016 10:58:25 PM, KwLm wrote:
At 11/26/2016 10:50:05 PM, Silly_Billy wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:20:44 PM, janesix wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

Yes religion should be taught in schools. It is a major part of human society. However, no particular religion should be taught as fact.

I can agree to this but ONLY if the Pastafarian faith gets equal footing with all other religions.

Of course it would, It's a religion the same as the rest, just with a different god.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster will be really pleased to hear that.
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11/26/2016 11:14:06 PM
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At 11/26/2016 11:09:53 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 10:34:47 PM, Skeptical1 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

I'd agree that if it is to be taught in schools, it should be on a comparitive basis, not with an emphasis on any particular one (although given the vast number, how do we choose which ones to cover?)

Additionally, I think that basic logic and ethics should be mandatory ahead of comparative religion in high schools.

Simple how it interpolated in the historical context of that particular chapter.

I'm not in favor of making 'religion' a stand alone subject, instead incorporate it into history.

Yeah, that might work.

My gut response is just "leave it out altogether, we're better off not encouraging it."

But then, kids are going to learn religion in their local churches, synagogues, mosques, temples or whatever. Maybe it is better that they see that what they've been spoon fed since birth isn't the only flavour around.
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11/26/2016 11:25:07 PM
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At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

Civilised society has marched on well beyond indoctrinating impressional kids with mythological, non-sensical garbage.

Apart from mentioning religion in its proper context of ruthless mind control over the weak, the gullible and the impressionable in has absolutely no place in educating young minds.
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11/26/2016 11:44:30 PM
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At 11/26/2016 11:14:06 PM, Skeptical1 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:09:53 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 10:34:47 PM, Skeptical1 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

I'd agree that if it is to be taught in schools, it should be on a comparitive basis, not with an emphasis on any particular one (although given the vast number, how do we choose which ones to cover?)

Additionally, I think that basic logic and ethics should be mandatory ahead of comparative religion in high schools.

Simple how it interpolated in the historical context of that particular chapter.

I'm not in favor of making 'religion' a stand alone subject, instead incorporate it into history.

Yeah, that might work.

My gut response is just "leave it out altogether, we're better off not encouraging it."

But then, kids are going to learn religion in their local churches, synagogues, mosques, temples or whatever. Maybe it is better that they see that what they've been spoon fed since birth isn't the only flavour around.

Religion is integral to history. How can arab expansion leading to Byzantine fall be taught by omitting Islam? How can Chinese imperial history be taught without divine mandate?

I understand others 'fear' on indoctrination. I say they are irrational and harming children by not teaching history. (I truncated examples, you know I can link forever).

None of that is saying perform a hajj, or teach the rosary, practice bar mitzvah rituals, or perform ablution rituals. But religion and history are inexorably linked and 'fear of indoctrination' is as silly as teaching man walked with dinosaurs.

Yes I live an hour and a half from the ark and creation museum. Lol
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11/26/2016 11:53:07 PM
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At 11/26/2016 11:44:30 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:14:06 PM, Skeptical1 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:09:53 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 10:34:47 PM, Skeptical1 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

I'd agree that if it is to be taught in schools, it should be on a comparitive basis, not with an emphasis on any particular one (although given the vast number, how do we choose which ones to cover?)

Additionally, I think that basic logic and ethics should be mandatory ahead of comparative religion in high schools.

Simple how it interpolated in the historical context of that particular chapter.

I'm not in favor of making 'religion' a stand alone subject, instead incorporate it into history.

Yeah, that might work.

My gut response is just "leave it out altogether, we're better off not encouraging it."

But then, kids are going to learn religion in their local churches, synagogues, mosques, temples or whatever. Maybe it is better that they see that what they've been spoon fed since birth isn't the only flavour around.

Religion is integral to history. How can arab expansion leading to Byzantine fall be taught by omitting Islam? How can Chinese imperial history be taught without divine mandate?

I understand others 'fear' on indoctrination. I say they are irrational and harming children by not teaching history. (I truncated examples, you know I can link forever).

None of that is saying perform a hajj, or teach the rosary, practice bar mitzvah rituals, or perform ablution rituals. But religion and history are inexorably linked and 'fear of indoctrination' is as silly as teaching man walked with dinosaurs.

Yes I live an hour and a half from the ark and creation museum. Lol

Lucky you! lol

No question if you visit there you'll be interacting with dinosaurs :)
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11/26/2016 11:53:20 PM
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At 11/26/2016 11:25:07 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

Civilised society has marched on well beyond indoctrinating impressional kids with mythological, non-sensical garbage.

Apart from mentioning religion in its proper context of ruthless mind control over the weak, the gullible and the impressionable in has absolutely no place in educating young minds.

Historical figures like mother Theresa, the Red Cross and crescent, the third pillar of Islam in giving 5% of earnings or service to the poor are just terrible.

Jiminy crickets when people jump from rational to irrational.
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11/26/2016 11:59:35 PM
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At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

Response: if science fiction such as evolution and dinosaurs is allowed to be taught, then there is no logical reason why religion should not be taught as well.
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11/27/2016
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At 11/26/2016 11:53:07 PM, Skeptical1 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:44:30 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:14:06 PM, Skeptical1 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:09:53 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 10:34:47 PM, Skeptical1 wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

I'd agree that if it is to be taught in schools, it should be on a comparitive basis, not with an emphasis on any particular one (although given the vast number, how do we choose which ones to cover?)

Additionally, I think that basic logic and ethics should be mandatory ahead of comparative religion in high schools.

Simple how it interpolated in the historical context of that particular chapter.

I'm not in favor of making 'religion' a stand alone subject, instead incorporate it into history.

Yeah, that might work.

My gut response is just "leave it out altogether, we're better off not encouraging it."

But then, kids are going to learn religion in their local churches, synagogues, mosques, temples or whatever. Maybe it is better that they see that what they've been spoon fed since birth isn't the only flavour around.

Religion is integral to history. How can arab expansion leading to Byzantine fall be taught by omitting Islam? How can Chinese imperial history be taught without divine mandate?

I understand others 'fear' on indoctrination. I say they are irrational and harming children by not teaching history. (I truncated examples, you know I can link forever).

None of that is saying perform a hajj, or teach the rosary, practice bar mitzvah rituals, or perform ablution rituals. But religion and history are inexorably linked and 'fear of indoctrination' is as silly as teaching man walked with dinosaurs.

Yes I live an hour and a half from the ark and creation museum. Lol

Lucky you! lol

No question if you visit there you'll be interacting with dinosaurs :)

Louisvilles not bad. Lot of stuff going on. Except for leading the country in heroin ods. It's a pretty progressive town. Those museums are closer to cincy than me. But honestly, it's helping state and their local tax revenues and they need it! Lou is pretty well off. Lex too. The rest of the state is poor.
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11/27/2016 2:12:30 AM
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At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

NO,No,No. religion is a personal manner. In a secular society, it belongs in the family, not the public. Private religious schools are a different matter.
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11/27/2016 3:06:59 AM
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At 11/26/2016 11:00:14 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

No . Or maybe yes . Scientology to I can't spell it, the jew one, all of them .
No , yes , actually , maybe not, we'll probly maybe so. Not I think so. I don't know.

Pass.

How about some shamanism? You get instant results and sometimes their bad but either way you're having a whole lot of fun. Can't go wrong with that. I'm sliding through wormholes. It's fun for the whole family. Unless you hate rollercoasters. Who hates rollercoasters anyways. Not me. Black and white checkered wormholes is scary fun. Take a ride deep inside the twisted mind of duality.
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11/27/2016 3:13:55 AM
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At 11/27/2016 2:12:30 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

NO,No,No. religion is a personal manner. In a secular society, it belongs in the family, not the public. Private religious schools are a different matter.

That brings into question tax money paying to teach evolution. If evolution is a fact that may someday get proven, maybe that becomes the day you can rightfully use public money to teach it. Until then, teach two sides to the story. Problem solved. One one story gets proven, teach only that story.
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11/27/2016 9:05:44 AM
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At 11/26/2016 11:25:07 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

Civilised society has marched on well beyond indoctrinating impressional kids with mythological, non-sensical garbage.

Apart from mentioning religion in its proper context of ruthless mind control over the weak, the gullible and the impressionable in has absolutely no place in educating young minds.

Completely biased answer. There is nothing wrong with teaching religion so long as they aren't forced to follow one.
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11/27/2016 9:11:56 AM
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At 11/27/2016 2:12:30 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

NO,No,No. religion is a personal manner. In a secular society, it belongs in the family, not the public. Private religious schools are a different matter.

Is it wrong to teach religion? No one is forcing these kids to pick one of these religions. Hell, they can just take whatever morals or concepts they like from different religions. That way, they create their OWN beliefs and morals.
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What if I were to tell you that humans have false logic? Prepare for confusion.

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11/27/2016 9:29:19 AM
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At 11/26/2016 10:35:18 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

Because they have churches for indoctrinating children.

Schools are for teaching, not indoctrinating.

I would rather have kids learn a variety of religions than be forced to believe one as fact. I can ensure you, schools will never (other than private religious ones) force a student to pick one and will more than likely teach about multiple religions.

Your answer promotes ignorance. You're pretty much saying that it's better for kids to learn about only one religion from churches rather than learning multiple religions from a school. The latter at least gives kids the opportunity to choose their own, question them, or if they don't want to follow one, they can at least take concepts from each of them.
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What if I were to tell you that humans have false logic? Prepare for confusion.

-.-- --- ..- / ... .... --- ..- .-.. -.. / .... .- ...- . / -. --- - / - .-. .- -. ... .-.. .- - . -.. / - .... .. ... .-.-.- .-.-.- .-.-.-

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11/27/2016 11:02:48 AM
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At 11/27/2016 9:05:44 AM, imperialchimp wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:25:07 PM, Willows wrote:
At 11/26/2016 9:13:01 PM, Forever23 wrote:
Should religion be taught in schools? Why or why not?

Civilised society has marched on well beyond indoctrinating impressional kids with mythological, non-sensical garbage.

Apart from mentioning religion in its proper context of ruthless mind control over the weak, the gullible and the impressionable in has absolutely no place in educating young minds.

Completely biased answer. There is nothing wrong with teaching religion so long as they aren't forced to follow one.

And do you think for a moment that uttering the word "saved" is not forcing (by fear and guilt) young kids into following religion?

Give us a break. There is everything wrong with plying children with guilt, fear, discrimination, and hatred. Religion dishes it up by the bucket load.