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11/27/2016 5:20:36 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
It's old news I know.
So let's bring it up.

A quick recap.
24th Sep 2015

At least 717 people have been crushed to death, and hundreds of others hurt in a stampede of pilgrims in one of the worst incidents in years to hit the Muslim Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
The pilgrims " gather " to cast stones at three pillars, to symbolize Satan .
And as we all know . When you chuck your rocks at the pillars. Front and center is the place to be.
The rush for this prime position crushed hundreds to death.
Most unfortunate.
I can see this happening at a concert or a sporting event it's understandable.

But not doing a normal act in life like,
Throwing rocks at pillars/wall to symbolize the stoning of Satan.
Really to be fair , it's only common sense that They have to organize a way to do this , as so everyone gets a real good spot to chuck their rock from.

You can see where I'm going with this hey ?
No need for a comment, it's just in case you forgot about it.
Sorry about the bad spelling.
Good game
Good game
uncung
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11/27/2016 5:38:21 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/27/2016 5:20:36 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
It's old news I know.
So let's bring it up.

A quick recap.
24th Sep 2015

At least 717 people have been crushed to death, and hundreds of others hurt in a stampede of pilgrims in one of the worst incidents in years to hit the Muslim Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
The pilgrims " gather " to cast stones at three pillars, to symbolize Satan .
And as we all know . When you chuck your rocks at the pillars. Front and center is the place to be.
The rush for this prime position crushed hundreds to death.
Most unfortunate.
I can see this happening at a concert or a sporting event it's understandable.

But not doing a normal act in life like,
Throwing rocks at pillars/wall to symbolize the stoning of Satan.
Really to be fair , it's only common sense that They have to organize a way to do this , as so everyone gets a real good spot to chuck their rock from.


You can see where I'm going with this hey ?
No need for a comment, it's just in case you forgot about it.
Sorry about the bad spelling.
Good game
Good game

what should we do now?
DanneJeRusse
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11/27/2016 5:42:36 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/27/2016 5:38:21 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:20:36 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
It's old news I know.
So let's bring it up.

A quick recap.
24th Sep 2015

At least 717 people have been crushed to death, and hundreds of others hurt in a stampede of pilgrims in one of the worst incidents in years to hit the Muslim Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
The pilgrims " gather " to cast stones at three pillars, to symbolize Satan .
And as we all know . When you chuck your rocks at the pillars. Front and center is the place to be.
The rush for this prime position crushed hundreds to death.
Most unfortunate.
I can see this happening at a concert or a sporting event it's understandable.

But not doing a normal act in life like,
Throwing rocks at pillars/wall to symbolize the stoning of Satan.
Really to be fair , it's only common sense that They have to organize a way to do this , as so everyone gets a real good spot to chuck their rock from.


You can see where I'm going with this hey ?
No need for a comment, it's just in case you forgot about it.
Sorry about the bad spelling.
Good game
Good game

what should we do now?

Grow up and be civilized?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
Deb-8-A-Bull
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11/27/2016 5:46:22 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/27/2016 5:38:21 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:20:36 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
It's old news I know.
So let's bring it up.

A quick recap.
24th Sep 2015

At least 717 people have been crushed to death, and hundreds of others hurt in a stampede of pilgrims in one of the worst incidents in years to hit the Muslim Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
The pilgrims " gather " to cast stones at three pillars, to symbolize Satan .
And as we all know . When you chuck your rocks at the pillars. Front and center is the place to be.
The rush for this prime position crushed hundreds to death.
Most unfortunate.
I can see this happening at a concert or a sporting event it's understandable.

But not doing a normal act in life like,
Throwing rocks at pillars/wall to symbolize the stoning of Satan.
Really to be fair , it's only common sense that They have to organize a way to do this , as so everyone gets a real good spot to chuck their rock from.


You can see where I'm going with this hey ?
No need for a comment, it's just in case you forgot about it.
Sorry about the bad spelling.
Good game
Good game

what should we do now?

Well me personally.
I would like to think of a way so this doesn't happen again.
As you know it wasn't on this year .
That's a whole year without chucking the rocks at the walls.
It's simply not fair.
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11/27/2016 5:46:36 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
I think we humans should study our own mob mentality and behavior more carefully. Because I think there are some aspects to this phenomena that transfer to other very destructive social behaviors that seem to occur only when humans are acting en masse.
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11/27/2016 5:49:09 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/27/2016 5:42:36 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:38:21 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:20:36 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
It's old news I know.
So let's bring it up.

A quick recap.
24th Sep 2015

At least 717 people have been crushed to death, and hundreds of others hurt in a stampede of pilgrims in one of the worst incidents in years to hit the Muslim Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
The pilgrims " gather " to cast stones at three pillars, to symbolize Satan .
And as we all know . When you chuck your rocks at the pillars. Front and center is the place to be.
The rush for this prime position crushed hundreds to death.
Most unfortunate.
I can see this happening at a concert or a sporting event it's understandable.

But not doing a normal act in life like,
Throwing rocks at pillars/wall to symbolize the stoning of Satan.
Really to be fair , it's only common sense that They have to organize a way to do this , as so everyone gets a real good spot to chuck their rock from.


You can see where I'm going with this hey ?
No need for a comment, it's just in case you forgot about it.
Sorry about the bad spelling.
Good game
Good game

what should we do now?

Grow up and be civilized?

what about you? are you growing up and be civilized?
uncung
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11/27/2016 5:50:53 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/27/2016 5:46:22 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:38:21 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:20:36 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
It's old news I know.
So let's bring it up.

A quick recap.
24th Sep 2015

At least 717 people have been crushed to death, and hundreds of others hurt in a stampede of pilgrims in one of the worst incidents in years to hit the Muslim Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
The pilgrims " gather " to cast stones at three pillars, to symbolize Satan .
And as we all know . When you chuck your rocks at the pillars. Front and center is the place to be.
The rush for this prime position crushed hundreds to death.
Most unfortunate.
I can see this happening at a concert or a sporting event it's understandable.

But not doing a normal act in life like,
Throwing rocks at pillars/wall to symbolize the stoning of Satan.
Really to be fair , it's only common sense that They have to organize a way to do this , as so everyone gets a real good spot to chuck their rock from.


You can see where I'm going with this hey ?
No need for a comment, it's just in case you forgot about it.
Sorry about the bad spelling.
Good game
Good game

what should we do now?

Well me personally.
I would like to think of a way so this doesn't happen again.
As you know it wasn't on this year .
That's a whole year without chucking the rocks at the walls.
It's simply not fair.

maybe they, the authority, already learnt how to organize the pilgrim more safely.
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11/27/2016 5:55:47 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/27/2016 5:50:53 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:46:22 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:38:21 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:20:36 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
It's old news I know.
So let's bring it up.

A quick recap.
24th Sep 2015

At least 717 people have been crushed to death, and hundreds of others hurt in a stampede of pilgrims in one of the worst incidents in years to hit the Muslim Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
The pilgrims " gather " to cast stones at three pillars, to symbolize Satan .
And as we all know . When you chuck your rocks at the pillars. Front and center is the place to be.
The rush for this prime position crushed hundreds to death.
Most unfortunate.
I can see this happening at a concert or a sporting event it's understandable.

But not doing a normal act in life like,
Throwing rocks at pillars/wall to symbolize the stoning of Satan.
Really to be fair , it's only common sense that They have to organize a way to do this , as so everyone gets a real good spot to chuck their rock from.


You can see where I'm going with this hey ?
No need for a comment, it's just in case you forgot about it.
Sorry about the bad spelling.
Good game
Good game

what should we do now?

Well me personally.
I would like to think of a way so this doesn't happen again.
As you know it wasn't on this year .
That's a whole year without chucking the rocks at the walls.
It's simply not fair.

maybe they, the authority, already learnt how to organize the pilgrim more safely.

I hope so.
See I'm a younger buck , I can like launch my rocks from 10 to 15 rows back. Easily making it there.
But we can't have the elderly and the handicapped folks launching from any more then 3 rows from the front.
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11/27/2016 6:07:56 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
I can't see why this is in the religion forum. Stampedes are a problem wherever there are crowds.
https://en.wikipedia.org...

One of the problems with religion is that it makes it hard to do what is rational - but that's nothing new. I'm sure the Saudis do what they can to prevent such problems. but the sheer numbers and logistics make more of the same a certainty.
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11/27/2016 6:09:36 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
God would not of been impressed at all watching this chaos unfolding .
I hope he can forgive.
I'm not sure if muslums are even allowed to be crushed to death. But I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be considered a sin.
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11/27/2016 6:13:55 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/27/2016 6:07:56 PM, keithprosser wrote:
I can't see why this is in the religion forum. Stampedes are a problem wherever there are crowds.
https://en.wikipedia.org...

One of the problems with religion is that it makes it hard to do what is rational - but that's nothing new. I'm sure the Saudis do what they can to prevent such problems. but the sheer numbers and logistics make more of the same a certainty.

Well stampedes in sports would go in the sports forum
Music concert crushes in the entertainment or society
Religious group stampede , religion .
And it's not like muslums talk in any other forums
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11/27/2016 6:21:10 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/27/2016 5:49:09 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:42:36 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:38:21 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:20:36 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
It's old news I know.
So let's bring it up.

A quick recap.
24th Sep 2015

At least 717 people have been crushed to death, and hundreds of others hurt in a stampede of pilgrims in one of the worst incidents in years to hit the Muslim Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
The pilgrims " gather " to cast stones at three pillars, to symbolize Satan .
And as we all know . When you chuck your rocks at the pillars. Front and center is the place to be.
The rush for this prime position crushed hundreds to death.
Most unfortunate.
I can see this happening at a concert or a sporting event it's understandable.

But not doing a normal act in life like,
Throwing rocks at pillars/wall to symbolize the stoning of Satan.
Really to be fair , it's only common sense that They have to organize a way to do this , as so everyone gets a real good spot to chuck their rock from.


You can see where I'm going with this hey ?
No need for a comment, it's just in case you forgot about it.
Sorry about the bad spelling.
Good game
Good game

what should we do now?

Grow up and be civilized?

what about you? are you growing up and be civilized?

I don't follow childish insane rituals of throwing rocks at walls and crushing people to death, that's for barbaric, violent idiots.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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11/28/2016 3:40:59 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/27/2016 6:21:10 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:49:09 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:42:36 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:38:21 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:20:36 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
It's old news I know.
So let's bring it up.

A quick recap.
24th Sep 2015

At least 717 people have been crushed to death, and hundreds of others hurt in a stampede of pilgrims in one of the worst incidents in years to hit the Muslim Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
The pilgrims " gather " to cast stones at three pillars, to symbolize Satan .
And as we all know . When you chuck your rocks at the pillars. Front and center is the place to be.
The rush for this prime position crushed hundreds to death.
Most unfortunate.
I can see this happening at a concert or a sporting event it's understandable.

But not doing a normal act in life like,
Throwing rocks at pillars/wall to symbolize the stoning of Satan.
Really to be fair , it's only common sense that They have to organize a way to do this , as so everyone gets a real good spot to chuck their rock from.


You can see where I'm going with this hey ?
No need for a comment, it's just in case you forgot about it.
Sorry about the bad spelling.
Good game
Good game

what should we do now?

Grow up and be civilized?

what about you? are you growing up and be civilized?

I don't follow childish insane rituals of throwing rocks at walls and crushing people to death, that's for barbaric, violent idiots.

Why don't you follow that childish insane rituals?
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11/28/2016 3:45:18 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/27/2016 5:55:47 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:50:53 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:46:22 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:38:21 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:20:36 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
It's old news I know.
So let's bring it up.

A quick recap.
24th Sep 2015

At least 717 people have been crushed to death, and hundreds of others hurt in a stampede of pilgrims in one of the worst incidents in years to hit the Muslim Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
The pilgrims " gather " to cast stones at three pillars, to symbolize Satan .
And as we all know . When you chuck your rocks at the pillars. Front and center is the place to be.
The rush for this prime position crushed hundreds to death.
Most unfortunate.
I can see this happening at a concert or a sporting event it's understandable.

But not doing a normal act in life like,
Throwing rocks at pillars/wall to symbolize the stoning of Satan.
Really to be fair , it's only common sense that They have to organize a way to do this , as so everyone gets a real good spot to chuck their rock from.


You can see where I'm going with this hey ?
No need for a comment, it's just in case you forgot about it.
Sorry about the bad spelling.
Good game
Good game

what should we do now?

Well me personally.
I would like to think of a way so this doesn't happen again.
As you know it wasn't on this year .
That's a whole year without chucking the rocks at the walls.
It's simply not fair.

maybe they, the authority, already learnt how to organize the pilgrim more safely.

I hope so.
See I'm a younger buck , I can like launch my rocks from 10 to 15 rows back. Easily making it there.
But we can't have the elderly and the handicapped folks launching from any more then 3 rows from the front.

The elder participants able to choose the quite time. They may launch in the evening for instance. I, in my case, launched in the morning, and everything was ok.
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11/28/2016 4:05:55 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/27/2016 5:20:36 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
It's old news I know.
So let's bring it up.

A quick recap.
24th Sep 2015

At least 717 people have been crushed to death, and hundreds of others hurt in a stampede of pilgrims in one of the worst incidents in years to hit the Muslim Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
The pilgrims " gather " to cast stones at three pillars, to symbolize Satan .
And as we all know . When you chuck your rocks at the pillars. Front and center is the place to be.
The rush for this prime position crushed hundreds to death.
Most unfortunate.
I can see this happening at a concert or a sporting event it's understandable.

But not doing a normal act in life like,
Throwing rocks at pillars/wall to symbolize the stoning of Satan.
Really to be fair , it's only common sense that They have to organize a way to do this , as so everyone gets a real good spot to chuck their rock from.


You can see where I'm going with this hey ?
No need for a comment, it's just in case you forgot about it.
Sorry about the bad spelling.
Good game
Good game

that was purposefully planned.

the new king of Saudi Arabia, chose his nephew as the crown prince and give the position of Secretary of War to his son.
one of the duties of the crown prince is organizing Hajj.
he also started a battle with Yemen, and since his son is the Secretary of War, he was hoping to achieve a fast victory and therefor make his son look Good.
he also planned that "stampede" incident in a way that would make the crown prince look bad.
those Muslims who died, were lead to a route that was purposefully closed off.

Hajj has been going on for more than 1400 years, but only since Saudi Regime has taken control of that country, we're seeing these incidents.

and actually, that was the second major accident that year for Hajj pilgrims, after a construction crane collapsed on September 11 at Mecca's Grand Mosque, Islam's holiest site, killing 109 people, including many foreigners.

a crane collapsed on 9/11 (holy numbers for Freemasons), now, isn't that something?
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11/28/2016 6:02:16 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/28/2016 4:05:55 AM, lightseeker wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:20:36 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
It's old news I know.
So let's bring it up.

A quick recap.
24th Sep 2015

At least 717 people have been crushed to death, and hundreds of others hurt in a stampede of pilgrims in one of the worst incidents in years to hit the Muslim Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
The pilgrims " gather " to cast stones at three pillars, to symbolize Satan .
And as we all know . When you chuck your rocks at the pillars. Front and center is the place to be.
The rush for this prime position crushed hundreds to death.
Most unfortunate.
I can see this happening at a concert or a sporting event it's understandable.

But not doing a normal act in life like,
Throwing rocks at pillars/wall to symbolize the stoning of Satan.
Really to be fair , it's only common sense that They have to organize a way to do this , as so everyone gets a real good spot to chuck their rock from.


You can see where I'm going with this hey ?
No need for a comment, it's just in case you forgot about it.
Sorry about the bad spelling.
Good game
Good game

that was purposefully planned.

the new king of Saudi Arabia, chose his nephew as the crown prince and give the position of Secretary of War to his son.
one of the duties of the crown prince is organizing Hajj.
he also started a battle with Yemen, and since his son is the Secretary of War, he was hoping to achieve a fast victory and therefor make his son look Good.
he also planned that "stampede" incident in a way that would make the crown prince look bad.
those Muslims who died, were lead to a route that was purposefully closed off.

Hajj has been going on for more than 1400 years, but only since Saudi Regime has taken control of that country, we're seeing these incidents.

and actually, that was the second major accident that year for Hajj pilgrims, after a construction crane collapsed on September 11 at Mecca's Grand Mosque, Islam's holiest site, killing 109 people, including many foreigners.

a crane collapsed on 9/11 (holy numbers for Freemasons), now, isn't that something?
Yeah when Mecca wasn't in Arabia it never had these problems.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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11/28/2016 6:19:10 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/28/2016 4:05:55 AM, lightseeker wrote:
Hajj has been going on for more than 1400 years, but only since Saudi Regime has taken control of that country, we're seeing these incidents.

It's all down to numbers.

http://factsanddetails.com...
"The huge numbers posted these days are a relatively recent phenomena. Only 50,000 people did the Hajj in 1950. About 300,000 did it in 1965; and 400,000 did it in 1975. In the 2000s, between 2 million and 2.5 million pilgrims from up to 160 nations have taken part each year. There were 1.8 million including 1.3 million foreigners in 2001; 2.04 million in 2003; and around 2 million in 2004 . A record 2.56 million, including 1.53 million foreigners, did the Hajj in 2005."

The increasing availabiity of cheap air travel is probably the biggest factor.
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11/28/2016 2:13:20 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/28/2016 6:19:10 AM, keithprosser wrote:
At 11/28/2016 4:05:55 AM, lightseeker wrote:
Hajj has been going on for more than 1400 years, but only since Saudi Regime has taken control of that country, we're seeing these incidents.

It's all down to numbers.

http://factsanddetails.com...
"The huge numbers posted these days are a relatively recent phenomena. Only 50,000 people did the Hajj in 1950. About 300,000 did it in 1965; and 400,000 did it in 1975. In the 2000s, between 2 million and 2.5 million pilgrims from up to 160 nations have taken part each year. There were 1.8 million including 1.3 million foreigners in 2001; 2.04 million in 2003; and around 2 million in 2004 . A record 2.56 million, including 1.53 million foreigners, did the Hajj in 2005."

The increasing availabiity of cheap air travel is probably the biggest factor.

If this was a video game where I have no empathy for my characters I'd probably think of this as a game glitch or something. Like what the heck are these guys throwing rocks for? Oh my goodness they are going crazy! The rocks make them crazy!

Alas, it isn't a game and the story sucks.
Wisdom is found where the wise seek it.
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11/28/2016 2:42:25 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/28/2016 3:40:59 AM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 6:21:10 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:49:09 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:42:36 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:38:21 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:20:36 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
It's old news I know.
So let's bring it up.

A quick recap.
24th Sep 2015

At least 717 people have been crushed to death, and hundreds of others hurt in a stampede of pilgrims in one of the worst incidents in years to hit the Muslim Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
The pilgrims " gather " to cast stones at three pillars, to symbolize Satan .
And as we all know . When you chuck your rocks at the pillars. Front and center is the place to be.
The rush for this prime position crushed hundreds to death.
Most unfortunate.
I can see this happening at a concert or a sporting event it's understandable.

But not doing a normal act in life like,
Throwing rocks at pillars/wall to symbolize the stoning of Satan.
Really to be fair , it's only common sense that They have to organize a way to do this , as so everyone gets a real good spot to chuck their rock from.


You can see where I'm going with this hey ?
No need for a comment, it's just in case you forgot about it.
Sorry about the bad spelling.
Good game
Good game

what should we do now?

Grow up and be civilized?

what about you? are you growing up and be civilized?

I don't follow childish insane rituals of throwing rocks at walls and crushing people to death, that's for barbaric, violent idiots.

Why don't you follow that childish insane rituals?

The bigger question is why do you?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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11/28/2016 3:32:51 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/28/2016 2:42:25 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 3:40:59 AM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 6:21:10 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:49:09 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:42:36 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:38:21 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:20:36 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
It's old news I know.
So let's bring it up.

A quick recap.
24th Sep 2015

At least 717 people have been crushed to death, and hundreds of others hurt in a stampede of pilgrims in one of the worst incidents in years to hit the Muslim Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
The pilgrims " gather " to cast stones at three pillars, to symbolize Satan .
And as we all know . When you chuck your rocks at the pillars. Front and center is the place to be.
The rush for this prime position crushed hundreds to death.
Most unfortunate.
I can see this happening at a concert or a sporting event it's understandable.

But not doing a normal act in life like,
Throwing rocks at pillars/wall to symbolize the stoning of Satan.
Really to be fair , it's only common sense that They have to organize a way to do this , as so everyone gets a real good spot to chuck their rock from.


You can see where I'm going with this hey ?
No need for a comment, it's just in case you forgot about it.
Sorry about the bad spelling.
Good game
Good game

what should we do now?

Grow up and be civilized?

what about you? are you growing up and be civilized?

I don't follow childish insane rituals of throwing rocks at walls and crushing people to death, that's for barbaric, violent idiots.

Why don't you follow that childish insane rituals?

The bigger question is why do you?

Because it is a true religion. It can delivers us to obtain salvation and paradise in hereafter. very simple.
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11/28/2016 3:48:13 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/28/2016 3:32:51 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/28/2016 2:42:25 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 3:40:59 AM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 6:21:10 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:49:09 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:42:36 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:38:21 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:20:36 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
It's old news I know.
So let's bring it up.

A quick recap.
24th Sep 2015

At least 717 people have been crushed to death, and hundreds of others hurt in a stampede of pilgrims in one of the worst incidents in years to hit the Muslim Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
The pilgrims " gather " to cast stones at three pillars, to symbolize Satan .
And as we all know . When you chuck your rocks at the pillars. Front and center is the place to be.
The rush for this prime position crushed hundreds to death.
Most unfortunate.
I can see this happening at a concert or a sporting event it's understandable.

But not doing a normal act in life like,
Throwing rocks at pillars/wall to symbolize the stoning of Satan.
Really to be fair , it's only common sense that They have to organize a way to do this , as so everyone gets a real good spot to chuck their rock from.


You can see where I'm going with this hey ?
No need for a comment, it's just in case you forgot about it.
Sorry about the bad spelling.
Good game
Good game

what should we do now?

Grow up and be civilized?

what about you? are you growing up and be civilized?

I don't follow childish insane rituals of throwing rocks at walls and crushing people to death, that's for barbaric, violent idiots.

Why don't you follow that childish insane rituals?

The bigger question is why do you?

Because it is a true religion.

I would never follow a religion, true or not that is barbaric and violent, that causes people to be crushed to death because they want to throw rocks at walls. One would have to be insane to follow such stupidity.

It can delivers us to obtain salvation and paradise in hereafter. very simple.

Very stupid and selfish.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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11/28/2016 4:03:58 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/28/2016 3:48:13 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 3:32:51 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/28/2016 2:42:25 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 3:40:59 AM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 6:21:10 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:49:09 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:42:36 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:38:21 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:20:36 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
It's old news I know.
So let's bring it up.

A quick recap.
24th Sep 2015

At least 717 people have been crushed to death, and hundreds of others hurt in a stampede of pilgrims in one of the worst incidents in years to hit the Muslim Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
The pilgrims " gather " to cast stones at three pillars, to symbolize Satan .
And as we all know . When you chuck your rocks at the pillars. Front and center is the place to be.
The rush for this prime position crushed hundreds to death.
Most unfortunate.
I can see this happening at a concert or a sporting event it's understandable.

But not doing a normal act in life like,
Throwing rocks at pillars/wall to symbolize the stoning of Satan.
Really to be fair , it's only common sense that They have to organize a way to do this , as so everyone gets a real good spot to chuck their rock from.


You can see where I'm going with this hey ?
No need for a comment, it's just in case you forgot about it.
Sorry about the bad spelling.
Good game
Good game

what should we do now?

Grow up and be civilized?

what about you? are you growing up and be civilized?

I don't follow childish insane rituals of throwing rocks at walls and crushing people to death, that's for barbaric, violent idiots.

Why don't you follow that childish insane rituals?

The bigger question is why do you?

Because it is a true religion.

I would never follow a religion, true or not that is barbaric and violent, that causes people to be crushed to death because they want to throw rocks at walls. One would have to be insane to follow such stupidity.

It can delivers us to obtain salvation and paradise in hereafter. very simple.

Very stupid and selfish.

It is up to you, we have a choice. However the consequence of not following my religion is hell. Are you ready to go to hell?
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11/28/2016 4:09:26 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/28/2016 4:03:58 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/28/2016 3:48:13 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 3:32:51 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/28/2016 2:42:25 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 3:40:59 AM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 6:21:10 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:49:09 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:42:36 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:38:21 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:20:36 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
It's old news I know.
So let's bring it up.

A quick recap.
24th Sep 2015

At least 717 people have been crushed to death, and hundreds of others hurt in a stampede of pilgrims in one of the worst incidents in years to hit the Muslim Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
The pilgrims " gather " to cast stones at three pillars, to symbolize Satan .
And as we all know . When you chuck your rocks at the pillars. Front and center is the place to be.
The rush for this prime position crushed hundreds to death.
Most unfortunate.
I can see this happening at a concert or a sporting event it's understandable.

But not doing a normal act in life like,
Throwing rocks at pillars/wall to symbolize the stoning of Satan.
Really to be fair , it's only common sense that They have to organize a way to do this , as so everyone gets a real good spot to chuck their rock from.


You can see where I'm going with this hey ?
No need for a comment, it's just in case you forgot about it.
Sorry about the bad spelling.
Good game
Good game

what should we do now?

Grow up and be civilized?

what about you? are you growing up and be civilized?

I don't follow childish insane rituals of throwing rocks at walls and crushing people to death, that's for barbaric, violent idiots.

Why don't you follow that childish insane rituals?

The bigger question is why do you?

Because it is a true religion.

I would never follow a religion, true or not that is barbaric and violent, that causes people to be crushed to death because they want to throw rocks at walls. One would have to be insane to follow such stupidity.

It can delivers us to obtain salvation and paradise in hereafter. very simple.

Very stupid and selfish.

It is up to you, we have a choice. However the consequence of not following my religion is hell. Are you ready to go to hell?

Your religion IS hell.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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11/28/2016 4:17:54 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/28/2016 4:09:26 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 4:03:58 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/28/2016 3:48:13 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 3:32:51 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/28/2016 2:42:25 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 3:40:59 AM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 6:21:10 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:49:09 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:42:36 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:38:21 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:20:36 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
It's old news I know.
So let's bring it up.

A quick recap.
24th Sep 2015

At least 717 people have been crushed to death, and hundreds of others hurt in a stampede of pilgrims in one of the worst incidents in years to hit the Muslim Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
The pilgrims " gather " to cast stones at three pillars, to symbolize Satan .
And as we all know . When you chuck your rocks at the pillars. Front and center is the place to be.
The rush for this prime position crushed hundreds to death.
Most unfortunate.
I can see this happening at a concert or a sporting event it's understandable.

But not doing a normal act in life like,
Throwing rocks at pillars/wall to symbolize the stoning of Satan.
Really to be fair , it's only common sense that They have to organize a way to do this , as so everyone gets a real good spot to chuck their rock from.


You can see where I'm going with this hey ?
No need for a comment, it's just in case you forgot about it.
Sorry about the bad spelling.
Good game
Good game

what should we do now?

Grow up and be civilized?

what about you? are you growing up and be civilized?

I don't follow childish insane rituals of throwing rocks at walls and crushing people to death, that's for barbaric, violent idiots.

Why don't you follow that childish insane rituals?

The bigger question is why do you?

Because it is a true religion.

I would never follow a religion, true or not that is barbaric and violent, that causes people to be crushed to death because they want to throw rocks at walls. One would have to be insane to follow such stupidity.

It can delivers us to obtain salvation and paradise in hereafter. very simple.

Very stupid and selfish.

It is up to you, we have a choice. However the consequence of not following my religion is hell. Are you ready to go to hell?

Your religion IS hell.

but we are happy with our religion. How come it is hell?
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11/28/2016 4:29:56 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/28/2016 4:17:54 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/28/2016 4:09:26 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 4:03:58 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/28/2016 3:48:13 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 3:32:51 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/28/2016 2:42:25 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 3:40:59 AM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 6:21:10 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:49:09 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:42:36 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:38:21 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:20:36 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
It's old news I know.
So let's bring it up.

A quick recap.
24th Sep 2015

At least 717 people have been crushed to death, and hundreds of others hurt in a stampede of pilgrims in one of the worst incidents in years to hit the Muslim Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
The pilgrims " gather " to cast stones at three pillars, to symbolize Satan .
And as we all know . When you chuck your rocks at the pillars. Front and center is the place to be.
The rush for this prime position crushed hundreds to death.
Most unfortunate.
I can see this happening at a concert or a sporting event it's understandable.

But not doing a normal act in life like,
Throwing rocks at pillars/wall to symbolize the stoning of Satan.
Really to be fair , it's only common sense that They have to organize a way to do this , as so everyone gets a real good spot to chuck their rock from.


You can see where I'm going with this hey ?
No need for a comment, it's just in case you forgot about it.
Sorry about the bad spelling.
Good game
Good game

what should we do now?

Grow up and be civilized?

what about you? are you growing up and be civilized?

I don't follow childish insane rituals of throwing rocks at walls and crushing people to death, that's for barbaric, violent idiots.

Why don't you follow that childish insane rituals?

The bigger question is why do you?

Because it is a true religion.

I would never follow a religion, true or not that is barbaric and violent, that causes people to be crushed to death because they want to throw rocks at walls. One would have to be insane to follow such stupidity.

It can delivers us to obtain salvation and paradise in hereafter. very simple.

Very stupid and selfish.

It is up to you, we have a choice. However the consequence of not following my religion is hell. Are you ready to go to hell?

Your religion IS hell.

but we are happy with our religion.

Good for you, you're happy to support hatred, oppression, misogyny, violence and ignorance.

How come it is hell?

One simply observes reality.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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11/28/2016 4:36:19 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/28/2016 4:29:56 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 4:17:54 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/28/2016 4:09:26 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 4:03:58 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/28/2016 3:48:13 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 3:32:51 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/28/2016 2:42:25 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 3:40:59 AM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 6:21:10 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:49:09 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:42:36 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:38:21 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:20:36 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
It's old news I know.
So let's bring it up.

A quick recap.
24th Sep 2015

At least 717 people have been crushed to death, and hundreds of others hurt in a stampede of pilgrims in one of the worst incidents in years to hit the Muslim Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
The pilgrims " gather " to cast stones at three pillars, to symbolize Satan .
And as we all know . When you chuck your rocks at the pillars. Front and center is the place to be.
The rush for this prime position crushed hundreds to death.
Most unfortunate.
I can see this happening at a concert or a sporting event it's understandable.

But not doing a normal act in life like,
Throwing rocks at pillars/wall to symbolize the stoning of Satan.
Really to be fair , it's only common sense that They have to organize a way to do this , as so everyone gets a real good spot to chuck their rock from.


You can see where I'm going with this hey ?
No need for a comment, it's just in case you forgot about it.
Sorry about the bad spelling.
Good game
Good game

what should we do now?

Grow up and be civilized?

what about you? are you growing up and be civilized?

I don't follow childish insane rituals of throwing rocks at walls and crushing people to death, that's for barbaric, violent idiots.

Why don't you follow that childish insane rituals?

The bigger question is why do you?

Because it is a true religion.

I would never follow a religion, true or not that is barbaric and violent, that causes people to be crushed to death because they want to throw rocks at walls. One would have to be insane to follow such stupidity.

It can delivers us to obtain salvation and paradise in hereafter. very simple.

Very stupid and selfish.

It is up to you, we have a choice. However the consequence of not following my religion is hell. Are you ready to go to hell?

Your religion IS hell.

but we are happy with our religion.

Good for you, you're happy to support hatred, oppression, misogyny, violence and ignorance.

How come it is hell?

One simply observes reality.

I don't know exactly by your assertion what really you mean hatred, oppression, violence and ignorance. Can you elaborate it?
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11/28/2016 5:00:55 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/28/2016 4:36:19 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/28/2016 4:29:56 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 4:17:54 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/28/2016 4:09:26 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 4:03:58 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/28/2016 3:48:13 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 3:32:51 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/28/2016 2:42:25 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 3:40:59 AM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 6:21:10 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:49:09 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:42:36 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:38:21 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:20:36 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
It's old news I know.
So let's bring it up.

A quick recap.
24th Sep 2015

At least 717 people have been crushed to death, and hundreds of others hurt in a stampede of pilgrims in one of the worst incidents in years to hit the Muslim Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
The pilgrims " gather " to cast stones at three pillars, to symbolize Satan .
And as we all know . When you chuck your rocks at the pillars. Front and center is the place to be.
The rush for this prime position crushed hundreds to death.
Most unfortunate.
I can see this happening at a concert or a sporting event it's understandable.

But not doing a normal act in life like,
Throwing rocks at pillars/wall to symbolize the stoning of Satan.
Really to be fair , it's only common sense that They have to organize a way to do this , as so everyone gets a real good spot to chuck their rock from.


You can see where I'm going with this hey ?
No need for a comment, it's just in case you forgot about it.
Sorry about the bad spelling.
Good game
Good game

what should we do now?

Grow up and be civilized?

what about you? are you growing up and be civilized?

I don't follow childish insane rituals of throwing rocks at walls and crushing people to death, that's for barbaric, violent idiots.

Why don't you follow that childish insane rituals?

The bigger question is why do you?

Because it is a true religion.

I would never follow a religion, true or not that is barbaric and violent, that causes people to be crushed to death because they want to throw rocks at walls. One would have to be insane to follow such stupidity.

It can delivers us to obtain salvation and paradise in hereafter. very simple.

Very stupid and selfish.

It is up to you, we have a choice. However the consequence of not following my religion is hell. Are you ready to go to hell?

Your religion IS hell.

but we are happy with our religion.

Good for you, you're happy to support hatred, oppression, misogyny, violence and ignorance.

How come it is hell?

One simply observes reality.

I don't know exactly by your assertion what really you mean hatred, oppression, violence and ignorance. Can you elaborate it?

I have, and so have others, but you just ignore it.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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11/28/2016 5:02:23 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/28/2016 6:19:10 AM, keithprosser wrote:
At 11/28/2016 4:05:55 AM, lightseeker wrote:
Hajj has been going on for more than 1400 years, but only since Saudi Regime has taken control of that country, we're seeing these incidents.

It's all down to numbers.

http://factsanddetails.com...
"The huge numbers posted these days are a relatively recent phenomena. Only 50,000 people did the Hajj in 1950. About 300,000 did it in 1965; and 400,000 did it in 1975. In the 2000s, between 2 million and 2.5 million pilgrims from up to 160 nations have taken part each year. There were 1.8 million including 1.3 million foreigners in 2001; 2.04 million in 2003; and around 2 million in 2004 . A record 2.56 million, including 1.53 million foreigners, did the Hajj in 2005."

The increasing availabiity of cheap air travel is probably the biggest factor.

nope, numbers don't matter that much. it was planned that way. during Arbaeen, Karbala hosts way more numbers than Mecca during Hajj, but it's planned in a way that not even one person would die from heat or any other controllable reasons.

as I said, it was planned that way.
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11/28/2016 5:14:24 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/28/2016 5:00:55 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 4:36:19 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/28/2016 4:29:56 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 4:17:54 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/28/2016 4:09:26 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 4:03:58 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/28/2016 3:48:13 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 3:32:51 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/28/2016 2:42:25 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/28/2016 3:40:59 AM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 6:21:10 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:49:09 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:42:36 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:38:21 PM, uncung wrote:
At 11/27/2016 5:20:36 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
It's old news I know.
So let's bring it up.

A quick recap.
24th Sep 2015

At least 717 people have been crushed to death, and hundreds of others hurt in a stampede of pilgrims in one of the worst incidents in years to hit the Muslim Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
The pilgrims " gather " to cast stones at three pillars, to symbolize Satan .
And as we all know . When you chuck your rocks at the pillars. Front and center is the place to be.
The rush for this prime position crushed hundreds to death.
Most unfortunate.
I can see this happening at a concert or a sporting event it's understandable.

But not doing a normal act in life like,
Throwing rocks at pillars/wall to symbolize the stoning of Satan.
Really to be fair , it's only common sense that They have to organize a way to do this , as so everyone gets a real good spot to chuck their rock from.


You can see where I'm going with this hey ?
No need for a comment, it's just in case you forgot about it.
Sorry about the bad spelling.
Good game
Good game

what should we do now?

Grow up and be civilized?

what about you? are you growing up and be civilized?

I don't follow childish insane rituals of throwing rocks at walls and crushing people to death, that's for barbaric, violent idiots.

Why don't you follow that childish insane rituals?

The bigger question is why do you?

Because it is a true religion.

I would never follow a religion, true or not that is barbaric and violent, that causes people to be crushed to death because they want to throw rocks at walls. One would have to be insane to follow such stupidity.

It can delivers us to obtain salvation and paradise in hereafter. very simple.

Very stupid and selfish.

It is up to you, we have a choice. However the consequence of not following my religion is hell. Are you ready to go to hell?

Your religion IS hell.

but we are happy with our religion.

Good for you, you're happy to support hatred, oppression, misogyny, violence and ignorance.

How come it is hell?

One simply observes reality.

I don't know exactly by your assertion what really you mean hatred, oppression, violence and ignorance. Can you elaborate it?

I have, and so have others, but you just ignore it.

show me.
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11/28/2016 5:32:07 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/28/2016 5:02:23 PM, lightseeker wrote:
nope, numbers don't matter that much. it was planned that way. during Arbaeen, Karbala hosts way more numbers than Mecca during Hajj, but it's planned in a way that not even one person would die from heat or any other controllable reasons.

as I said, it was planned that way.

Ah, the Shia/Sunni split rears its ugly head.... For non-muslims reading this, Arbaeen is a pilgrimage for Shia Muslims held in Iran. Shia Iran is traditionally mortal enemies with the Sunni Saudis. The tragedy in Mecca was politicised almost as soon as it happened.