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Gentorev
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12/1/2016 8:09:29 PM
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Christianity appears to have divorced Jesus from the world of reality, and chooses to ignore the historical life and times in which he was born and raised. They seem to be more interested in mysteries rather than in reality. Although a practicing Jew, Herod was an Arab, the son of an Edomite, named Antipater and whose mother was the daughter of a nobleman from Petra the capital of the rising Nabataean Kingdom. In 63 BC, Antipater sided with Rome when Pompey invaded Palestine and in 47 BC Julius Caesar whose mistress Cleopatra was to later bear to him a son "Caesarion," appointed Antipater procurator of Judea and bestowed Roman citizenship upon him, an honour that was inherited by the Macedonian"s descendant, "Herod the Great" and his sons.

At the age of 16, Herod met his lifelong friend Mark Antony of Macedonia, to who, in the year of 40 BC, on the 25TH December (An important date to remember) Cleopatra bore the twins whose names are Cleopatra Selene (Moon) and Alexander Helios (Sun) or Heli.

In 37 BC, the Roman senate nominated Herod as the King of Judea, a position he held for 32 years. Even after the defeat by Octavian, (who was to be known as the Emperor Augustus,) over his good friend Mark Antony at Actium (A promontory and ancient town of Macedonia) in 31 BC in their struggle for the throne of the assassinated Julius Caesar, Octavian who knew of Herod"s love and earlier support for his now deceased friend "Mark Antony," never the less knew that Herod was the one who would best rule Palestine as he himself would want it to be ruled, and Herod and Augustus were to later become friends.

During his reign, Herod the Great built many massive fortresses and splendid cities, amphitheatres, and hippodromes for the Grecian games inaugurated in honour of Augustus, but his most grandiose creation was the Temple in Jerusalem. Not only did he patronize the Olympic games, as did his sons, he was to become the president of those games, which, after his death continued to enjoy the support of his sons, Archelaus, Antipas, and his half-brother Philip from Bethsaida who was very popular and accessible to the Greeks. It was to Philip of Bethsaida that the Greeks came, when seeking an audience with Jesus.

Tetrarch, in Greek, means "Ruler of a quarter," Nathanael who was introduced to Jesus by Phillip, lived in the town of Cana where Jesus performed his first miracle at the insistence of his mother, who it would appear had some hand in the organization of the wedding. Herod"s descendants were not only the temporal rulers, but also the spiritual rulers of Palestine or parts thereof during the ministries of John the Baptist and Jesus.

In his youth, Herod had married a woman named Doris, the mother of his first born son "Antipater" who he later disinherited and killed. Because he was of Idumaean/Hittite/Macedonian descent, and hated by the Jews, he attempted to appease them by marrying a Jewess by the name Mariamne, a descendant of the Maccabees family of Jewish patriots, whom he actually loved. Mariamne, who had insisted that her brother be appointed high priest, was the daughter of Salome=Alexandra, an heir from the old ruling Hasmonaean line and she is not to be confused with the niece of Herod Antipas, whose name is THOUGHT to have been "Salome" the daughter of Herodias the wife of Philip the first, (Although many scholars today, are of the firm opinion that there was no Philip1, and Philip2, but only Philip the son of Herod who ruled from Bethsaida) and who was the half-brother to Herod Antipas.

With the support of the Queen of Egypt "Cleopatra", a close friend of the Jewess Salome = Alexandra, (The should have been queen) of the Hasmonaean line which was defeated by Pompey, Salome attempted to have Herod ousted in favour of her grandsons, finally "Herod the Great," had Mariamne, her brother and her two sons, plus her mother and grandfather all killed, although one of Mariamne"s grandsons, "Herod Agrippa 1" survived to rule in Palestine from about the late 41 AD to 44 AD.

According to the Encyclopedia Britt, "Philip of Bethdaida, the son of "Herod the Great" was born in 20 BC of a young Jewess by the name of "Cleopatra" (A Macedonian name) not Cleopatra the Queen of Egypt who in 40 BC, gave birth to her twins Cleopatra Selena and Alexandra Helios (Heli), the children of Mark Antony the Macedonian.

Cleopatra Selena would have been about 20 years of age at the time of the birth of Philip who was about 14/15 years older than "Jesus" who was born around 6 BC as the grandson of Alexander Helios [Heli,] and the son of Mary from the tribe of Levi, whose aunty Elizabeth, were both, the daughters of the house of Levi.

Philip was given control of southern Lebanon and modern Syria, to the east of the Lake Galilee, and Philip was a model ruler of whom almost nothing is known except for the fact that he ruled (throughout the life of Jesus) the district in which Jesus spent much of his ministerial time and in which he worked most of his miracles. Matthew 11: 20-21, "The people in the towns where Jesus performed MOST of his MIGHTY MIRACLES," did not turn from their sins, so he reproached those towns on the eastern side of the lake, "How terrible it will be for you, Chorazin! How terrible for you too, Bethsaida etc."

It was outside the walls of "Bethsaida Julias" that had been rebuilt by Philip, that Jesus healed a blind man, See Mark 8: 22-26. It was in Caesarea Philippi, which according to Luke in Acts 16: 12; was the chief city in that part of Macedonia, a city rebuilt by Philip, (PHILIP, is a Macedonian name) that Jesus asked his disciples "who people were saying he was." It was in this district that Philip from Bethsaida played a part in the multiplication of the loaves and the fishes, and in medieval art Philips symbol was loaves, See John 6: 1-7 where Jesus puts Philip to the test.

The last Testament of Herod the Great which was approved by Augustus, provided that Archelaus receive ruler ship of Judea, with Philip and Antipas ruling two of the remaining tetrarch"s.

When returning from Egypt with his wife Mary and her child Jesus after the death of Herod the Great, Joseph wanted to live in the land of Judaea rather than to return to their home in Nazareth near Bethlehem of Galilee, which town today, is called "Beithlahm," and is only a few kilometres from Sepphorus, which towns suffered extensive damage in the great riots of 4BC, which was the same year in which Herod died after a failed suicide attempt, (Which suicide I believe,) was at the command of Caesar, because of the riots that he caused in the territory around Bethlehem/Beitlahm, Nazareth and Sepphorus, in which so many families were murdered and others removed to Rome where they were sold as slaves. Those riots occurred immediately after the parents of the young, "one to two" year old Jesus were warned to flee from their home in Nazareth into Egypt.

The reason why Joseph, who, after the death of Herod the Great, wanted to live in Judea and yet was afraid to live there, was because Herod"s son, the cruel, depraved, and despised Herod Archelaus was ruling there. For this reason they returned to Nazareth in Galilee. Archelaus was later recalled to Rome and banished because he had antagonized the entire population of Judea and Samaria. Judea then became a Roman province and the Herod who was in Jerusalem at the time of Passover when Jesus was being tried by Pontius Pilate, was Herod Antipas who ruled from Sepphorus and Jericho, and was the Herod who had John the Baptist beheaded at the request of Herodias the wife of Philip and mother of Philip"s daughter.
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12/1/2016 8:13:37 PM
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In 34 AD, shortly after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, Philip"s reign came to an abrupt end. Philip of Bethsaida simply vanishes from the pages of history, and in 36 AD, Herod Agrippa I, the grandson of Herod the Great and nephew of Philip and Antipas, received the tetrarch of the Macedonian district of Batanaera and Trachonitis to the east of the sea of Galilee, formerly held by his uncle Philip. When Herod Antipas and Herodias tried to discredit Agrippa I, who was in favour with the Emperor Caligula, they themselves were banished, Antipas" tetrarch passing on to Agrippa 1 in AD 39. Then in 41 AD and after the assassination of Caligula, Agrippa"s support for Claudius was rewarded with the government of Judea, which had, since the banishment of Herod Archelaus, been ruled by Roman procurators for about 30 years. It was this Herod who enjoyed the support and adoration of the Jewish authorities, who did all in his power to crush the infant Jewish Apostolic Church.

It was he who executed James, the son Zebedee whose mother, is believed to have been named Salome, a sister of Jesus, and a close friend of Joanna the wife of Chuza, Herod"s minister of finances, who was one of the women who supported Jesus using their own resources. And Agrippa would have killed Peter also, had he not have escaped from prison. Agrippa"s sudden death in 44 AD is recorded in Acts 12: 21-23.
Bethsaida on the eastern side of the Jordan in the old Macedonian territory where it enters Lake Galilee, was the birth place of Peter and his brother Andrew, who was a close friend of Philip, who with Andrew, were the two men to who John the Baptist pointed out his cousin Jesus as the one whom the "LIGHT of MAN" had chosen as the man through who he would reveal himself to the world; the man that he had promised Moses that he would in the future, raise up from among the Israelites, the one who would come in the name of the Lord "Who I Am" and speak only that which he was commanded to say by "Who I Am" the Omega [The Son of Man] and the Most High in the creation.

Deuteronomy 18: 18; The Lord says to Moses----"I will send them a prophet just like you from among their own people; I will tell him what to say, and he will tell the people everything that I command him to say. He will speak in my name."

Did the people of his day believe that he was some God who had been born of a virgin? Of course not, the Jews who lived in the day of Jesus, knew that God had said to Moses that he would choose a man from among the Israelites and send him to speak in his name, and Peter in Acts 3: 22; verified that man to be Jesus the son of Mary, Plus the people of his day knew that he was the man that God had chosen from among the Israelites and sent to speak in his name, when on his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, they cried out: "BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD."
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12/2/2016 11:11:42 AM
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Knowing that the atheists, who appear to be the majority on this forum, are totally Ignorant to the scriptures that they attack and also the history surrounding the man Jesus, it would be remiss of me to leave them stumbling around in the darkness of their ignorance.

The Ancestors of Jesus in First and Second Century Judea BCE
By Robert Mock M.D.
December 2007
Book One
Chapter Two
This young maiden, Miriam, was a child of sorrow. Her father, Heli, a Davidic and Hasmonean prince, called Alexander Helios III", was apparently executed, in the world where many Davidian aspirants, as the "young lions of Judah", were eliminated by the cruel and tyrannical King Herod the Great., Etc.

A son of the famous Boethus family of seven sons, Mary"s great-great-great grandfather, arrived into Jewish history as one of the giants of the priests of the House of Zadok. The High Priest Hananeel (Ananelus) the Egyptian/Jew was privileged to sacrifice one of the nine red heifers before the temple of Herod was destroyed in 70 AD.

The great grandfather of the biblical Jesus was Yehoshua/Jesus III, who was the high priest in Jerusalem from 36 to 23 BC. The sonless Yehoshua, had three elderly daughters, Joanna, Elizabeth and Anna/Hanna, whose mother was "Phanul" from the tribe of Asher.

Knowing that his Zadokian lineage would become extinct unless his daughters were placed with future husbands according to the Torah, he married them off to chosen husbands.

Joanna, was betrothed to Joachim from the non-royal genetic lineage of David. The second daughter of Yehoshua III, was Elizabeth. This was the Elizabeth, who, at a very advanced age was to become the mother of John the Baptist in 7 BC, some 16 years after the death of her father in 23 BC, and she was betrothed to a Levite priest by the name Zacharias of the priestly course of Abijah.

Hanna/Anna, the third daughter, was betrothed to Alexander Helios (Heli) a young Macedonian Jew, of the tribe of Judah through Nathan the Levite, who was the stepson of King David. Alexander Helios [Heli] is thought by some, to be the twin brother of Herod"s young Jewish wife Cleopatra, a Macedonian Jewess, perhaps the twin children of Queen Cleopatra and Mark Antony, who were adopted out when their parents committed suicide after losing their war against Caesar Augustus.
Alexander Helios=Heli, the biological grand-father of Jesus, according to the genealogy of Jesus as recorded in Luke, was a descendant of Nathan the prophet who was the biological son of Bathsheba and Uriah the Hittite.

Uriah became a member of the tribe of Levi by his marriage to Bathsheba the daughter of Ammiel, the son of Oded-Edom, who was a descendant of Moses from the house of Levi, by his second wife Jepunniah an Ethiopian woman, [See Numbers 12: 1; KJV] who was the widow of a man from the tribe of Judah, and the mother of Caleb, who, at the age of forty, became the adopted son of Moses, and Jepunniah was the daughter of Hobab the Kennite, one of the two fathers-in-law to Moses, [See Judges 4: 11.]"

The Talmud states, "Whoever brings up an orphan in his home is regarded...as though the child had been born to him." (Sanhedrin 119b)." In other words, the adopted child is to be treated as a child born to the father of that house,"which means, that Heli and his descendants, who were born from the genetic line of Nathan "the prophet," who was the adopted son of King David, were legitimate heirs to King David. But the prophesied Messiah had to come through the line of Solomon.
Heli and his descendants only became heirs to the throne of David, through Nathan the adopted son of King David, when Naria, a descendant of Nathan, married Tamar, a female descendant of King Solomon, who bore to Naria a son by the name "Salathiel." After the death of Naria, Tamar was taken to wife by King Jeconiah, whose only son with Tamar, was Zedekiah who died prematurely in Childhood.

According to Torah law, Nathan the adopted son of King David and his descendants, were legitimate heirs of King David, but not in the ancestral line of the promised Messiah, who was to be born of the seed of Solomon, until Naria the descendant of Nathan coupled with Tamah the descendant of Solomon, to produce Salathiel the ancestor of Jesus, who has been made High Priest (From the tribe of Levi=Nathan) and King (From the tribe of Judah=Solomon) in the order of Melchizedek.

David Hughes the noted"Genealogist of the Ancient World Lineages, states that King Jeconiah"s only son, with"Queen Tamar,""Prince Zedekiah,""died prematurely"in"childhood, and"in"586 BCE" King Zedekiah, the"last king of Israel, was taken prisoner and"his"sons"were"executed"in"front of his eyes, after which, his"eyes"were"gouged out,"and there"he remained blinded"in"exile"for the rest of his life and it"appeared"that the"entire royal lineage of King David"through"God"s chosen son, King Solomon,"had"been exterminated."

With all"the"known direct lineages"of"male heirs"to the"lineage of King Solomon the son of King David"and Bathsheba"now"extinct,"Queen Tamar II"became"the"dynastic heiress preserving"not only the Lineage of King Solomon,"but"also became"the"inter-dynastic link, or the"vital crossover heiress merging"the"non-royal Nathan lineage"with the"royal lineages of King Solomon."With"the"addition of Tamar representing"the"mainline descendants of King David, we now can"understand the linkage"between the"two prime royal"and"non-royal lineages"to the"ancestry of the Jewish Messiah"Yehoshua ben Yosef (Jesus son of Joseph the son of Alexander Helios a descendant of Nathan)."

Jesus carried in his genes the potent fusion of Davidian and Zadokian bloodlines." He carried the potent bloodline of the royal mantle as a Priest-King of Israel and the messianic mantle as the Maschiach Yisra"el (Messiah of Israel) of the House of David.
Hebrew 5: 10; "And God declared him (Jesus) to be high priest according to the priestly order of Melchizedek." Melchizedek held the titles of both King and high priest. Hebrew 5: 5; "In the same way, Christ did not take upon himself the honor of being high priest. Instead, God said to him, "You are my Son; TODAY I have become your Father.""

Jesus the grandson of Alexander Helios was called God, the son of God, King of kings, etc, which was not unusual in those days. Originally, Cleopatra ruled with her father Ptolemy XIII Auleted and later with her brothers, Ptolemy XIII and Ptolemy XIV, whom she married as per Egyptian custom, but eventually she became sole ruler.

No children were born from her union with her two brothers, but she did bear a son [Caesarion] to Julius Caesar, who was later elevated to co-ruler in name only.
Cleopatra represented herself as the reincarnation of the Egyptian goddess "Isis", and was given the title of "Queen of Kings" by Mark Anthony. Her son "Caesarion" was also given many titles, including "god", "Son of god" and "King of Kings" and was depicted as Horus the son of Isis. It was after the assassination of Caesar in 44 BC, that Cleopatra coupled up with Mark Anthony and in 40 BC she bore to him the twins Cleopatra Selene II and Alexander Helios, and later on another son, Ptolemy Philadelphus.
In late 34 BC, at the Donations of Alexandria, shortly after Anthony had conquered Armenia, Cleopatra and Caesarion were crowned rulers of Egypt and Cyprus.

Alexander Helios, their six-year-old son, was crowned ruler of Aemenia, Media and Parthia; Cleopatra Selene II, Heli"s six-year-old twin sister, was crowned ruler of Cyrenaica and Libya, and Ptolemy Philadelphus, the younger of their three children was crowned ruler of Phoenicia, Syria and Cilicia.
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12/2/2016 11:20:02 AM
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Isis was the most popular goddess from the time of Psamtik 1 (663-610 B.C) till the coming of Christianity, her cult appealed to the Greeks and Romans alike and when Egypt came under Roman rule, her cult spread through much of Europe. By the time of Jesus, the chief centre of her worship was in Rome. Isis is commonly depicted with Horus the child (Harpocrates) on her lap, and today, it is impossible to distinguish between the late pagan and early Christian figures of the mother and child, [Isis and Horus---Mary and Jesus] it"s almost as though the old Pagan Queen was stripped of her garments and clothed with the new covering of Christianity.

It appears that Alexander Helios=Heli, had previously sired a son, by another woman, which son, we know by the name "Joseph from Cyprus," and Heli was to later sire the child Mary to Hanna the daughter of the high priest Yehoshua III around 20 BC, before he [Heli] was murdered in 13 BC, by order of Herod the Great, in the pogroms which saw the demise of many of the heirs to David"s throne.

This means that the elderly Hanna, the mother of Mary, had been a widow for seven years when Jesus was born in 6 BC to the 14 year-old Mary and her half-brother, who would have only been a year or two older than Mary, this was about 2 years before the death of Herod the Great in the spring of 4 BC, shortly after he had ordered the death of all the male children in the district of Beitlahm=Bethlehem of Galilee, who were two years and below.

In those days, there was a small town about 2 kilometres from Nazareth, called Bethlehem of Galilee, today that town is known as Beitlahm.

It is said that after the death of her father, Alexander Helios=Heli, "who was a father of renowned," the seven-year-old Mary [who is believed to be the grand-daughter of Mark Antony] was removed from her mother and taken north into the land of Galilee where she was raised under the protection of the Jewish zealots whose aim it was, to throw off the yoke of Roman rule and establish a descendant of King David, back on the throne of Israel."

There are those who believe that the union between Mary, the daughter of Alexander Helios, with her half-brother Joseph the son of Heli, from which union the child Jesus was born, was arranged by the Zealots, as it was the custom in those days for the female heir to the throne, (Mary, the daughter of Alexander Helios,) to unite with their brother, as Cleopatra and all female heirs had done before her.

But because Joseph the son of Alexander Helios and any male offspring of his, would have been seen as a threat to the throne of Herod the Great as was his father: the biological father of Jesus had to remain hidden, and for the safety of the child, the pregnant Mary, was married off to Joseph the son of Jacob, a descendant of the cursed genetic line of King Jehoiachin.

Herod"s chief advisors, would not have seen Jesus the son of Mary as a threat to his throne, because Mary, who was already pregnant to her half-brother "Joseph the son of Alexander Helios," was taken to wife by Joseph the son of Jacob from the tribe of Judah. This Joseph ben Jacob, who married the already pregnant Mary and who was only the step-father of Jesus, was a descendant of Solomon through the cursed line of Jehoiachin, of whom we read in Jeremiah 22: 30; "This man is condemned to lose his children, to be a man who will never succeed. He will have no descendants who will rule in Judah as David"s successor. I, the Lord, have spoken." This rules out the hope of any son of Joseph ben Jacob ever sitting on the throne of David, whereas Jesus the son of Joseph ben Heli=Alexander Helios was a legitimate successor to that throne.
Jehoshua III, the High Priest until 23 BC, is supposed to have died three years before the birth of his grand-daughter "Mary." If it was his death that ended his period as high priest in Jerusalem in the year of 23 BC, this would mean that Mary was born in 20 BC, the same year as Philip the son of Herod and his young Jewess wife, "Cleopatra."

Therefore, Mary would have been 7 years old when her father Heli died in 13 BC, and 14 years old when she gave birth to Jesus, who was born in 6 BC, two years before the death of Herod the Great in 4 BC, making Mary about 47 years old when Jesus, the first of her three biological sons, was crucified.
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12/2/2016 12:55:17 PM
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Find me a historian anywhere who is willing to attest to the historicity of the alleged miracles performed by the alleged Jesus and we may have a basis for discussing this mythical Jesus.
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12/3/2016 3:05:48 AM
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At 12/2/2016 12:55:17 PM, bulproof wrote:
Find me a historian anywhere who is willing to attest to the historicity of the alleged miracles performed by the alleged Jesus and we may have a basis for discussing this mythical Jesus.

Go and ask a few Christian Historians yourself, then when you return we may have a basis for discussing the man Jesus.
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12/3/2016 5:57:41 AM
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At 12/3/2016 3:05:48 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/2/2016 12:55:17 PM, bulproof wrote:
Find me a historian anywhere who is willing to attest to the historicity of the alleged miracles performed by the alleged Jesus and we may have a basis for discussing this mythical Jesus.

Go and ask a few Christian Historians yourself, then when you return we may have a basis for discussing the man Jesus.
That's right you can't, instead you try to present your unsubstantiated claims as fact.
Sorry, not how it works.
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12/3/2016 6:24:28 AM
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At 12/3/2016 5:57:41 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/3/2016 3:05:48 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/2/2016 12:55:17 PM, bulproof wrote:
Find me a historian anywhere who is willing to attest to the historicity of the alleged miracles performed by the alleged Jesus and we may have a basis for discussing this mythical Jesus.

Go and ask a few Christian Historians yourself, then when you return we may have a basis for discussing the man Jesus.
That's right you can't,

I could if I wanted to matey, there has to be thousands of Christian historians out there, but why should I have to do the leg work for a lazy atheist?

instead you try to present your unsubstantiated claims as fact.
Sorry, not how it works.

If you think for one moment that there is not a christian historian anywhere who is willing to attest to the historicity of the miracles performed by Jesus, then you certainly haven't got all your kangaroos in the top paddock.

There's not much sense asking a godless atheist though, is there?
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12/3/2016 9:56:01 AM
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When there isn't enough information the too few facts you have will fit any number of theories. If x+y=21 then no one can prove the answers must be 6 and 15 and not,say, 2 and 19.

No one can prove that Jesus did or didn;t perform miracles - no one can even prove if he even existed or not. There isn't enough information to prove things either way. All that is possible is to make a 'best guess', or argue about what seems most likely.

Jesus could do miracles because he was the son of God fits the facts, but so does the idea that the miracles are just made up stories, because the only actual fact we have is "they are described in the Gospels". All else is speculation.

So best of luck you two trying to convert each other.
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12/3/2016 9:58:57 AM
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At 12/3/2016 6:24:28 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/3/2016 5:57:41 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/3/2016 3:05:48 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/2/2016 12:55:17 PM, bulproof wrote:
Find me a historian anywhere who is willing to attest to the historicity of the alleged miracles performed by the alleged Jesus and we may have a basis for discussing this mythical Jesus.

Go and ask a few Christian Historians yourself, then when you return we may have a basis for discussing the man Jesus.
That's right you can't,

I could if I wanted to matey, there has to be thousands of Christian historians out there, but why should I have to do the leg work for a lazy atheist?

instead you try to present your unsubstantiated claims as fact.
Sorry, not how it works.

If you think for one moment that there is not a christian historian anywhere who is willing to attest to the historicity of the miracles performed by Jesus, then you certainly haven't got all your kangaroos in the top paddock.

There's not much sense asking a godless atheist though, is there?
`" There's not much sense asking a godless athiest". Your christian historian will say, what?. Jesus Christ didn't exist and my studies are all a sham?. Such causality is beneath you and I choose to blame over indulgence in the amber nectar( I suggest you saddle a kangaroo and go somewhere and sleep it off ). The real or mythic life of Christ is immaterial. What has been done in His name since his death is, literally, debateable.
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12/3/2016 10:40:29 AM
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At 12/3/2016 9:58:57 AM, GrimlyF wrote: " There's not much sense asking a godless athiest".


Agreed! They believe in neither God or the man Jesus, so they cannot attest to the miracles that were performed by God though his servant Jesus.

Your christian historian will say, what?. Jesus Christ didn't exist and my studies are all a sham?


You wish youngen. But no, a good Christian historian who believes in the Father and his chosen son Jesus, would assuredly attest to the miracles that were performed.

Such causality is beneath you and I choose to blame over indulgence in the amber nectar( I suggest you saddle a kangaroo and go somewhere and sleep it off ). The real or mythic life of Christ is immaterial. What has been done in His name since his death is, literally, debateable.


As you are totally ignorant to the scriptures that you attack, You may blame anything you wish to, on your inability to comprehend the truth that has been revealed.
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